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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade8813
    Part of being "Mr. Cub" is popularity, and how much they're associated with the team.
    Definitely. Williams and Banks were close in talent, but Ernie's attitude and popularity definitely make him Mr. Cub.
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    Ahhh, you brought up my blog TFAM. I haven't worked on that in ages. Actually over my winter break I was writing an article on catchers in the majors today, but I had to come back to school halfway during it and I haven't started writing again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlecBoy006
    How bout this.
    Mr. 19th Century Cub- Cap Anson
    Mr. 20th Century Cub- Billy Williams
    Ah now come on, pick one.

    does Williams stats compare to Anson's? If you use stats only to decide who is the real Mr Cub... I think Cap might have the edge...
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    AB, you go looking in the goofiest places for controversy. Ernie Banks is Mr. Cub because 1) nobody alive ever saw Cap Anson play, 2) Banks is loved by the Cubs faithful, and 3) no one but Banks said "...Let's play two!"

    The epithet of "Mr. Cub" is not bestowed because Ernie is the greatest player the Cubs ever had, but because amongst living fans he is the one they most identify as the personification of the Cubs.
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    A fan would really have to be old enough to have seen Ernie play to really understand what he meant to baseball fans in Chicago. I dont think looking at stats even begin to tell the story.
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    I have Williams over Anson as the greatest Cub ever. Banks meant more to the Cubs, but even position ajustment could tell you Banks was one dimensional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlecBoy006
    I have Williams over Anson as the greatest Cub ever. Banks meant more to the Cubs, but even position ajustment could tell you Banks was one dimensional.
    Are you serious? I have to think this is a personal preference of yours. Have you looked at the numbers side by side?

    Cap played in less games 2276 to 2488
    Cap had less at bats 9101 to 9350
    Cap scored more runs 1719 to 1410
    Cap had more hits 2995 to 2711
    Cap had more doubles 528 to 434
    Cap had more triples 124 to 88
    Cap had LESS homers 97 to 426
    Cap had more RBI 1879 to 1475
    Cap had LESS walks 952 to 1045
    Cap had LESS Kís 294 to 1046
    Capís AVG/OBP/SLG .329/.395/.446 compared to Williamsí .290/.361/.492

    Notice Williams hit 329 more homeruns but still has a SLG% that is ONLY .046 points higher.

    I realize you started this thread to debate the "Mr Cub" title between Banks and Williams. But I think we would be wrong to keep Cap out of the debate, because stat-wise Anson's are on a different level. I dont think the era matters in this debate, we are talking best ever. Cap was the best player of his time as well... not just a mediocre player. Williams can not say he was the best player playing in the league when he played...

    I say best ever should be Cap Anson.

    Mr Cub should be Banks tho.
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    Cap has longevity on his side and due to some quirks at the end of his career probably squeezed out 5 more seasons then he would have without the quirks.

    It is kind of scary when you think about it. The Cubs have been around for over 120 years and yet the best player of all time in their franchise might have played over 100 years ago. That is just how badly Mr. PK Wrigley ran this company.

    Gabby Hartnett, Ernie Banks, Sammy Sosa, Ryne Sandberg, Billy Williams, Ron Santo, Stan Hack, and Cap Anson are probably all in the running for best Cub ever.

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    Steroid Sammy? Nah.

    Banks= 1 dimensional.

    Santo= No. But he gave it alot.

    Stan Hack= Nah.

    Gabby Hartnett- great catcher, but I wouldn't say so.

    Ryne Sandberg- now, he's my FAVORITE Cub, but I don't think he's the best.

    Cap Anson- played a long time ago where I don't know too much of.

    Billy Williams- AH! Now you're somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlecBoy006
    Cap Anson- played a long time ago where I don't know too much of.

    Billy Williams- AH! Now you're somewhere.
    You should have just titled this thread "Williams is my boy"...

    The stats were still tracked the same way along time ago as they were in the 60's/70's... And just looking at the numbers... Billy Williams can't even carry Cap's batbag for him.

    Sorry.

    Agree to disagree? I am fine with that.
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    I agree to disagree.

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    What about Spalding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jibbs67
    What about Spalding?
    Nah, Spalding isn't even the best pitcher in Cubs' history. Mordecai Brown was better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tearforamariner
    Nah, Spalding isn't even the best pitcher in Cubs' history. Mordecai Brown was better.
    By leaps and bounds, Mordecai was better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tearforamariner
    Nah, Spalding isn't even the best pitcher in Cubs' history. Mordecai Brown was better.
    They had a great pitching staff during the late 00's when they won those 2 consecutive world series and included a 116 win season when they didn't win it. Spalding was all by himself, and was pitching consecutive days at times.
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