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    Quote Originally Posted by CB22 View Post
    I think it's the other way around. I'm pretty sure when ARod joined the Yanks, he was using the P72 for a spell. BMH can, of course, confirm.

    Yes, Arod started to order the P72 exactly like Jeter. In fact Jeter would complain we gave better wood to Arod though we would run 48 bats and just split them into two orders for the both of them.

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    Have you ever considered boning like Chandler?

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    Have any guys here had experience with Beaver Bat Co.?

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    I believe they did change their position this past year, at least for the smaller guys, a memo was sent out prior to the 2014 season addressing the manufacturing process and the compression/boning issue. It's not a "round" bat when it's compressed like that.
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    Anyone have a picture of a bat from the year or two when Louisville placed in huge writing "LOUISVILLE" on the opposite side of the barrel? I remember Rickey Henderson in 1989 WS using a black bat with that written on the barrel. Can't find a pic for the life of me..BMH, why did you guys do that and why you get rid of it? My guess is MLB or another bat company complained about the branding

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmflores9 View Post
    I believe they did change their position this past year, at least for the smaller guys, a memo was sent out prior to the 2014 season addressing the manufacturing process and the compression/boning issue. It's not a "round" bat when it's compressed like that.
    I thought zboehmer's question was "has MLB changed their position on allowing manufacturer's to bone rub bats." So my answer was no they have not changed. I might have read it wrong. You are correct in stating they only want a "round" bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danabaseball View Post
    Anyone have a picture of a bat from the year or two when Louisville placed in huge writing "LOUISVILLE" on the opposite side of the barrel? I remember Rickey Henderson in 1989 WS using a black bat with that written on the barrel. Can't find a pic for the life of me..BMH, why did you guys do that and why you get rid of it? My guess is MLB or another bat company complained about the branding

    It was in response to Worth and Rawlings putting bigger and bigger ovals on their bats. So we put "LOUISVILLE" down the backside of the barrel. During the winter meetings that year is when MLB started enforcing the logo size and placement rules...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMH View Post
    It was in response to Worth and Rawlings putting bigger and bigger ovals on their bats. So we put "LOUISVILLE" down the backside of the barrel. During the winter meetings that year is when MLB started enforcing the logo size and placement rules...
    Rickey in 89 world series

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    Quote Originally Posted by danabaseball View Post
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    Rickey in 89 world series
    I'm surprised that Rickey didn't spray paint "RICKEY" in huge letters on his bats and down his pant legs...
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    That thing looks like a softball bat.
    See ball, hit ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude Paskert View Post
    I'm surprised that Rickey didn't spray paint "RICKEY" in huge letters on his bats and down his pant legs...
    Rickey says rickey doesn't like people bad mouthing him!! haha! i always was amused by how he used himself in the third person when dealing with the media. wacky genius of baseball. and since discussing him, what was his usuL model? T141?

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    Brian, BMH, thank you for all your time on this thread. Somehow I've overlooked this thread in my three years on this site. A fascinating read, and I hope LS keeps going for another 100+ years.
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    If you haven' tried a hickory bat, you should and find out why they will out-perform maple, ash, beech, etc. Hard and dense wood make a superior wood bat with more pop than the aforementioned woods. Hickory was swung by the old-timers long before maple. There is much data and research by knowledgeable experts to support the fact that a wood that is harder and denser will produce superior results in hitting baseballs. You won't see hickory bats flying apart like the maple bats of today are prone to do.

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    i hit with a hickory bat couple years ago that thing was a beast. 34" 38oz. i think the only issue with hickory is the weight. hard to get around on 90+ with it. does anybody currently sell hickory bats, i like to get one.

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    I have a MINE Bat that is a "fusion" of European Beech and Oak. The ball really hops off that sucker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baseballmechanic View Post
    i hit with a hickory bat couple years ago that thing was a beast. 34" 38oz. i think the only issue with hickory is the weight. hard to get around on 90+ with it. does anybody currently sell hickory bats, i like to get one.
    I still have a couple of Hoosier composite bats that have an ash handle, hickory barrel, and a light wood cap (don't remember the species). Still very heavy with the hickory and I didn't like them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baseballmechanic View Post
    i hit with a hickory bat couple years ago that thing was a beast. 34" 38oz. i think the only issue with hickory is the weight. hard to get around on 90+ with it. does anybody currently sell hickory bats, i like to get one.
    I bought a 33/31 hickory and most of my choices were -1 to -3. New method of drying the hickory can bring it in lighter than the length. My team used it in a couple of wood tournaments and it was a beast. Now they are getting their own from the rep I talked to at East Cobb. I think he was from Indiana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnyfootball View Post
    I bought a 33/31 hickory and most of my choices were -1 to -3. New method of drying the hickory can bring it in lighter than the length. My team used it in a couple of wood tournaments and it was a beast. Now they are getting their own from the rep I talked to at East Cobb. I think he was from Indiana.
    what company was the bat from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnyfootball View Post
    If you haven' tried a hickory bat, you should and find out why they will out-perform maple, ash, beech, etc. Hard and dense wood make a superior wood bat with more pop than the aforementioned woods. Hickory was swung by the old-timers long before maple. There is much data and research by knowledgeable experts to support the fact that a wood that is harder and denser will produce superior results in hitting baseballs. You won't see hickory bats flying apart like the maple bats of today are prone to do.
    Hey Johnny, I agree with you about hickory. But, hickory produces better performance not for the reasons you probably think. It is not from the hardness of the hitting surface. All wood bats are just dead mass and have no trampoline effect, so wood species makes no difference at the contact point. The reason that hickory is superior is that it is much stiffer due to it's strength and density. This comes into play when you hit away from the sweet spot. When you hit away from the sweet spot (which most hits are) then the more flexible the bat is, the more energy from the bat/ball collision gets absorbed by the bat in the form of vibration. When you miss and your hands get stung, that is the energy that didn't go into the ball.
    The downside to true hickory is that along with that strength and density comes a lot of weight. I spent a couple of years full time trying to solve the "breaking bat" problem and finally came up with the Powerwood bat I invented and have two patents on. It is all wood but laminated in a unique way that allows the use of hickory where you need it and provide the durability and performance, in the handle. It transitions to another wood in the barrel so that it has a normal swingweight. We are currently using a birch in the barrel but have been testing a special hardwood that we are transitioning to that only grows near the coast of northern Calif, Oregon and Washington. Equal or better hardness of maple but better weight density for our bat. I'm pretty stoked about this new wood. Our customers notice the performance difference but we also proved it in the lab. You can see the performance charts on our site at MacDougallBats.com
    The reason that everyone things maple has more "pop" than ash is not due to the hardness of the wood at the contact point, even though that is the perception. Since maple is harder and denser, it is stiffer in the handle for an equivalent turning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnyfootball View Post
    I bought a 33/31 hickory and most of my choices were -1 to -3. New method of drying the hickory can bring it in lighter than the length. My team used it in a couple of wood tournaments and it was a beast. Now they are getting their own from the rep I talked to at East Cobb. I think he was from Indiana.
    If they are getting a hickory bat down to -1 to -3, then they are not using true hickory and I don't care how dry they get it. I use primarily Pignut hickory which is about the strongest and most available of the true hickories and it gets down to about 4% MC in my shop. It would never produce a bat that light. It is much more likely that what you are getting is a Pecan Hickory which is much less dense, much less strong and not a true hickory. Many regular lumber yards mix the two and do not differentiate between species.

