Trades/Rumors before trade deadline

**RichardLikeWhoa** · 07-18-2006, 10:46 PM

Do you guys think anything will happen before the deadline?

Anyone heard any trade/rumor talk?

**EvanAparra** · 07-18-2006, 11:11 PM

A Julian Tavarez to Colorado might be happining...supposedly they are interested in Seanez....apparently they want to fix our problems. Ryan Shealy might be headed our way.

I dont know about a SP...if we are going to go after some SP...i hope its not Lieber or something to that effect... I'd rather throw Snyder out there than someone we all know is not going to be effective.

Tom Gordon is also being talked about...i think this would be a very good move for the sox. hope it happens.

**FlashGordon** · 07-19-2006, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by warbuxpr

Tom Gordon is also being talked about...i think this would be a very good move for the sox. hope it happens.

That would make Stephen King and me very happy.

**Jager** · 07-19-2006, 11:54 AM

I've heard rumors of Paul Byrd of the Indians being available, and I'd love to get him. I think we need a starter, especially if Wake is going to be out for a while.

**RichardLikeWhoa** · 07-19-2006, 05:19 PM

anymore????

**RedSoxVT92** · 07-19-2006, 06:33 PM

Theres rumors that they may trade Willy Mo for a pitcher.

There are some pitchers that are being talked about. The Twins Kyle Lohse, Diamondbacks Miguel Batista and Indians Jake Westbrook. But you never know with rumors.

**Geaux Sox** · 07-20-2006, 08:42 AM

There's no doubt the biggest need is another SP, especially since Wake is on the DL. No need to trade the future though.

Other SP that have been thrown around...Maddux, Smoltz, and Willis.

**Jager** · 07-20-2006, 10:11 AM

There is no way they trade Wily Mo for a pitcher. Not a chance. Especially when any pitcher that we would get would probably not be as good as Arroyo, it would be like admitting that they screwed up, which I don't think they did. Pena is going to be good, and they made that trade for the future. I do hope we get a pitcher, but make a smart deal.

**SoxSon** · 07-20-2006, 10:17 AM

If they trade Pena for a starting pitcher, I give up.

**Geaux Sox** · 07-21-2006, 08:09 AM

New rumors on WEEI...

Lowell for Peavy

**Erik Bedard** · 07-21-2006, 09:31 AM

That doesn't sound like that bad of a deal to me...

**Evangelion** · 07-21-2006, 03:39 PM

Why would Gordon be traded? I thought he left NY to close, then to be just traded just to become a setup man a few months later?

Other SP that have been thrown around...Maddux, Smoltz, and Willis.

Smoltz is not on the market. The Braves are contending the trade for Wickman proves their intentions for this season. Forget obtain Smoltz, because it's no longer happening.

Willis being move seem very unlikely.

No thanks on Maddux coming to AL.

What would I like? I wouldn't oppose the deal to bring Shealy to Boston for 1B, if they are able to deal Lowell, but I don't want to deal Lowell for junk, which I'm afraid might happen. Peavy would be excellent, but there's no way the Padres would trade Peavy. He's just got too much talent. Despite all the struggles, his K total is still extremely high this season, so forget it.

Though, if could happen, I love Peavy for Lowell. Shealy at 1B and Youkillis back at 3B. That would be awesome, but I doubt it's happening.

Realistic view? No trade is the best move to make. Throw Synder and the rest of the SP we have into the rotation to hold out until Wakefield, Clement and Wells can come back.

**Kdub Red Sox Fan 4Life** · 07-22-2006, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Geaux Sox

New rumors on WEEI...

Lowell for Peavy

I'd do that in a heartbeat.

A good young starter in exchange for a guy who the Sox had to take in the Beckett deal. To me that's a no brainer.

Sure, there is a degree of risk, Peavy is struggling through a shoulder injury which has made him ineffective, 4-10 5.15 ERA. Yet he has a 4 to 1 strikeout to walk ratio, 128K 33BB.

I would view this possible trade much like the Arroyo for Pena deal. Something that won't necessarily pay immediate dividends, but could be huge in the future.

Peavy is only 25 and when his shoulder problem gets resolved, still has a huge upside. He might not help the Sox that much, if at all this year, but could be part of a solid young staff of starters in years to come.

Beckett, Lester, Papelbon, Peavy. Intriguing to say the least.

**FlashGordon** · 07-23-2006, 09:14 AM

This is one that has been tossed around for a while. Nick Cafardo in today's Boston Globe toys with the possibility of trading Wily Mo Pena for a starter or some other pitching help. He is careful not to condemn the trade that sent Bronson to the Reds, but he does seem to understand why some do.

