View Poll Results: Where do you rate Rickey?

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  • I rank Rickey Henderson 1-10 among all time position players

    0 0%
  • I rank Rickey Henderson 11-20

    27 32.14%
  • I rank Rickey Henderson 21-30

    25 29.76%
  • I rank Rickey Henderson 31-40

    10 11.90%
  • I rank Rickey Henderson 41-50

    1 1.19%
  • I rank Rickey Henderson 51-60

    1 1.19%
  • I rank Rickey Henderson lower than 60th all time

    3 3.57%
  • I consider Rickey Henderson an all time, historically great player

    14 16.67%
  • I do not consider Rickey Henderson an all time, historically great player

    3 3.57%
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Thread: Rickey Henderson Thread

  1. #1
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    Rickey Henderson Thread

    With all these players getting threads, Rickey should probably have one too. Post whatever you have to say about Rickey Henderson. Here's something I once wrote about him:

    Rickey was fun wherever he went, and the fans generally liked him. I remember when he came to the Red Sox for the 2002 season, and while he was no longer really a good player, he was nonetheless my favorite player in the world that season. I remember I was at a game and caught a ball he threw into the stands. He was awesome, I've loved him ever since. He also like many leadoff men even in his prime was a horribly underrappreciated and underrated player.

    Rickey was, IMO, the best player of the 1980s, the best leadoff man of all time, and a true unique offensive force in the history of the game for his whole career. Using more sophisticated methods, he is close to the offensive equal of players like Musial who put up much more eye-catching numbers for career value. Based only on career value IMO he is easily one of the top 10 players to ever play the game.

    There were also few who brought a true dynamic to the game like Rickey Henderson in his prime, and based on that I think there are few who brought as much that can't be attributed to in the numbers. Rickey in his prime years would often score a run almost half the time he got on base, and of course he was on base constantly. He was unbelieveably fast, but not quite known as the fastest in game, but no one got a better jump on the bases than Rickey. He played very smart in the outfield, always getting a great jump on the ball and using his speed to make up for his not so great arm. I think Rickey was a very underrated fielder, and the statistical metrics have confirmed this (Matt's PCA has him the best fielding LFer of all time). He always used his speed to make up for that not so great arm, and that is definitely evidenced by his assist totals, he averaged 8.8 per 162 games in the outfield.

    Rickey had power hitters follow him all around and everywhere they went they put up huge RBI totals. Tony Armas a few years in Oakland, Mattingly in NY, Canseco and McGwire in Oakland. Rickey made "great" middle of the order hitters, and in many cases they got credit for Rickey's great leadoff work, and that made many of them (Mattingly most specificially) overrated. I think Rickey deserved the MVP WAY over Mattingly in '85.

    Rickey was playing with the Red Sox in 2002 and I was at the game in staying early in batting practice (don't remember the date or anything, I think it was against the Blue Jays). A fly ball came out to Rickey in BP, and he made one of his old signature catches, when he moved his arm across his body and snatched the ball right in front of his chest. I had never seen Rickey do that before at that time, and was excited by it. I just hoped he wouldn't do something like that in the game, but it was to me a unique thing, something that could be practiced at home in good fun. I had already taken quite the liking to Rickey, but after he made that catch and threw it up into the stands (much to my displeasure not towards me), he was one of my favorites. He remained that way, and still is one of my favorite historical players today. I wish I could have seen him in his prime!!
    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 06-01-2009 at 12:26 PM.

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    Chris,

    I turned 14 years old during the 1982 season when he stole 130 bases. That was a magical season. At this point Rickey was not yet the true dominant overall player he would become but I still have fond memories of his base stealing exploits. He was just an exciting player. He got off to a huge start in steals. He had 84 steals at the All-Star Break! Please think about that for a moment. That's 21 more steals than anyone else. He had something like 122 steals in the first 127 games. When he tied the record in Milwaukee he was picked off first and still beat the throw! If it were not for a jammed shoulder late in the season, I think, he would have probably stolen around 150 that season and that would be probably the most amazing single season record in baseball.
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    leecemark; November 26, 2004, 08:08 AM
    The Top 10 LF results
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    1. Ted Williiams 227
    2. Barry Bonds 225
    3. Stan Musial 203
    4. Rickey Henderson 151
    5. Carl Yastrzemski 126
    6. Ed Delahanty 92
    7. Al Simmons 83
    8. Joe Jackson 76
    9. Tim Raines 40
    10. Ralph Kiner 26
    Others in double figures:
    11. Goose Goslin 23
    12. Willie Stargell 18
    13. Billy Williams, Manny Ramirez, Lou Brock and Turkey Stearns all with 13. Most disappointing oversight to me - Minnie Minoso.
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    538280; December 9, 2005, 09:02 AM
    Poll Results
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    The results are now in, and we had 15 valid ballots. Ted Williams won the poll by a healthy margin. Here is everyone who received 15 or more points (first place votes in parenthesis):

