I've had enough
Gotta get Wickman outta the closer role!
this is bulls**t!
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I've had enough
Gotta get Wickman outta the closer role!
this is bulls**t!
Last edited by Atlanta Braves Freak; 07-01-2007 at 02:42 PM.
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Yeah, that really sucks. And we lose the game.
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Calm Down! It is not something to overreact to. He almost blew it last night and he did blow it today but has not been nearly as bad as Kolb or Reitsma was last year. A blown save like this can make people overreact. Just calm down.
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I'll take your advice. But, after winning 5 straight, I hate to see them lose a game like this.
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These games are going to happen it is more important about how the team reacts to a loss like this then the actual loss.
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i have watched as he has been ineffective all year
nothing ever seems to go smoothly with him anymore
over reacting? i think we are all past that, its time he moves to a less pressured role, set up guy, anything
i just can't stand watching him come in for a save situation anymore
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Well, I think you're going to have to live with it. Wickman's fine if he doesn't face Florida, notice that? Besides which, he stinks on the road.
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I don't know where you get that he hasn't gone smoothly. Yes, he has had outings where he lets a hit or two or people get on but that is the kind of pitcher he is. He isn't a Billy Wagner type he isn't coming in and blowing people away and if you expected him to be that type then you were setting yourself up for dissapointment.
He has four blown saves two came when he was injured. Another was just a blown save against the Twins. The night before I don't think he should have been in the game as it wasn't a save situation and today I don't think he should of been brought in since he worked a pretty long inning. Today I felt like he was going to blow the save because Florida seems to own him and I wasn't sure if his arm was good.
Also I don't think he could be a setup man since he has been a closer for most of his career. Just like Mike Gonzalez said he had problems with not being a closer and getting in the same kind of mindset. Just because you or I think it is easy to convert from one role to another doesn't make it true. Now do I know for a fact he would fail in that role of course not but from what other closers who went to setup roles say it is not a sure thing that he will be able to.
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I watched the game until right after Escobar's 2RBI single. TBS showed an image of Bob warming up in the bullpen about that time. I kinda shook my head in disbelief that he was coming in after last night. Oh, well...
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It's just one of those things. You think he doesn't know what's going on? I think Wickman will be fine. If anything else, I think that if Soriano had had those bad outings of his in the closer's role, people would be calling for HIS head.
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It was a year and one day ago when Bob Wickman came in a non-save situation for the Indians at Great American Ballpark. Then this happened.
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/media...e=v_free&_mp=1
Unlike most other team sports, in which teams usually have an equivalent number of players on the field at any given time, in baseball the hitting team is at a numerical disadvantage, with a maximum of 5 players and 2 base coaches on the field at any time, compared to the fielding team's 9 players. For this reason, leaving the dugout to join a fight is generally considered acceptable in that it results in numerical equivalence on the field, and a fairer fight.
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Walk off Grand Slam
Ouch!
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Maybe when Lidge is heathly we make a swap!
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... you're joking, right?
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Ok he gave up a homer second pitch in a save situation, but then retired the side to keep us in the game, unfortunate, but what was more unfortunate was losing the game on an unearned run due to an error. Don't forget that we wouldn't even have been in that position if it wasn't for wild pitches from Florida.
turn on, tune in, chill out.........
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We should just let Moylan or Soriano close. They have been our most consistent relievers.
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I am a Moylan fan and even I don't think he could handle the closer role.
So you want Lidge who lost his closer role and hasn't been the same since blowing it against Pujols. He is having a decent season but not as a closer and he has blown 3 saves.
If the Braves were going to get a closer option it would most likely be someone like Akinori Otsuka. I will say that most of you guys are overreacting and rushing to judgement far to quickly like I did with Buddy who has pitched well in most of his starts.
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Yeah I agree. Making a move now would be a horrible decision. Just like the braves went into a hitting slump for a period of week's, the same thing can happen to pitchers. Yes we came back late, and yes it hurt, but we still won 5 of 6.
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Being reactionary doesn't work. It kills teams for years.
Let me remind you naysayers of this once again. I don't claim to understand the impact personally, but I understand the consequences.
The Braves needed a pitcher in 1983 because they lost Rick Honeycutt to the Dodgers.
Braves get:
P Len Barker
Indians get:
OF Brett Butler
3B Brook Jacoby
P Rick Behenna
The Braves went through an outfield shuffle the next few years and when Bob Horner had all the injuries, they could have easily used Jacoby. And what did they get? A few games of an injured and bad pitcher. Do we want to make this same mistake again to get ANY kind of starter?
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non save situation tonight, last game before the allstar break
wickman almost blew it again, gave up 5 hits in 1 inning.....
good thing we had a 4 run lead...
there isn't much we can do about it... but i'm still mildy annoyed by the fans out there that are saying we are overracting about wickman
1.63 WHIP & 4.80 ERA this season.... he can be very hittable
i just wish he was more consistent day in day out...
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Apparently, he was leaving all those pitches up in the zone and they wre slapping them for singles. And they were playing in San Diego. Wickman stinks ON THE ROAD.non save situation tonight, last game before the allstar break
wickman almost blew it again, gave up 5 hits in 1 inning.....
good thing we had a 4 run lead...
there isn't much we can do about it... but i'm still mildy annoyed by the fans out there that are saying we are overracting about wickman
1.63 WHIP & 4.80 ERA this season.... he can be very hittable
i just wish he was more consistent day in day out...
Good thing Marcus Giles was there to screw things up for the Padres, eh?
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Yes, Marcus Giles is still one of our favorite players for being reliably bad. He's still a brave at heart, taking that third strike on the outside edge.
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I didn't think he should have been in the game as I thought Moylan should have gotten another inning then Ledezma and Soriano only because it wasn't a save situation. I think the one thing that Bobby shouldn't do is bring Wickman in a situation where it isn't a save as he doesn't seem to pitch well.
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i've always liked Mark Lemke from back in the day.... Marcus Giles used to reminded me of a buffer Lemke
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