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    Quote Originally Posted by scaffolds View Post
    That may be a big stretch, depite already being 25 yrs Butler hasn't hit in AA, Exposito did.
    I think Mike was talking about Expo, not Butler.
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    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    I think Mike was talking about Expo, not Butler.
    Yes, my bad for being unclear. I'd say Butler is an "organizational player". More of a taxi squad type than a starter, even.
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    Anyone had a look at our 1st rd pick from last yr Matt Barnes at Greenville? 2-0 in 3 GS 0.00 ERA and 25 K's in 16 IP. That is what is called making a name for yourself early and often. Should be exciting to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathies_dane View Post
    Anyone had a look at our 1st rd pick from last yr Matt Barnes at Greenville? 2-0 in 3 GS 0.00 ERA and 25 K's in 16 IP. That is what is called making a name for yourself early and often. Should be exciting to follow.
    Yes, he's started the year really well. The Sox have said they started him at Greenville to "get into 5-day routine", but will probably move him up a level at some point to High A. I think they did something similar with Casey Kelly and it was 8 or 10 starts before the promotion.

    Exciting young arm, though...and one that could climb quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D. View Post
    Yes, he's started the year really well. The Sox have said they started him at Greenville to "get into 5-day routine", but will probably move him up a level at some point to High A. I think they did something similar with Casey Kelly and it was 8 or 10 starts before the promotion.

    Exciting young arm, though...and one that could climb quickly.
    I'd expect him to be moved up around mid may. Looking forward to see how he'll do in high-A.
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathies_dane View Post
    Anyone had a look at our 1st rd pick from last yr Matt Barnes at Greenville? 2-0 in 3 GS 0.00 ERA and 25 K's in 16 IP. That is what is called making a name for yourself early and often. Should be exciting to follow.
    Henry Owens, a fellow 2011 draft pick, might also be interesting to follow in Greenville. In 10.2 IP over 3 games so far he has allowed 14 runs (all earned) but at the same time has struck out 22 batters. Wow.
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathies_dane View Post
    Anyone had a look at our 1st rd pick from last yr Matt Barnes at Greenville? 2-0 in 3 GS 0.00 ERA and 25 K's in 16 IP. That is what is called making a name for yourself early and often. Should be exciting to follow.
    Yeah, I follow him closely. He is one of the bright spots in an otherwise slow start of our top prospects. Brentz hasnt shown the ability to hit RHP at the AA level yet. Josť Iglesias is cirque du soleil with his glove and a wild swinging cyclops with no idea at the plate, Ranaudo and Workman are in XST, Swihart, Cechini, Coyle, Jacobs, Vitek have all slugging percentages below .400. Bradley, Lavarnway, Middlebrooks (yet with no plate discipline), Bogaerts and Tejeda have had good starts. Still early, but if we talk about good or bad starts, I would say it's a rather bad start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissRedSoxFan View Post
    Yeah, I follow him closely. He is one of the bright spots in an otherwise slow start of our top prospects. Brentz hasnt shown the ability to hit RHP at the AA level yet. Josť Iglesias is cirque du soleil with his glove and a wild swinging cyclops with no idea at the plate, Ranaudo and Workman are in XST, Swihart, Cechini, Coyle, Jacobs, Vitek have all slugging percentages below .400. Bradley, Lavarnway, Middlebrooks (yet with no plate discipline), Bogaerts and Tejeda have had good starts. Still early, but if we talk about good or bad starts, I would say it's a rather bad start.
    Form Speier:
    Middlebrooks had yet another tremendous game, going 3-for-4 with a homer in five plate appearances. Almost as notable was Middlebrooks’ walk, his second of the year, on a full-count pitch. While it would be easy to look at an OBP (.389) that is just 24 points higher than his average and conclude that Middlebrooks is a free-swinger who will struggle against more advanced pitching, that doesn’t appear to be quite accurate.

    Middlebrooks has simply shown a consistent ability not to miss the pitches that he feels he can drive. Moreover, he has a well-defined approach when at the plate, looking to get in advantage counts and then to drive pitches that are middle-away from center to right-center. (His homer on Wednesday was to center off of Nats starter John Lannan.)

