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    "Is Mike Gonzalez done?" gist of this article.

    I figured that this deserved its own thread, even though I already mentioned this in the season thread. Someone was freaked out enough to order this article written.

    Gonzalez at loss for recent arm woes

    He's being compared to Steve Avery now.

    Please note, I don't believe this means Gonzalez is finished at all. This loss of velocity in this one instance may mean he has a hurt arm, but that's nothing surgery can't try to help. It is just one relief appearance too.

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    I tend to think that's outright paranoia. Check this out...

    "But the fact that he hadn't pitched since Friday erased the thought that he was simply battling fatigue."

    The flipside of the coin, of course, is that A) his complex mechanics require him (and any pitcher like him...Henry Owens, Jorge Sosa, Scott Kazmir, and Carlos Villanueva all come to mind) to throw often; perhaps he wasn't throwing enough during bullpen sessions and/or B) he's simply pitching THROUGH tendonitis. Certain pitchers (Aaron Heilman this year and Braden Looper with the Marlins and Mets are good examples, and I believe David Wells has thrown through tendonitis as well) CAN throw through mild tendonitis, but it lessens their velocity and effectiveness. Often, a sign of this is when a pitcher's breaking ball turns ineffective and/or he stops throwing it because it causes pain.

    I severely doubt it's time to hit the panic button on Mike Gonzalez.
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    i hope its nothing.. hes been stellar for us this year.. and for his sake, theres a lot of money to be made with that golden arm of his..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalkowski110 View Post
    I tend to think that's outright paranoia. Check this out...

    "But the fact that he hadn't pitched since Friday erased the thought that he was simply battling fatigue."

    The flipside of the coin, of course, is that A) his complex mechanics require him (and any pitcher like him...Henry Owens, Jorge Sosa, Scott Kazmir, and Carlos Villanueva all come to mind) to throw often; perhaps he wasn't throwing enough during bullpen sessions and/or B) he's simply pitching THROUGH tendonitis. Certain pitchers (Aaron Heilman this year and Braden Looper with the Marlins and Mets are good examples, and I believe David Wells has thrown through tendonitis as well) CAN throw through mild tendonitis, but it lessens their velocity and effectiveness. Often, a sign of this is when a pitcher's breaking ball turns ineffective and/or he stops throwing it because it causes pain.

    I severely doubt it's time to hit the panic button on Mike Gonzalez.
    So do I. I guess some Braves people (and fans) are convinced that the low-velocity means Gonzalez is damaged goods now and this would be a Chris Reitsma-style situation.

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    Figures. I'll bet he was trying to pitch through tendonitis. Seriously, I've really been pulling for Mike to succeed (ditto to John Smoltz, who I hope gets better...I'm not your typical Mets fan, and consider myself a baseball fan first, Mets fan second). He went from a nowhere team to a truly competitive one and seemed to be on his way to some well-deserved stardom.

    "I guess some Braves people (and fans) are convinced that the low-velocity means Gonzalez is damaged goods now and this would be a Chris Reitsma-style situation."

    Heh...reminds me of a lot of Mets fans screaming "We have to get rid of so-and-so via trade/DFA/release/reassignment to the Gulf Coast League as a peanut vendor because he's not having immediate incredible success!"

    And I can already see Buster Olney (for those who don't read the New York Mets Rumor Mill, saying that I hate Buster is an understatement) inventing a trade rumor with the St. Louis Cardinals for a first base prospect stuck behind Albert Pujols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalkowski110 View Post
    Figures. I'll bet he was trying to pitch through tendonitis. Seriously, I've really been pulling for Mike to succeed (ditto to John Smoltz, who I hope gets better...I'm not your typical Mets fan, and consider myself a baseball fan first, Mets fan second). He went from a nowhere team to a truly competitive one and seemed to be on his way to some well-deserved stardom.

    "I guess some Braves people (and fans) are convinced that the low-velocity means Gonzalez is damaged goods now and this would be a Chris Reitsma-style situation."

    Heh...reminds me of a lot of Mets fans screaming "We have to get rid of so-and-so via trade/DFA/release/reassignment to the Gulf Coast League as a peanut vendor because he's not having immediate incredible success!"

    And I can already see Buster Olney (for those who don't read the New York Mets Rumor Mill, saying that I hate Buster is an understatement) inventing a trade rumor with the St. Louis Cardinals for a first base prospect stuck behind Albert Pujols.
    Heh heh. The Braves are looking to have Thorman and Saltalamacchia at first base, so there should be no problem there. On the other hand, with Paronto's recent failure, would that mean an appearance of Mark Redman. lefty specialist?

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    "lefty specialist?"

    Redman has only appeared in 12 games as a reliever thoughout his career. Stat line ain't pretty...

    G GS GF W L S CG SHO IP ERA H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP


    12 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 23.1 6.17 28 18 16 5 8 0 18 2

    Hopefully he can somehow resurrect his career, but at this point, if it were me, I'd go with Macay McBride, who despite the disastrous outings has at least more upside than Mark Redman.
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    Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalkowski110 View Post
    "lefty specialist?"

    Redman has only appeared in 12 games as a reliever thoughout his career. Stat line ain't pretty...

    G GS GF W L S CG SHO IP ERA H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP


    12 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 23.1 6.17 28 18 16 5 8 0 18 2

    Hopefully he can somehow resurrect his career, but at this point, if it were me, I'd go with Macay McBride, who despite the disastrous outings has at least more upside than Mark Redman.
    You forget, Dal, Cox has more faith in veterans than rookies sometimes. Why do you think that the Braves didn't release Todd Pratt and Brian Jordan? Cox is convinced that Redman has something left, I'm sure of it.

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    You have something there, and I doubt he'll hang up his spikes for a while, but I'd think Redman would be turned into a mopup guy or long reliever rather than a LOOGY.
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    Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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    If you look at his stats against Lefties this year in starts, it's really not that bad. He just can't pitch against righties AT ALL. He could be a LOOGY in my opinion, but really OO, not two...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clennon View Post
    If you look at his stats against Lefties this year in starts, it's really not that bad. He just can't pitch against righties AT ALL. He could be a LOOGY in my opinion, but really OO, not two...
    See, there we go.

    left handers against Redman - 3-20, .150/.190/.190
    right handers against Redman - 31-72, .431/.488/.708

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    Good point. I was looking at his career splits, which aren't as exaggerated.
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    Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalkowski110 View Post
    Good point. I was looking at his career splits, which aren't as exaggerated.
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