**Mariano_Rivera** · 07-23-2006, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Geaux Sox

New rumors on WEEI...

Lowell for Peavy

Unlikely to say the least, the padres would have to be a fool to do that.

**SwissRedSoxFan** · 07-23-2006, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rickey_Henderson

Unlikely to say the least, the padres would have to be a fool to do that.

They were already stupid to trade Loretta for Mirabelli...

**RichardLikeWhoa** · 07-23-2006, 02:23 PM

On baseball tonight I saw that Wily Mo Pena is in trade talks.

they didn't say where he would go but the return would be a SP
if he is traded.

**SoxSon** · 07-23-2006, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by RichardLikeWhoa

On baseball tonight I saw that Wily Mo Pena is in trade talks.

they didn't say where he would go but the return would be a SP
if he is traded.

I can't even believe it.

**-Kyle-** · 07-23-2006, 05:45 PM

Me neither, the need to stay contending doesn't mean to give up young, raw powered, righty hitter.

**Honus Wagner** · 07-23-2006, 06:11 PM

If the Peavy-Lowell deal goes through--I don't see why the Padres would trade away their future, especially in a weak division--then Wily Mo stays put or goes to Pittsburgh for some type of deal involving Kip Wells or Mike Gonzalez and Sean Casey.

Youk would go to 3rd
Loretta would go the 1st (Kapler could play there too)
Pedroia would be called up to play 2nd

If the Sox get Peavy and Mike Gonzalez and Sean Casey then the Arroyo fiasco would be easier to forget.

Non-Sox fans don't understand that Arroyo was a huge favorite due to his youthful exuberance, quirkiness and unkept look...his music was taking off too...maybe he wasn't as good as someone like Bill Lee, but he did win 24 games over the previous 2 seasons - pretty good for a 5th-type starter.

And with Wily Mo, will he be a RH David Ortiz/Ryan Howard or more like Jesse Barfield/Cliff Johnson?

**-Kyle-** · 07-23-2006, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Honus Wagner

If the Peavy-Lowell deal goes through--I don't see why the Padres would trade away their future, especially in a weak division--then Wily Mo stays put or goes to Pittsburgh for some type of deal involving Kip Wells or Mike Gonzalez and Sean Casey.

Youk would go to 3rd
Loretta would go the 1st (Kapler could play there too)
Pedroia would be called up to play 2nd

If the Sox get Peavy and Mike Gonzalez and Sean Casey then the Arroyo fiasco would be easier to forget.

Non-Sox fans don't understand that Arroyo was a huge favorite due to his youthful exuberance, quirkiness and unkempt look...his music was taking off too...maybe he wasn't as good as someone like Bill Lee, but he did win 24 games over the previous 2 seasons - pretty good for a 5th-type starter.

And with Wily Mo, will he be a RH David Ortiz/Ryan Howard or more like Jesse Barfield/Cliff Johnson?

Lorreta could stay at second, and Pena could move to first if we resign Nixon.

**Honus Wagner** · 07-23-2006, 09:18 PM

for this year, i don't think pena could learn 1b fast enough...and saturday's game shows that ortiz should only play 1b in the NL park during the WS

**Evangelion** · 07-24-2006, 04:37 AM

Everyone love what they're seeing from Pena at the plate, but you want him playing RF in Fenway Park, one of the toughest parks to play RF. I doubt he'll become a good RF, so am I against the idea of trading him? No, but am I against the idea of getting a medicore SP for him? Without a doubt.

If they trade Pena for a SP, it will likely be a medicore level SP, because that's the only type of SP on the market.

Like I have said, the best move is making no move at all.

**FlashGordon** · 07-24-2006, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Evangelion

Everyone love what they're seeing from Pena at the plate, but you want him playing RF in Fenway Park, one of the toughest parks to play RF. I doubt he'll become a good RF, so am I against the idea of trading him? No, but am I against the idea of getting a medicore SP for him? Without a doubt.

If they trade Pena for a SP, it will likely be a medicore level SP, because that's the only type of SP on the market.

Like I have said, the best move is making no move at all.

Here are a couple nuggets from the Boston Globe, reposted at Si.com in their trade rumors section:

The tools that attracted Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein and his staff to Wily Mo Peña are the same tools that have teams that are out of contention eyeing Peña now. The Indians are looking for a righthanded corner outfielder with power. They could part with Jake Westbrook or Paul Byrd.
-- Boston Globe

Curt Schilling said he believes the Red Sox are trying to trade for more pitching, but predicted that if general manager Theo Epstein makes a deal, it will probably be for a fourth- or fifth-type starter rather than a front-line pitcher.
-- Boston Globe

If something like that happens with Peña as the trade bait, I'll claim vindication...but it won't make me any happier.