Imagine a Twenty team league

**ugolini78** · 05-23-2006, 01:29 PM

I know fans of the Dbacks, Reds, and all ten of the D-Ray fans will be mad. But imagine a Premier league. With just twenty teams. I think this idea would not only improve MLB but AAA. You could Expand the PCL and IL to 20 teams each. That way all MLB teams would have two AAA teams, places like Pittsburgh playing Buffalo, Indy, Lousville playing Kansas City and Milwaukee.

Imagine 250 of today's current major leagues playing in AAA.

NEW MLB SUPER League

AL EAST AL WEST NL EAST NL WEST
Yankees Rangers Mets Giants
Red Sox Mariners Braves Dodgers
Blue Jays White Sox Nationals Padres
Tigers Angels Phillies Cardinals
Indians Rockies Cubs Astros

**Astro** · 05-23-2006, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by ugolini78

I know fans of the Dbacks, Reds, and all ten of the D-Ray fans will be mad. But imagine a Premier league. With just twenty teams. I think this idea would not only improve MLB but AAA. You could Expand the PCL and IL to 20 teams each. That way all MLB teams would have two AAA teams, places like Pittsburgh playing Buffalo, Indy, Lousville playing Kansas City and Milwaukee.

Imagine 250 of today's current major leagues playing in AAA.

NEW MLB SUPER League

AL EAST AL WEST NL EAST NL WEST
Yankees Rangers Mets Giants
Red Sox Mariners Braves Dodgers
Blue Jays White Sox Nationals Padres
Tigers Angels Phillies Cardinals
Indians Rockies Cubs Astros

Why keep the Blue Jays?

**ugolini78** · 05-23-2006, 01:37 PM

City of 5 million, Potential 30 M (only team in the country) strong ownership that owns TV station $75 million pay roll. Average attendence, Wealthy city. With the CDN dollar improving, bigger budgets. Thats way.

**Astro** · 05-23-2006, 01:40 PM

So... why get rid of the Diamondbacks then? Or the D-Rays... if theyre the only team in Florida (since I dont see the Marlins listed)

**ugolini78** · 05-23-2006, 01:46 PM

D-rays attendence is horrible, their team is already like a minor leauge team. Ownership issues. Unless MLB gets a real cap the Royals, A's, D-Rays, Marlins, Pirates might as well be Minor league teams. Maybe teams could move up and down from league to leauge. I just think Triple A ball would benefit huge.

**Astro** · 05-23-2006, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by ugolini78

D-rays attendence is horrible, their team is already like a minor leauge team. Ownership issues. Unless MLB gets a real cap the Royals, A's, D-Rays, Marlins, Pirates might as well be Minor league teams. Maybe teams could move up and down from league to leauge. I just think Triple A ball would benefit huge.

In 2-3 years the D-Rays will be contenders... if they were in the NL they would already be contenders

The A's have made the playoffs a lot more often, recently, than the Jays... The Marlins have won 2 World Series titles

**ugolini78** · 05-23-2006, 02:07 PM

Unfortunately its not about wins, it's about money, sure look at the 1994 Expos they were looking good in 2 to 3 yrs down the road but look what happened. The Marlins owners are a joke, Loria is a franchise killer. In 2003 Marlins attendence was 1.3 million (they won the world series that year). If I was subtracting teams they would be first. but you make a good point on D-backs we'll keep them. maybe the Orioles too. Until DC starts winning and their numbers drop. I can live with a 22 team league heck even 24 for is better than 30

**west coast orange and black** · 05-23-2006, 03:12 PM

if it would come down to this --

Mets Giants
Braves Dodgers
Nationals Padres
Cardinals
Cubs Astros --

gimme the braves back in the nl west, where they used to be.

also: kinda interesting that your nl west lost but one team, the arizonans.

**Rose4theHall** · 05-23-2006, 03:23 PM

So you kick out the athletics, an original franchise, for colorado? thats rather insulting.

**Rose4theHall** · 05-23-2006, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by ugolini78

D-rays attendence is horrible, their team is already like a minor leauge team. Ownership issues. Unless MLB gets a real cap the Royals, A's, D-Rays, Marlins, Pirates might as well be Minor league teams. Maybe teams could move up and down from league to leauge. I just think Triple A ball would benefit huge.

You may also want to research this. The a's are far from a "minor league team"

**geezer** · 05-23-2006, 07:03 PM

Eliminate the Devil Rays and the Pirates (sorry abacab and honus wagner rules), the Pirates suck!!!

But for me, I expand to 32 teams MLB, 16 AL 16 NL 4 Division 0 Wild Card, woooo!!!!

