There's also the obvious skew of pitchers not getting to that count unless they are pitching well - especially economical pitchers like Pedro and, especially Maddux.
Originally Posted by csh19792001
From a simple standpoint, you change pitchers when you reach the point where your bullpen guy is likely to be more effective than the guy on the mound at the time (with some tangential concern for overall, long-term durability issues). I think a lot of these guys get lifted for specific situational match-ups, too.
I mean, how many pitches does Pedro Martinez have to throw before Mike Timlin is a better option? I'm thinking, like a couple of thousand...
But, maybe in one situational match-up, with a big lefty coming up, maybe you could make the case that Alan Embree is a better choice than Pedro with 90 pitches under his belt. Then we get the knee bone to the shin bone dynamic and as soon as a right comes up, Timlin becomes a better option than Embree.
Any sort of long term durability issues notwithstanding (for the moment), I'll take a tired Pedro over some subpar reliever any day.
That's why I long raised the question, if the Sox had the Yankees pen throughout the late 90s, would Pedro's fragility become so much of an issue (in its own time)? Having a seven inning pitcher is a lot less of a liability if you are handing 3-1 games over to Stanton, Nelson, Mendoza, Rivera and so forth.
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