Crosley Field / Redland Field

[alpineinc]

I'm sure this exists somewhere in the thread, but I figure it's worth a re-post...

Amazing live broadcast of a half-inning of Game 3 of the '61 Series at Crosley. Maris goes yard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGQZS...eature=related

Glorious find. Those Yanks weren't cheated on those swings, were they! No wonder Mantle had aches and pains his whole career, lol.

Funny, in still largely the pre-closer days, Purkey obviously getting tired and allowing HRs in the 8th and 9th to lose it, 3-2 (especially allowing a run apiece in the 7th and 8th, and here comes home run king Maris to lead off in the 9th - yep, stay with Purkey!). 15 years later, put in a reliever and maybe the Reds eventually win this first home game and go ahead in the series.

Sadly, the Reds didn't win a WS game at home that year, but they still had 1940, the only year they clinched a championship at old Crosley.

[tdinan]

Here's an even better one...at least from a ballpark standoint. Lots of great live shots of Crosley. What a great place!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG0DM...feature=relmfu

[alpineinc]

Boy, the first pic below was a tough one. Listing has it as the 1961 WS, but the scenario didn't fit, only two instances of Yanks 1st and 3rd with a Cincy righty hurler, and the number at the plate didn't match. Then I noticed that there was no bunting along the stands on either level, so the only other team it could be was the San Francisco Giants (if it is indeed from 1961) - and we do have a touch of orange tinge on those uniforms. And two scenarios matched, but one had only 10,000 fans, the other, at near capacity:

If 1961, it would have to be Sunday, September 24, 29,272 in the house. Jim Davenport at the plate, top of the 4th inning, Bailey on first, Cepeda on third. Joey Jay pitching, Blasingame at second, Coleman at first, Frank Robinson in right. Salty Parker the 3B coach. Giants down 2-1 but not for long, as Davenport is about to park a 3-run blast to left to put the Giants up 4-2. 3 singles after that and Jay was done. Giants would score 9 in the frame and go on to win it 12-5, with Jay falling to an otherwise impressive 21-9. No matter, the Reds were still up 4 games on the Dodgers (and 8 on the Giants) and would win the NL Pennant by those 4 games.

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Jay would get rocked again in his final regular season start, which may have been telling as the Reds advanced to the World Series - Jay would throw an impressive CG victory at Yankee Stadium in Game 2, but then unfortunately sealed the Reds' fate when he got knocked out of the box in the first inning of Game 5 at Crosley, and the Yanks cruised to victory and the championship.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Reds-Ya...item589603a8f0


Now this one, from the same seller, was easier; it does appear to be from the 1961 WS, with bunting present, and appears to be the final out of Game 4 (1st and 2nd, flyball to right by Coleman to end it, Lopez the RF, Howard coming out to mound to congratulate P Coates), which the Yankees won, 7-0, to go up in the series 3 games to 1.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Reds-Ya...item5896039d70

The one thing about both being in 1961 is the differences in the outfield fence - the distance numbers that are clear in the WS photo, are not white and barely visible in the first photo. Were they painted white just before the World Series? Can anyone confirm?

[alpineinc]

Lou Gehrig in uniform for the final time, leaving the field after the last out of the 1939 World Series.

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http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...ntoryid=153087

[Joe Barrie]

Boy, the first pic below was a tough one. Listing has it as the 1961 WS, but the scenario didn't fit, only two instances of Yanks 1st and 3rd with a Cincy righty hurler, and the number at the plate didn't match. Then I noticed that there was no bunting along the stands on either level, so the only other team it could be was the San Francisco Giants (if it is indeed from 1961) - and we do have a touch of orange tinge on those uniforms. And two scenarios matched, but one had only 10,000 fans, the other, at near capacity:

If 1961, it would have to be Sunday, September 24, 29,272 in the house. Jim Davenport at the plate, top of the 4th inning, Bailey on first, Cepeda on third. Joey Jay pitching, Blasingame at second, Coleman at first, Frank Robinson in right. Salty Parker the 3B coach. Giants down 2-1 but not for long, as Davenport is about to park a 3-run blast to left to put the Giants up 4-2. 3 singles after that and Jay was done. Giants would score 9 in the frame and go on to win it 12-5, with Jay falling to an otherwise impressive 21-9. No matter, the Reds were still up 4 games on the Dodgers (and 8 on the Giants) and would win the NL Pennant by those 4 games.