    1. Ted Williams-167 (11)
    2. Barry Bonds-138 (3)
    3. Stan Musial-126 (1)
    4. Rickey Henderson-99
    5. Carl Yastrzemski-63
    6. Al Simmons-45
    7. Ed Delahanty-45
    8. Joe Jackson-44
    9. Tim Raines-29
    10. Willie Stargell-21
    11. Turkey Stearnes-18
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    Bill Burgess; May 21, 2007, 08:18 PM

    1) Williams 122
    2) Bonds 118
    3) Musial 106
    4) Henderson 81
    5) Yaz 61
    6) Joe Jackson 55
    7) Tie Raines/Ramirez 28
    9) Delehanty 25
    10) Simmons 21
    11) Wheat 11
    12) Tie Billy Williams, Stearns, Stargell 10
    15) Rose 6
    16) Goslin 5
    17) Medwick 3
    18) Tie Clarke, Kiner 1

    Hitting Stats: Comparison Chart

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    His 1990 MVP season.


    Source: Right: 100 Years of Major League Baseball, American and National Leagues, 1901-2000, by David Nemec/Saul Wisnia, 2000, pp. 423.

    Athletics' LF,
    ---------------------------------1989--------------------------------1979-84, 1989-95, 1998--------------------------------1980


    August 12, 1981----------------------------------------------------------------------------------October 17, 1990, World Series with Reds, leaping over ball in Game 2.


    Rickey Henderson:--------------------------------------------Source: Top, Right: Home Run Leaders, by Jonathin Bliss, 1991, pp. 8.
    Source: Top, Left: The Baseball Timeline, by Burt Solomon, 2001, pp. 15.


    Source for both bottom shots: Rickey Henderson: Off Base: Confessions of a Thief, by Rickey Henderson, with John Shea, 1992, pp. 117.



    Rickey Henderson, A's LF, August 31, 1981-------------------------------------April 26, 1995


    -------------------June 18, 1990--------------------------------------------As a Red Sox, June 2, 2002, against Yankees
    Source of all 4: SI.com-----Sports Illustrated search engine



    Rickey Henderson, Padres' LF, October 4, 2001,
    scored his 2,246th run to break Ty Cobb's ML record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules
    Chris,
    I turned 14 years old during the 1982 season when he stole 130 bases. That was a magical season. At this point Rickey was not yet the true dominant overall player he would become but I still have fond memories of his base stealing exploits. He was just an exciting player. He got off to a huge start in steals. He had 84 seals at the All-Star Break! Please think about that for a moment. That's 21 more steals than anyone else. He had something like 122 steals in the first 127 games. When he tied the record in Milwukee he was picked off first and still beat the throw! If it were not for a jamed shoulder, I think, he would have probably stolen around 150 that season and that would be probably the most amazing single season record in baseball.

    I've been watching baseball since the early 80's too, and I don't think I've ever seen a player dominate like he did in the first few months of that season. Seemed like he was always on base, and whenever he was on first, it seemed inevitable that he was going to end up second and/or forcing the other team into a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwiggins
    I've been watching baseball since the early 80's too, and I don't think I've ever seen a player dominate like he did in the first few months of that season. Seemed like he was always on base, and whenever he was on first, it seemed inevitable that he was going to end up second and/or forcing the other team into a mistake.
    It's like he toyed with pitchers. Me and my buddies would just be glued to the TV to watch him run. I even copied his batting stance when I played baseball, except for the left side. Hey, what was the name of his teammate that copied his batting stance. Was that Tony Phillips?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules
    It's like he toyed with pitchers. Me and my budies would just be glued to the TV to watch him run. I even copied his batting stance when I played baseball, except for the left side. Hey, what was the name of his teammate that copied his batting stance. Was that Tony Phillips?
    I don't remember that, HWR. I was too busy trying to copy Cecil Cooper's batting stance back then.

