Page 3 of 18 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 60 of 348

Thread: Why is Joe Dimaggio in the HOF?

  1. #41
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    1,906
    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerfan66
    joe was never deemed a great defensive cf.........so thats a non factor

    again who knows the numbers he would of put up...theres no tellin...so credit isnt earned
    Are you suggesting that we should not give Williams credit for missing 5 years due to war. Everyone else does. And I am not suggesting Ted does not belong in the Hall.

    Welcome back ARod. Hope you are a Yankee forever.
    Phil Rizzuto-a Yankee forever.

    Holy Cow

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerfan66
    Matts studies show joe as the 26th best of all-time....not really great........

    better cf's, cobb, mays, mantle, speaker, charleston, griffey jr, williams, and a few others that i dont remember

    he never walked more than 80x a year....under a .398 obp in an offensive environment, and a low slugging for a supposed legend...............

    Low slugging? He's 11th all time.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Murderers Row
    Low slugging? He's 11th all time.

    i didnt realize that.......i would of tought a .600 slg impressive

  4. #44
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    711
    So you have him top 10 among CFs, yet you don't think he is hall worthy?

    How many players at each position do you think should be in the hall? 5? Get real.

  5. #45
    I think Dodger Fan is bitter over the fact that the Yankees beat his Dodgers every year when DiMaggio was playing.

  6. #46
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    25,747
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerfan66
    2 things on that

    we really cant give credit for what didnt happen..its not fair to other players to perform...its like takin joe schmo from the street and projecting his major league numbers...no credit should be earned

    also

    his last season in 1942 showed a decline for joe...so he may have actually saved 3 bad seasons by goin to war......in 1942 he hit only .305/21/114 his worst season to date.....
    This is a weak argument. Joe D was a great player in 1943-45. It just happened that that because of circumstances out of his control he was unable to play major league baseball. Your Jo Schmo analogy doesn't hold water because Joe D did play in the majors and Joe Schmo didn't. Most players have "off" years. You can't use his 1942 season as "evidence" that Joe was in decline because when he came back from WW II he several excellent seasons.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerfan66
    i didnt realize that.......i would of tought a .600 slg impressive
    Only 6 people in the history of baseball have a slg% of .600 or higher. One of them is Bonds; who obviously wouldn't have had that if not for steroids.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Murderers Row
    Low slugging? He's 11th all time.
    How about this?

    His career ROAD slugging, when he wasn't mired in that brutal park, was .610

    That would be good for FIFTH ALLTIME. And this is for a guy who hit homeruns as much as he struckout, for chrissake.

  9. #49
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    25,747
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerfan66
    Manny Ramirez has a 156 OPS+ in 13 seasons.

    Joe D had a 155 OPS+ in 13 seasons.

    i ask again if manny ramirez retired after 2005 is he one of the greatest players of all-time and among the best lf( rf) of all time????? let alone a hof

    again ask yourselves this question
    You conveniently leave out the defensive value plus Joe D led the Yankees to many World Series titles while Manny has won only one.

  10. #50
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    25,747
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerfan66
    i didnt realize that.......i would of tought a .600 slg impressive
    Before the Steriod Era only two players had a career .600+ slugging percentage. Another weak argument.

  11. #51
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Long Island!
    Posts
    10,292
    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerfan66
    better cf's, cobb, mays, mantle, speaker, charleston, griffey jr, williams, and a few others that i dont remember
    I'm sorry, by Williams, do you honestly mean Bernie Williams? Ted was a LF, so that doesn't fit, and I can't think of any other Williams who'd really go there. If so, you're just being ridiculous.
    "Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."

    Sean McAdam, ESPN.com

  12. #52
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    southeastern PA
    Posts
    19,621
    Blog Entries
    34
    Other than slugging percentage, here are DiMaggio's top 100 career marks, giving him absolutely no credit for his three years in the service.:

    OPS+ 23rd
    RBI 38th
    avg 43rd
    runs created 55th
    HR 63rd
    total bases 75th
    runs scored 79th, and I saved this one for you because you insist on attacking him for his "low" OBP: 63rd.

