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    Tim Cullen

    It would be great if the WHBS could arrange another reunion. They're alot of fun. Fred Valentine was at a previous reunion but I'm not sure where he lives. The organizers of the reunion said that the seats at Cullen's table were already filled. I do have a picture,shaking hands with him on my wall. I also have one of him sitting on the dugout steps with his two small children,both in little senators uniforms. If you saw Timmy hit a homer,it was a rare occurence! I have a game on tape when he hit a homer but It's not the same as your experience.
    As far as retiring,he said that he learned to hit while with Oakland's AAA team at the beginning of the 1972 season. He did fairly well when they brought him up but received an offer to work for Dean Witter as a securities trader,which was his off season job. It was too good to pass up so he retired. He lives in the San Francisco area(too far away!). He's a very nice guy.
    You're lucky to have a wife that likes Baseball TB! It's always nice meeting new Senators fans! There are some very knowledgable ones here.







    Quote Originally Posted by Timbones
    JohnG,
    Thanks for the info. Maybe they should consider a winter meeting and ask Frank Howard to come. Since he is still in the area, it might be something he'd really like to do and maybe his schedule is lighter in the winter. Doesn't Fred Valentine live nearby too?
    JohnG, Can't imagine why they would not let you sit with Tim Cullen. I saw him hit a home run once if my memory is reliable. I think it was to straight away center, must have been 1967. Say, why was he gone by 1972, was he injured? Glad your girlfriend gives you some space for souvenirs. My wife is a big Nationals fan but can't connect with my interest in the Senators, since she wasn't in D.C. then.
    Aa3rt, Good to know your wife is supportive too. It's great to "connect" with you guys!

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    Players had so much class from that era. They werent like many of the spoiled millionaires we have today, tho in fairness theres still a lot of classy players in the game. Still it was a different time and player/fan relations were much better. Back then my Dad used to get a lot of pro-sports players in the AmVets bar he ran. They liked it because the beer was real cold, the TV was well situated, and they liked the pool table. Imagine that now?

    Ive had the pleasure to see Frank Howard play on several occasions. He was a very exciting player.

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    Fan Friendly

    I think you may be right WSN. They were more like us when the average salary was around $25,000. Every era is going to have it's share of unfriendly players but that's just like society. I used to wait outside the players entrance after games for autographs(can't believe that my mother was so patient!) when I was about 12 or 13 and my memories of the majority are very fond. I remember the few that were "not so nice" very vividly to this day. Maybe they just had a bad day.......Jim French,Mike Epstein,Joe Grzenda,Tom Grieve.... Darold Knowles was the best. He'd just tell us to line up and he'd sign everyones. Classy guy! Guys like Howard,Bosman and Coleman rarely came out of that entrance. Most of the visiting players were fine but they had to get on the bus,so they didn't have as much time.
    Your dad had a great job!




    Quote Originally Posted by Whitesoxnut
    Players had so much class from that era. They werent like many of the spoiled millionaires we have today, tho in fairness theres still a lot of classy players in the game. Still it was a different time and player/fan relations were much better. Back then my Dad used to get a lot of pro-sports players in the AmVets bar he ran. They liked it because the beer was real cold, the TV was well situated, and they liked the pool table. Imagine that now?

    Ive had the pleasure to see Frank Howard play on several occasions. He was a very exciting player.

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    Did you know that Frank, a convert to Cathoocism, used to attend Mass and receive Communion EVERY DAY? I'll bet he still does.

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    WSN,
    I have to agree with you. I think we had more "classy" players in Hondo's era than now but I think there will always be a few decent ones that will stand out I hope.

    Hey JohnG. That is interesting about Tim Cullen. I would have thought he would have learned something about hitting from Ted Williams, who seems to have had quite an impact on Senators' hitting in 1969.