    Phillips was quite the underrated player, though. I remember he could play just about anywhere but pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwiggins
    I don't remember that, HWR. I was too busy trying to copy Cecil Cooper's batting stance back then.

    Phillips was quite the underrated player, though. I remember he could play just about anywhere but pitcher.
    I remember Cooper's stance! Yes, Phillips was underrated for sure. He had some great years in Detriot as well.

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    To quote Bill James "If you split Rickey Henderson into two differnt players you would have two hall of famers. You would have the best (non-Bonds) power speed combination of all time, and the best baserunner of all time"
    "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

    "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

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    Rickey's 1980 Topps Rookie Card! Check out the stats on the back of the card. They don't even list stolen bases!
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    I always used to like Rickey. Until...

    The whole thing with him playing cards with Bobby Bonilla in the clubhouse while the Mets lost the 1999 NLCS REALLY bugged me. That's just quitting on your team, and your team should be the only reason you're in the game at all. That just shows a COMPLETE lack of disregard for the fans, the teammates, and the institution of baseball as a whole. I'm a huge fan of colorful characters, but part of that color has to be a fierce passion for the game, and that incident just really soured me, permanently, on a guy who'd always been one of my favorites.
    "Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."

    Sean McAdam, ESPN.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honus Wagner Rules
    Rickey's 1980 Topps Rookie Card! Check out the stats on the back of the card. They don't even list stolen bases!
    Well they'd run out of room on the card if they listed his SBs
    "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

    "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

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    EH, I think Rickey did have a passion for the game but it just wasn't the type of passion that many people liked to see. I think he loved the game, and his continuing to play wherever he possibly can after his career shows that, his talking and being very freindly with the fans in Boston shows that, his own play even shows that. But I do agree with you that fierce, the word you use, is not the right way to describe his passion. His passion is serious, but it's a more laid back passion. A lot of people don't like that. I don't mind it though, I have no problem with a guy who enjoys the game, has lots of fun playing, and shows that on the field.

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    "But it wasn't until I saw Rickey that I understood what baseball was about. Rickey Henderson is a run, man. That's it. When you see Rickey Henderson, I don't care when, the score's already 1-0. If he's with you, that's great. If he's not, you won't like it."-Rickey's former teammate Mitchell Page

    "If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game."-Rickey Henderson

    Anyone have any running times for Rickey? I know he's been timed at 2.9 seconds from 2nd to 3rd. Anyone know if he's even been timed home to first?

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    Hitting Stats: Comparison Chart

    Henderson, , Cobb, Wagner, Hornsby, Ruth, Gehrig, T. Williams, Mantle, Mays, Aaron, DiMaggio, Speaker, Schmidt, Lajoie, Musial, Collins, Crawford, J. Jackson, Wheat, Roush, Foxx, Clemente, Yaz, Anson, Bonds, B. Williams, Kiner, Killebrew, Rose, Gwynn, Kaline, Greenberg, Waner, R. Jackson, Boggs, Gehringer, Brouthers, Delahanty, Simmons, Mize, Brett, F. Robinson, Ashburn, Sisler, Snider, Banks, Molitor, Keeler, Bench, Terry, .

    Code:
    Henderson----BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG--SB-BB--OPS+
    led league----0---1----0--0---0----5---0---0---1---0---12--4---1
    2nd league----1---0----0--1---0----1---0---0---2---1----0--2---1
    3rd league----0---0----0--0---0----1---0---0---6---0----0--1---0
    4th-----------2---0----0--0---0----3---0---0---1---0----2--5---0
    5th-----------0---0----0--0---0----1---0---0---2---0----1--0---0
    6th-----------0---0----0--0---1----0---0---1---1---0----2--1---0
    
    
    Cobb--------BA--Hits-2B---3B---HR---R--RBI-TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league--12---8----3----4----1---5---4---6----7----8----6---0--11
    2nd-league---3---3----4----4----2---2---2---2----7----3----1---1---3
    3rd----------1---3----4----2----2---2---1---2----0----3----2---0---1 
    4th----------2---0----0----1----0---1---0---1----0----1----3---1---1
    5th----------1---0----0----1----0---2---1---0----1----0----0---1---0
    6th----------2---0----2----0----0---0---0---0----0----0----0---0---0
    