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    The bat has lasted through more than 20 games with multiple players using it and the other players using their hickory have not had a broken bat. The bat is made from pignut hickory as is the other players bats. Mine currently weighs 30.7 ounces. Pig, shag, and shell are the best hickory to use and you are correct that pig is the best of the 4 hickory species. My bat is not pecan, it wouldn't hit and stand up like it has. Pecan wood makes good fungo bats and coaches rave about them. Sorry to contradict you theory about hickory but if this hickory was at 4%, it would have cracked by now and if it was pecan, it would not hit like it has. It even sounds different than other bats used in games. I disagree with you statement that wood species make no difference at the contact point or you could use any lighter wood for bats. You are correct in saying that hickory bats have a bigger sweet spot than other woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnyfootball View Post
    The bat has lasted through more than 20 games with multiple players using it and the other players using their hickory have not had a broken bat. The bat is made from pignut hickory as is the other players bats. Mine currently weighs 30.7 ounces. Pig, shag, and shell are the best hickory to use and you are correct that pig is the best of the 4 hickory species. My bat is not pecan, it wouldn't hit and stand up like it has. Pecan wood makes good fungo bats and coaches rave about them. Sorry to contradict you theory about hickory but if this hickory was at 4%, it would have cracked by now and if it was pecan, it would not hit like it has. It even sounds different than other bats used in games. I disagree with you statement that wood species make no difference at the contact point or you could use any lighter wood for bats. You are correct in saying that hickory bats have a bigger sweet spot than other woods.
    Hey Johnny, Not sure what to say about the hickory weight. I get mine from a mill in Pennsylvania that provides and sorts to my specs. It is all about 20% heavier than sugar maple so it's hard to imagine how they could get a -2. If that is the case then I'm surprised a lot of batmakers aren't using hickory.
    With regard to species at contact point, that's just physics. Prof. Alan Nathan has a great site. Google "physics of baseball". There are links there to other great sites as well. Alan provided some great help when I was developing my bat. Lots of cool stuff there.

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    Hickory

    Quote Originally Posted by Batman53 View Post
    Hey Johnny, Not sure what to say about the hickory weight. I get mine from a mill in Pennsylvania that provides and sorts to my specs. It is all about 20% heavier than sugar maple so it's hard to imagine how they could get a -2. If that is the case then I'm surprised a lot of batmakers aren't using hickory.
    With regard to species at contact point, that's just physics. Prof. Alan Nathan has a great site. Google "physics of baseball". There are links there to other great sites as well. Alan provided some great help when I was developing my bat. Lots of cool stuff there.
    Have read most of Nathan's research and spoke to him on the phone. As you well know, not all maple is created equal and this holds true for hickory as well. A billet weight of 80 to 86 is needed to cut a drop bat. A high 90's weight will be close to even or maybe a +1. Some players prefer the slightly heavier bat because of the longevity factor. Not many bat manufactures are cutting hickory bats because the hickory they are using is too dense and heavy to make a decent bat. A wood study from 2012 that was accepted by U. of Mass and prepared with the help of James Sherwood had as part of their conclusion that "Bat durability increases with increasing wood density." It goes on to state, "Three conditions were considered during testing: bat model, weight, and wood species. These tests were able to investigate the effect of density on breakage speed of a pitched ball." Since maple is a diffuse porous wood, you can have varying weights and strength. The durability of hickory is probably the one factor that players really like about the bats.

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    It really depends on the turning mode and length to get lighter weights with hickory. If your turning C271's you can get 34/31's, not so much with the C243. One of our most famous bats is hickory though it's like 35/38.

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    I have seen reports that claim Ruth used hickory bats that weighed as much as 54 ounces but that was a different era. These hickory bats are cut in profiles mostly with 2.50 inch barrels with the 271 being the most popular.

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