Negro League data

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Here's the data I've gathered for Christobal Torriente

Expert Evaluations
Bill James -- #2 Negro-League CF, #67 in top 100 players all-time
CPPD -- 96% of experts vote for HoF induction
Holway -- 9 all-star selections; first-string outfielder on his all-time Negro-League all-star team, with Oscar Charleston and Turkey Stearnes (second team is Cool Papa Bell, Pete Hill, and Wild Bill Wright)

From Holway

1913 .383 (23-60) for Cubans (west); Holway all-star
35-104 in Cuban play (.337)
1914 .358 for Cuban Stars, 4-3 as pitcher; Holway all-star
48-186 in Cuban Play (.387)
1915 . 317 for Cuban Stars; Holway all-star
9-23 (.391) vs. ABCs in Cuba
56-139 (.403) in Cuban Play
1916 .357 for Cuban Stars; Holway all-star
1917 .500 for Cuban Stars, .250 for All Nations
1918 .318 for Cuban Stars; 2-2 as pitcher Holway all-star
1919 .280 for Chi Am Giants; 5-1 as pitche; Holway all-star (dh)
21-73 vs. major-league competition in Cuba
36-100 in Cuban Play
1920 .361 for Chi Am Giants; Holway all-star, 0-1 as pitcher
9-31 vs. major-league competition in Cuba
29-98 (.296) in Cuban Play
1921 .346 for Chi Am Giants, 6-1 as pitcher
4-15 in playoff vs. Hilldale
7-20 (.350) in Cuban Play
1922 .393 for Chi Am Giants
3-19 vs. Bacharachs in World Series
61-194 (.351) in Cuban Play
1923 .395 for Chi Am Giants; Holway all-star
1-6 vs. Detroit Tigers
.377 in Cuban Play
1924 .333 for Chi Am Giants
62-163 (.380) in Cuban Play
1925 .241 for Chi Am Giants
43-122 (.344) in Cuban Play
1926 .371 for KC Monarchs; Holway all-star
11-31 in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
1927 .326 for Detroit Stars
1928 .333 for Detroit Stars listed as in a utility role

Career Totals
15 documented seasons as regular
856-2548 (.336) lifetime in Negro-League Play, 53 HR
mean avg. .343 in 15 seasons as regular
mean avg. .352 adj. for Chi Am Giants park
48-110 (.436) vs. major-league competition
386-1149 (.336) lifetime in Cuban Play
17-9 as pitcher

From Riley

Avgs. 1919-23 of ..325, 411, .338, .342, .412
Avg. 1926 .381
Avgs. 1927-28 .339, .320

Hit .352 in 13 Cuban Winter League seasons, with avgs. Of
.265, .337, .387, .402, .360, .296, .350, .346, .380, .344, .375, .222

Avg. vs. major-league competition, .313

WINS t-155th with 18 wins

LOSSES t-294th with 6 losses

DECISIONS t-206th with 24 decisions

WINNING PCT .750
(50 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
(25 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
(10 Decisions Minimum) 11th

ADJ PCT OF TEAM DECISIONS 5.8%
(50 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
(25 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
(10 Decisions Minimum) 329th (of 225)

WAT 69th with 3.4

WAT PER DECISION .142
(50 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
(25 Decisions Minimum) DNQ
(10 Decisions Minimum) 27th

He didn't pitch much, but when he did, he was very effective.



Hit .352 in 13 Cuban Winter League seasons, with avgs. Of
.265, .337, .387, .402, .360, .296, .350, .346, .380, .344, .375, .222

Avg. vs. major-league competition, .313

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Quincy Troupe's Mexican League Performances

Mexican Counting Stats
Year Team Age G Ab H Tb 2b 3b Hr Bb Sb
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1939 Mon 26 38 137 42 71 11 3 4 24 7
1940 Mon 27 76 276 93 150 25 7 6 48 9
1941 Mon 28 98 363 111 171 25 4 9 66 9
1942 Mex 29 70 269 98 171 27 5 12 62 20
1943 Mex 30 76 276 83 143 18 3 12 60 5
1944 Mex 31 57 197 47 82 12 1 7 40 4
1950 Jal 37 67 206 58 92 10 0 8 55 3
1951 Jal 38 63 177 45 70 6 5 3 52 2
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Total 545 1901 577 950 134 28 61 407 59

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Willie Wells Seasonal and Career Data, from Holway

Teams: 24-31 Stl Stars, 32 Det/Homestead/KC, 33-35 Cole’s Am Giants, 36-39 Newark Eagles, 40-41 Mexico, 42 Newark, 43-44 Mexico, 45 Newark, 46 several teams