    Wagner-------BA--Hits-2B---3B---HR---R--RBI--TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league----8---2----7----3----0---2---5----7---4----6----5---0--6
    2nd league----2---2----1----3----1---2---2----1---1----3----0---0--2
    3rd-----------0---5----3----2----0---2---2----4---2----2----2---0--2
    4th-----------2---3----0----0----1---2---3----2---1----1----0---1--1
    5th-----------1---1----1----0----2---1---1----2---2----0----0---0--0
    6th-----------1---0----0----1----2---0---1----0---0----1----0---1--0
    
    Hornsby-----BA---Hits-2B---3B--HR----R--RBI--TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---8----4----4----2---2----5---4----7----9----9----0---3--12
    2nd league---2----1----1----1---2----1---1----2----1----1----0---1---1
    3rd----------1----1----1----1---3----0---2----0----1----1----0---0---0
    4th----------1----3----4----0---1----2---0----0----0----1----0---2---0
    5th----------0----0----0----0---5----0---0----0----0----1----0---0---0
    6th----------0----0----0----1---1----0---1----1----1----0----0---2---1
    
    Ruth---------BA---Hits-2B---3B---HR---R--RBI--TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league----1----0----1----0---12---8---6----6----9---13----0--11--13
    2nd league----2----0----1----0----2---1---2--- 3----2----1----0---1---1
    3rd-----------2----0----1----0----1---0---0----2----1----1----0---1---2
    4th-----------1----3----0----0----0---0---3----0----2----0----0---0---0
    5th-----------1----0----0----0----0---1---0----0----0----0----0---0---0
    6th-----------0----2----1----1----0---1---1----0----0----0----0---0---0
    
    Gehrig------BA---Hits-2B---3B---HR--Runs--RBI--TB---OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league---1----1----1----4----2----4----4----2----4----2---0---3--3
    2nd league---2----3----0----0----4----2----4----3----2----4---0---2--6
    3rd----------3----0----0----1----3----3----2----2----3----1---0---3--3
    4th----------0----1----0----0----1----2----2----0----0----3---0---0--0
    5th----------2----1----0----0----1----0----0----1----1----0---0---0--0
    6th----------1----0----1----0----1----0----0----1----0----0---0---1--0			
    							
    Ted Williams--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA--SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league-----6----0----2---0---4---6----4----6---12---8---0---8--9
    2nd in league--2----1----2---0---4---1----2----0----0---1---0---1--1
    3rd------------1----2----0---0---2---1----1----4----0---1---0---2--3
    4th------------1----1----2---0---0---1----1----0----0---2---0---0--0
    5th------------0----4----0---0---0---0----1----0----0---0---0---1--0
    6th------------0----0----0---0---3---0----0----0----1---0---0---1--0
    												
    Mickey Mantle--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR---Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league------1----1----0---1---4----6----1----3---3---4---0---5--8
    2nd in league---1----0----1---0---3----2----3----4---5---0---0---3--3
    3rd-------------1----0----0---0---2----1----1----2---1---2---0---2--1
    4th-------------2----2----0---1---0----0----0----1---2---0---2---0--0	
    5th-------------0----0----0---0---1----0----2----0---0---0---0---0--0
    6th-------------0----0----0---1---0----1----3----0---1---1---0---1--0				
    
    Willie Mays----BA---Hits-2B--3B---HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league------1----1----0---3----4---2----0----3---2---5---4---1--6
    2nd in league---3----1----1---1----1---5----2----5---1---3---0---1--1
    3rd-------------2----1----1---1----3---3----3----5---2---2---0---2--5
    4th-------------0----0----0---0----1---0----2----1---1---2---1---1--2
    5th-------------1----1----0---0----2---0----1----1---5---4---0---1--0
    6th-------------1----2----2---0----2---2----2----0---1---0---0---3--1	
    
    Hank Aaron----BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR---Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league-----2---2----4---0---4----3----4---8---0---4---0---0--3
    2nd in league--0---3----2---2---4----1----0---2---2---5---1---1--4
    3rd------------0---1----1---0---1----4----2---2---3---4---0---2--4
    4th------------3---0----1---2---2----2----2---2---1---1---2---2--1
    5th------------4---0----0---0---2----1----1---0---2---1---0---0--1
    6th------------0---3----1---0---2----1----1---1---1---2---2---0--2	
    
