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    Spotswood Poles

    Brent Posted: October 22, 2005 at 02:11 AM (#1697684)
    Spottswood Poles played four winters in the Cuban League: 1910-11, 1912w, 1913w,
    and 1914-15. (The winter of 1913-14 no North Americans played in Cuba.) Here is
    his record:
    Season Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR SB Avg Slg
    10-11 Fe 26 89 20 32 5 0 0 - .360 .416
    12w Fe 23 86 10 22 1 2 0 11 .256 .314
    13w Fe - 151 40 55 3 8 1 21 .364 .510
    14-15 Fe 14 57 9 13 0 2 0 4 .228 .298
    Total 383 79 122 9 12 1 .319 .413


    Notes:
    During these four years the Cuban League consisted of only three teams. Most
    of the top black American stars of the time played in Cuba at least some of
    those winters.
    1910-11: Poles led league in doubles; was second in average and slugging behind
    Pete Hill.
    1913w: Poles led league in at-bats, runs, hits, triples, and slugging. His team
    (Fe) won the pennant.

    As Gary has reminded us, offensive context is important, so I’ve calculated the
    offensive context from the statistics shown in Figueredo’s Cuban Baseball: A
    Statistical History, 1878-1961. These batting statistics follow Figueredo in
    excluding most pitchers. (Apparently pitchers batting records are included if
    they also played in the field, so the batting records for Méndez and Pedroso are
    included.) In 1910-11 the ball was still quite dead, but it became more lively
    in the following seasons:
    Season Lg Avg Lg Slg
    10-11 .224 .270
    12w .255 .314
    13w .276 .336
    14-15 .266 .313

    Spotswood Poles Data

    Summary of expert rankings

    HF% Career Name-pos (born) BJ – MVP - All-Star
    52% 09-23 Spotswood Poles-CF (1889) #4 cf - 3 - 3*

    Note that his all-star count from Holway is probably too low as Holway did not name an east all-star team in 1909 or 1912, both seasons in which Poles might well have been named.

    From Holway

    1909 – .263 for Philadelphia Giants no ab listed, but 3 teammates listed with 20 and 22 so I estimate 5-19)
    1910 – 14-42 for Phil Giants (his .333 avg. is 4th best in the East); Holway all-star
    1910 – 32-89 (.360) in Cuban Play (2nd best in league; Pete Hill best at .365)
    1911 -- .268 for NY Lincoln Giants (3 teammates listed with 37, 48, and 50 ab, so I estimate 12-45)
    1911 – 22-86 (.258) in Cuban play; HR Johnson wins batting title with .410 clip; Hill is 3rd listed at .284.
    1912 – 12-34 (.308) for NY Lincoln Giants and one game for Brooklyn Royal Giants
    1912 – 0-4 vs. a Giants/Highlanders ML team
    1912 – 55-151 (.364) in Cuban play; wins batting title
    1913 – 39-130 (.300) for NY Lincoln Giants; teammates Johnson and Lloyd hit .382 and .325; Holway all star
    1913 – 10-15 vs. Pete Alexander and Walter Johnson
    1914 -- .481 for NY Lincoln Giants (no ab listed); Holway all star
    1914 – 16-52 (.306) for Lincolns touring Cuba
    1914 – 13-57 (.228) in Cuban play
    1915 -- .255 for NY Lincoln Stars (4 teammates listed with 50, 50, 65, & 79 ab, so I estimate 14-55)
    1915 – 5-13 vs. NY Giants and Philadelphia Phillies
    1916 -- .185 for NY Lincoln Giants (no ab listed)
    1916 – 6-15 in winter ball in Florida
    1917 -- .265 for NY Lincoln Giants (no ab listed)
    1917 – 4-12 vs. Joe Bush all-star team
    1918 – Military Service, earned 5 battle stars and a Purple Heart
    1919 -- .310 for AC Bacharach Giants (no ab listed)
    1919 – 3-12 vs. a mix of ML competition
    1920 – no ba listed in play for NY Lincoln Giants
    1921 – no records listed
    1922 – no ba listed in play for NY Lincoln Giants
    1923 -- .248 for NY Lincoln Giants, but fuller records probably available, as this was first year of Eastern Colored League

    Totals
    102-340 (.300) vs. Black Teams, 1909-1913, 1915, 1916 winter ball
    .297 mean avg. for 10 seasons as regular, 09-17, 19
    138-435 (.317) in Cuban Play (including 4 seasons +1914 Lincolns’ tour)
    22-56 (.393) vs. Major-League competition

    262-831 (.315) grand total

    Holway doesn’t give career totals for Poles

    From Riley
    Poles’ averages vs. all competition for NY Lincoln Giants, 1911-1914
    .440, .398, .414, .487
    lists him as batting over .400 in his career against all competition
    hitting .319 in Cuba (his avg. without the Lincolns’ tour)
    hitting .594 against major-league competition
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    Here's Holway's data on Dick Redding. For each season, I have included Redding's w-l record, his team's w-l record, and runs allowed, when available.

    I'm not certain how I'm going to rank Redding myself, but I am certain that his own w-l record needs to be evaluated in the context of his teams.

    Dick Redding in the Negro Leagues
    1911 5-1, TRA 5.35 for NY Lincoln Giants; team 7-5 or 6-4
    1912 2-2 for NY Lincoln Giants; team 5-4; (other dec. Joe Williams)
    1913 0-0 for NY Lincoln Giants
    1914 4-4 for NY Lincoln Giants; team 15-14 or 14-16 (Joe Williams 6-4)
    1915 6-2 for NY Stars, TRA 2.55; team 10-9; Holway George Stovey Award. All-star
    1916 4-1, 5.59 TRA for NY Lincoln Giants; team 10-9 (Joe Williams 5-6); GSA
    1917 14-5, 1.57 TRA for Chi Am Giants; team 30-7
    1918 2-0 for Bkn Royal Giants; team 5-3; military service
    1919 3-3 for AC Bacharach Giants; team 6-5; military service
    1920 8-7, 3.87 TRA for AC Bacharach Giants; team 12-12; GSA
    1921 15-11, 3.36 TRA for AC Bacharach Giants, team 34-28, 2-0 in playoff vs. Hilldale; 0-2 in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
    1922 9-6, 1.65 TRA for AC Bach Giants; team 20-24; GSA, All-star; 0-1 in WS vs. CAG
    1923 3-2 for Bkn Royal Giants; team 18-18
    1924 1-5 for Bkn Royal Giants; team 12-23 (Joe Williams 3-4)
    1925 2-1 for Bkn Royal Giants; team 16-16
    1926 0-3 for Bkn Royal Giants; team 3-15
    1927 2-5 for Bkn Royal Giants; team 14-26
    1928 2-0 for Bkn Royal Giants; team 3-6
    1929 no data; pitched for Bkn Royal Giants, who were not in ECL
    1930 0-2 for Bkn Royal Giants; team 0-6
    1931 0-1 for Bkn Royal Giants; team 0-7
    1932 no data; pitched for Bkn Royal Giants, who were not in East-West league

    Total 82-61, .573 WP
    Holway’s total, 89-63 (often Holway's own posted career totals don't quite match what I get when I add up the posted seasonal data)

    Teams 218-238, .478 WP
    Teams w/out Redding 136-177, .434 WP

    2. Chris Cobb Posted: October 11, 2004 at 10:52 AM (#909713)
    P.S. GSA = George Stovey Award, Holway's Negro-League Cy Young award

    Dick Redding's Cuban League record (from Jorge Figueredo), also including "American Series" record (games between Cuban teams and barnstorming North American teams):

    1912 Fe 4-8, .333 (team 14-18, .438; w/o Redding, 10-10, .500)
    1912 Lincoln Gts 2-1 (team 4-8; w/o Redding, 2-7)
    1913 Fe 7-2, .778 (team 21-11, .656; w/o Redding, 14-9, .609)
    1914 Lincoln Gts 2-3-1 (team 5-8-1; w/o Redding, 3-5)
    1914-15 Fe 2-6, .250 (team 5-28, .152; w/o Redding, 3-22, .120)
    1915 Indianapolis 6-5, .545 (team 8-11, .421; w/o Redding , 2-6, .250)
    1920 Bacharach Gts 1-1 (team 1-3)
    1920-21 Bacharach Gts 2-6, .250 (team 4-11 , .267; w/o Redding, 2-5, .286)
    1922-23 Habana 3-1, .750 (team 20-22, .476; w/o Redding, 17-21, .447)

    TOTALS 29-33-1, .468 (teams 82-120-1, .406; w/o Redding 53-87, .379)

    DICK REDDING'S PLACEMENT ON NGL CAREER LEADERBOARDS, 1920-1948

    Basically this is the second-half or final two-fifths of Redding's career as I understand it.