1924 .263 for Stl; ss
1925 .270 for Stl; 14 sb (5th); ss
4-27 in playoff vs. KC
1926 .371 for Stl; 4th in ba, 23 hr/550 (5th); ss, all-star
1927 .380 for Stl; 5th in ba, 23 hr (1st), 34 hr/550 (3rd), 20 2b (2nd); ss, all-star, MVP
1928 .353 for Stl; 17 hr (4th), 32 hr/550 (5th), 22 2b (2nd); ss, all-star
8-25 in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
1929 .373 for Stl; 4th in ba, 27 hr (1st), 44 hr/550 (2nd), 21 sb; ss, all-star, MVP
8-16 in World Series vs. Homestead
9-22 vs. major-league competition
57-177 in Cuban play
1930 .403 for Stl; ba 2nd, 15 hr (1st), 29 hr/550 (2nd), 32 2b (1st), 17 sb (2nd); ss, all-star, MVP
1931 .263 for Stl; 5 hr (2nd), 30 hr/550 (1st); ss
3-10 vs. major-leageu competition
1932 .330 for Det, .255 for KC; 14 2b (2nd), 3 3b (4th), 7 sb (3rd); ss
2-3 vs. major-league competition (home run)
1933 .265 for Chi Am Giants; ss
1934 .264 for Chi Am Giants; 10 2b (3rd), 8 3b (1st), 3 sb (4th); ss
3-15 in playoff vs. Phi Stars
1935 .270 for Chi Am Giants; 7 sb (2nd); ss
2-4 vs. major league pitching (backed by semipro teams)
1936 .237 for Newark Eagles; ss
30-88 in Cuban Play
1937 .320 for Newark Eagles; ss
0-18 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
36-126 in Cuban Play
1938 .404 for Newark Eagles; ba 1st, 6 hr (5th), 34 hr/550 (3rd), 4 2b (5th), 3 sb (1st); ss, all-star
36-117 in Cuban Play
1939 .355 for Newark Eagles; ba 5th, 3 sb (1st); ss, all-star
1-14 in playoffs
6-20 on Homestead’s Cuban tour
63-192 in Cuban Play
1940 In Mexico
117-330, .345
1941 In Mexico, 140-403, .347; ss
In Puerto Rico, .378, 17 2b (2nd)
1942 .358 for Newark Eagles; ba 3rd, 6 hr (3rd), 24 hr/550 (3rd), 5 sb (1st); ss, all-star
1943 In Mexico
1944 In Mexico and .500 for NY Black Yankees; ss
1945 .216 for Newark Eagles; ss and manager

Career
1306-3981, .328
138 hr, 20/550 ab
41-116, .353 vs. major-league competition
Mean avg. 316

Willie Wells, Mexican League

Yr--G---AB---H--D-T-HR---R-RBI-BB-SO-HP-SH-SB-AVE-OBA-SLG
40-084-339-117-30-2-03-095--57-35-21--3-06-17-345-411-472
41-100-403-140-29-6-09-102--77-57-20--1-07-14-347-430-516
43-087-319-094-15-4-04-041--51-44-11--2-06-10-295-384-404
44-083-293-086-13-3-10-063--52-65-11--1-10-09-294-423-461

Totals
G-354
AB-1354
H-437
D-87
T-15
HR-26
R-301
RBI-237
BB-201
SO-63
HP-7
SH-29
SB-50
AVE-.323
OBA-.413
SLG-.467

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Chaney White Data

Seasonal Data from Holway

1919 no data, rookie with Hilldale Daisies; cf
1920 .094 for Hilldale; cf
2-15 in playoff vs. Bkn Royal Giants
3-24 vs. major-league competition
1921 .270 for Hilldale; cf
2-10 in playoff vs. Bacharachs
6-17 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
1922 .270 for Hilldale; lf
1923 .295 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
1924 .287 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
1925 .321 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
1926 .281 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf ;17 2b 1st in league, 4 3b 3rd
8-33 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
1927 .279 for AC Bacharach Giants; cf
5-33 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
1928 .342 for AC Bacharach Giants; rf
1929 .357 for AC Bacharach Giants; rf; 12 3b 1st in league
1930 .312 for Homestead Grays; cf
.315 for Hilldale; cf
9-38 in World Series for Grays vs. NY Lincoln Giants
1931 .272 for Phi Stars/Hilldale; cf
1932 .173 for Hilldale; cf
.240 for Bal Black Sox; ut
2-11 vs. major-league pitching
1933 .318 for Phi Stars; cf; all-star
1934 .295 for Phi Stars; cf
1935 .258 for Phi Stars; cf
1936 .410 for NY Cubans; ut

Career, calculated from Seasonal data

.286 mean avg. for 17 seasons with data
5-35 vs. major-league competition
27-113, ,239 in post-season play
1-time all star

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Here are the published numbers on Smokey Joe Williams from Riley and Holway.