    Hi Musial6. I did not know Frank was a convert,(I'm one myself) you can tell he is a very decent fellow, that really shines through, so it has been a good thing for him as far as I can see. I could not get him to say anything critical of George Steinbrenner, I don't think Hondo ever criticized anyone. He is very grateful that Steinbrenner keeps him working at 70, and he really gives off lots of positive feelings in everything he says. Must be very good for him to be around young players in the Yankee organization.

    T.
    Last edited by Timbones; 05-26-2006 at 06:47 AM.

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    Timbones, Frank became a Catholic after meeting his future wife, a Catholic, while he was playing for Green Bay. He will probably die in the odor of sanctity. +Pax tecum.

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    John, I haven't seen him, but he did sign a few baseballs for the people who work at the beer and wine store. I gave one of my friends, the deli manager there, a baseball cube to put the ball in, which he proudly displays.
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    Hondo Autographs

    That's the way we want to remember our childhood heroes.That was very nice of you to do captain. Balls can get messed up pretty easily. About two years ago,I dated a woman that was a big Orioles fan. I had my doubts about that until the first time I went to her house and she pulled out two giant gym bags filled with probably 50 autographed balls! I couldn't bring myself to ask her If I could have the Steve Barber or Gene Brabender balls. Wish I had




    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cold Nose
    John, I haven't seen him, but he did sign a few baseballs for the people who work at the beer and wine store. I gave one of my friends, the deli manager there, a baseball cube to put the ball in, which he proudly displays.

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    If anyone is interested I have several photos of Frank Howard on my website which have never been published anywhere else. They are in the Rangers/Senators gallery. If you're a glutton for punishment there is also one of Frank as a coach for the Brewers in their road blue "pajamas" in the Brewers/Pilots gallery.

    "Steve's Baseball Photography Pages"



    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevesBaseball
    If anyone is interested I have several photos of Frank Howard on my website which have never been published anywhere else. They are in the Rangers/Senators gallery. If you're a glutton for punishment there is also one of Frank as a coach for the Brewers in their road blue "pajamas" in the Brewers/Pilots gallery.

    "Steve's Baseball Photography Pages"



    Steve
    And for you serious Senators fans, if you scroll down the first page there is a picture of Darold Knowles pitching, albeit in an A's uniform. Great pictures.

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    Great Photos

    Welcome Steve. You have quite a collection of great photos. I sent you an E-mail about some of the unidentified Rangers. I couldn't maximize them but I think I recognized a few.



    Quote Originally Posted by StevesBaseball
    If anyone is interested I have several photos of Frank Howard on my website which have never been published anywhere else. They are in the Rangers/Senators gallery. If you're a glutton for punishment there is also one of Frank as a coach for the Brewers in their road blue "pajamas" in the Brewers/Pilots gallery.

    "Steve's Baseball Photography Pages"



    Steve

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    Here's a sneak peak of a brand new Frank photo I received on Thursday. I have two more that I'll post soon.

    Steve
    "Steve's Baseball Photography Pages"

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    Another great photo Steve!

    Thanks once again, any idea what year the photo dates to? Obviously 1969 or later given the red helmet-Frank looks pretty svelte in the photo!
    "For the Washington Senators, the worst time of the year is the baseball season." Roger Kahn

    "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby.

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    Hondo

    I was thinking the same thing about Hondo's physique. He looks great in this picture. Steve has some wonderful,never before seen photos. I always look forward to seeing new ones.

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    Senator pictures

    Here's a good link with a lot Senator pictures all on one page (including the infamous Denny McLain) : http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/al/...s61images.html

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    Nats Site

    Hi TB. This is a great site for all teams histories. Dick Donovan had a great year for the 1961 Senators,leading the league in ERA with just a 10-10 record. Jim King sure didn't look like a professional athlete,did he?
    I have alot of the cards for the red uniformed players. The Toby Harrah card is from 1972,the Rangers first year,so no logo on the cap is shown.The one of Howard at the plate,is a 24" x 36" poster. I have that framed on my living room wall. Notice who's standing next to Denny McLain? The other 1971 disaster story,Curt Flood. Thanks for putting this up for us!