    WINS t-65th with 42

    LOSSES t-51st with 43

    DECISIONS t-57th with 85

    WINNING PCT .494
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 85th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 128th
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 191st

    ADJ PCT OF TEAM DECISIONS .287
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 6th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 10th
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 22nd

    WAT 34th at 7.0

    WAT PER DECISION .082
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 26th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 43rd
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 72nd

    YEARLY WINS LEADERBOARDS

    1920 led East in wins with 8, 8th in NgLs.

    1921 led East in wins with 15, t-3rd in NgLs.

    1922 led East in wins with 9.
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    Here's the data I have on Joe Rogan as a hitter/fielder. Pitching data to follow shortly.

    All play for KC Monarchs

    From Holway

    1920 .273; rf
    3-15 vs. major-league competition
    1921 .293; cf
    1922 .439, 18 HR, 13 3B, 41 hr/550 ab; MVP; cf
    0-1 vs. major-league competition (Jack Quinn)
    1923 .355, 43 hr/550 ab; cf
    1924 .409 (led league); MVP; rf
    13-40 in WS vs. Hilldale
    1925 .374, 10 3B; MVP; cf
    10-22 in playoff vs. Stl
    1926 .329; ut
    7-12 in playoff vs. Chicago
    1927 .330; cf (also manager from henceforth)
    1928 .358; ut
    1929 .325; cf
    1930 no data – Riley lists Rogan as “seriously ill”; at the end of this season KC Monarchs disband
    1931 .200; ut – Monarchs reform in August, 1931, according to Riley, with Rogan as manager; Holway has them barnstorming against the white House of David until mid-August, when they began playing black teams
    1932-35 Monarchs not in NeL (barnstorming) Rogan listed as lf in Holway’s 1934-5 rosters
    1935 Rogan goes 1-7 vs. Dizzy Dean all-stars
    1936 .600; ut (in 7 games)
    1937 .410; ut
    0-6 in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
    3-4 vs. Bob Feller all-stars
    1938 .263; ut

    Career
    709-2038, .348, 62 HR according to Holway
    20-54 vs. major-league competition

    mean avg. 1920-29 = .349

    From Riley

    For the seasons 1922-30, Rogan hit .351, .416, .412, .366, .314, .330, .353, .341, .311
    Average vs. ML competition, .329 3. Chris Cobb Posted: November 22, 2004 at 08:32 PM (#978362)
    Joe Rogan Pitching

    All play for KC Monarchs

    From Holway

    1920 10-4; team 45-31, led league with 154 K
    1-1 vs. major league competition (Casey Stengel all-stars)
    1921 20-11; team 54-35, TRA 2.87, 108 K
    1922 20-11; 4.09 TRA, 96 K, GSA, all-star; team 77-37
    1-0? vs. major-league competition (unclear if he or Currie got the win)
    1923 20-19; TRA 3.61, 61 K; team 78-49
    1924 17-5, 4.35 TRA, 101 K, GSA, all-star; team 60-27
    2-1, 2.89 ERA in WS vs. Hilldale
    9-4 in Cuban play
    1925 20-2, 2.95 TRA, 90 K, GSA, all-star; team 63-20
    4-0 in playoff vs. Stl, 3.00 TRA, MVP of series
    1926 14-4; team 65-19
    3-3, 3.33 TRA in playoff vs. Chicago
    1927 15-6, 2.84 TRA, 89 K; team 59-33, all-star
    1928 11-3, 3.52 TRA; team 49-32
    1929 no data
    1936 1-0; team 7-0
    1937 0-0; team 13-8

    career
    151-65, according to Holway
    (seasons add up to 148-65 1925 listed as both 22-2 and 20-2, w/22 wins Rogan has 150)

    From Riley

    1922-28 w-l of 13-6, 12-8, 16-5, 15-2, 12-4, 15-6, 9-3

    BULLET ROGAN'S PLACEMENTS ON HOLWAY-BASED CAREER NGL LEADERBOARDS (1920-1948, 1923 KC Monarchs used courtesy of Gary A.---thanks, Gary!)

    WINS t-4th at 144

    LOSSES t-24th with 57

    DECISIONS 9th with 201

    WINNING PCT .716
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 6th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 10th
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 21st

    ADJ PCT OF TEAM DECISIONS 24.8%
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 18th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 26th
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 42nd

    WAT 9th with 13.7

    WAT PER DECISION .068
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 37th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 55th
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 85th

    APPEARANCES ON YEARLY WINS LEADERBOARDS

    1920 6th in NNL and NgLs with 10 wins

    1921 2nd in NNL and NgLs with 20 wins (note here Holway and Gary differ; I'm only going with Holway here because I don't have complete team figures for KC.)

    1922 Led NgLs and NNL with 20 wins.

    1923 Led NgLs and NNL with 16 wins (tied).

    1924 Led NNL with 17 wins, 4th in NgLs.

    1925 Led NNL with 20 wins, 2nd in NgLs.

    1926 t-3rd in NNL with 14 wins, 6th in NgLs.

    1927 t-3rd in NNL with 15 wins, t-4th in NgLs.

    1928 t-6th in NNL and NgLs with 11 wins.
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    Louis Santop Data

    Expert Evaluations summary

    HF% Career Name-pos (born) BJ – MVP - All-Star
    76% 09-26 Louis Santop-C (1890) #2 c - 7 - 7*

    Note: "MVP" is the sum of Bill James and John Holway MVP awards. Santop was probably did not play at MVP level for seven seasons, but Holway and James agree that he was the best player in 3 or 4 seasons.


    From Holway

    Seasonal listings
    1909 no data; Riley lists Santop as ending season with Phi Giants
    1910 no data; Riley lists Santop with Philadelphia, but no listing in Holway
    1911 .333 for NY Lincoln Giants (no ab data), split catching duties w/ Pete Booker
    1911 1-14 in Cuban Play
    1912 .412 for NY Lincoln Giants (7-17) listed as outfielder
    1913 .264 for NY Lincoln Giants, listed as outfielder; Holway all-star
    3-13 vs. Pete Alexander & Walter Johnson
    1914 .517 for NY Lincoln Giants, listed as outfielder; Holway all-star
    13-36 in Cuban Play for NY Lincolns
    1915 .259 for NY Lincoln Stars; listed as outfielder
    2-8 vs. major-league competition
    1916 .250 for NY Lincoln Stars; listed as catcher
    1-3 in winter ball in Florida
    1917 .414 for Bkn Royal Giants (12-29); c, Holway all-star
    8-28 vs. Chicago Am Giants in World Series
    4-12 vs. Joe Bush & a partly big-league squad
    1918 .444 for Bkn and Phil (12-27); c, Holway all-star, drafted
    1919 .464 for Bkn (13-28); c. missed part of season in army
    1920 .265 for Phi Hilldales; c
    6-16 in playoff vs. Bkn
    7-24 vs. major-league competition
    9-17 in Cuban Play
    1921 .340 or .354 for Phil Hilldales; c, Holway all-star
    0-10 in play-off vs. AC Bacharachs
    5-13 in “World Series” vs. Chi Am Giants
    1922 .404 or .286 for Phil Hilldales, .404 best in east; c, Holway all-star
    1923 .230 for Phil Hilldales; c
    4-17 vs. major-league competition, mostly Phil Athletics
    1924 .328 for Phi Hilldale Giants; c, Holway all-star
    8-24 in World Series vs. Monarchs; fielding error loses game 8
    1925 .240 for Phil Hilldale
    0-2 in World Seies vs. Monarchs
    1926 no data; released by Hilldales mid-season

    Career Totals
    .318 (297-933) career avg. by Holway’s calculation
    13-45 (.289) vs. major-league competition by Holway’s calculation

    My totals from Holway
    .343 (23-97) in Cuban Play
    .341 mean avg., 1911-1925
    .270 (20-74) vs. major-league competition


    From Riley

    .406 lifetime avg. vs. all competition
    1911-1914 hit .470, .422, .429, .455 vs. all competition
    .316 lifetime avg. vs. major-league pitching
    1921-24 hit .373, .358, .364, .389 for Hilldales, .333 in 1924 world series (matches Holway)
    1925-6 hit composite .268 as pinch hitter, primarily.
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    HILTON SMITH'S CAREER LEADERBOARD RANKINGS

    WINS 24th with 70 wins.