    “He’s never been a high-walks guy, but right now he’s getting a lot of pitches to hit. He’s not striking out a lot and he’s not chasing a lot of bad pitches,” said Sox farm director Ben Crockett. “No matter what, to some extent, that’s the kind of hitter he’s going to be with some power, but his approach, more than anything, in terms of being able to use the entire field, it makes it hard for pitchers to pitch to him because of that. It’s really his strength. His ability to drive the ball to right field makes him dangerous.”

    The 23-year-old ranks fourth in the International League with a .365 average, fourth with a .654 slugging mark, fifth with a 1.043 OPS, is tied for third with four homer runs and second with 12 RBI. He is currently scorching, with four multi-hit games in his last five contests, a stretch in which he’s 9-for-21 with three homers and nine RBI. Anytime that a top prospect goes on such a run — particularly at the start of the year, when there are no slumps on a player’s record to drag numbers down from the stratosphere, it is natural to suggest he’s ready for the big leagues.

    Crockett, while noting that all players in Triple-A are by definition close to the majors, still has just over 100 plate appearances in Triple-A to his credit.

    “It’s still really early in the season. Obviously we’re happy and pleased with the way things have started, but we’re [14] games into the season so I think speculation beyond that is premature. [But] If the numbers finish like this,” Crockett mused, “we’ll be pretty happy.”
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
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    Well, plate discpline is probably something you learn in the minors. You can't just say, he is not a OBP-guy and never has been. Even if he is good enough to hit a high amount of pitches in AAA and has therefore not many walks, I don't think that approach will be succesful in the majors. I feel he could be a .270/.320/.460-hitter. That is quite good, but never ever Youkilis-level. His defense will make up for it WAR-wise. We shall see.

    Iglesias AAA stats are just scary. Is it possible to DH for a fielder and let John Lester hit instead?

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    Matt Barnes continues to cruise. In last night's matchup against top prospect Dylan Bundy he pitched 5 scoreless innings with 9 k's (2 bb's and 3 hits). Bundy by the way was perfect for 4 with 6 k's. The Drive unfortunately lost 4-2.
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    Matt Barnes continues to cruise. In last night's matchup against top prospect Dylan Bundy he pitched 5 scoreless innings with 9 k's (2 bb's and 3 hits). Bundy by the way was perfect for 4 with 6 k's. The Drive unfortunately lost 4-2.
    Nice to see the kid have some success right out of the gate. I figure it'll be another 2-3 starts and he'll be bumped up. You want them to taste success early, but not get TOO comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D. View Post
    Nice to see the kid have some success right out of the gate. I figure it'll be another 2-3 starts and he'll be bumped up. You want them to taste success early, but not get TOO comfortable.
    Yeah, it is. Though you have to consider, that Bundy was a high school player. Good college pitcher should dominate A-ball. That's why it was so dissapointing to see Ranaudo and even more Workman struggle a little bit last year. Barnes is soon 22 years old. He should finish the season at AA. Trevor Bauer is a college guy too, six month younger than Barnes and killing AA-hitters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissRedSoxFan View Post
    Yeah, it is. Though you have to consider, that Bundy was a high school player. Good college pitcher should dominate A-ball. That's why it was so dissapointing to see Ranaudo and even more Workman struggle a little bit last year. Barnes is soon 22 years old. He should finish the season at AA. Trevor Bauer is a college guy too, six month younger than Barnes and killing AA-hitters.
    Bauer is one of the most talented young pitchers on the planet (and one of the more interesting), so we can't expect his level of dominance from many other guys.

    That being said, Barnes will certainly move up soon to High-A (now that he's gotten his feet wet in pro ball and gotten on a 5-day schedule). If he does well there, could he get a taste of AA at the end of the year? Sure...it all depends on how he does in High-A over the summer.

    If he gets a taste of AAA at the end of the year, an aggressive rise would be 2013 being a AA/AAA year and him being in the bigs in September 2013 and in 2014. Less aggressive would be a full year of AA in 2013 and AAA in 2014 with a Sept 2014 callup and big leagues in 2015.