    Source: baseball-reference.com

    The HOF has 140 major league position players in it. Please explain how with all the evidence we've presented he's not among those top 140.

    Jim Albright
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  13. #53
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Long Island!
    Posts
    10,292
    And, just to point out, the word you mean to be using is have. Would have, not would of. I'm trying desperately to think of any circumstance under which "would of" would be gramatticaly correct... I can think of a few with a comma in the middle ("General Motor's financial outlook would make an accountant weep more than any other corporation's would, of the businesses in the Fortune 500."), but I'm drawing a blank at any instance where just a straight "would of" would be in the remotest bit proper.
    "Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."

    Sean McAdam, ESPN.com

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules
    Before the Steriod Era only two players had a career .600+ slugging percentage. Another weak argument.
    No, thats not true. Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, Foxx, and Greenberg all had SLG over .600.

  15. #55
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    25,747
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Murderers Row
    No, thats not true. Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, Foxx, and Greenberg all had SLG over .600.
    Oops you're right! I forgot about Foxx and Greenberg. I confused my self because I knew Ruth and Williams were 1-2 when I was a kid.

  16. #56
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Under the Knickerbocker beer sign at the Polo Grounds
    Posts
    5,872
    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerfan66
    dimaggio's career just wasnt long enough. most of the greats of that era had more leads examples

    gehrig led in BA 1X, obp 5X, slg 2X, runs 4X, h 1X, tb 4X, hr 3X, rbi 5X

    foxx led in ba 2X, obp 3X, slg 5X, runs 1X, tb 3X, hr 4X, rbi 3X

    they face much tougher competition

    joe d was not the best player on those teams as that honor goes to gehrig

    he was not a deserving all star every year

    his numbers are good but not hof like

    his only great seasons were 1937 and 1941

    he didnt steal bases either and his only comptetion throughout his career wa ted williams

    dimaggio is similar to vernon wells or bernie williams...good but not hof
    You're joking, right? I mean, I can't believe I'm reading this.
    "I do not care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another. The National League will go down the line with Robinson whatever the consequences. You will find if you go through with your intention that you have been guilty of complete madness."

    NL President Ford Frick, 1947

  17. #57
    a couple other thing if i remember correctly dimaggio isnt on top 50 warp3 list..........and i think pretty low on eqa...........

    although ya are starting to make sense........still higher than 10 as a CF is hard to explain

  18. #58
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Under the Knickerbocker beer sign at the Polo Grounds
    Posts
    5,872
    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerfan66
    joe was never deemed a great defensive cf.........so thats a non factor

    again who knows the numbers he would of put up...theres no tellin...so credit isnt earned
    If you believe this, you have NO idea of the opinon of DiMaggio's contemporaries.
    "I do not care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another. The National League will go down the line with Robinson whatever the consequences. You will find if you go through with your intention that you have been guilty of complete madness."

    NL President Ford Frick, 1947

  19. #59
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    1,906
    I'll just post one more number-56.
    I realize that one record in itself should not make a player HOF worthy. But that streak, along with the other statistics that have been posted make Joe D pretty HOF worthy to me.
    And he hit in 63 in the PCL, which was considered a great Minor league back then, maybe even worthy of MLB status.
    Last edited by soberdennis; 07-23-2006 at 06:12 PM.

    Welcome back ARod. Hope you are a Yankee forever.
    Phil Rizzuto-a Yankee forever.

    Holy Cow

  20. #60
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Under the Knickerbocker beer sign at the Polo Grounds
    Posts
    5,872
    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerfan66
    Manny Ramirez has a 156 OPS+ in 13 seasons.

    Joe D had a 155 OPS+ in 13 seasons.

    i ask again if manny ramirez retired after 2005 is he one of the greatest players of all-time and among the best lf( rf) of all time????? let alone a hof

    again ask yourselves this question
    If Manny retired today, he should walk right into the HOF. If Manny Ramirez is not a HOFer, then who is that's in the game today?
    "I do not care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another. The National League will go down the line with Robinson whatever the consequences. You will find if you go through with your intention that you have been guilty of complete madness."

    NL President Ford Frick, 1947

Page 3 of 18 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •