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  • bigdaddyvladdy
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    • Jun 2006
    • 15

    6 ways to get on base without a hit?

    There are 6 ways to get on base can you name them all. No cheating. And yes a intentionally walk and a walk are count as the same.
  • ElHalo
    Greek God of Baseball
    • Oct 2003
    • 4429

    #2
    There's actually seven.

    1. Dropped third strike.
    2. Walk.
    3. HBP.
    4. Error.
    5. Fielder's choice.
    6. Catcher's interference.
    7. Inserted as a pinch runner.
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    • bluezebra
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      • Jan 2000
      • 1455

      #3
      Originally posted by ElHalo
      There's actually seven.

      1. Dropped third strike.
      2. Walk.
      3. HBP.
      4. Error.
      5. Fielder's choice.
      6. Catcher's interference.
      7. Inserted as a pinch runner.
      You only named four, technically speaking.

      5..You're just replacing another runner.
      6..Ditto.
      7..Catcher's interference is an error.
      1..The proper term is "Third strike not caught".


      Bob
      Last edited by bluezebra; 07-12-2006, 08:15 PM.

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      • bhss89
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        • Mar 2004
        • 1040

        #4
        Originally posted by bluezebra
        You only named four, technically speaking.

        5..You're just replacing another runner.
        6..Ditto.
        7..Catcher's interference is an error.
        1..The proper term is "Third strike not caught".


        Bob
        Not arguing, just confused . . . I realize that after interfering with a batter's swing a catcher is charged with an error, but isn't that play still ruled (and marked into the scorebook) as "Catcher's Interference"? If true, then an error and CI would be two distinct and independent ways for a batter to reach base.
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        • Brooklyn
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          • Jan 2000
          • 2590

          #5
          Originally posted by Outta Here
          Quick Question...

          Does a streak like O. Cabrera's (consecutive games reached base) still count if you get on with a F.Choice???
          no, it doesn't

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          • soberdennis
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            • May 2006
            • 1883

            #6
            Originally posted by Outta Here
            Quick Question...

            Does a streak like O. Cabrera's (consecutive games reached base) still count if you get on with a F.Choice???
            A hitting streak ends when a player does not get a hit in a game he makes a plate appearance. But if he walks or sacrifice bunts or HBP, the streak will continue. A Sacrifice fly would end the streak because he was trying to get a hit. Same with a fielder's choice.
            As for Cabrera's streak, I do not know why it would not count. He did reach base. Maybe someone could expound on why it would not count on a fielder's choice.

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            • Captain Cold Nose
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              • Jan 2000
              • 21031

              #7
              Is it July already? Seems like only a month or so since we've seen this question. Or has it been two?
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              • brett
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                • Jul 2006
                • 13934

                #8
                Originally posted by Outta Here
                Quick Question...

                Does a streak like O. Cabrera's (consecutive games reached base) still count if you get on with a F.Choice???
                Does a hitting streak end if you draw walks on 3 plate appearances and a catcher's interference on the 4th? (I'd assume not if it wasn't a plate appearance).

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                • brett
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                  • Jul 2006
                  • 13934

                  #9
                  Originally posted by soberdennis
                  A hitting streak ends when a player does not get a hit in a game he makes a plate appearance. But if he walks or sacrifice bunts or HBP, the streak will continue. A Sacrifice fly would end the streak because he was trying to get a hit. Same with a fielder's choice.
                  As for Cabrera's streak, I do not know why it would not count. He did reach base. Maybe someone could expound on why it would not count on a fielder's choice.
                  Here's one. First, if a player is at bat when the winning run scores from 3rd, does the batter get an RBI?

                  If so, there is one way to earn an RBI without a plate appearance.

                  Second, if a batter is replaced in the middle of an at-bat, and has walks in all of his other at bats, would that end a hitting streak?

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                  • Utter Chaos
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 1645

                    #10
                    Originally posted by bluezebra
                    You only named four, technically speaking.

                    5..You're just replacing another runner.

                    Bob
                    You don't necessarily have to replace a runner on a fielder's choice. Say there's a runner on second and the batter hits it back to the pitcher. The pitcher tries to get the runner going to third but is too late. The batter gets to first on a fielder's choice but is not replacing a runner because the runner is safe at third.