Smokey Joe Williams Data

From Riley

1905-1909 (in Texas play) 28-4, 15-9, 20-8, 32-8

1911 – 10-7 in Cuban play; 22-15 lifetime in Cuba
1912 – 9-1 for Chi American Giants against PCL teams; 8-2 for NY Lincoln Giants
1913 – 18-3 for NY Lincoln Giants
1914 – 41-3 vs. all levels of competition; 12-2 vs. black teams, 100 K in 17 games, all for NY Lincoln Giants
1921 18-2 “through mid-August” for NY Lincoln Giants
1929 12-7 for Homestead Grays

20-7 vs. major-league competition, lifetime

Batting
1912-1914 Hit .320, .299, .175
1917 hits .281

From Holway

1910 3-4 for Chicago Giants, TRA 3.12 (4th in West – 4 teams, top TRA 2.00)
7 decisions out of 13 recorded for team.
1911 1-0 for Chicago Leland Giants (of 5 team decisions)
10-7 in Cuban play (Frank Wickware 10-4, Jose Mendez 9-5, Dick Redding 4-8)
1912 3-2 for NY Lincoln Giants, TRA 2.20 (9 team decisions)
9-7 in Cuban play (Dick Redding, 7-2, Jose Mendez 7-5)
2-0 vs. major-league competition (beat a Giants/Yankees mixed squad, 6-0, 6-0). May have won a third game against the Giants, 2-0
1913 12-5 for NY Lincoln Giants, TRA 3.87 (23 team decisions); Holway all-star, Holway George Stovey award
1-0 vs. major-league competition (beat Phillies & Pete Alexander, 9-2)
1914 6-4 for NY Lincoln Giants, (29 team dec.)
1-0-1 vs. major-league competition (beat Phillies, 10-4, tied Rube Marquard & a part-Giants team 1-1)
1915 2-0 for NY Lincoln Giants (5 team dec.)
Missed time due to broken arm and broken wrist
2-2 vs. major-league competition (beat Buffalo of Federal League, 3-0, lost to NY Giants, 2-4, beat the Phillies (less Gavvy Cravath), 1-0, lost to the Phillies, 2-4)
3-3 in Cuban play (Dolf Luque 12-5, Frank Wickware 2-4)
1916 5-6 for NY Lincoln Giants (19 team dec.), TRA 4.60
1-0 vs. “Major-League” competition – beat Rube Marquard, backed by a minor-league squad, 5-4.
2-1 in resort ball in Florida
1917 9-1 for NY Lincoln Giants, 3.22 TRA (of 14 team decisions); Holway All Star, George Stovey award, Fleet Walker award
1-1 vs. major league competition (beat Joe Bush & a weak, part big-league squad 6-2, lost to Bush and a stronger squad 4-10) .
1918 7-2 for NY Lincoln Giants, TRA 2.23 (19 team decisions); Holway all star, George Stovey award, Fleet Walker award
1-0 vs. major-league competition (won by forfeit while trailing 3-4 in the ninth), 4-0 vs. big-league pitchers backed by minor-league squads (8-0, 2-0, 1-0, 14-1)
1919 9-2 for NY Lincoln Giants, 2.32 TRA (of 20 team decisions); Holway all-star, George Stovey award
1920 0-3 for NY Lincoln Giants (two losses to Dick Redding; Redding pitched shutouts in both) (4 team decisions)
1921 7-1 for NY Lincoln Giants (17 team decisions); Holway all-star, George Stovey Award
1922 4-1 for NY Lincoln Giants (12 team decisions), 5.40 TRA
1923 5-4 for NY Lincoln Giants (38 team decisons)
1924 3-4 for Bkn Royal Giants (35 team decisions)
1925 2-2 for Homestead Grays (? Team decisions)
1926 1-0 for Homestead Grays (6 team decisions)
1-0 vs. major-league competition (beat AL all-star team (good team!), 6-5)
1927 2-0 for Homestead Grays (7 team decisions)
1-0 vs. major league competition (beat good AL all-star team, 5-0. Joe’s pitching was obviously good; opposing pitcher Rube Walberg was pitching his second game of the day)
1928 2-1 for Homestead Grays (13 team decisions)
1-0 vs. major-league competition (beat good AL all-star team, no box score, but Holway says he and his opponent, Rube Walberg, were “hit hard.”)
1929 8-2 for Homestead Grays (58 team decisions), 4.76 TRA
1930 7-2 for Homestead Grays (18 team decisions), 3.00 TRA
1-2 in playoff vs. Lincoln Giants (2-6, 11-3, 2-6)
1931 10-6 for Homestead Grays (65 team decisions), 2.54 TRA
0-1, 6.57 TRA in “World Series” against KC Monarchs
1932 6-2, 3.29 TRA for Homestead Grays (82 team dec)

Holway’s listed career totals
107-57, .652 wp
8-4 vs. major-league competition.

From Holway’s listed seasonal records, I count
114-52, .687 wp

10-4-1, .700 wp vs. major-league competition (counts forfeit win as a loss, doesn’t count victory against Rube Marquard & a minor-league squad, does count victory vs. Federal League team, calculates the tie as 1/2 win)

Total score in 13 games with box-scores: 64-36, so Williams’ record is pretty much in line with expectation, given the scoring.

In the 11 seasons for which Holway lists a total run average for Williams, he pitched 107 games. Treating each game as complete, Williams' career TRA comes out at 3.47. (4 of the 11 seasons are the last 4 of Williams' career.)


SMOKEY JOE WILLIAMS PLACEMENTS ON CAREER NGL LEADERBOARDS (1920-1948)

I guess this represents a little less than half of Williams's career, and, like Redding, it's not a particularly well document phase either.