    Joe DiMaggio---BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA--SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league------2---0----0---1---2---1----2----3---0----2---0---0--1
    2nd in league---0---1----1---0---0---2----3----2---0----5---0---0--4
    3rd-------------2---1----0---4---1---0----3----1---2----0---0---0--2
    4th-------------0---2----1---0---5---0----1----1---3----0---0---0--0
    5th-------------0---0----0---0---2---2----1----2---0----0---0---0--1
    6th-------------0---1----1---0---1---1----1----0---0----1---0---0--0
    
    Tris Speaker--BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league-----1---2----8---0---1---0----0----1---4---1---0---0--1
    2nd in league--2---1----3---1---2---4----1----3---3---2---0---1--4
    3rd------------7---2----1---1---0---2----1----2---4---4---1---0--5	
    4th------------2---4----0---0---2---2----2----3---3---4---1---4--3
    5th------------1---2----0---0---0---0----0----1---1---2---3---2--3
    6th------------1---0----1---1---0---2----0----0---0---1---1---3--0
    
    Schmidt-----BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---0----0----0---0---8---1----4---3---3---5----0---4--6
    2nd league---0----0----0---0---1---2----1---1---0---2----0---2--1
    3rd league---0----0----0---0---2---6----4---0---0---2----0---3--2
    4th----------1----0----0---0---1---0----0---1---3---3----0---3--1
    5th----------0----0----0---0---0---0----0---4---1---0----0---0--1
    6th----------0----0----0---0---1---1----0---0---0---0----0---1--0
    
    Nap Lajoie---BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs--RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league----3---4----5---0---1----1----3---4---2---4---0---0--3
    2nd in league-3---0----4---1---0----1----1---2---2---3---0---0--3
    3rd-----------1---1----1---0---1----0----2---0---1---2---0---0--0
    4th-----------1---1----1---0---0----1----1---2---1---0---0---0--1
    5th-----------0---1----0---0---0----0----1---0---1---0---0---0--0
    6th-----------3---1----0---0---2----0----1---0---0---2---1---0--4
    
    Stan Musial-BA--Hits-2B---3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    Led league---7---6----8----5---0---5----2----6---6---6----0---1--6
    2nd league---2---3----3----1---1---4----0----2---7---3----0---0--4
    3rd----------5---2----1----1---1---4----3----1---0---0----0---2--0
    4th----------2---1----0----2---1---1----2----2---2---3----0---2--3
    5th----------1---0----0----1---1---1----2----2---0---1----0---2--0
    6th----------0---0----2----0---1---0----0----1---1---0----0---0--1
    
    Ed Collins--BA--Hits-2B--3B---HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    Led League---0---0----0---0----0---3----0---0----0---0---4---1--0
    2nd league---3---2----0---1----0---1----0---0----3---0---4---5--1
    3rd----------0---1----0---0----0---2----1---1----7---1---2---2--2
    4th----------5---1----1---0----0---2----0---0----2---0---2---2--2
    5th----------2---3----0---1----0---0----1---3----2---1---1---1--3
    6th----------1---1----0---2----0---1----0---1----1---2---1---1--0
    
    Crawford----BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR---Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---0----0----1---6---2----1----3----2---0---0---0---0--0
    2nd league---4----5----4---3---2----1----4----6---0---4---0---0--2
    3rd----------1----4----0---3---2----0----2----2---0---3---0---0--4
    4th----------2----0----1---0---1----1----2----1---2---1---0---0--3
    5th----------0----2----0---0---3----2----1----2---2---2---0---0--0
    6th----------1----0----2---3---1----0----2----1---1---0---1---0--1
    
    J.Jackson---BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---0----2----1---3---0---0----0---2---1----1----0---0--0
    2nd league---3----2----2---1---0---1----0---2---2----3----0---0--3
    3rd league---2----2----2---2---1---2----1---1---0----1----0---1--2
    4th----------2----2----0---1---0---1----4---1---3----2----0---0--1
    5th----------0----0----0---0---1---0----0---0---1----2----0---0--3
    6th----------0----0----0---0---0---1----0---0---0----0----1---0--0
    
