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Well... the sightlines at Citi Field will definitely be better than those at Shea, that's for sure.Originally Posted by Knick9
Well... the sightlines at Citi Field will definitely be better than those at Shea, that's for sure.
That isn't saying much.
...if at all. That's what owners always say when the ballpark is taking shape. I've seen many new ballpark designs backfire on the owners and as a result, they have a mess on their hands.That isn't saying much...
Last edited by Knick9; 04-01-2007 at 10:22 PM.
Are they planning to demolish the old one?
The grandstands, yes; although they may preserve the footprint of the field for recreational purposes.
What's the general consensus around here about Citi Field anyway? Improvement over Shea (obviously) but nothing too unique?That isn't saying much.
I do have to acknowledge HOK being part of the Petco Park design team responsible for using extended cantilevers which are laterally 20 feet closer to the field than most cantilevered decks.
Luxury boxes provide one main thing for all ball clubs. Ultra high priced "seating" and amazing profits. Putting in 60 is more than enough to make a great deal of money and even though it is not as many as other parks now have the Yankees have put in one thing that most clubs don't have. A gigantic hall for stores and other shops. In looking at the side elevation plans for the new stadium, this area is very close, if not, twice as wide as it is in other parks. This gives more than enough room to install something like a mall within a stadium. The Yankees team will make up for the money being lost on not having over a hundred suites with this hall.
Also look at how its a single tier of suites. This is the same as many ballparks so they obviously opted to simply not include as many. I also remember reading something about there being close to 87 in the new stadium.
Even if they have fewer than other parks, they are going to charge A LOT more for their suites than other clubs and they will be all sold. The yankees can charge a premium already just for being the yankees, and by having fewer they keep the demand (ie cost) high. Also a of the other clubs don't have all of their suites sold out for the entire season. Some sell them on a game by game basis.
Yankees are already taking deposits from their biggest "clients".
My thoughts exactly,
Anyone have any pics of the new Citifield out there?
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http://www.stadiumpage.com/ has a bunch.
Also I took some pictures over there this past weekend and put them up at http://community.webshots.com/user/citi_field/
I don't understand all this grandstanding and gnashing of teeth. All this sentiment is well over 30 years too late. Yankee Stadium hasn't stood since the early 70's! While many wonderful moments have taken place in the new park, it's just that, a new park. It has no more historical place than Royals Stadium.
While the renovated version of the stadium may have well detracted from the pre-renovated version, the shell and much of the seating structure remain--it wasn't as though it was a total rebuild. So there's still a lot of history to claim from the place. Don't forget, Wrigley and Fenway have likewise had a lot of changes over the years--maybe not as extensive as Yankee, but nonetheless their 2000s version is far different than, say, the 1910s and 1920s version.
I think people would be a lot less upset if the new Yankee Stadium was actually architectually impresive beyond just the outer facade--maybe a return to the pre-renovation dimensions and features of the old stadium. But the main problem is, the new stadium lacks any character or charm on the inside. It looks exactly like U.S. Cellular Field and almost nothing like the House that Ruth Built.
no one has any more new pictures?
Check http://community.webshots.com/user/squidpixno one has any more new pictures?
That guy takes pictures every so often and posts them, the latest ones being from Opening Day.
Well we just got back from Yankee Stadium. I grew up in Flushing and my grandfather would take me on the 4 and we would go to Yankee games in the 70's. Last week we drove 12 hours from Indy to take my boy to Yankee stadium before it is gone. Our first game was rained out but we got tickets to Thursday night.
It was awesome. We sat up top (which I never did as a kid, my grandfather has great seats behind the dugout) behind home plate and had a great view of the game. My son was amazed (he's 14). We went as soon as the gates opened and watched BP and stood in RF to shag flies or have a fielder toss us a ball (never happened), we toured Monument Park and just soaked it in.
During the game my son looks down right field and says, that is where that guy broke Babe Ruth's record, some kid sat right here and watched Babe Ruth hit home runs and Yogi Berra and Thurman Munson both played right there (He is a catcher in Little League so knows the greats).
How can one say there is no history there because they changes some stuff in the 70's. The outfield my be shorter, but Mantle still knocked them out there and Joe D still ran those bases.....
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Why are they using wood for the floor? What if someone really heavy walks into the stadium and the wood isn't strong enough to hold them up?
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Hey guys, first post. And what a doozie of a thread.
First of all, I'm a baseball purist, (ie: everytime I hear "Wild Card hunt", I cry on the inside). So I'm all for keeping the current Yankee Stadium. It's a decent place to see a game. I haven't been there in probably a decade or so. But I remember it being a good place to see a game.