    All depends on how he reacts and pitches as he climbs the ladder, though!
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    Barnes promoted to Salem.

    from rotoworld:
    Red Sox prospect Matt Barnes has been promoted to High-A Salem after a short stay in the South Atlantic League.
    Barnes allowed just one run and registered a dominant 42/4 K/BB ratio in 26 2/3 innings for Low-A Greenville. The 21-year-old right-hander was a first-round pick of the Red Sox in last year's June Amateur Draft and should continue rising quickly through Boston's farm system.
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    Barnes promoted to Salem.

    from rotoworld:
    Nice...hopefully he continues to have success. Should be interesting to watch!
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    Middlebrooks & Cook being called up.

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    Ryan Kalish (shoulder) has begun playing long-toss and taking regular live batting practice.

    Kalish, who was placed on the 60-day disabled list in early-April, is working out at the Red Sox' extended spring trianing complex in Florida. "He's coming along and he's hitting on a field," GM Ben Cherington said Thursday. "So we'll let him do that for a little while and get him some live BP and then get him into game action down there." There's no timetable for his return to the majors.

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    Portland Sea Dogs Update: Stolmy Pimentel, Derrik Gibson, Dan Butler

    Derrik Gibson, SS

    Gibson was drafted back in 2008 by the Red Sox, a second-round selection who made his professional debut as an 18-year-old back in Rookie League and then Low-A Lowell. It's been a slow climb for him since, with Gibson spending all of 2009 at Low-A once more, and then repeating the one year, one level dance each season since.

    Except for that 2009 stint at Lowell, he's never been impressive statistically. His loftiest OPS as a pro is 776, with the second-place finish going to his 2011 at High-A Salem (627). He draws walks, and he doesn't strike out much, but he just hasn't shown much of an ability to hit to this point.

    He's also likely a future second baseman because of his arm, and more offense will be expected of him there. Until he starts to hit even a little, it's tough to even hand him an informational pamphlet from Utility Infielders Of America. Even the club that employs Willie Bloomquist has standards, you know.

    Boston hasn't been particularly aggressive with him, in the sense he's done one level per year, but he hasn't even shown as much progress offensively on a level-to-level basis as someone like Che-Hsuan Lin. Who, by the way, isn't in Boston while they are short on outfielders because he can't hit.

    Dan Butler, C

    Dan Butler isn't so much a prospect as he is organizational depth, but he's still interesting as a backstop who occasionally flashes some offensive ability. He's also moved up through the system quickly as of late, playing in Double-A Portland for the first time as a 24-year-old in 2011. He's back there now with Ryan Lavarnway on the 40-man roster and getting the playing time in Triple-A.

    Butler isn't a future everyday backstop, but thanks to his defense and ability to throw out runners, there's likely a backup job in his future. The Red Sox might be flush with young, promising catchers at the moment, but there's always room for someone who can block the plate, throw out a runner, and maybe lash a single every fourth or fifth day.

    Stolmy Pimentel, SP

    Pimentel didn't make his first start of the season until April 27, thanks to a lat injury that slowed him down this spring. Given his 2011, you expect horrible things to happen each time he takes the mound, but he's still young enough to turn things around. Whether or not he will do so is another matter entirely -- youth isn't everything.

    Pimentel struck out seven batters in five innings without surrendering a walk. He gave up seven hits, too, so he wasn't without some blemishes, but he scattered them enough to hold the opposition to two earned runs.

    If you've forgotten why Pimentel is a pitcher who you are only allowed to be cautiously optimistic about at present, here's a reminder of his 2011 campaign. Pimentel was crushed in Portland, failing to miss bats or find the strike zone, and he gave up 13.4 hits per nine. This wasn't just bad luck and batting average on balls in play -- well, the latter was part of it, but it was on Pimentel and not just the defense -- as he had problems with his command and sequencing.

    He was demoted to High-A Salem, where he had pitched successfully in 2010, and while things improved, it wasn't enough to convince anyone that panic time was over. Now, back in Portland, Pimentel essentially gets a second chance to erase the year of his development he lost.