WINS t-40th with 57

LOSSES t-91st with 29

DECISIONS t-55th with 86

WINNING PCT .663
(50 Decisions Minimum) 17th
(25 Decisions Minimum) 28th
(10 Decisions Minimum) 50th

ADJ PCT OF TEAM DECISIONS 23%
(50 Decisions Minimum) 30th
(25 Decisions Minimum) 42nd
(10 Decisions Minimum) 66th

WAT 31st at 7.3

WAT PER DECISION .085
(50 Decisions Minimum) 25th
(25 Decisions Minimum) 41st
(10 Decisions Minimum) 70th

APPEARANCE ON YEARLY WINS LEADERBOARDS

1921 3rd in East with 7 wins.

1922 4th in East 4 wins.

1923 6th in ECL with 5 wins.

1929 t-7th in ANL with 8 wins.

1930 4th in East with 7 wins.

1931 3rd in East with 10 wins, 5th in NgLs.

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Here's the real-life info on Artie Wilson

NEGRO LEAGUES
TM
YEAR LG TM AGE PO G G AB H TB 2B 3B HR SB BB K AVG SLG
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1944 NAL BIR 23 SS 70 65 266 92 113 9 6 0 17 .346 .425
1945 NAL BIR 24 SS 69 63 249 90 111 8 2 3 17 .361 .446
1946 NAL BIR 25 SS 37 2 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000
1947 NAL BIR 26 SS 53 212 79 100 .373 .473
1948 NAL BIR 27 SS 76 76 333 134 175 19 8 2 10 .402 .526

PCL
SD/
1949 PCL OAK 28 SS 187 165 607 211 248 19 9 0 47 62 58 .348 .409
1950 PCL OAK 29 SS 200 196 848 264 328 27 17 1 31 68 79 .311 .387
1951 PCL OAK 30 SS 168 81 349 89 99 8 1 0 6 14 36 .255 .284
1952 PCL SEA 31 SS 180 160 683 216 250 15 8 1 25 35 20 .316 .366
1953 PCL SEA 32 SS 180 177 638 212 269 23 14 2 9 76 25 .332 .422
SS/
1954 PCL SEA 33 IF 162 163 660 222 278 24 16 0 20 32 28 .336 .421
2B/
1955 PCL POR 34 1B 172 155 616 189 219 20 2 2 12 34 36 .307 .356
SEA/
1956 PCL POR 35 IF 168 101 273 80 97 9 4 0 6 24 19 .293 .355
1957 PCL SAC 36 2B 168 75 315 83 105 10 6 0 3 11 12 .263 .333
2B/
1962 PCL POR 41 3B 25 55 9 11 0 1 0 0 .164 .200

AA
IF/
1951 AA MIN 30 OF 152 17 59 23 33 2 1 2 0 13 8 .390 .559

NL SS/
1951 NL NY 30 IF 154 19 22 4 4 0 0 0 2 2 1 .182 .182

INT
1951 INT OTT 30 OF 150 2 7 2 3 1 0 0 1 .286 .429

NWL
1962 NWL KEN 41 2B 14 42 9 9 0 0 0 1 .214 .214

PRWL
1947 PRWL MAY 26 SS 60 252 102 137 .405 .542
1948 PRWL MAY 27 SS 80 338 126 163 3 9 .373 .481
1949 PRWL MAY 28 SS 77 262 87 117 .332 .445
1950 PRWL MAY 29 SS 65 232 56 83 10 1 5 2 .241 .358

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Jud Wilson Data

Seasonal Data from holway

1922 .438 for Bal Black Sox (too few ab to qualify for title); 1b; all-star
1923 .369 for Bal Black Sox; ba 3rd; 1b; all-star
1924 .381 for Bal Black Sox; ba 2nd; 1b; all-star
4-7 vs. major-league competition
1925 .419 for Bal Black Sox; ba 1st, 5 3b (5th); 1b; all-star
64-149 in Cuban Play (top in league)
1926 .351 for Bal Black Sox; ba 1st, 6 sb (3rd); 3b
1927 .416 for Bal Black Sox; ba 2nd, 10 hr (3rd), 22 hr/550 (4th), 22 2b (1st), 9 3b (2nd), 8 sb (4th); 3b; all-star (as SS??)
50-118 in Cuban Play (1st in league)
1928 .375 for Bal Black Sox; ba 4th, 13 2b (3rd); 2b; all-star (as 3b??)
3-4 vs. Major-league competition
1929 .405 for Bal Black sox; ba 5th, 11 hr (5th), 24 hr/550 (5th), 20 2b (5th), x 3b (4th); 1b (should have been all-star, but Holway gives it to Pop Lloyd)
4-8 vs. major-league competition
58-160 in Cuban Play
1930 .415 for Bal Black Sox, ba 4th, 10 2b (3rd); 3b; all-star (dh)
1931 .352 for Homestead, ba 2nd, 6 hr (3rd); 13 hr/550 (3rd), 13 2b, (4th), 5 3b (3rd); 3b
11-28 in World Series vs. Monarchs
1932 .317 for Pgh Crawfords/Homestead; ba 5th; 3b; all-star
9-28 vs. major-league competition
3-6 vs. major-league pitching (2 hr)
1933 .416 for Phi Stars; ba 2nd; 3b; all-star
1934 .333 for Phi Stars, 10 hr (5th); 1b
5-16 in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
1935 .312 for Phi Stars; 1b
1-11 vs. major-league competition
1936 .333 for Phi Stars; 10 hr (5th); 1b
1937 .351 for Phi Stars; 1b
1938 .222 for Phi Stars; 2 3b (1st); 3b
1939 .276 for Phi Stars; 9 2b (3rd); 3b
1940 .250 for Homestead; ut
1941 .454 for Homestead; 6 2b (5th); ut; all-star (3b)
1942 .243 for Homestead; 2b
2-7 in World Series vs. Monarchs
1943 .327 for Homestead; 13 3b (1st); 2b
1944 no data
1945 .400 for Homestead; ut