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                    • Ribeye
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 1

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Outta Here
                      Quick Question...

                      Does a streak like O. Cabrera's (consecutive games reached base) still count if you get on with a F.Choice???
                      The proper term for Cabrera's streak is "reached base safely by a hit, walk, or hit by pitch". This, by explicit definition, excludes Fielder's Choice.

                      From Angels website News:
                      SEATTLE -- Orlando Cabrera entered Tuesday with a streak on the line.
                      In the last 60 games, the Angels shortstop had reached base safely by a hit, walk or hit by pitch. Cabrera carried the suspense into the sixth inning when he hit a clean RBI single past Adrian Beltre to extend the streak to 61 games.

                      While there is some uncertainty about where it ranks exactly in streaks of that nature, the Angels believe it has had a positive impact on the club.

                      "On-base percentage is huge for our club and his ability to get on base during this streak has been remarkable," manager Mike Scioscia said. "It is one thing that is mostly a team-oriented goal. I know that if Orlando had a guy on base and he had a chance to move him over to sacrifice the streak, he would."

                      The streak is somewhat murky. Elias Sports Bureau has Ted Williams with the Major League record of 84 straight games set in 1949. They also know that Cabrera's streak is the longest since 1960, having passed Barry Bonds' mark of 58 straight games set in 2003. But precisely where Cabrera falls behind Williams is still being researched.


                      However, back to the original question, "get on base" includes fielder's choice. And Bob, if you're going to be so proper about the term for dropped third strike, you can also be more proper with reading the question. Fielder's Choice is a way of reaching base. Period. There's nothing in the question that excludes replacing another runner. It may not help your team in any way and it may even produce an out, but the question was "ways to get on base without a hit"; it doesn't matter....
                      Last edited by Ribeye; 07-14-2006, 10:25 AM.

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                      • Utter Chaos
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                        • Sep 2003
                        • 1645

                        #12
                        The batter is not charged an at bat on catcher's interference.

                        AB - At Bats
                        A batter is charged with an at-bat when he makes an out (unless credited with a sacrifice bunt or sacrifice fly), or reaches base on a base hit, on a fielding error or on a fielder's choice. A batter is not charged with an at-bat if he is credited with a walk or hit by pitch, or reaches base on catcher's interference..

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                        • bluezebra
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                          • Jan 2000
                          • 1455

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Utter Chaos
                          You don't necessarily have to replace a runner on a fielder's choice. Say there's a runner on second and the batter hits it back to the pitcher. The pitcher tries to get the runner going to third but is too late. The batter gets to first on a fielder's choice but is not replacing a runner because the runner is safe at third.
                          Thank you. For some reason I didn't think of that scenario. I will lash myself with a copy of Rule 10.

                          Bob

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                          • Utter Chaos
                            Registered User
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 1645

                            #14
                            The ways a batter can reach base without a hit depends on if you're talking about offensive scoring or defensive scoring.

                            OFFENSIVE (these are all scored differently for the batter by the official scorer)
                            1. Strikeout - third strike not caught
                            2. Walk (including intentional)
                            3. HBP
                            4. Error (with a charged at bat)
                            5. Catcher Interference (error with no charged at bat)
                            6. Fielder's choice
                            7. Sac Fly dropped by a fielder
                            8. Sac Bunt with an error

                            DEFENSIVE (these are all scored differently for the defense)
                            1. Strikeout with a passed ball
                            2. Strikeout with a wild pitch
                            3. Walk (including intentional)
                            4. HBP
                            5. Error (includes catcher's interference, sac flies, and sac bunts)
                            6. Fielders Choice

                            COMBINING THE TWO YIELDS ONLY 5 WAYS FOR THE BATTER TO REACH FIRST:
                            1. Strikeout
                            2. Walk
                            3. HBP
                            4. Error
                            5. Fielders Choice

                            I did not inlcude pinch runner because it's ways a BATTER can reach base

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                            • Sliding Billy
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 588

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ElHalo
                              There's actually seven. . . .
                              7. Inserted as a pinch runner.
                              So I guess Herb Washington holds the record for most consecutive games on base?
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