    LOSSES t-97th with 28 losses.

    DECISIONS t-45th with 98 dec.

    WIN PCT .714
    (minimum 50 dec) 7th
    (minimum 25 dec) t-11th
    (minimum 10 dec) t-22nd

    % ADJ DEC OF TEAM .202
    (minimum 50 dec) 44th
    (minimum 25 dec) 62nd
    (minimum 10 dec) 91st

    WAT 43rd at 5.1

    WAT/DEC .052
    (minimum 50 dec) 44th
    (minimum 25 dec) 65th
    (minimum 10 dec) 102nd

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    SEASONAL RANKINGS

    1937 t-3rd in NAL in wins with 6, t-6th in NgLs.

    1938 1st in NAL in wins with 12, 3rd in NgLs.

    1939 3rd in NAL in wins with 8, 5th in NgLs.

    1940 t-1st in NAL in wins with 6, t-9th in NgLs; t-3rd in NAL in losses with 4, t-7th in NgLs.

    1941 1st in NAL in wins with 10, t-4th in NgLs.

    1942 t-6th in NAL in wins with 4, t-7th in NgLs.

    1946 t-5th in NAL in wins with 5, t-9th in NgLs.

    1947 t-3rd in NAL in wins with 7, t-6th in NgLs.

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    NOTES ON USAGE
    1937: 1st on team in dec
    1938: 1st on team in dec
    1939: 1st on team in dec
    1940: 1st on team in dec
    1941: 1st on team in dec
    1942: 3rd on team in dec
    1943: 4th on team in dec
    1944: t-4th on team in dec
    1945: 4th on team in dec
    1946: t-2nd on team in dec
    1947: 2nd on team in dec
    1948: 5th on team in dec

    Holway lists no decisions for Smith from 1932-1936.

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    OPPORTUNITY SCORES (OPP+)

    OPP+: 114
    485 adj team decisions vs
    426 league-average team decisions

    hOPP+: 79
    485 adj team decisions vs
    612 historicaly average team decisions

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    Other notes:

    It would be really helpful to know what to do with Smith's 1932-1936 years. Riley is a bit inconsistent with regard to how he treats the two NO teams Smith played on as well as with the Monroe Monarchs. On one hand, he doesn't treat them as MiL in the headnotes, but he does suggest in the biography that they are. Either way, Holway has no recorded decisions for Smith from that period.

    Smith played for outstanding teams, thus his WAT is not very high.

    Riley lists him as going 8-5 in VZ for the 1946 winter season (for the champion team).

    Holway's Latin America numbers for Smith:
    6-3 in Cuba in 1937.
    4-2 in Cuba in 1939.
    3-5 in Mexico in 1941, with a 3.88 ERA.
    13-11 in Mexico in 1942.

    26-21: .553

    Hilton Smith's year by year numbers as requested (I don't have the Mexican team totals handy):

    YEAR LG TM W L PCT WAT
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    1937 NAL KC 6 4 0.600 -0.4
    1938 NAL KC 12 2 0.857 3.1
    1939 NAL KC 8 2 0.800 1.9
    1940 NAL KC 6 4 0.600 -2.8
    1941 NAL KC 10 1 0.909 1.9
    1941 TOR MX 3 5 0.375 ?
    1942 NAL KC 4 3 0.571 -1.4
    1942 TOR MX 13 11 0.542 ?
    1943 NAL KC 4 2 0.667 1.1
    1944 NAL KC 2 4 0.333 -0.8
    1945 NAL KC 5 2 0.714 1.4
    1946 NAL KC 5 2 0.714 -0.3
    1947 NAL KC 7 0 1.000 1.8
    1948 NAL CL 1 2 0.333 -0.5
    ============================
    TOTAL 74 28 0.725 5.1


    Hilton Smith pitched two seasons in the Cuban League. Here's his record:
    Year Team G CG W L Tm W* Tm L Tm Pct WAT % tm dec
    37-38 Marianao 14 7 6 3 29 28 .509 1.7 16%
    39-40 Santa Clara 9 2 4 2 24 27 .471 1.3 12%
    Total 23 9 10 5 3.0
    * Excludes games won by forfeit: 1937-38 (6-W)

    Notes:
    1937-38 - Team's no. 3 pitcher (in decisions) behind Dihigo and Barney Brown
    1939-40 - Team's no. 5 pitcher behind René Monteagudo, Roy Partlow, Armando Torres, and Andy Porter.
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    Turkey Stearnes data

    Mostly from Holway, with career data from MacMillan 8th & 10th editions.

    Teams: 23-31 Det Stars, 32-35 Chi American Giants, 36 Phil Stars, 37 Det Stars, 38-41 KC Monarchs

    Park Factors, as far as I know: Detroit played in a hitter’s park, though not an extreme one. The Chi Am Giants park was an extreme pitcher’s park. KC Monarchs’ park, if it is the same as their late 1920s park, probably played as a pitcher’s park.

    Seasonal Data from Holway

    1923 .360 for Det Stars; ba 5th, 17 hr (2nd), 33 hr/550 (5th), 16 2b (5th), 15 3b (1st); cf; all-star
    6-13 vs. major-league competition
    1924 .359 for Det Stars; ba 5th, 10 hr (1st) 23 hr/550 (2nd), 13 3b (1st); lf, all-star
    1925 .364 for Det Stars; 18 hr (1st), 27 hr/550 (5th), 22 2b (3rd) 11 3b (3rd); cf; all-star
    1926 .375 for Det Stars; ba 3rd, 20 hr (3rd), 36 hr/550 (2nd), 24 2b (2nd), 10 3b (3rd), 13 sb (4th); cf; all-star
    1927 .339 for Det Stars; 20 hr (2nd), 35 hr/550 (2nd), 24 2b (1st), 12 3b (1st), 11 sb (3rd); cf, all-star
    1928 .324 for Det Stars; 24 hr (1st), 42 hr/550 (1st), 18 2b (3rd), 7 3b (2nd); cf, all-star, MVP
    1929 .378 for Det Stars; ba 3rd, 19 hr (3rd), 40 hr/550 (3rd); cf, all-star
    1930 .339 for Det Stars; 10 3b (2nd); lf
    .377 for NY Lincoln Giants; 5 3b (1st), 4 sb (1st); ut
    1931 .370 for Det Stars, .095 for KC; 11 hr (1st), 28 hr/550 (2nd), 14 2b (1st), 6 sb (1st); cf, all-star
    4-27 in World Series vs. Grays
    1932 .297 for Chi Am Giants; 7 hr (1st), 20 hr/550 (1st), 12 2b (1st), 7 3b (1st), 14 sb (1st); cf, all-star, MVP
    7-10 in playoff vs. Nashville
    1933 .358 for Chi Am Giants; 11 hr (4th), 33 hr/550 (5th); cf
    1934 .398 for Chi Am Giants; ba 3rd; 13 hr (2nd), 37 hr/550 (2nd), 13 2b (2nd), 5 3b (2nd); cf, MVP
    6-16 in playoff vs. Phi Stars (also won best player award for Denver Post Tournament)
    1935 .409 for Phi/Chi; ba 2nd, 8 hr (5th); cf, all-star
    7-15 vs. major-league competition
    1936 .308 for Phi Stars; 17 hr (1st), 47 hr/550 (5th); cf
    1937 .382 for Det Stars; 3 hr (4th), 24 hr/550 (1st); cf
    6-23 in playoff vs. KC
    7-17 in World Series vs. Homestead
    1938 .292 for KC, .280 for Chi Am Giants; 3 hr (2nd), 22 hr/550 (3rd), 6 2b (2nd), 2 3b (3rd); rf
    1939 .453 for KC, 2 hr (2nd), 9 hr/550 (4th), 8 2b (2nd), 3 sb (1st); rf, all-star, MVP
    1940 .287 for KC, 5 hr (2nd), 25 hr/550 (2nd); cf, all-star
    1941 no data

    Career Batting

    1308-3937, .332
    197 hr, 27/550 ab
    37-98, .378 vs. major-league competition
    .355 mean avg. for 18 documented seasons

    There’s something odd in Turkey Stearnes’ career record. With only 5 seasons listed as below his career avg., it’s hard to believe that unevenness of games recorded could produce a career avg. that low. Either some of his seasonal averages are his “published” averages rather than statistically documented ones, or Holway’s career data is in error, or something else is strange.