    Quote Originally Posted by Timbones
    Here's a good link with a lot Senator pictures all on one page (including the infamous Denny McLain) : http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/al/...s61images.html

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    Hello JohnG! Nice to hear from you again. Yeah, Jim King looked like he was about 46, funny how the ball players from the 40's and 50's always looked older than they really were. Somehow we got more "baby faced" in the 1970's it seems. Being a kid then though guys like Jim King and Don Lock were our "sluggers" and we just hoped they would tag one! As for Donovan he might have won 15 games that year with a little support. And you can sure see why they called Claude Osteen "Gomer"! Bud Zipfel? For sure I don't remember him. I heard Denny McLain was spotted working as a cashier in a 7-11 in Detroit after he was paroled in 2004. Geez, what a shame!
    I wish I had saved my old cards. I remember having a Lou Piniella in a Hawaii uniform when he played for the Senators' farm team...

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    Yeah, guys, age is a relative thing-"old" is always 20 years older than you. You know it's getting bad when you went to school with younger co-workers parents! Or even worse, you're older than your co-workers parents.

    I guess that was why I followed Dave Winfield's career-he was one of the last major leaguers that was older than me.

    I have the last three years of Topps Senators cards (1969-1971) as well as those infamous 1974 offerings from Topps lettered Washington-National League with the San Diego Padres players depicted.

    The ironic thing is, that after suffering miserable attendance in their first five years of existence, the Padres, after being purchased by Ray Kroc, of McDonald's fame, prior to the 1974 season, finally drew 1 million fans. Courtesy of my very low draft number, I was wearing the uniform of the U. S. Coast Guard at that time, stationed in San Diego, and happened to be in attendance the night they topped the 1 millon mark for the first time. Buried somewhere in my treaures (that the bride calls "crap") is a scorebook and a bumper sticker that reads "1 Million Padre fans-I was there". The irony is that only six months earlier I was rooting for the Padres to come to DC-and still had long hair.

    But I digress-what I wanted to mention was a set of Washington Senators cards in my possession put out by the D. C. Department of Motor Vehicles, Office of Traffic Safety. This set of cards, on yellowish cardboard, with black and white photos, and not very evenly cut includes:

    Joe Foy, Toby Harrah, Paul Casanova, Frank Howard, Tim Cullen, Don Wert, Tom McCraw (last year's Nationals batting coach and holder of the distinction of scoring the very last expansion Senators run), Denny McLain , Elliott Maddox and Dick Bosman.

    Each of these cards has some type of safety reminder-for instance, the Tom Mc Craw card reads, on the back, "Speed on the bases-you win! Speed on the streets-you lose! Play it Safe!"

    I've had these cards for years-this was the first time I've taken them out of their protective plastic bag in many moons.

    Since this thread is about Frank Howard, I suppose it would be fitting if I included the safety reminder on his card as well. It reads:

    "I wait for my pitch in baseball-You wait for your light in traffic. Play it safe!"
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    Hi TB!- I have a Smokey Burgess card from 1965 which must have been his last year. He was 38 but looks at least 50 on the card. I keep this one in a card case. He played in 80 games,hit .280 in 77 At bats with 24 RBI's! He was one of the great pinch hitters of all time.I have a game on CD from 1961 and Donovan beat the Yankees 5-1 on a pinch grand slam by Gene Green. He had won about 7 in a row to even up his record. A young Bud Zipfel played first in that game and they talked about his power and great future! He had won the game the night before with a triple(I think). Maris hit his 43rd homer in that game. King and Lock could only be stars for our Nats!
    Denny McLain totally screwed up his life.I heard a radio clip of an interview with him not long ago. He still says he was innocent of all of the Fraud charges that sent him to prison.
    I have a lou piniella rookie stars card with the Nats. That Hawaii card would be great to still have. Where are all of our old cards now? Somebody has them!