Career, according to Holway
1484-4188, .354
94 home runs, 12/550 ab
39-132 vs. major-league competition, 6 hr

Career data from MacMillan, 10th ed.
781 g, 2763 ab, 960 hits, 151 2b, 32 3b, 63 hr, .347 ba, .494 slg

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Nip Winters

Expert Assessments

Received 20% of expert vote for HoF in _Cool Papas_
6-time Holway all-star
5.5 times listed as best pitcher in his league by James or Holway
Ranked by Holway as #3 left-handed Negro-League pitcher of all time (I think -- don't have the book with me at work and forgot to double-check this one)

Here's the data I've gathered on Nip Winters from Holway.

Nip Winters

Negro-League Record
1920 no data, pitched for Baltimore Black Sox
1921 3-3 for AC Bach Giants, team 34-28; 0-1, 4.50 TRA in playoff vs. Hilldale; 1-0-1, 0.50 TRA in World Series vs. Chicago Am Giants
1922 7-10 for AC Bacharach Giants, team 20-24; 1-0 in World Series vs. Chi Am Giants
1923 10-3, TRA 3.03 for Phi Hilldales, team 32-17; GSA, All-Star
1924 27-4 for Phi Hilldales, team 58-23; GSA, All-star; 3-1, 1.16 ERA in WS vs. Monarchs
1925 21-13, TRA 3.88 for Phi Hilldales, team 65-26, all-star; 1-0, 3.00 TRA? In WS vs. Monarchs
1926 23-4, 2.23 TRA for Phi Hilldales, team 58-34; GSA, all-star
1927 18-16, 2.96 TRA for Phi Hilldales, team 47-70; all-star
1928 10-11 for Phi Hilldales & NY Lincoln Giants, teams 26-27, 17-21
1929 2-4 for NY Lincoln Giants, team 38-18
1930 No data, may not have pitched for a top team
1931 1-2 for Phi/Hilldale Stars, team 44-16
1-1 for Nwk Browns, team 3-9
0-2 for NY Bacharach Giants, team 0-4
pitched for Was Potomacs, no record
1932 1-2 for Was Pilots, team 16-35
1933 no data, pitched for AC Bacharach Giants, who were not in league

Totals
124-75, .623
Holway lists 126-74, .630

Teams 405-309, .567
Teams without Winters, 281-234, .546
Record adj. to .500 teams behind him 115-84, .577


Vs. Major-League competition
1923 2-1 vs. Phil Athletics
1926 2-0 vs. All-Star team (a good one), lp Lefty Grove, Rube Walberg

NIP WINTERS PLACEMENTS ON CAREER NGL LEADERBOARDS

WINS 8th with 127 wins.

LOSSES 7th with 79 losses.

DECISIONS 8th with 208 decisions.

WINNING PCT .617
(50 Decisions Minimum) 29th
(25 Decisions Minimum) 48th
(10 Decisions Minimum) 81st

ADJ PCT OF TEAM DECISIONS 28.5%
(50 Decisions Minimum) 8th
(25 Decisions Minimum) 12th
(10 Decisions Minimum) 24th

WAT 6th with 18.1 WAT

WAT PER DECISION .088
(50 Decisions Minimum) 23rd
(25 Decisions Minimum) 39rd
(10 Decisions Minimum) 66th

RANKINGS ON YEARLY WINS LEADERBOARDS

1922 2nd in East with 6 wins.

1923 Led ECL with 10 wins (tied), 5th in NgLs.

1924 Led ECL and NgLs with 27 wins.

1925 Led ECL and NgLs with 21 wins.

1926 2nd in ECL and NgLs with 23 wins.

1927 t-2nd in ECL with 18 wins, t-3rd in NgLs.

1928 t-3rd in ECL with 10 wins, t-7th in NgLs.