**The Dude** · 05-23-2006, 07:24 PM

I'd rather have 32 teams than start subracting teams.

**Knick9** · 05-23-2006, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dudecar00

I'd rather have 32 teams than start subracting teams.

I agree with you. Think about the benefits of having two more teams. Now if I were the commish, I'd elminate the DH and expand the league by two teams, therefore the argument of a shrunken talent pool would very well be tainted. I'd also scrap the idea that the All* game actually counts.

Realistically if it happened:
* 32 teams (16 AL, 16 NL even amount)
* less interleague play (hopefully)
* the wild card would be eliminated if we have 4 divisions per league

To be honest, I don't believe subtracting teams are going to help the situation. You would be alienating numerous markets by contracting their teams. You might lose revenue from those certain areas. I don't think Bud has the will power to run that risk. If anything, constantly relocate teams in the short term. Long term, though, it's going to be expansion one way or the other.

**Buckdodgers** · 05-23-2006, 09:24 PM

Why my Orioles are dropped? Why Keep the nats? Better Start explaning.

**redlegsfan21** · 05-24-2006, 03:18 AM

Do you know how important baseball is to Cincinnati. A city that has had professional baseball since 1869 (except 1881). The Reds also have a strong fanbase even if they don't show it.

**DodgerBlue8188** · 05-24-2006, 07:46 AM

A lot of jobs would be lost if you cut that mean teams. A minor league stadium does not need as many people to run the show than a major league team. Not only will people lose there jobs but vendors would take huge pay cuts too.

When the major leagues only had 20 teams in the past, we didn't have 270 million Americans either. Not to mention we didn't go out to latin american countries to grab talent like we do now either. I know its less talent with 30 teams than 20, but it basically is proportionate with the population.

**geezer** · 05-24-2006, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Knick9

I agree with you. Think about the benefits of having two more teams. Now if I were the commish, I'd elminate the DH and expand the league by two teams, therefore the argument of a shrunken talent pool would very well be tainted. I'd also scrap the idea that the All* game actually counts.

Realistically if it happened:
* 32 teams (16 AL, 16 NL even amount)
* less interleague play (hopefully)
* the wild card would be eliminated if we have 4 divisions per league

To be honest, I don't believe subtracting teams are going to help the situation. You would be alienating numerous markets by contracting their teams. You might lose revenue from those certain areas. I don't think Bud has the will power to run that risk. If anything, constantly relocate teams in the short term. Long term, though, it's going to be expansion one way or the other.

How about ZERO Interleague games

**Sean Casey** · 05-24-2006, 09:50 AM

I think that with the steady increase in foreign-born players, it will eventually become necessary to increase the number of teams rather than cut it down by a third. I'm also a bit confused by your choices for teams to eliminate, because it seems to be based more on recent performance than anything else.

**Knick9** · 05-24-2006, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by geezer

How about ZERO Interleague games

I added in the "(hopefully)" remark because you never know with MLB and their bang for the corporate bucks.

**Kastofsna** · 05-24-2006, 11:34 AM

terrible idea!

**Buckdodgers** · 05-24-2006, 12:05 PM

This would be my 20 team league
AL

Orioles
Yankees
Rangers
A`s
Indians
Red Sox
Tigers
Angels
White Sox
Twins

NL

Mets
Braves
Dodgers
Nationals
Phillies
Cardinals
Dodgers
Cubs
Astros
Giants

No Divisons and Playoffs are 1st & 2nd place will play each other best of 7 for league title.
Add Extra Minor league teams for make up eliminated cities like Class AAAA Ball

**geezer** · 05-24-2006, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Knick9

I added in the "(hopefully)" remark because you never know with MLB and their bang for the corporate bucks.

Interleague will end the day Bud Selig leaves the office and baseball for good, we hope too.

Yankeebiscuitfan · 05-25-2006, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by geezer

Eliminate the Devil Rays and the Pirates (sorry abacab and honus wagner rules), the Pirates suck!!!

But for me, I expand to 32 teams MLB, 16 AL 16 NL 4 Division 0 Wild Card, woooo!!!!

No way. I think that if they would contract, they should recognize historic franchises like Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

And what about their new stadiums? Playing as a AAA team for a crowd of 10,000-15,000, where is room for 40,000-50,000 people. That would be a waste of money.

**geezer** · 05-25-2006, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by yankees rule

No way. I think that if they would contract, they should recognize historic franchises like Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

And what about their new stadiums? Playing as a AAA team for a crowd of 10,000-15,000, where is room for 40,000-50,000 people. That would be a waste of money.

Like the Pirates, for example

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