    Career data from MacMillan 8th edition
    905 g, 3372 ab, 1186 hits, 199 2b, 106 3b, 185 hr, .352 ba, .638 slg
    (note: ba printed as .359 . . . The NeL players really need some devoted historians who are deeply deeply deeply detail-oriented . . . )

    Career data from MacMillan 10th edition
    903 g 3358 ab, 1183 hits, 201 2b, 107 3b, 181 hr, .352 ba, .638 slg
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    Mule Suttles Data, mostly from Holway

    Teams: 23-25 Bir Black Barons, 26-31 Stl Stars, 32 Det/Was, 33-35 Chi Am Giants, 36-40 Newark Eagles, 41 NY Black Yankees, 42-44 Newark Eagles

    Park Effects: (as far as I know) Birmingham played in a very good pitcher’s park, St. Louis played in an all-time great hitter’s park, Chi Am Giants an all-time great pitchers’ park, Newark in a very good hitter’s park.

    Seasonal Data from Holway

    1923 .243 for Bir Black Barons; lf
    1924 .317 for Bir; lf
    1925 .428 for Bir; 1st in ba, 14 hr (3rd), 36 hr/550 ab (3rd); 1b
    1926 .498 for Stl; ba 1st, 27 hr (1st), 70 hr/550 (1st), 27 2b (1st), 21 3b (1st), 11 sb; 1b; all-star, MVP
    1927 .476 for Stl; (1/4 season, was beaned & missed the rest of the year) 53 hr/550 (1st); 1b
    1928 .372 for Stl; ba 3rd, 19 hr (3rd), 38 hr/550 (4th), 9 3b (1st); 1b, all-star
    9-27 in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
    1929 .351 for Stl; 20 hr (2nd), 35 hr/550 (4th), 29 2b (1st); 1b, all-star
    3-13 in World Series vs. Homestead
    7-20 vs. major-league competition
    55-175 in Cuban Play
    1930 .422 for Stl.; ba 1st, 12 hr (2nd), 43 hr/550 (1st), 9 3b (3rd); ut, all-star (as dh)
    .389 for Bal Black Sox; 10 hr (1st), 73/hr 550 (1st) [57/550 combined], 7 2b (4th); 1b
    1931 .349 for Stl; ba 4th; lf
    2-4 vs. major-league competition
    1932 .315 for Det, .322 for Was; 9 hr (3rd), 31 hr/550 (1st), 12 2b (3rd); 1b, all-star
    1933 .254 for Chi Am Giants; 5 sb (4th); 1b
    1934 .254 for Chi Am Giants; 12 hr (3rd), 32 hr/550 (4th); 1b
    3-15 in playoff vs. Phi Stars
    1935 .263 for Chi Am Giants; 13 hr (2nd), 40 hr/550 (1st); 1b
    5-12 vs. major-league competition
    1936 .365 for Newark Eagles; ba 4th, 15 hr (2nd), 57 hr/550 (3rd); 1b, all-star
    1937 .345 for Newark Eagles; 16 hr (2nd), 80 hr/550 (1st); lf
    1938 .282 for Newark Eagles; 14 hr (1st), 51 hr/550 (1st); 1b
    1939 .282 for Newark Eagles; 12 hr (2nd), 46 hr/550 (3rd), 6 2b (5th), 2 3b (3rd); 1b
    4-15 in playoffs
    0-4 vs. major-league competition
    31-142 in Cuban Play
    1940 .262 for Newark Eagles; 8 hr (4th), 26 hr/550 (5th), 11 2b (5th), 3 sb (1st); lf
    1941 .222 for NY Black Yankees; lf
    1942 .385 for Newark Eagles; ut
    1943 no data, manager of Newark Eagles
    1944 .250 for Newark Eagles; ut and manager

    Career Batting
    1103-3230, .341
    237 hr, 40/550 ab
    58-170, .341 vs. major-league pitching
    .329 mean avg. for 21 seasons with data

    Career from MacMillan 8th ed.
    830 g, 2962 ab, 1001 hits, 167 2b, 63 3b, 183 hr, .338 ba

    Career from MacMillan 10th ed.
    870 g, 3077 ab, 1011 hits, 171 2b, 65 3b, 190 hr, .329 ba
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    Here's the Ben Taylor data I've gathered

    Expert Assessments
    Bill James -- #3 First Baseman
    CPPD -- 80% of experts voted to elect to HoF
    Holway -- 8 all-star selections; 3rd team first-baseman on all-time Negro-League all-star team (Mule Suttles & Buck Leonard were selected for the first and second team)

    From Riley

    .334 lifetime batting average
    1909 22-3 with Birmingham Giants
    1911 30-1 with St. Louis Giants (vs. all levels of competion)
    1912 .379 with St. Louis Giants and NY Lincoln Giants (vs. all levels?)
    1914 .333 with Ind ABCs
    1915 .308 with ABCs
    .500 in Cuban play
    1916 .335 with ABCs
    1920-22, .323, .407, .358 with ABCs
    1923 player-manager for Washington Potomacs, not of ML caliber
    1924 .314 and p-manager of Potomacs
    1925 .328 with Harrisburg, p-manager
    1926-28 .242, .307, .336 with Baltimore, p-manager
    1929 .322 with Bacharachs, p-manager

    From Holway
    1910 0-3, .125 ba for West Baden Sprudels
    1911 2-0, ..667 ba for St. Louis Giants
    2-0 for West Baden Sprudels; Holway all-star at pitcher
    1912 .375 for West Baden, 0-1 as pitcher
    1913 .400 for West Baden
    .347 for Chi Am Giants; Holway all-star
    1914 .323/.318 for Ind ABCs; 5-3 as pitcher; Holway all-star, MVP
    7 HR (22/550 ab), 24 2b, 6 3b, 19 sb (all lead league). Appx. 175 ab
    Totals 175 ab, 56 hits, slg % of .646
    1915 .356/.280 for ABCs; 19 2b, 0-1 as pitcher; Holway all-star
    1-9 vs. major-league competition
    1916 .327 for Ind ABCs; Holway all-star
    4-19 in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
    0-3 vs. major-league pitching
    7-18 in Florida Winter League
    1917 .234 for ABCs, 0-1 as pitcher
    3-3 vs. major-league competition
    1918 .229 for ABCs
    1919 .200 for AC Bacharach Giants
    3-13 vs. major-league competition
    1920 .359 for Ind ABCs; Holway all-star
    1921 .374 for Ind ABCs, 22 2b leads league; Holway all-star
    1922 .364 for Ind ABCs, 30 2b leads league
    1923 no data
    1924 .319 for Was Potomacs
    1925 .333 for Har Giants
    1926 .181 for Bal Black Sox
    1927 .282 for Bal Black Sox; Holway all-star
    1928 .322 for Bal Black Sox
    0-4 vs. major-league competition
    1929 .306 for AC Bacharach Giants

    Holway Career totals
    1909-34 937-2920, .321
    16-50, .320 vs. major-league competition
    .335 mean avg., 1911-1922, 1924-29
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    Clint Thomas Data