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Wild Bill Wright Data

From Riley

Born June 6, 1914

Teams: Elite Giants of Nashville (1932-34), of Columbus (1935), of Washington (36-37), of Baltimore (1938-39, 42, 45). In Mexico, 1940-41, 43-44, 46-56

From Holway

1932 .300; cf
1933 .328, rf
1934 .252, 3 3b (5th in league); cf
1935 .298; lf
1936 .356, 7 3b (1st); lf, all-star
1937 .370 (5th), 10 hr (3rd), 29 hr/550 (4th) , 8 2b (2nd), 5 3b (1st); cf, all-star
1938 .273, 5 2b (2nd), 3 sb (1st); cf
1939 .398 (2nd), 4 3b (1st), 2 sb (2nd); lf, all-star
1940 .360 in Mexico, 3rd in ba
1941 .390 in Mexico, 1st in ba, 17 hr (3rd), 24 hr/550 (3rd), 26 sb (1st)
1942 .273, 8 2b (3rd); rf
1943 In Mexico, no data in Holway
1944 In Mexico, no data in Holway (he says no Americans went to Mexico, but he’s incorrect)
1945 .397, 3rd in ba, 5 hr (2nd), 21 hr/550 (2nd), 9 2b (1st); cf, all-star
1946-on All play in Mexico

career
488-1429, .341
11-39, .282 vs. major-league competition
.332 mean avg., including listed Mexican seasons

career data from Macmillan 8th
251 g, 915 ab, 287 hits, 33 2b, 21 3b, 20 hr, 22 sb, .314 ba, .461 sa

Mexican League Info for Wild Bill Wright.

LG LG LG
YEAR TEAM G AB AVG OBP SLG AVG SLG OBP OPS+
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1940 SR/MX 87 350 .360 .436 .571 .290 .420 .379 151
1941 MEX 100 387 .390 .486 .633 .288 .396 .390 184
1943 MEX 88 352 .366 .419 .577 .273 .367 .366 172
1944 MEX 87 334 .335 .410 .539 .284 .387 .380 147
1946 MEX 85 316 .301 .369 .434 .281 .381 .362 116
1947 MEX 79 249 .305 .359 .414 .278 .366 .363 112
1948 MON 66 258 .333 .377 .419 .273 .378 .364 114
1949 MEX/TOR 73 293 .276 .333 .416 .276 .369 .370 103
1950 MEX 63 248 .302 .364 .375 .260 .335 .361 113
1951 MEX/NUE 30 104 .365 .416 .558 .272 .367 .384 160
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TOTAL 758 2891 .335 .402 .501 .279 .379 .372 140

MEXICAN LEAGUE CAREER RELATIVE AVERAGES
AVG+ = 120
OBP+ = 108
SLG+ = 132
OPS+ = 140


Some quick notes:
1) Wright was born in 1914, per Riley and confirmed by Cisneros, so these seasons represent his age 26-37 seasons.

2) I do not have any park factors available for these seasons, so you're seeing unadjusted numbers.

3) The AVG and SLG for each season are based on pitcher-excluded batting totals, as are the OBP data for seasons 1939 and 1948-1951. Due to time constraints (I'm going to a wedding and moving in the next five days) I used BB data that was already available in the Re-eval NgL Pitchers thread, basing my calcultions on BB/H because it proves easier to use that combo than any others when I have to extrapolate walk rates into NgL seasons.

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Pitching Leader Boards

These leader boards are a bit preliminary because I've still have got a few identity questions to resolve and some data-neatening to do (they look pretty rough, I know), but I think I'm close enough along that it won't make a tremendous difference. Also, I don't know if I'll finish it by Monday, so I figured better to post now. If/when any of these change, I'll repost.

Remember, everything is based on Holway's data except where Gary has kindly supplied new data. That means only U.S. league and regional data is supplied for the years 1920-1948. (I may return to the pre-league years in the near future, no promises). This also includes data for the 1931 Negro Southern League because a) Holway supplied complete W-L data and b) a lot of top players were in the league that year. Holway's published career data often conflicts with itself (as Chris and Gary have recently pointed out), and I'm basing % of team decisions strictly on the sum of individual pitchers' wins and losses.

Top 25ish totals are shown for each leaderboard.

PRELIMINARY CAREER LEADER-BOARD LISTS

WINS
brown, ray …………………158
paige, satchel ………154
bell, william …………145
foster, bill ……………144
rogan, bullet …………144
byrd, bill …………………133
cooper, andy ……………130
winters, nip ……………127
holland, bill …………118
mcdonald, webster 117
…
LOSSES
holland, bill ……………105
mcdonald, webster …96
paige, satchel …………93
byrd, bill ……………………84
yokely, laymon …………80
…
DECISIONS
paige, satchel ………247
holland, bill …………223
byrd, bill …………………217
brown, ray …………………214
foster, bill ……………214
…
WAT (wins above team)
brown, ray …………………32.75639
cooper, andy ……………21.75161
salmon, harry …………21.63823
byrd, bill …………………18.98093
foster, bill ……………18.9751
winters, nip ……………18.1168
paige, satchel ………17.75274
mchenry, henry ………16.07841
rogan, bullet …………13.7111
rector, connie ………13.63975

[WJackman]

Some partial stats for Baseball's greatest unknown - Cannonball Bill Jackman.

1925: 15-2 record in known games for the Philadelphia Giants. Victories over major league pitchers Buck O'Brien (2), King Bader and Earl Hanson. No decisions or saves versus major league pitchers Bump Hadley, Chippy Gaw and Cy Morgan.

1926: 14-6 in known games for the Philadelphia Giants. Victories over major league pitchers Haskell Billings and King Bader. 2-0 record versus Class B New England League teams. 14-strikeout game versus top semi-pro team. 2-hit shutout and 14 K game versus Cape Cod League (with major leaguers) All-Star team.