    Failure can be productive for a prospect, but it can also be a sign that things just aren't going to happen. Watching Pimentel's progress in 2012 will go a long way towards telling us which way we should be thinking of him as a starter. He's on the 40-man roster, placed there following the 2010 season in order to protect him from the Rule 5 draft, so there's even more reason than usual to hope a young pitcher at Double-A pans out -- he's using up a valuable roster spot. More pitching, regardless of outcome, will give us a better idea of whether he's worth it or not.
    http://www.overthemonster.com/2012/5...tler#storyjump

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    Salem Red Sox Update: Jackie Bradley, Xander Bogaerts, Drake Britton

    Jackie Bradley, CF

    The 2011 season might have been slow for Jackie Bradley Jr. at both the collegiate and professional level, but he's making up for it now that he's in High-A. Bradley hit his first homer the other day, and has 10 extra-base hits in 23 games.

    He's also showing excellent plate discipline and pitch recognition, with walks in 16 percent of his plate appearances, and strikeouts just 14 percent of the time. It's far too early for those figures to have stabilized, but for someone the Red Sox drafted more for what he could be than what he had done, it's a great sign for the 22-year-old.

    There's almost nothing he hasn't done well, as he's flashed doubles power, stolen bases without having plus speed, patience, an ability to control a plate appearance, and a high batting average. Considering his age and the level, the real challenges for Bradley are going to come later -- will more advanced pitchers exploit his discipline, and take away his ability to influence the plate appearance's outcome? Will more refined backstops gun him down?

    He's been playing well enough to earn the chance to find out sooner than later, at least in terms of results, and Portland's outfield isn't full enough to hold him back in High-A on its own merits forever.

    Xander Bogaerts, SS

    There's no need to rush Bogaerts, who is three years younger than Bradley despite more experience in the minors. But he's been equally impressive, even more so when you consider that the average age of a hitter in the Carolina League is over 22 years old.

    Bogaerts struck out 24 percent of the time at Greenville as an 18-year-old, but despite the promotion to High-A, he's whiffing just 15 percent of the time. He's not doing it by being overly-aggressive, either, as he's drawing walks at an encouraging nine percent. Also, he has three homers already, slugging over .500 as a shortstop who hasn't even grown into his body yet.

    While that fact means he's not a shortstop forever, look at how he's hit before he gets the body to help him drive the ball even more. He's too young to know what he's going to be, but there are already flashes, and when you piece them together you see a special prospect.

    It will be interesting to see if the league starts to adjust to Bogaerts, or if he picks it up even further with more repetition against the league's arms. If it's the latter, you wonder if Boston is going to promote him aggressively, since he seems to be coming along faster than their last teenage prospect with this much potential, Will Middlebrooks.

    It's unlikely, but the fact you can ponder the scenario without it seeming outright silly goes to show you just how promising Bogaerts' time in Boston's system has looked.

    Drake Britton, SP

    The promotion of Matt Barnes to High-A likely means the end of Drake Britton as a starting pitcher. Barnes is taking Britton's place in the rotation this Saturday, and while there's been no official word, given Britton's struggles, it's unlikely one of the other arms is moved.

    That's not because Britton is a lost cause, but because, unlike someone like the 23-year-old, rarely intriguing Ryan Pressly, Britton might still have something significant to offer out of the bullpen. Britton was at his best when the Red Sox limited him to short outings following Tommy John surgery -- his 3.4 K/BB and 9.3 strikeouts per nine in 75 innings over 21 starts in 2010 is why we're all so disappointed with the last year of his career -- and he only has two viable pitches at the moment, anyway.

    Britton barely used a change-up when he was attempting to learn one, and it's essentially been scrapped in favor of his fastball and slider. While his confidence is supposedly better -- he's not noticeably giving up after failing this year -- there's still far too much failure going on. His ERA is 10.71, he's striking out roughly as many hitters as he's walking, and he's been highly-susceptible to the long ball.

    Put a lefty with Britton's velocity and fastball/slider combination in the bullpen, and this ship might right itself. Who knows, maybe, like Daniel Bard before him, Britton will learn to pitch to more advanced hitters out of the bullpen, rather than as a starter, and this whole process can be rebooted down the road. For now, though, starting seems like a potentially lost cause, whereas there's possible life in the bullpen for the now 23-year-old southpaw.
    http://www.overthemonster.com/2012/5...tton#storyjump

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