    Seasonal Data from Holway

    1920 no data, rookie with Brooklyn Royal Giants; 2b
    1921 .264 for Columbus Buckeyes; 2b
    1922 .339 for Detroit Stars; cf
    1923 .254 for Hilldale; cf; 7 sb 2nd in league
    8-24 vs. major-league competition
    1924 .295 for Hilldale; rf; 7 hr 2nd in league; 13 hr/550 ab 3rd, 5 3b 2nd
    8-38 in World Series vs. Monarchs
    39-105 in Cuban Play
    1925 .314 for Hilldale; cf; 20 2b 4th in league, 16 sb 3rd; all-star
    6-22 in World Series vs. Monarchs
    1926 .271 for Hilldale; cf; 12 hr 1st in league, 17 hr/550 5th, 17 2b 1st, 7 3b 1st, 12 sb 2nd; not all-star but should have been
    39-118 in Cuban Play
    1927 .269 for Hilldale; cf
    1928 .250 for Hilldale; ut; 5 3b 1st in league
    .275 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
    40-138 in Cuban Play
    1929 .342 for AC Bacharach Giants
    1930 .437 for NY Lincoln Giants; lf; ba 2nd in league, 14 2b 2nd; all-star
    9-37 in World Series vs. Homestead
    1931 .132 for NY Harlem Stars/Bombers; cf
    1932 .317 for NY Black Yankees; cf
    1933 .318 for NY Black Yankees; cf; all-star
    1934 .221 for NY Black Yankees; cf
    1935 no data, played for NY Black Yankees
    1936 .333 for NY Cubans; cf; 6 2b 2nd in league
    1937 .278 for NY Black Yankees; cf
    1938 no data, played for NY Black Yankees

    career, calculated from seasonal data
    .290 mean avg. for 16 seasons with data
    8-24 vs. major league competition
    118-361, .327 in Cuban play
    23-97, .237 in post-season play
    3-time all-star
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    Jules Thomas Data

    From Holway

    1909 -- listed as pitcher for Brooklyn Royal Giants – no dec.
    1910 -- .371 (13-35) for Bkn Royal Giants; Holway all-star
    1911 -- .350 for Bkn Royal Giants; Holway all-star
    1912 -- .357 (35-98) for Stl Giants; avg. was 6th highest in west, led west w/ 3 HR
    .100 for Bkn. Royal Giants
    1913 -- .235 for Bkn Royal Giants
    1914 -- .286 (18-64 ish) for Bkn Royal Giants; led east w/2 HR, 17 HR/550 ab, tied with five others for lead in doubles with 3; Holway all-star
    5-39 for Lincolns in Cuba
    1915 -- .429 for NY Lincoln Giants; Holway all-star
    6-16 vs. major-league competition
    1916 -- .308 for NY Lincoln Giants
    4-13 in Florida Winter Ball
    1917 -- .359 for NY Lincoln Giants; Holway all-star
    0-7 vs. major-league competition
    1918 -- .275 for NY Lincoln Giants
    1919 -- .246 for NY Lincoln Giants
    1920 -- .500 for NY Lincoln Giants; Holway all-star
    1921 -- no ba listed for NY Lincoln Giants
    1922 – listed as manager of NY Lincoln Giants, not player
    1923 -- .264 for NY Lincoln Giants
    1924 -- .281 for Bkn Royal Giants
    1925 -- listed as manager of NY Lincoln Stars, hit .407 in utility role
    1926 – no data
    1927 – no data
    1928 -- no BA data, listed as outfielder for NY Lincoln Giants, 0-1 as pitcher

    Career Totals

    13 documented seasons as regular, 1910-20, 23-34, probably a regular but undocumented in 1921 and 1922
    .320 mean avg. for 13 documented seasons
    5-39 (.128) in Cuban Play
    6-23 (.261) vs. major-league competition

    6 time Holway all-star
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    Here's the data I've gathered for Christobal Torriente

    Expert Evaluations
    Bill James -- #2 Negro-League CF, #67 in top 100 players all-time
    CPPD -- 96% of experts vote for HoF induction
    Holway -- 9 all-star selections; first-string outfielder on his all-time Negro-League all-star team, with Oscar Charleston and Turkey Stearnes (second team is Cool Papa Bell, Pete Hill, and Wild Bill Wright)

    From Holway

    1913 .383 (23-60) for Cubans (west); Holway all-star
    35-104 in Cuban play (.337)
    1914 .358 for Cuban Stars, 4-3 as pitcher; Holway all-star
    48-186 in Cuban Play (.387)
    1915 . 317 for Cuban Stars; Holway all-star
    9-23 (.391) vs. ABCs in Cuba
    56-139 (.403) in Cuban Play
    1916 .357 for Cuban Stars; Holway all-star
    1917 .500 for Cuban Stars, .250 for All Nations
    1918 .318 for Cuban Stars; 2-2 as pitcher Holway all-star
    1919 .280 for Chi Am Giants; 5-1 as pitche; Holway all-star (dh)
    21-73 vs. major-league competition in Cuba
    36-100 in Cuban Play
    1920 .361 for Chi Am Giants; Holway all-star, 0-1 as pitcher
    9-31 vs. major-league competition in Cuba
    29-98 (.296) in Cuban Play
    1921 .346 for Chi Am Giants, 6-1 as pitcher
    4-15 in playoff vs. Hilldale
    7-20 (.350) in Cuban Play
    1922 .393 for Chi Am Giants
    3-19 vs. Bacharachs in World Series
    61-194 (.351) in Cuban Play
    1923 .395 for Chi Am Giants; Holway all-star
    1-6 vs. Detroit Tigers
    .377 in Cuban Play
    1924 .333 for Chi Am Giants
    62-163 (.380) in Cuban Play
    1925 .241 for Chi Am Giants
    43-122 (.344) in Cuban Play
    1926 .371 for KC Monarchs; Holway all-star
    11-31 in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
    1927 .326 for Detroit Stars
    1928 .333 for Detroit Stars listed as in a utility role

    Career Totals
    15 documented seasons as regular
    856-2548 (.336) lifetime in Negro-League Play, 53 HR
    mean avg. .343 in 15 seasons as regular
    mean avg. .352 adj. for Chi Am Giants park
    48-110 (.436) vs. major-league competition
    386-1149 (.336) lifetime in Cuban Play
    17-9 as pitcher

    From Riley

    Avgs. 1919-23 of ..325, 411, .338, .342, .412
    Avg. 1926 .381
    Avgs. 1927-28 .339, .320

    Hit .352 in 13 Cuban Winter League seasons, with avgs. Of
    .265, .337, .387, .402, .360, .296, .350, .346, .380, .344, .375, .222

    Avg. vs. major-league competition, .313

    WINS t-155th with 18 wins

    LOSSES t-294th with 6 losses

    DECISIONS t-206th with 24 decisions

    WINNING PCT .750
    (50 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
    (25 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 11th

    ADJ PCT OF TEAM DECISIONS 5.8%
    (50 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
    (25 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 329th (of 225)

    WAT 69th with 3.4

    WAT PER DECISION .142
    (50 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
    (25 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 27th

    He didn't pitch much, but when he did, he was very effective.



    Hit .352 in 13 Cuban Winter League seasons, with avgs. Of
    .265, .337, .387, .402, .360, .296, .350, .346, .380, .344, .375, .222

    Avg. vs. major-league competition, .313
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    Quincy Troupe's Mexican League Performances

    Mexican Counting Stats
    Year Team Age G Ab H Tb 2b 3b Hr Bb Sb
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    1939 Mon 26 38 137 42 71 11 3 4 24 7
    1940 Mon 27 76 276 93 150 25 7 6 48 9
    1941 Mon 28 98 363 111 171 25 4 9 66 9
    1942 Mex 29 70 269 98 171 27 5 12 62 20
    1943 Mex 30 76 276 83 143 18 3 12 60 5
    1944 Mex 31 57 197 47 82 12 1 7 40 4
    1950 Jal 37 67 206 58 92 10 0 8 55 3
    1951 Jal 38 63 177 45 70 6 5 3 52 2
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    Total 545 1901 577 950 134 28 61 407 59
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    Willie Wells Seasonal and Career Data, from Holway

    Teams: 24-31 Stl Stars, 32 Det/Homestead/KC, 33-35 Cole’s Am Giants, 36-39 Newark Eagles, 40-41 Mexico, 42 Newark, 43-44 Mexico, 45 Newark, 46 several teams