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Jay would get rocked again in his final regular season start, which may have been telling as the Reds advanced to the World Series - Jay would throw an impressive CG victory at Yankee Stadium in Game 2, but then unfortunately sealed the Reds' fate when he got knocked out of the box in the first inning of Game 5 at Crosley, and the Yanks cruised to victory and the championship.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Reds-Ya...item589603a8f0


Now this one, from the same seller, was easier; it does appear to be from the 1961 WS, with bunting present, and appears to be the final out of Game 4 (1st and 2nd, flyball to right by Coleman to end it, Lopez the RF, Howard coming out to mound to congratulate P Coates), which the Yankees won, 7-0, to go up in the series 3 games to 1.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Reds-Ya...item5896039d70

The one thing about both being in 1961 is the differences in the outfield fence - the distance numbers that are clear in the WS photo, are not present in the first photo. Were they added just before the World Series? Can anyone confirm?

In the upper picture, the Giant third base runner is Willie Mays, not Cepeda (who wore #30).

[alpineinc]

In the upper picture, the Giant third base runner is Willie Mays, not Cepeda (who wore #30).

I went with Cepeda because the first number appears to be a 3, not a 2 - although the second number is really not legible, but with the first number a 3, it could only be Cepeda in that era. And the uniform could only be the Giants in the NL in 1961 (Pirates had sleeveless unis). Again, the Yankees don't appear to match up due to scenario and lack of bunting, and markings on RF wall.

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[alpineinc]

Appears to be Opening Day 1946. Scoreboard matches, and looks like a '46 Crosley car on the field. If so, tough one for the locals, as the Cubs scored 4 in the 9th to win 4-3.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-CINCINNAT-...item4aac8feb5f

[Pelt]

Great shots! The 40's are easily my favorite era of this park. I love the buildings just beyond the outfield wall. One of the most beautiful settings ever in baseball from this time.

[alpineinc]

SI photo shoot for the July 16, 1956 cover. The first pic is close to the shot they used, but the second shot is great as well. Actual cover below. Always loved these uniforms.


Wally Post, Ted Kluszewski, Gus Bell




Post, Bell, Kluszewski
Ed Bailey, Frank Robinson, Ray Jablonski

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http://www.lelands.com/Auction/Aucti...over-Image-(2)

[Chevy114]

I love the 3 different sleve lengths on the guys. Professional sports today would fine you for being half an inch different than the rest of the team!

[alpineinc]

Frank Robinson in that sleeveless uniform just epitomizes classic '50's-'60's baseball to me. Taken in the same year, 1956, but in Milwaukee, and posted by me many times , but I can't get enough of it. As a rookie, he has the poise, self-respect and class that most players never achieve.

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[The Old Ballpark]

Frank Robinson in that sleeveless uniform just epitomizes classic '50's-'60's baseball to me. Taken in the same year, 1956, but in Milwaukee, and posted by me many times , but I can't get enough of it. As a rookie, he has the poise, self-respect and class that most players never achieve.

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Couldn't agree more about F. Robinson. Always thought the line from "Talkin' Baseball" about 1956, "One Robby going out, one coming in" was very poignant.

Both men were the epitome of inner strength and character, as well as physical toughness.

[BSmile]

Opening Game Cincinnati National League Park Panoramic
First Ever Game At Redland Field - April 11, 1912
Chicago vs. Cincinnati - Attendance 27,366

[The Monument]

I love the 3 different sleve lengths on the guys. Professional sports today would fine you for being half an inch different than the rest of the team!

Not true. Look at all the guys on the same teams that wear their pant legs different lengths-below the knee, ankle-high {rare these days} and down to the floor.

[Paul W]

Not true. Look at all the guys on the same teams that wear their pant legs different lengths-below the knee, ankle-high {rare these days} and down to the floor.

uni fines happen in nfl, mlpa is too strong for that to happen

[alpineinc]

Have we seen this one yet? If so, worth another look, for sure.

Thursday, October 2, Game 2 of the 1919 World Series, home 6th inning (that scoreboard will throw you), Greasy Neale is caught stealing to end the inning after he singled in Edd Roush to put the Reds up 4-0 (not yet on scoreboard), and Cincinnati would go up 2 games to none in the Series. Lefty Williams, seen on the mound, had already "thrown" this one, walking three in the third as the Reds tallied for three runs, and SS Swede Risberg, applying the tag, was also in on the fix. 2B Eddie Collins, at right, was not involved.

