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    Pitching coach

    The Rays pitching coach, Mike Butcher, was given permission to speak to the Angels about their pitching coach vacancy (with Bud Black leaving) and has accepted the position. It will be a lateral move, but one closer to his home and family in Chandler Arizona. He has been replaced with recently fired Astros' pitching coach Jim Hickey. Hickey's staffs in recent years had led the NL in ERA, but he was let go, reportedly, for not having developed the young pitchers on their staff. Sentimental favorite from the Rays system, Xavier Hernandez, was apparently not considered, but he might be moved up in the minor league system to be Durham's pitching coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raysnbran
    The Rays pitching coach, Mike Butcher, was given permission to speak to the Angels about their pitching coach vacancy (with Bud Black leaving) and has accepted the position. It will be a lateral move, but one closer to his home and family in Chandler Arizona. He has been replaced with recently fired Astros' pitching coach Jim Hickey. Hickey's staffs in recent years had led the NL in ERA, but he was let go, reportedly, for not having developed the young pitchers on their staff. Sentimental favorite from the Rays system, Xavier Hernandez, was apparently not considered, but he might be moved up in the minor league system to be Durham's pitching coach.
    Pitching coaches seem to get re-cycled more then manager these days. Butcher was also criticized for not developing young pitchers enough. The bottom line is the pitching coach is only as good as the talent he has to work with. Look at former Rays pitching coach, Chuck Hernandez. He went to Detroit last season, and now he is called a pitching Guru, but look at the talent he had to work with.
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    Moves

    Rays dropped former SP Doug Waechter from the 40 man roster, and added P Mitch Talbot, OF Elijah Dukes and IF Elliot Johnson. Waechter sustained a torn labrum and wouldn't be able to pitch anyways until next summer, plus he had a disasterous 2005 both in TB and in Durham. The Rays might offer him a minor league deal, and considering he's a hometown guy and should not expect to get any other offers, he will probably re-sign and eventually play with Durham.

    Talbot was aquired last July in the Huff deal to the Astros and performed very well down the stretch for Montgomery in the playoffs. Johnson also had an excellent year and is considered a solid prospect. Dukes' talent and troubles have been well chronicled, and his name has been linked to a deal with Florida for Ricky Nolasco, so maybe that's why he's been added to the 40man.
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    I like Elliot Johnson a lot. I wonder with TB's multiple infield options if he'll get a chance at the bigs when he's ready in a year or two. Cantu would have to be traded, and now Iwamura is an option there, too. Also, what's the deal with his brother Leon? The Rays keep drafting him and he keeps refusing to play.

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    Cantu

    You have to wonder if 2005 was a flash in the pan for Cantu. His defense is a liability and it is hard to find a position he might be good at. He got hurt early in the season in 2006 and never got hot the whole season. He has a lot to prove that he can play at this level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raysnbran
    You have to wonder if 2005 was a flash in the pan for Cantu. His defense is a liability and it is hard to find a position he might be good at. He got hurt early in the season in 2006 and never got hot the whole season. He has a lot to prove that he can play at this level.
    I think Cantu played in the World Baseball Classic. I have to wonder if that tournament didn't have some effect on his play for the Rays. It appeared that playing in the WBC was a detriment to more then just a few guys.

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    Danys Baez was signed by the Orioles. Scratch one reliever the Rays may have had an interest in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddiey
    Danys Baez was signed by the Orioles. Scratch one reliever the Rays may have had an interest in.
    Well, you're welcome to go after Keith Foulke
    Man, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDL
    Well, you're welcome to go after Keith Foulke
    Nah, we kinda like our pitchers to have working knees. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by raysnbran
    You have to wonder if 2005 was a flash in the pan for Cantu. His defense is a liability and it is hard to find a position he might be good at. He got hurt early in the season in 2006 and never got hot the whole season. He has a lot to prove that he can play at this level.
    A couple of things about Cantu. Don't forget he played for Mexico in the world Classic, so he got started early. Then he was injured a couple of times during the year.You really can't judge him on last year .First base may be a good fit for Cantu. It would be nice to see the Rays give him a shot there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonypug
    A couple of things about Cantu. Don't forget he played for Mexico in the world Classic, so he got started early. Then he was injured a couple of times during the year.You really can't judge him on last year .First base may be a good fit for Cantu. It would be nice to see the Rays give him a shot there.
    I agree with Tony. Its too soon to give up on Cantu. Lets see how he does after some time off over the winter.

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    Cantu should stay

    Cantu should stay. He isn't a Gold Glove fielder, but he has the best swing of anyone in the Devil Rays lineup. He is good hitter and to give him away to another team would mean that the new management of the Devil Rays Sternberg would be as shortsighted as Vince and Chuck were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaxTeaMen
    Cantu should stay. He isn't a Gold Glove fielder, but he has the best swing of anyone in the Devil Rays lineup. He is good hitter and to give him away to another team would mean that the new management of the Devil Rays Sternberg would be as shortsighted as Vince and Chuck were.
    JaxTeaMen,welcome. We are waiting to see just what the new ownership group has in mind. They have had a full season to get a plan together, now is the time to show us what that plan is. On troubling problem is the manager Joe Maddon. He was given a two rear contract with a team option the third year. That means this could be his last year. Thats not good with a young team. Either extend his contract, or fire him now. Otherwise this season gets played with uncertainty. Will he manage the team to help it get better or to save his job.
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    Rays sign Choi, Mohr

    On Friday, the Rays signed 1B Hee-Seop Choi and OF Dustan Mohr to minor league contracts, who knows, Choi could be the Rays' starting First Baseman in 2007 ...

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    I wonder how BJ Upton will fit in next year, he was horrible with the glove, I hope they move him to CF (I made a thread on that a while back).
    Cristobal

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKingofKings
    On Friday, the Rays signed 1B Hee-Seop Choi and OF Dustan Mohr to minor league contracts, who knows, Choi could be the Rays' starting First Baseman in 2007 ...
    Let's no dream anymore, Choi will get a shot in ST and he'll probably make it since the Rays aren't exactly a depth team, Mohr can probably filll a hole in the OF as the 4th man and he might actually play because...I see...injuries...once again.
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    Mohr?

    OF is the one position we HAVE depth at. Crawford, Baldelli and Young are your starters, Dukes and Gomes will both probably make the team. Choi might be the 1B, unless they decide to move Wigginton or maybe Cantu or Upton even there during ST. Still no pitching, and with prices being thrown around out there, we still won't have any. So to be competitive, we at least have to have a solid corps of middle relievers and a defense that won't give up 4 outs an inning.
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    Choi and Mohr are good signings. There is nothing to lose. Wigginton and Norton are perfctly capeable of handling firstbase. If Choi wins the firstbase job, that allows Norton and Wigginton to be utility players which is what they were signed for origonally. Mohr is insurance against injuries. Pitching will be a problem. The hope is the young pitchers get over their injuries and can contribute this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raysnbran
    OF is the one position we HAVE depth at. Crawford, Baldelli and Young are your starters, Dukes and Gomes will both probably make the team. Choi might be the 1B, unless they decide to move Wigginton or maybe Cantu or Upton even there during ST. Still no pitching, and with prices being thrown around out there, we still won't have any. So to be competitive, we at least have to have a solid corps of middle relievers and a defense that won't give up 4 outs an inning.
    Wiggington is not with the Club anymore ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKingofKings
    Wiggington is not with the Club anymore ...
    Ty Wigginton is still with the Devil Rays, unless he was traded today.
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