Personally, for whatever reason, I enjoyed Shea better. It gave me a more blue collar, heart warming feel. Can't really explain it. But it almost reminded me of being at a 1/4 mile local race track. Don't ask me what that means, but it's what the memory equates to.
Here are a couple things to keep in mind.
1. Hey, at least they're not building the retractable dome.
2. I really don't care what the outside of a stadium looks like. I worry about three things. How good is the home team, how comfortable are the seats on the third base side, and how much is a dog and a Coke?
Be glad you're not getting a Camden Yards clone. I live in Philly, and that's what we have. I'm tired of seeing new stadiums with asymmetrical dimensions, crazy wall heights, brick office buildings in the outfield.
But aren't you guys obsessing? I can appreciate the sight lines and distance concerns. But I'd be more worried about ticket prices. I go to more minor league games than Phillies games (not that there's much difference this year). And it's mostly because I can do the game, parking and food for the price of a single Phillies ticket.
Just as an aside. I'd be real curious to see a comparison to height and distance to home plate from the 'cheap seats' at NYS to the roof top seats at Wrigley. Just wondering how friendly the confines really are.
Actually the wood are platforms for the workers to work on. Once the cement is laid out on one floor, they remove them and move on to the next one, and then the next one, until they reach the top. Basically they work their way up. Oh yeah, lets not forget about the steel work that will reinforce everything.
Last edited by jp_nys; 04-11-2007 at 08:01 AM.
I thought the wood was used as forms for the concrete and once the concrete sets they remove the wood. Either way, its not like they are using wood in the structure, its steel reinforced concrete.
oh, ok. I just can't wait to go and see them build it. It just takes forever to take the train there from where I live. It takes like 3 hrs.
yeah. they set the rebar and pour the cement on the wood, once dry they remove the wood.. but they do need to stand on it to work.
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Originally Posted by Smirkman
It's because most fans (including myself) have the belief that the 1923 Yankee Stadium is 95% gone already thanks to the 1970's rebuilding. Only the shell exists as before and they even screwed that up by placing those ugly escalator ramps @ the entrances. The original facade, which was the signature of the park, was destroyed and recreated in concrete in the outfield. Ugggh.
I tired of hearing of how the Babe and Joe D etc. played on that field. They didn't as the field was lowered 6' or so. New Yankee Stadium's history is a facsimile of a great stadium at an historic location.
The outrage that you seek should have existed in 1974.
BTW - Great story & post. I had no idea, although the Yankees may have had more cash on hand if they hadn't bought all the Red Sox players.
I agree with this post. In my opinion, the renovation of the early '70's removed the look and feel of the original stadium. I had the pleasure of walking out of the runway to the stands and seeing all the wonderful array of colors that came into view in the "old" stadium, in particular, the majestic facade (frieze).. It was a great site and and a great moment that I still get when I am at a game at the "new" stadium.
With that said, I will concede that there has been an awful lot of history added since the re-opening of the stadium in '76. Do I wish they were building on the same site? Yes I do. Would I prefer a more classic design closer to the original stadium? Again, yes I would. Will I be sad to see the stadium torn down? You bet I will be.
I believe it is time for a new venue. The business of baseball has evolved to the point where this move is necessary to maintain the financial dominance the Yankee organization now enjoys. Just like it was necessary to get the stadium built in the '20's regardless of the obstacles that were encountered. The building of the original stadium was a business decision the same as today. True fans will always have sentimental memories of teams, stadiums and eras. The owners have always been in it for the money, whether it was to turn a profit or write off the losses against a more profitable business they owned. The last twenty years the players have joined the owners in the chase for the money. Combined, they have generated revenue streams that seem to keep going up. New, modern stadiums are an important part of the business model.
What's wrong with you people? Get your heads out of your A$$! Of course there are great memories we all have of Yankee Stadium. I was in the bleachers the night of Game Six of the 77 series when Reggie hit three consecutive homers on three pitches and propelled the Yankee's the their first World Championship in 15 years,
but the old Stadium is a shell of itself! The Stadium is now a dilapidated, old, outdated, structure that now has the charm of American Idol's Simon Cowell! Few restrooms, small concession stands, no place to walk!
They can't bring the wrecking ball to it fast enough. The
only good thing I can say right now about Yankee Stadium is it ain't SHEA!
Yes, personally I am pretty serious about my opinions about Yankee Stadium II and no matter how hard you try to make the new stadium sound like the best thing since sliced bread, it will never come anywhere close to Yankee Stadium, unrenovated and renovated. Never. I guarantee that. Whatever is handed out, people call it extraordinary. It will be the biggest disapointment in stadium development, mark my words. HOK has been taking leaps back recently, and clearly they don't care because they don't want anything to do with supporting posts in the lower deck, and by pushing back the upper deck, they are missing the point badly and are really ruining the way some people look at a good ballpark.
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