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  1. #121
    Garver was a far better pitcher than his lifetime 129-157 won-lost mark would indicate. He spent his entire career with bad St. Louis Browns, bad Kansas City Athletics, a bad inaugural year Los Angeles Angels expansion team and mostly so-so mid-1950s Detroit Tigers clubs. He had one great season, 1951 where he earned the start for the American League in the all-star game (opposite the NL's Robin Roberts) and he would go on to go 20-12 in his only all-star year. His 14-11 with a low earned run average (2.81) for a Tigers team that finished 18 games below .500 in 1954 was another career highlight.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post

    Chuck Stevens 07/10/18 - 98
    Tom Jordan 09/05/19 - 96
    George Elder 03/10/21 - 95
    Johnny Hetki 05/12/22 - 94
    Jim Rivera 07/22/22 - 93

    Tom Wright 09/22/23 - 92
    Billy DeMars 08/26/25 - 90
    Frank Saucier 05/28/26 - 90
    Johnny Groth 07/23/26 - 89
    Ed Mickelson 09/09/26 - 89

    Roy Sievers 11/18/26 - 89
    Al Naples 08/29/27 - 88
    Billy Hunter 06/04/28 - 88
    Don Larsen 08/07/29 - 86
    J.W. Porter 01/17/33 - 83
    With the passing of Browns ace pitcher Ned Garver, as reported on BB Ref.com today, only 15 former Browns players remain.
    Last edited by Calif_Eagle; 03-01-2017 at 12:53 PM.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
    Updated to reflect the passing of Joe DeMaestri (who was the third-youngest on our list) and Hal Hudson:

    We are now 15!



    Chuck Stevens 07/10/18 - 98
    Tom Jordan 09/05/19 - 97
    George Elder 03/10/21 - 96
    Johnny Hetki 05/12/22 - 94

    Jim Rivera 07/22/22 - 94
    Tom Wright 09/22/23 - 93
    Billy DeMars 08/26/25 - 91
    Frank Saucier 05/28/26 - 90

    Johnny Groth 07/23/26 - 90
    Ed Mickelson 09/09/26 - 90
    Roy Sievers 11/18/26 - 90
    Al Naples 08/29/27 - 89
    Billy Hunter 06/04/28 - 88

    Don Larsen 08/07/29 - 87
    J.W. Porter 01/17/33 - 84
    I took the liberty of updating the ages.
    Player Ages are as of 3/10/2017. - (I've given George Elder credit for an extra year since he will turn 96 on March 10 less than a week from the time of this March 4 update). Stevens is now the 2nd oldest currently living major leaguer, topped in age only by Hall Of Famer, Bobby Doerr. Doerr is 94 days older than Stevens.
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    Last edited by philliesfiend55; 03-06-2017 at 12:06 PM.

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    *More than one great season. I dont have the stat handy but he led the AL in Pitcher WAR during the five-year period (I believe) 1947-1951.
    *Never played for a first-division team
    *Led the Browns in batting in 1951

    Only pitcher to have a winning record and win 20-games for a last-place team that lost 100 games. (You'd figure it might happen more after the 162-game schedule, plus more opportunities to finish in last with six divisions ... but nope.)

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
    *More than one great season. I dont have the stat handy but he led the AL in Pitcher WAR during the five-year period (I believe) 1947-1951.
    *Never played for a first-division team
    *Led the Browns in batting in 1951

    Only pitcher to have a winning record and win 20-games for a last-place team that lost 100 games. (You'd figure it might happen more after the 162-game schedule, plus more opportunities to finish in last with six divisions ... but nope.)
    Steve Carlton in his phenomenal 27-10 year with the 1972 Phillies nearly accomplished this feat (20 wins with a last-place, 100 loss team). Carlton racked up 45.8% of his team's 59 wins that year, but there had been a start of the season strike (first strike in history to result in the loss of regular season games). Teams lost between 6 and 9 games off their 162 game schedule due to the strike and thus played only between 153 and 156 games.*** The Phillies lost 6 games and thus played 156, going 59-97. Had the complete schedule been played there was a good chance that they would have lost at least 3 of these 6 games to finish with 100 losses or more. They were solidly entrenched in last-place, finishing 37.5 games behind the NL East division-winning Pittsburgh Pirates and they finished 11 games behind the next-to-last-place Montreal Expos.
    This is not to detract from what Ned Garver accomplished back in 1951. To this point, 65 seasons after Garver accomplished this feat no one has duplicated Garver's unique accomplishment.

    I'm just wondering what Brownies and 45s fan meant when he detailed the outlines of Ned's accomplishment when he included "having a winning record". Does that mean that some pitchers have won 20 games for a last-place team, that lost at least 100 games and have finished with a .500 record or a below .500 record?

    *** Hindsight is 20-20, but it certainly looks like the leagues made a mistake in 1972 by just picking up the schedule at a certain date after the strike was settled and allowing teams to play an unequal amount of games. Adding or subtracting a few games to ensure that all teams played a 154 or 156 game schedule would have been much smarter than playing unequal schedules. As a result of the uneven schedule one division title was determined due to this discrepancy. The Detroit Tigers beat the Boston Red sox out for the American League East title by one-half game. Detroit won the division finishing at 86-70, while Boston played one game less, to finish in second-place at 85-70
    Last edited by philliesfiend55; 03-06-2017 at 12:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
    I'm just wondering what Brownies and 45s fan meant when he detailed the outlines of Ned's accomplishment when he included "having a winning record". Does that mean that some pitchers have won 20 games for a last-place team, that lost at least 100 games and have finished with a .500 record or a below .500 record?
    Youre right, thats not necessary.

    There are basically 4 ways to slice this:
    1) "only pitcher in American League history to win at least 20 games in a season for a ball club that lost at least 100 times" which is what the New York Times did. But then implies there could be loads of National League players who did it.
    2) "Last major league pitcher to win 20 games in a season for a team that lost 100 games" ... Which is how the Washington Post did it. But that implies that there could be loads who did it before 1951.
    3) "only pitcher in history to win at least 20 games in a season for a ball club that lost at least 100 times and finished in last place." Two problems: it's long (probably why the Post and the Times didn't use it) and only the cognoscenti will realize that for the last 50 years there have been four and now six last-place teams, plus 8 more games for a team to lose.
    4) "only pitcher in history to win at least 20 games, and have a winning record for a team lost at least 100 times"

    Not sure which is the most galvanizing to the a) average fan, b) baseball nerd
    Last edited by Brownieand45sfan; 03-06-2017 at 08:32 AM.

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    George Elder phoned our club President out of the blue just to talk yesterday. He seems to be doing very well mentally. But is in a wheelchair and does not travel George is the 3rd oldest Brown (or 2nd, depending on what you think re: Tom Jordan). And 10th oldest MLB player.
    Quote Originally Posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
    I took the liberty of updating the ages.
    Player Ages are as of 3/10/2017. - (I've given George Elder credit for an extra year since he will turn 96 on March 10 less than a week from the time of this March 4 update). Stevens is now the 2nd oldest currently living major leaguer, topped in age only by Hall Of Famer, Bobby Doerr. Doerr is 94 days older than Stevens.
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