    1924 .263 for Stl; ss
    1925 .270 for Stl; 14 sb (5th); ss
    4-27 in playoff vs. KC
    1926 .371 for Stl; 4th in ba, 23 hr/550 (5th); ss, all-star
    1927 .380 for Stl; 5th in ba, 23 hr (1st), 34 hr/550 (3rd), 20 2b (2nd); ss, all-star, MVP
    1928 .353 for Stl; 17 hr (4th), 32 hr/550 (5th), 22 2b (2nd); ss, all-star
    8-25 in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
    1929 .373 for Stl; 4th in ba, 27 hr (1st), 44 hr/550 (2nd), 21 sb; ss, all-star, MVP
    8-16 in World Series vs. Homestead
    9-22 vs. major-league competition
    57-177 in Cuban play
    1930 .403 for Stl; ba 2nd, 15 hr (1st), 29 hr/550 (2nd), 32 2b (1st), 17 sb (2nd); ss, all-star, MVP
    1931 .263 for Stl; 5 hr (2nd), 30 hr/550 (1st); ss
    3-10 vs. major-leageu competition
    1932 .330 for Det, .255 for KC; 14 2b (2nd), 3 3b (4th), 7 sb (3rd); ss
    2-3 vs. major-league competition (home run)
    1933 .265 for Chi Am Giants; ss
    1934 .264 for Chi Am Giants; 10 2b (3rd), 8 3b (1st), 3 sb (4th); ss
    3-15 in playoff vs. Phi Stars
    1935 .270 for Chi Am Giants; 7 sb (2nd); ss
    2-4 vs. major league pitching (backed by semipro teams)
    1936 .237 for Newark Eagles; ss
    30-88 in Cuban Play
    1937 .320 for Newark Eagles; ss
    0-18 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
    36-126 in Cuban Play
    1938 .404 for Newark Eagles; ba 1st, 6 hr (5th), 34 hr/550 (3rd), 4 2b (5th), 3 sb (1st); ss, all-star
    36-117 in Cuban Play
    1939 .355 for Newark Eagles; ba 5th, 3 sb (1st); ss, all-star
    1-14 in playoffs
    6-20 on Homestead’s Cuban tour
    63-192 in Cuban Play
    1940 In Mexico
    117-330, .345
    1941 In Mexico, 140-403, .347; ss
    In Puerto Rico, .378, 17 2b (2nd)
    1942 .358 for Newark Eagles; ba 3rd, 6 hr (3rd), 24 hr/550 (3rd), 5 sb (1st); ss, all-star
    1943 In Mexico
    1944 In Mexico and .500 for NY Black Yankees; ss
    1945 .216 for Newark Eagles; ss and manager

    Career
    1306-3981, .328
    138 hr, 20/550 ab
    41-116, .353 vs. major-league competition
    Mean avg. 316

    Willie Wells, Mexican League

    Yr--G---AB---H--D-T-HR---R-RBI-BB-SO-HP-SH-SB-AVE-OBA-SLG
    40-084-339-117-30-2-03-095--57-35-21--3-06-17-345-411-472
    41-100-403-140-29-6-09-102--77-57-20--1-07-14-347-430-516
    43-087-319-094-15-4-04-041--51-44-11--2-06-10-295-384-404
    44-083-293-086-13-3-10-063--52-65-11--1-10-09-294-423-461

    Totals
    G-354
    AB-1354
    H-437
    D-87
    T-15
    HR-26
    R-301
    RBI-237
    BB-201
    SO-63
    HP-7
    SH-29
    SB-50
    AVE-.323
    OBA-.413
    SLG-.467
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    Chaney White Data

    Seasonal Data from Holway

    1919 no data, rookie with Hilldale Daisies; cf
    1920 .094 for Hilldale; cf
    2-15 in playoff vs. Bkn Royal Giants
    3-24 vs. major-league competition
    1921 .270 for Hilldale; cf
    2-10 in playoff vs. Bacharachs
    6-17 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
    1922 .270 for Hilldale; lf
    1923 .295 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
    1924 .287 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
    1925 .321 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
    1926 .281 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf ;17 2b 1st in league, 4 3b 3rd
    8-33 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
    1927 .279 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
    5-33 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
    1928 .342 for AC Bacharach Giants; rf
    1929 .357 for AC Bacharach Giants; rf; 12 3b 1st in league
    1930 .312 for Homestead Grays; cf
    .315 for Hilldale; cf
    9-38 in World Series for Grays vs. NY Lincoln Giants
    1931 .272 for Phi Stars/Hilldale; cf
    1932 .173 for Hilldale; cf
    .240 for Bal Black Sox; ut
    2-11 vs. major-league pitching
    1933 .318 for Phi Stars; cf; all-star
    1934 .295 for Phi Stars; cf
    1935 .258 for Phi Stars; cf
    1936 .410 for NY Cubans; ut

    Career, calculated from Seasonal data

    .286 mean avg. for 17 seasons with data
    5-35 vs. major-league competition
    27-113, ,239 in post-season play
    1-time all star
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    Here are the published numbers on Smokey Joe Williams from Riley and Holway.

    Smokey Joe Williams Data

    From Riley

    1905-1909 (in Texas play) 28-4, 15-9, 20-8, 32-8

    1911 – 10-7 in Cuban play; 22-15 lifetime in Cuba
    1912 – 9-1 for Chi American Giants against PCL teams; 8-2 for NY Lincoln Giants
    1913 – 18-3 for NY Lincoln Giants
    1914 – 41-3 vs. all levels of competition; 12-2 vs. black teams, 100 K in 17 games, all for NY Lincoln Giants
    1921 18-2 “through mid-August” for NY Lincoln Giants
    1929 12-7 for Homestead Grays

    20-7 vs. major-league competition, lifetime

    Batting
    1912-1914 Hit .320, .299, .175
    1917 hits .281

    From Holway

    1910 3-4 for Chicago Giants, TRA 3.12 (4th in West – 4 teams, top TRA 2.00)
    7 decisions out of 13 recorded for team.
    1911 1-0 for Chicago Leland Giants (of 5 team decisions)
    10-7 in Cuban play (Frank Wickware 10-4, Jose Mendez 9-5, Dick Redding 4-8)
    1912 3-2 for NY Lincoln Giants, TRA 2.20 (9 team decisions)
    9-7 in Cuban play (Dick Redding, 7-2, Jose Mendez 7-5)
    2-0 vs. major-league competition (beat a Giants/Yankees mixed squad, 6-0, 6-0). May have won a third game against the Giants, 2-0
    1913 12-5 for NY Lincoln Giants, TRA 3.87 (23 team decisions); Holway all-star, Holway George Stovey award
    1-0 vs. major-league competition (beat Phillies & Pete Alexander, 9-2)
    1914 6-4 for NY Lincoln Giants, (29 team dec.)
    1-0-1 vs. major-league competition (beat Phillies, 10-4, tied Rube Marquard & a part-Giants team 1-1)
    1915 2-0 for NY Lincoln Giants (5 team dec.)
    Missed time due to broken arm and broken wrist
    2-2 vs. major-league competition (beat Buffalo of Federal League, 3-0, lost to NY Giants, 2-4, beat the Phillies (less Gavvy Cravath), 1-0, lost to the Phillies, 2-4)
    3-3 in Cuban play (Dolf Luque 12-5, Frank Wickware 2-4)
    1916 5-6 for NY Lincoln Giants (19 team dec.), TRA 4.60
    1-0 vs. “Major-League” competition – beat Rube Marquard, backed by a minor-league squad, 5-4.
    2-1 in resort ball in Florida
    1917 9-1 for NY Lincoln Giants, 3.22 TRA (of 14 team decisions); Holway All Star, George Stovey award, Fleet Walker award
    1-1 vs. major league competition (beat Joe Bush & a weak, part big-league squad 6-2, lost to Bush and a stronger squad 4-10) .
    1918 7-2 for NY Lincoln Giants, TRA 2.23 (19 team decisions); Holway all star, George Stovey award, Fleet Walker award
    1-0 vs. major-league competition (won by forfeit while trailing 3-4 in the ninth), 4-0 vs. big-league pitchers backed by minor-league squads (8-0, 2-0, 1-0, 14-1)
    1919 9-2 for NY Lincoln Giants, 2.32 TRA (of 20 team decisions); Holway all-star, George Stovey award
    1920 0-3 for NY Lincoln Giants (two losses to Dick Redding; Redding pitched shutouts in both) (4 team decisions)
    1921 7-1 for NY Lincoln Giants (17 team decisions); Holway all-star, George Stovey Award
    1922 4-1 for NY Lincoln Giants (12 team decisions), 5.40 TRA
    1923 5-4 for NY Lincoln Giants (38 team decisons)
    1924 3-4 for Bkn Royal Giants (35 team decisions)
    1925 2-2 for Homestead Grays (? Team decisions)
    1926 1-0 for Homestead Grays (6 team decisions)
    1-0 vs. major-league competition (beat AL all-star team (good team!), 6-5)
    1927 2-0 for Homestead Grays (7 team decisions)
    1-0 vs. major league competition (beat good AL all-star team, 5-0. Joe’s pitching was obviously good; opposing pitcher Rube Walberg was pitching his second game of the day)
    1928 2-1 for Homestead Grays (13 team decisions)
    1-0 vs. major-league competition (beat good AL all-star team, no box score, but Holway says he and his opponent, Rube Walberg, were “hit hard.”)
    1929 8-2 for Homestead Grays (58 team decisions), 4.76 TRA
    1930 7-2 for Homestead Grays (18 team decisions), 3.00 TRA
    1-2 in playoff vs. Lincoln Giants (2-6, 11-3, 2-6)
    1931 10-6 for Homestead Grays (65 team decisions), 2.54 TRA
    0-1, 6.57 TRA in “World Series” against KC Monarchs
    1932 6-2, 3.29 TRA for Homestead Grays (82 team dec)

    Holway’s listed career totals
    107-57, .652 wp
    8-4 vs. major-league competition.