1927: 18-6 record in known games for the Philadelphia Giants. 3-0 versus opposing pitchers with big league time. 16-K game versus a semi-pro team that had 7 players in the lineup with big league time. 10 or more strikeouts in 7 of 22 known starts.

1928: 12-8 record in known games for Philadelphia Giants. Tossed 3-hit shutout versus Pop Lloyd-lead Lincoln Giants and 2-hit shutout versus Boston Colored Tigers. Lost a one-hitter with 12 K's versus Cape Cod League All-Star team. 3-2 record versus Cape Cod League teams and 1-4 record versus Lincoln Giants. Note that players with professional experience, including many with big league time, were eligible and did play in the Cape Cod League up through 1934.

1929: 16-7 record in known games for the Philadelphia Giants. 0-1 versus Lincoln Giants and 1-0 versus Brooklyn Cubans. Pitched perfect game versus the Philadelphia Red Caps. 15-K, 3-hit shutout versus Cape Cod League all-star team in which Vito Tamulis was the opposing pitcher. Also had 14-K game while pitching for the East Douglas team in the Blackstone Valley League where future major league Hank Greenberg was his first baseman and Gene Desautels was his catcher.


Keep in mind this data just reflects a small portion of Jackman's career, and that he pitched professionally from 1917 to 1952.

Schoolboy Johnny Taylor tossed a no-hitter verus Satchel Paige in the Polo Grounds in 1937. A few years earlier Taylor beat Jackman, 5-4 in 22 innings. In 1938 Taylor told the Boston Chronicle that he win versus Jackman, and not his no-hitter versus Paige, was his biggest accomplishment to date. He also called Jackman a "smarter" pitcher than Paige.

[jalbright]

Some pitching data from Shades of Glory (from the HOF's study of Negro League stats for the recently elected class of Negro Leaguers).

Please note that the data begins in 1920 and is limited to the American Negro Leagues (not Mexico or the winter leagues), so I won't report Joe Williams because the best of his career was already over. I've also taken the career data and translated it to 275 IP. I used the ERA and winning percentage from the book, rather than calculating it from the data presented.

 Name  	      games     GS  	CG  	IP  	hits  	runs  	ER  	ERA  	K  	BB  	WP  	HB  	SV  	W  	 L  	 Pct   name
Leon Day 	44 	35 	21 	275.0 	235 	138 	91 	2.98 	154 	83 	1 	4 	3 	20 	10 	.661   Leon Day
Bill Foster 	43 	30 	24 	275.0 	225 	103 	73 	2.40 	150 	76 	2 	5 	3 	21 	10 	.675   Bill Foster
Satchel Paige 	48 	36 	20 	275.0 	215 	101 	62 	2.02 	225 	46 	3 	3 	2 	19 	11 	.628   Satchel Paige
Hilton Smith 	49 	28 	18 	275.0 	228 	103 	52 	1.68 	159 	33 	2 	4 	2 	24 	11 	.696   Hilton Smith

[jalbright]

I'll try my two pitcher-hitters, Martin Dihigo and Bullet Joe Rogan. The caveats from the previous post about this material only being from post 1920 American summer Negro Leagues and that pitchers are converted to 275 IP hold here. I've also done hitting on a 550 AB basis. ERA, winning percentage, average and slugging are taken from the book rather than calculated from this converted career data.

Name         games GS  CG      IP   hits  runs  ER  ERA     K   BB  WP  HB  SV  W    L   Pct   Name
Martin Dihigo  43    29   23  275.0  247  122   89  2.92  137  62    2    3    2  20  15  .578  Martin Dihigo
Joe Rogan      40    29   25  275.0  294  112  79   2.59  162  69    5    2    3  22  10  .699  Joe Rogan

Name           AB  runs  hits  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  Sac  SB  avg    obp  slg     Name
Martin Dihigo  550  114  169  24   7  25    89  56    8    16  .307  .371  .511  Martin Dihigo
Joe Rogan      550   99  186  28  16  12    68  66    15    28  .338  .409  .515  Joe Rogan

[jalbright]

Some hitting data from Shades of Glory, with career numbers from 1920 (the earliest year of stats given in the book) modified to 550 AB. Average and slugging percentages come from the book rather than calculated from the converted numbers. Also, please note these stats come only from the American Negro Leagues, not winter leagues or Mexico.

Since I initially didn't get it to display very well (at least IMO), I've attached a word document with the same info.