    Quote Originally Posted by Timbones
    Hello JohnG! Nice to hear from you again. Yeah, Jim King looked like he was about 46, funny how the ball players from the 40's and 50's always looked older than they really were. Somehow we got more "baby faced" in the 1970's it seems. Being a kid then though guys like Jim King and Don Lock were our "sluggers" and we just hoped they would tag one! As for Donovan he might have won 15 games that year with a little support. And you can sure see why they called Claude Osteen "Gomer"! Bud Zipfel? For sure I don't remember him. I heard Denny McLain was spotted working as a cashier in a 7-11 in Detroit after he was paroled in 2004. Geez, what a shame!
    I wish I had saved my old cards. I remember having a Lou Piniella in a Hawaii uniform when he played for the Senators' farm team...

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    Hi Aa3rt - Old will always be 20 years older than we are. I had a low draft number too but never got called. I think the war ended about then. I guess it got you that great program,if nothing else! I have a few of those Washington Padres cards too. Dave roberts is one I know I have. Remember that they broadcast a few games on Channel 5 when they thought the team was coming for sure. The Padres were really bad. I remember that a kid named Dwain Anderson was batting third with 0 homers. I thought,"This team is worse than the Nats!".I'll never forget it. I'll have to see if I can find it on Retrosheet.
    I also have those DMV cards! My brother gave them to me framed as gifts but I didn't know they had type on the back. He got them on ebay and was really disappointed in the quality. I'll tell him that yours is yellowish too. I have one from 1970 as well and it has John Roseboro,Epstein,Casanova,Howard,Aurelio Rodriguez,Brinkman,Maddox,Knowles,Lee Maye and Bosman. That's quite an upgrade from the guys on the 1971 card. I'll take them out of the frames and read them. Thanks for bringing these up!




    Quote Originally Posted by Aa3rt
    Yeah, guys, age is a relative thing-"old" is always 20 years older than you. You know it's getting bad when you went to school with younger co-workers parents! Or even worse, you're older than your co-workers parents.

    I guess that was why I followed Dave Winfield's career-he was one of the last major leaguers that was older than me.

    I have the last three years of Topps Senators cards (1969-1971) as well as those infamous 1974 offerings from Topps lettered Washington-National League with the San Diego Padres players depicted.

    The ironic thing is, that after suffering miserable attendance in their first five years of existence, the Padres, after being purchased by Ray Kroc, of McDonald's fame, prior to the 1974 season, finally drew 1 million fans. Courtesy of my very low draft number, I was wearing the uniform of the U. S. Coast Guard at that time, stationed in San Diego, and happened to be in attendance the night they topped the 1 millon mark for the first time. Buried somewhere in my treaures (that the bride calls "crap") is a scorebook and a bumper sticker that reads "1 Million Padre fans-I was there". The irony is that only six months earlier I was rooting for the Padres to come to DC-and still had long hair.

    But I digress-what I wanted to mention was a set of Washington Senators cards in my possession put out by the D. C. Department of Motor Vehicles, Office of Traffic Safety. This set of cards, on yellowish cardboard, with black and white photos, and not very evenly cut includes:

    Joe Foy, Toby Harrah, Paul Casanova, Frank Howard, Tim Cullen, Don Wert, Tom McCraw (last year's Nationals batting coach and holder of the distinction of scoring the very last expansion Senators run), Denny McLain , Elliott Maddox and Dick Bosman.

    Each of these cards has some type of safety reminder-for instance, the Tom Mc Craw card reads, on the back, "Speed on the bases-you win! Speed on the streets-you lose! Play it Safe!"

    I've had these cards for years-this was the first time I've taken them out of their protective plastic bag in many moons.

    Since this thread is about Frank Howard, I suppose it would be fitting if I included the safety reminder on his card as well. It reads:

    "I wait for my pitch in baseball-You wait for your light in traffic. Play it safe!"

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