    From Holway’s listed seasonal records, I count
    114-52, .687 wp

    10-4-1, .700 wp vs. major-league competition (counts forfeit win as a loss, doesn’t count victory against Rube Marquard & a minor-league squad, does count victory vs. Federal League team, calculates the tie as 1/2 win)

    Total score in 13 games with box-scores: 64-36, so Williams’ record is pretty much in line with expectation, given the scoring.

    In the 11 seasons for which Holway lists a total run average for Williams, he pitched 107 games. Treating each game as complete, Williams' career TRA comes out at 3.47. (4 of the 11 seasons are the last 4 of Williams' career.)


    SMOKEY JOE WILLIAMS PLACEMENTS ON CAREER NGL LEADERBOARDS (1920-1948)

    I guess this represents a little less than half of Williams's career, and, like Redding, it's not a particularly well document phase either.

    WINS t-40th with 57

    LOSSES t-91st with 29

    DECISIONS t-55th with 86

    WINNING PCT .663
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 17th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 28th
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 50th

    ADJ PCT OF TEAM DECISIONS 23%
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 30th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 42nd
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 66th

    WAT 31st at 7.3

    WAT PER DECISION .085
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 25th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 41st
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 70th

    APPEARANCE ON YEARLY WINS LEADERBOARDS

    1921 3rd in East with 7 wins.

    1922 4th in East 4 wins.

    1923 6th in ECL with 5 wins.

    1929 t-7th in ANL with 8 wins.

    1930 4th in East with 7 wins.

    1931 3rd in East with 10 wins, 5th in NgLs.
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    Here's the real-life info on Artie Wilson

    NEGRO LEAGUES
    TM
    YEAR LG TM AGE PO G G AB H TB 2B 3B HR SB BB K AVG SLG
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    1944 NAL BIR 23 SS 70 65 266 92 113 9 6 0 17 .346 .425
    1945 NAL BIR 24 SS 69 63 249 90 111 8 2 3 17 .361 .446
    1946 NAL BIR 25 SS 37 2 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000
    1947 NAL BIR 26 SS 53 212 79 100 .373 .473
    1948 NAL BIR 27 SS 76 76 333 134 175 19 8 2 10 .402 .526

    PCL
    SD/
    1949 PCL OAK 28 SS 187 165 607 211 248 19 9 0 47 62 58 .348 .409
    1950 PCL OAK 29 SS 200 196 848 264 328 27 17 1 31 68 79 .311 .387
    1951 PCL OAK 30 SS 168 81 349 89 99 8 1 0 6 14 36 .255 .284
    1952 PCL SEA 31 SS 180 160 683 216 250 15 8 1 25 35 20 .316 .366
    1953 PCL SEA 32 SS 180 177 638 212 269 23 14 2 9 76 25 .332 .422
    SS/
    1954 PCL SEA 33 IF 162 163 660 222 278 24 16 0 20 32 28 .336 .421
    2B/
    1955 PCL POR 34 1B 172 155 616 189 219 20 2 2 12 34 36 .307 .356
    SEA/
    1956 PCL POR 35 IF 168 101 273 80 97 9 4 0 6 24 19 .293 .355
    1957 PCL SAC 36 2B 168 75 315 83 105 10 6 0 3 11 12 .263 .333
    2B/
    1962 PCL POR 41 3B 25 55 9 11 0 1 0 0 .164 .200

    AA
    IF/
    1951 AA MIN 30 OF 152 17 59 23 33 2 1 2 0 13 8 .390 .559

    NL SS/
    1951 NL NY 30 IF 154 19 22 4 4 0 0 0 2 2 1 .182 .182

    INT
    1951 INT OTT 30 OF 150 2 7 2 3 1 0 0 1 .286 .429

    NWL
    1962 NWL KEN 41 2B 14 42 9 9 0 0 0 1 .214 .214

    PRWL
    1947 PRWL MAY 26 SS 60 252 102 137 .405 .542
    1948 PRWL MAY 27 SS 80 338 126 163 3 9 .373 .481
    1949 PRWL MAY 28 SS 77 262 87 117 .332 .445
    1950 PRWL MAY 29 SS 65 232 56 83 10 1 5 2 .241 .358
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    Jud Wilson Data

    Seasonal Data from holway

    1922 .438 for Bal Black Sox (too few ab to qualify for title); 1b; all-star
    1923 .369 for Bal Black Sox; ba 3rd; 1b; all-star
    1924 .381 for Bal Black Sox; ba 2nd; 1b; all-star
    4-7 vs. major-league competition
    1925 .419 for Bal Black Sox; ba 1st, 5 3b (5th); 1b; all-star
    64-149 in Cuban Play (top in league)
    1926 .351 for Bal Black Sox; ba 1st, 6 sb (3rd); 3b
    1927 .416 for Bal Black Sox; ba 2nd, 10 hr (3rd), 22 hr/550 (4th), 22 2b (1st), 9 3b (2nd), 8 sb (4th); 3b; all-star (as SS??)
    50-118 in Cuban Play (1st in league)
    1928 .375 for Bal Black Sox; ba 4th, 13 2b (3rd); 2b; all-star (as 3b??)
    3-4 vs. Major-league competition
    1929 .405 for Bal Black sox; ba 5th, 11 hr (5th), 24 hr/550 (5th), 20 2b (5th), x 3b (4th); 1b (should have been all-star, but Holway gives it to Pop Lloyd)
    4-8 vs. major-league competition
    58-160 in Cuban Play
    1930 .415 for Bal Black Sox, ba 4th, 10 2b (3rd); 3b; all-star (dh)
    1931 .352 for Homestead, ba 2nd, 6 hr (3rd); 13 hr/550 (3rd), 13 2b, (4th), 5 3b (3rd); 3b
    11-28 in World Series vs. Monarchs
    1932 .317 for Pgh Crawfords/Homestead; ba 5th; 3b; all-star
    9-28 vs. major-league competition
    3-6 vs. major-league pitching (2 hr)
    1933 .416 for Phi Stars; ba 2nd; 3b; all-star
    1934 .333 for Phi Stars, 10 hr (5th); 1b
    5-16 in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
    1935 .312 for Phi Stars; 1b
    1-11 vs. major-league competition
    1936 .333 for Phi Stars; 10 hr (5th); 1b
    1937 .351 for Phi Stars; 1b
    1938 .222 for Phi Stars; 2 3b (1st); 3b
    1939 .276 for Phi Stars; 9 2b (3rd); 3b
    1940 .250 for Homestead; ut
    1941 .454 for Homestead; 6 2b (5th); ut; all-star (3b)
    1942 .243 for Homestead; 2b
    2-7 in World Series vs. Monarchs
    1943 .327 for Homestead; 13 3b (1st); 2b
    1944 no data
    1945 .400 for Homestead; ut


    Career, according to Holway
    1484-4188, .354
    94 home runs, 12/550 ab
    39-132 vs. major-league competition, 6 hr

    Career data from MacMillan, 10th ed.
    781 g, 2763 ab, 960 hits, 151 2b, 32 3b, 63 hr, .347 ba, .494 slg
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    Nip Winters

    Expert Assessments

    Received 20% of expert vote for HoF in _Cool Papas_
    6-time Holway all-star
    5.5 times listed as best pitcher in his league by James or Holway
    Ranked by Holway as #3 left-handed Negro-League pitcher of all time (I think -- don't have the book with me at work and forgot to double-check this one)

    Here's the data I've gathered on Nip Winters from Holway.