    Z. Wheat----BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---1----0----2---0---0---0----0---0----0----1----0---0--0
    2nd league---1----3----2---0---0---0----0---0----0----0----0---0--1
    3rd league---2----2----1---0---0---1----2---0----0----1----0---0--1
    4th----------2----0----0---0---1---0----0---0----2----2----0---0--1
    5th----------1----1----0---2---2---0----1---0----1----1----0---0--2
    6th----------0----0----0---1---2---1----2---0----0----0----0---0--1
    
    Edd Roush--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league--2----0----1---1---1---0----0---1---0----1----0---0--1
    2nd league--2----0----1---2---0---0----1---0---0----0----1---0--1
    3rd league--1----3----0---3---0---0----1---0---1----1----0---0--2
    4th---------1----1----0---1---1---0----0---1---1----1----1---0--1
    5th---------1----1----0---0---0---2----0---1---1----0----0---0--0
    6th---------0----1----0---0---0---0----1---2---1----1----1---0--1
    
    J. Foxx-----BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG--SB--BB--OPS+
    led league---2-----0---0---0---4---1----3---3---3---5----0---2--5
    2nd league---2-----1---0---0---3---2----0---1---3---1----0---1--2
    3rd league---1-----2---0---0---2---1----3---0---3---2----0---3--0
    4th----------0-----0---0---0---3---2----2---3---0---1----0---4--3
    5th----------1-----0---0---0---0---1----0---1---2---2----0---0--1
    6th----------0-----0---0---0---0---1----2---1---0---1----0---0--0
    
    Clemente----BA---Hits-2B--3B---HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---4----2----0---1----0---0----0----0---0---0---0---0--0
    2nd league---2----1----1---1----0---0----2----1---1---0---0---0--1
    3rd league---1----1----0---2----0---0----0----1---0---1---0---0--1
    4th----------2----1----0---1----0---2----0----0---1---0---0---0--0
    5th----------1----1----1---4----0---0----0----1---0---1---0---0--0
    6th----------0----1----2---1----0---0----0----0---3---1---0---0--1
    
    
    Yaz----------BA---Hits-2B-3B--HR---Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league----3----2---3---0---1----3----1---2---5---3----0---2--4
    2nd league----2----0---1---0---0----1----0---0---1---0----0---3--1
    3rd league----0----0---2---1---1----1----1---0---1---0----0---1--0
    4th-----------0----2---0---0---1----1----0---2---0---1----0---1--0
    5th-----------0----1---0---0---0----1----1---0---0---0----0---2--0
    6th-----------0----1---1---0---0----0----0---2---0---0----0---0--1
    
    Anson-------BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR---Runs--RBI-TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league--2----1----3--0---0-----0----8---1---4----0----0---1---1
    2nd league--5----4----2--1---0-----0----3---2---5----4----0---1---2
    3rd league--2----2----2--0---4-----0----3---2---1----1----0---1---1
    4th---------1----0----2--0---1-----2----0---2---1----3----0---2---3
    5th---------2----3----0--1---1-----2----0---0---2----1----0---0---3
    6th---------0----0----1--0---0-----4----0---3---3----0----0---2---1
    
    Bonds------BA---Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
    led league--2----0----0--0---2---1----1---1---8----7----0--10---9
    2nd league--0----0----0--0---5---3----1---0---3----1----0---4---3
    3rd league--1----0----0--0---1---6----0---1---0----1----1---1---2
    4th---------1----0----0--0---4---0----4---0---2----3----1---0---0
    5th---------0----0----0--0---0---1----0---3---1----1----2---0---1
    6th---------0----0----0--2---0---3----2---1---0----1----2---0---0
    
    B. Williams--BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    led league----1---1----0--0---0---1----0---3---0---1---0---0--1
    2nd league----0---0----1--1---2---0----3---1---1---0---0---0--0
    3rd league----0---3----3--1---3---0----0---1---0---2---0---0--1
    4th-----------2---0----1--0---1---1----0---1---0---1---0---0--0
    5th-----------0---1----0--1---0---2----0---1---0---0---0---0--0
    6th-----------0---1----0--0---1---0----0---0---0---1---0---1--0
    
    Kiner-------BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---0---0----0--0---7---1----1---1---1---3---0---3--0
    2nd league---0---0----0--0---0---0----3---2---0---0---0---3--0
    3rd league---0---0----0--0---0---1----1---0---2---1---0---0--0
    4th league---1---0----0--0---0---1----0---2---0---2---0---1--2
    5th----------1---0----0--0---1---1----1---0---0---0---0---0--0
    6th----------0---1----0--0---0---0----1---0---2---0---0---1--0
    