Name                 AB runs  hits 2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  Sac  SB  avg  obp  slg  Name
Cool Papa Bell      550  118  175  25   8   6   38  54   7  23  .317  .379  .425  Cool Papa Bell
Oscar Charleston----550  127  192  34  11  23   91  74  13  33  .348  .425  .576  Oscar Charleston
Ray Dandridge-------550   81  174  22   9   2   41  29   2  12  .315  .351  .400  Ray Dandridge
Josh Gibson         550  138  197  32  12  34  128  75   2   7  .359  .435  .648  Josh Gibson
Monte Irvin         550  117  197  32   8  22  137  53   9  14  .358  .415  .564  Monte Irvin
Judy Johnson        550   88  161  23   9   5   54  29  10  12  .293  .328  .395  Judy Johnson
Buck Leonard        550  132  176  27  10  22  103  96  12   9  .320  .421  .527  Buck Leonard
Pop Lloyd           550   99  189  28   6   6   53  46  15  19  .343  .394  .450  Pop Lloyd
Turkey Stearnes     550  112  190  32  16  29  113  61   7  20  .345  .411  .618  Turkey Stearnes
Willie Wells        550  123  175  33   8  19    7  66  11  19  .319  .391  .510  Willie Wells

[jalbright]

I can get the HTML to display correctly at home, but not in the post. What gives?

[jalbright]

Thanks to Ubi and SABR Matt, I've got the data displayed halfway decently.

[Skin & Bones]

This is some fantastic data on these players. Best I've seen so far. Thanks for sharing.

[mtortolero]

Josh Gibson Data

Seasonal data from Holway

....
1940 .167 for Homestead, part-season only
1940 In Mexico, 43-92, .467, 11 hr (2nd), 65 hr/550 (1st)
1941 In Mexico, 134-368, .374 (2nd); 33 hr (1st), 49 hr/550 (1st)
. Major-league competition, 2 hr

Gibson has some Cuban play, I think, and a number of winter seasons in Puerto Rico, for which data is also available, and I’m sure there are better stats available for his Mexican League seasons, but this is good for a start.


His Cuban record consisted of two seasons:

1937-38 - Habana (apparently signed late in season)
61 AB, 11 R, 21 H, 3 2B, 2 3B, 3 HR, 13 RBI, .344

1938-39 - Santa Clara (won pennant)
163 AB, 50 R, 58 H, 7 2B, 3 3B, 11 HR, 39 RBI, 2 SB, .356

Led league in runs and HR. Set season record in HR. (I'm not sure what the previous record was, but thumbing through the book the highest earlier total I could find was 7 by Mule Suttles. The Cuban ballparks prior to 1942 were huge -- the main park in Havana, La Tropical, was listed as 498 to left, 505 to center, and 398 to right.)

Josh Gibson's Mexican League batting (he joined Veracruz late in the season, but was still only only 1 HR behind the league leader, Cool Papa Bell):

1940
G-22
AB-92
H-43
D-7
T-4
HR-11
R-32
RBI-38
BB-16
SO-6
HP-0
SH-0
SB-3
AVE-.467
OBA-.565
SLG-.989

And 1941, also with Veracruz:
G-94
AB-358
H-134
D-31
T-3
HR-33
R-100
RBI-124
BB-75
SO-25
HP-1
SH-0
SB-7
AVE-.374
OBA-.484
SLG-.754

Totals:
G-116
AB-450
H-177
D-38
T-7
HR-44
R-132
RBI-162
BB-91
SO-31
HP-1
SH-0
SB-10
AVE-.393
OBA-.496
SLG-.802

There's also his Dominican League stats from 1937, from Holway, which I think nobody's mentioned. Gibson hit 24 for 53 (.453). Next highest was Clyde Spearman, at .352, then Dihigo at .351 (in 97 ABs). Holway doesn't give extra base hits, or anything else.

Joshua "Trucutru" Gibson played baseball in Venezuela in 1940 and 1941 in our prior profesional league. He is mentioned as the player with the longest homerun in our baseball, around 570 ft which go out from San Agustin Stadium, crossed one street and land in the backyards of a auto repair garage.
In fact there is similar story in Dominican Republic with a homerun hit in a park beside the sea that landed in a ship property of the dictator Trujillo.
There is not much stats regarding our championships in those times but Gibson is well remember (and beloved) for people who saw him playing here.

[jalbright]

Minnie Minoso

The best data I have is from The Negro Leagues Book by Dick Clark and Larry Lester. There are two Negro League seasons without data. I also provided the Cuban Winter League data. Remember, Negro League seasons were often short. We also do not have walk data here, so it's hard to determine just how good he was. Nevertheless, it's clear he wasn't overwhelming in these seasons before he got himself established in the majors.

Year	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	SLG
1945	….	….	….	….	….	….	….	….	….	….	….
1946	33	123	22	32	7	3	3	16	1	0.260	0.439
1947	55	228	56	67	14	0	3	…	7	0.294	0.395
1948	….	….	….	….	….	….	….	….	….	….	….
totals	88	351	78	99	21	3	6	16	8	0.260	0.410
per 550 AB	550	34	50	11	5	5	25	2	0.260	0.410

Cuba											
45-46	37	143	14	42	7	2	0	13	5	0.294	0.371
46-47	64	253	36	63	9	5	0	20	7	0.249	0.324
47-48	70	270	43	77	15	13	1	36	7	0.285	0.448
48-49	69	260	42	69	8	5	4	27	9	0.265	0.381
49-50	didn't	play	(?)								
50-51	66	252	54	81	12	6	4	41	10	0.321	0.464
totals	306	1178	189	332	51	31	9	137	38	0.265	0.401
per 550 AB	550	20	32	4	2	2	13	4	0.265	0.401