    Nip Winters

    Negro-League Record
    1920 no data, pitched for Baltimore Black Sox
    1921 3-3 for AC Bach Giants, team 34-28; 0-1, 4.50 TRA in playoff vs. Hilldale; 1-0-1, 0.50 TRA in World Series vs. Chicago Am Giants
    1922 7-10 for AC Bacharach Giants, team 20-24; 1-0 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
    1923 10-3, TRA 3.03 for Phi Hilldales, team 32-17; GSA, All-Star
    1924 27-4 for Phi Hilldales, team 58-23; GSA, All-star; 3-1, 1.16 ERA in WS vs. Monarchs
    1925 21-13, TRA 3.88 for Phi Hilldales, team 65-26, all-star; 1-0, 3.00 TRA? In WS vs. Monarchs
    1926 23-4, 2.23 TRA for Phi Hilldales, team 58-34; GSA, all-star
    1927 18-16, 2.96 TRA for Phi Hilldales, team 47-70; all-star
    1928 10-11 for Phi Hilldales & NY Lincoln Giants, teams 26-27, 17-21
    1929 2-4 for NY Lincoln Giants, team 38-18
    1930 No data, may not have pitched for a top team
    1931 1-2 for Phi/Hilldale Stars, team 44-16
    1-1 for Nwk Browns, team 3-9
    0-2 for NY Bacharach Giants, team 0-4
    pitched for Was Potomacs, no record
    1932 1-2 for Was Pilots, team 16-35
    1933 no data, pitched for AC Bacharach Giants, who were not in league

    Totals
    124-75, .623
    Holway lists 126-74, .630

    Teams 405-309, .567
    Teams without Winters, 281-234, .546
    Record adj. to .500 teams behind him 115-84, .577


    Vs. Major-League competition
    1923 2-1 vs. Phil Athletics
    1926 2-0 vs. All-Star team (a good one), lp Lefty Grove, Rube Walberg

    NIP WINTERS PLACEMENTS ON CAREER NGL LEADERBOARDS

    WINS 8th with 127 wins.

    LOSSES 7th with 79 losses.

    DECISIONS 8th with 208 decisions.

    WINNING PCT .617
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 29th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 48th
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 81st

    ADJ PCT OF TEAM DECISIONS 28.5%
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 8th
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 12th
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 24th

    WAT 6th with 18.1 WAT

    WAT PER DECISION .088
    (50 Decisions Minimum) 23rd
    (25 Decisions Minimum) 39rd
    (10 Decisions Minimum) 66th

    RANKINGS ON YEARLY WINS LEADERBOARDS

    1922 2nd in East with 6 wins.

    1923 Led ECL with 10 wins (tied), 5th in NgLs.

    1924 Led ECL and NgLs with 27 wins.

    1925 Led ECL and NgLs with 21 wins.

    1926 2nd in ECL and NgLs with 23 wins.

    1927 t-2nd in ECL with 18 wins, t-3rd in NgLs.

    1928 t-3rd in ECL with 10 wins, t-7th in NgLs.
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    Wild Bill Wright Data

    From Riley

    Born June 6, 1914

    Teams: Elite Giants of Nashville (1932-34), of Columbus (1935), of Washington (36-37), of Baltimore (1938-39, 42, 45). In Mexico, 1940-41, 43-44, 46-56

    From Holway

    1932 .300; cf
    1933 .328, rf
    1934 .252, 3 3b (5th in league); cf
    1935 .298; lf
    1936 .356, 7 3b (1st); lf, all-star
    1937 .370 (5th), 10 hr (3rd), 29 hr/550 (4th) , 8 2b (2nd), 5 3b (1st); cf, all-star
    1938 .273, 5 2b (2nd), 3 sb (1st); cf
    1939 .398 (2nd), 4 3b (1st), 2 sb (2nd); lf, all-star
    1940 .360 in Mexico, 3rd in ba
    1941 .390 in Mexico, 1st in ba, 17 hr (3rd), 24 hr/550 (3rd), 26 sb (1st)
    1942 .273, 8 2b (3rd); rf
    1943 In Mexico, no data in Holway
    1944 In Mexico, no data in Holway (he says no Americans went to Mexico, but he’s incorrect)
    1945 .397, 3rd in ba, 5 hr (2nd), 21 hr/550 (2nd), 9 2b (1st); cf, all-star
    1946-on All play in Mexico

    career
    488-1429, .341
    11-39, .282 vs. major-league competition
    .332 mean avg., including listed Mexican seasons

    career data from Macmillan 8th
    251 g, 915 ab, 287 hits, 33 2b, 21 3b, 20 hr, 22 sb, .314 ba, .461 sa

    Mexican League Info for Wild Bill Wright.

    LG LG LG
    YEAR TEAM G AB AVG OBP SLG AVG SLG OBP OPS+
    ------------------------------------------------------
    1940 SR/MX 87 350 .360 .436 .571 .290 .420 .379 151
    1941 MEX 100 387 .390 .486 .633 .288 .396 .390 184
    1943 MEX 88 352 .366 .419 .577 .273 .367 .366 172
    1944 MEX 87 334 .335 .410 .539 .284 .387 .380 147
    1946 MEX 85 316 .301 .369 .434 .281 .381 .362 116
    1947 MEX 79 249 .305 .359 .414 .278 .366 .363 112
    1948 MON 66 258 .333 .377 .419 .273 .378 .364 114
    1949 MEX/TOR 73 293 .276 .333 .416 .276 .369 .370 103
    1950 MEX 63 248 .302 .364 .375 .260 .335 .361 113
    1951 MEX/NUE 30 104 .365 .416 .558 .272 .367 .384 160
    ================================================== ====
    TOTAL 758 2891 .335 .402 .501 .279 .379 .372 140

    MEXICAN LEAGUE CAREER RELATIVE AVERAGES
    AVG+ = 120
    OBP+ = 108
    SLG+ = 132
    OPS+ = 140


    Some quick notes:
    1) Wright was born in 1914, per Riley and confirmed by Cisneros, so these seasons represent his age 26-37 seasons.

    2) I do not have any park factors available for these seasons, so you're seeing unadjusted numbers.

    3) The AVG and SLG for each season are based on pitcher-excluded batting totals, as are the OBP data for seasons 1939 and 1948-1951. Due to time constraints (I'm going to a wedding and moving in the next five days) I used BB data that was already available in the Re-eval NgL Pitchers thread, basing my calcultions on BB/H because it proves easier to use that combo than any others when I have to extrapolate walk rates into NgL seasons.
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    Pitching Leader Boards

    These leader boards are a bit preliminary because I've still have got a few identity questions to resolve and some data-neatening to do (they look pretty rough, I know), but I think I'm close enough along that it won't make a tremendous difference. Also, I don't know if I'll finish it by Monday, so I figured better to post now. If/when any of these change, I'll repost.

    Remember, everything is based on Holway's data except where Gary has kindly supplied new data. That means only U.S. league and regional data is supplied for the years 1920-1948. (I may return to the pre-league years in the near future, no promises). This also includes data for the 1931 Negro Southern League because a) Holway supplied complete W-L data and b) a lot of top players were in the league that year. Holway's published career data often conflicts with itself (as Chris and Gary have recently pointed out), and I'm basing % of team decisions strictly on the sum of individual pitchers' wins and losses.

    Top 25ish totals are shown for each leaderboard.

    PRELIMINARY CAREER LEADER-BOARD LISTS

    WINS
    brown, ray …………………158
    paige, satchel ………154
    bell, william …………145
    foster, bill ……………144
    rogan, bullet …………144
    byrd, bill …………………133
    cooper, andy ……………130
    winters, nip ……………127
    holland, bill …………118
    mcdonald, webster 117

    LOSSES
    holland, bill ……………105
    mcdonald, webster …96
    paige, satchel …………93
    byrd, bill ……………………84
    yokely, laymon …………80

    DECISIONS
    paige, satchel ………247
    holland, bill …………223
    byrd, bill …………………217
    brown, ray …………………214
    foster, bill ……………214

    WAT (wins above team)
    brown, ray …………………32.75639
    cooper, andy ……………21.75161
    salmon, harry …………21.63823
    byrd, bill …………………18.98093
    foster, bill ……………18.9751
    winters, nip ……………18.1168
    paige, satchel ………17.75274
    mchenry, henry ………16.07841
    rogan, bullet …………13.7111
    rector, connie ………13.63975
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