Only Eddie Cicotte was paid at this point, but after this game, $10,000 more was obtained and distributed among the conspirators before heading to Chicago for Games 3, 4 and 5. And Lefty Williams would secure the fix by apparently throwing the final Game 8 as well, getting knocked out of the box in the 1st inning (the story of threatening his wife turned out to be false, but it appears he threw the game anyway). Williams and Risberg would play in 1920, but after the scandal was uncovered late that year, were declared "ineligible" for 1921, and banned for life later that year.


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[icee82]

Wow...that is a great photograph from that era!!!

[alpineinc]

P Tony Cloninger, 1969. Had a tough year, going 11-17 for the Reds with an ERA over 5.

He had a couple of great years in the early '60's with the Milwaukee Braves, but never really recovered from various injuries in the mid '60's, and was primarily a spot starter and reliever for Cincinnati, winning a pennant with the Reds in 1970. He retired after the 1972 season. He would return to baseball 20 years later as a bullpen coach for the Yankees, getting 4 WS rings with the Bombers.


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http://www.flickr.com/photos/poppypop/8315404257/

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[alpineinc]

Beautiful shot, source says August 1957, but it's between April 21 and May 6 (most likely the morning of May 6), 1955.

This one was tough because the scoreboard is in transition - the visiting team is switched to "Chicago", but both lineups are from the previous game played at Crosley, on April 20th, 1955 against the Cardinals, including Musial's switch to RF and the Reds double-switch leaving their pitcher batting 7th. The Redlegs then went on a 10-game road trip, returning to play the Cubs on Friday night, May 6th. (and on Sat. too, as the scoreboard says). I'm guessing the change to "Chicago" and the watering of the field means game day, so probably May 6. Anyway, enjoy.

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Here's each side of the largest size of the photo for a better view of the glorious scoreboard and background, both pretty good photos on their own!

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And by the way, the Redlegs won that night, 4-2, with Joe Nuxhall going all the way on a 6-hitter. Smoky Burgess and Wally Post got 2 hits apiece for the locals. Unfortunately, Cincinnati still remained in last place at day's end. Nuxhall would have the best year of his career in 1955, going 17-12 with a league-leading 5 shutouts, but Cincy would fall short of .500 and finish fifth. They would win only one more flag at Crosley, in 1961 (excluding the first half of the 1970 NL West winning season).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregorywass/8400317089/

[icee82]

You are definitely right on with 1955 because the restaurant sign to the right of the flag pole was different in 1956. Also it cannot be 1957 because the new scoreboard was put in prior to the season. Nice photos of that era!!!

[alpineinc]

1939 WS, Virginia Bridge Co. to the rescue!

[Paul W]

nbc gotw broadcast reds v. gi-ants w/ol' dizzy and pee wee at crosley
diz had problems with my old pal's name - joe amalfitano, not a surprise
willie knocks 'em in...



http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1...220CIN1961.htm

enjoy, pardners..

[alpineinc]

Great find! Never had a chance to hear Dizzy as an announcer. Excitable, but a fun listen. Although stumbling through those names would get tired in a hurry, lol.

[icee82]

The pitcher in this game has always intrigued me. I actually got him TTM prior to his death. On July 7, 1961, he was 9-4 with a 3.25 ERA. He proceeded to lose six straight games and finished the year at 9-10 with an ERA of 3.96. He mopped up in the ninth inning of Game 5 of the 1961 Series in a 13-5 Reds' loss. He never pitched another inning in the majors. Now with a 9-10 record and a 3.96 ERA, he would get a multi-year $10 million dollar contract. How times have changed.

[alpineinc]

The pitcher in this game has always intrigued me. I actually got him TTM prior to his death. On July 7, 1961, he was 9-4 with a 3.25 ERA. He proceeded to lose six straight games and finished the year at 9-10 with an ERA of 3.96. He mopped up in the ninth inning of Game 5 of the 1961 Series in a 13-5 Reds' loss. He never pitched another inning in the majors. Now with a 9-10 record and a 3.96 ERA, he would get a multi-year $10 million dollar contract. How times have changed.

Interesting. Ken Hunt, one year in the majors. 1961 Sporting News NL Rookie of the Year too. It looks like he was simply too wild, 4.4BB/9 that year, and as his E.R.A rose into August, it appears he was pulled out of the rotation, and only started 1 game after that.

As the back of the card says, he had a great year in the minors in 1960, but look at '58 and '59, BBs (and E.R.A.s) off the charts! And then when sent back to the minors for seasoning in 1962, "working to cut down his free passes", he was back at square one, with 80 walks in 66 innings (that's almost 12 per 9 innings)! Three more years in the minors, but he couldn't curb his wildness, and that was pretty much that.

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