    Killebrew---BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR---Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB--OPS+
    led league---0---0----0--0---6----0----3---0---1---1---0---4---0
    2nd league---0---0----0--0---2----1----2---2---1---3---0---1---1
    3rd league---0---0----0--0---2----1----2---4---2---4---0---3---2
    4th----------0---0----0--0---0----1----1---0---5---0---0---1---5
    5th----------1---0----0--0---2----0----0---2---2---2---0---1---2
    6th----------0---0----0--0---0----1----1---1---0---0---0---0---0
    
    Rose--------BA-Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB--OPS+
    led league---3---7---5--0---0---4----0---0---1---0---0---0---0
    2nd league---2---5---2--2---0---3----0---1---1---0---0---0---0
    3rd league---0---1---4--0---0---3----0---1---3---0---0---0---0
    4th----------1---1---0--0---0---1----0---1---1---0---0---2---0
    5th----------1---2---2--2---0---1----0---1---1---0---0---2---0
    6th----------0---0---0--1---0---0----0---1---0---0---0---1---1
    
    Gwynn------BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR---Runs-RBI-TB---OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    led league--8---7----0--0---0----1----0---0----1---0---0---0--0
    2nd league--1---0----1--3---0----0----0---0----2---0---1---0--0
    3rd league--2---1----1--0---0----0----0---1----0---0---0---0--1
    4th---------1---0----1--0---0----1----0---0----1---0---0---0--1
    5th---------1---0----0--1---0----0----0---0----2---0---0---0--0
    6th---------0---0----0--0---0----0----1---0----0---0---1---0--1
    
    Kaline-----BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs--RBI-TB---OBA-SLG-SB--BB--OPS+
    led league--1----1---1--0---0----0----0---1----0---1---0---0---1
    2nd league--3----1---1--0---0----1----2---1----3---1---0---0---2
    3rd league--2----1---1--0---0----0----0---0----2---1---0---0---1
    4th---------1----1---0--1---0----0----0---2----0---1---1---0---1
    5th---------0----0---2--1---0----1----1---0----2---1---0---1---0
    6th---------0----1---1--1---0----1----1---1----0---1---1---1---0
    
    Greenberg---BA---Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---0----0----2--0---4----1---4---2---0---1---0---2--0
    2nd league---0----0----2--0---2----1---1---3---2---4---0---1--4
    3rd league---0----0----1--1---0----1---1---1---2---2---0---0--1
    4th----------0----1----0--0---0----1---1---0---0---0---0---0--2
    5th----------1----1----0--1---0----0---0---1---0---0---0---0--0
    6th----------1----1----0--0---0----0---0---0---0---0---0---3--0
    
    Waner-------BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB--OPS+
    led league---3---2----2--2---0---2----1---1---0---0---0---0---0
    2nd league---1---3----1--5---0---2----0---0---2---0---1---2---0
    3rd league---0---1----1--0---0---0----0---1---2---1---0---1---1
    4th----------3---1----2--1---0---1----0---2---1---2---0---1---4
    5th----------1---0----0--0---0---0----0---3---1---2---0---0---0
    6th----------0---2----1--0---0---1----0---1---2---0---0---0---1
    
    R.Jackson----BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB--OPS+
    led league----0---0----0--0---4----2---1---0---0---3---0---0---4
    2nd league----0---0----3--0---3----0---0---3---0---2---0---1---1
    3rd league----0---0----0--0---1----1---1---0---0---1---0---0---0
    4th-----------0---0----0--0---1----0---1---1---1---0---0---1---1
    5th-----------0---0----1--0---2----2---0---0---1---2---0---1---1
    6th-----------0---0----0--0---0----0---3---0---2---1---0---0---1
    
    Boggs--------BA--Hits-2B-3B--HR--Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
    led league---5----1----2--0---0---2----0---0---6---0---0---1--1
    2nd league---1----5----3--0---0---0----0---0---1---0---0---0--2
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    Leave it to Bill to inject stats into every thread.

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    Rickey was supposed to be an awesome football player in high school, and was even recruited by a few colleges as a running back. I certainly would imagine Rickey as a great runner, of course he has the speed, but he also is somewhat stocky, and very strong and muscular. I remember I was looking at a baseball card of Henderson in 1990, and he was running back to the dugout after making an out. You could see his quadricep literally bursting out of his pants. I would bet that if he challened his efforts that way Rickey may have been able to make the NFL.

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    Best player of the 80's? I like Ozzie Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwiggins
    Leave it to Bill to inject stats into every thread.
    I do stats in post #15, and Chris does historical in post #18. Ironic, isn't it? What's the world coming to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlecBoy006
    Best player of the 80's? I like Ozzie Smith.
    I like Schmidtie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by william_burgess@usa.net
    I like Schmidtie.

    I'll take Clemens just to be difficult.

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    Nah, Clemens came in too late. No doubt what Clemens did do in the 80's was amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 538280
    EH, I think Rickey did have a passion for the game but it just wasn't the type of passion that many people liked to see. I think he loved the game, and his continuing to play wherever he possibly can after his career shows that, his talking and being very freindly with the fans in Boston shows that, his own play even shows that. But I do agree with you that fierce, the word you use, is not the right way to describe his passion. His passion is serious, but it's a more laid back passion. A lot of people don't like that. I don't mind it though, I have no problem with a guy who enjoys the game, has lots of fun playing, and shows that on the field.
    I read a story, I think in the New Yorker, about Rickey's recent sojourn with an independent league club, I believe the same league where Jose Canseco pitched. He seemed like someone out of a folk tale, possessed by baseball, fated to wander the earth forever in search of a game. It was kind of sad, tawdry even, but kind of wonderful, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlecBoy006
    Best player of the 80's? I like Ozzie Smith.
    Rickey has a Barry Sanders type body. I can easily envision Rickey being a great running back.

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    I remember Henderson in his prime [along w/Tim Raines] being an amazing player who would get on base, steal one, and then score. I was so glad that there was someone to steal bases at an insane rate, taking place of Lou Brock in this role [and doing it much better].
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlecBoy006
    Best player of the 80's? I like Ozzie Smith.
    Smith, was great, but fielding is just not as important as what you do on offense. Henderson got on base a lot more, had a lot more power, and even hit for a better average. He was a very good fielder too at his position, though I would agree that he was not near Smith on defense. But hitting is just more important than fielding, the offensive gap between Smith and Rickey is not really something that can be made up, probably not even if Henderson was a horrible defensive player.

    But let's just talk about Rickey the man. No statistical debates here.

    If you were to make a list of players who bring an extra dynamic to a game, not found in the numbers, where would Rickey be? I'd think in terms of value outside the numbers he's be up there all time. The only thing that may bring him back is that he sometimes could be a bit diviseive, like the card playing after the 1999 NLCS that EH mentioned. But Rickey was a terror on the basepaths, and especially early in his career you almost knew he's have second at least. How must that feel to a pitcher knowing that second will be gone on the next pitch no matter what he does? Rickey also seemed to breed great RBI men wherever he went. He had Tony Armas in Oakland at first, then Mattingly (I know Mattingly did get hurt, but I've always wondered if Rickey being gone hurt his hitting too), then later in Oakland he had Canseco and McGwire. Everywhere he went sluggers popped up behind him. I have a feeling Rickey himself had a lot to do with this. Anyone agree?

    I'm also intersted, in case anyone has the data, in how many times Rickey got on first, stole second and third, then scored and a sac fly or groundout. I've heard he did it numerous times but I'd like to know the exact number. According to some accounts I've read Rickey was good for about 20 runs a season in this way in his early Oakland years. I tend to think that number is probably exaggerated, but if anyone has any PBP data and could share that it would be appreciated. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 538280
    I'm also intersted, in case anyone has the data, in how many times Rickey got on first, stole second and third, then scored and a sac fly or groundout. I've heard he did it numerous times but I'd like to know the exact number. According to some accounts I've read Rickey was good for about 20 runs a season in this way in his early Oakland years. I tend to think that number is probably exaggerated, but if anyone has any PBP data and could share that it would be appreciated. Thanks.
    I would not be shocked if he did that 20 times in 1982, if you include the times he stole second and went to third on a throwing error. He stole multiple bases that year 34 times, 15-20 times doesn't seem that unreasonable. Esp if you consider how fast he could get from third to home back then.

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