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    Castro-era Cuban stars

    OK, fellas, I know a number of you know a heck of a lot more about Cuban baseball than I do in the Castro era. That said, I've done some research on my own and have come up with a rating based solely on career leaders in various categories and leadership in those same categories in various series. I'm sure the list isn't perfect, as it can't deal with defensive value and it also only recognizes the top dog every season, not the other top players. My excuse is that I'm using the data I have. Anyway, I want to give short bios for each of these players beyond their career line, top ten finishes in career marks, and league leaderships. I have a nice base in the form of Peter Bjarkman's History of Cuban Baseball, but his book doesn't give what I want for all the guys on my list, and has some other holes. I'm hoping you can help. Here's the list, in descending order:

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    Linares, Omar
    Vinent, Braudilio
    Munoz, Antonio
    Garcia, Rogelio
    Kindelan, Orestes
    Valdes, Jorge L.
    Junco, Lazaro
    Lazo, Pedro L.
    Yanes, Carlos A.
    Pacheco, Antonio
    Mesa, Victor
    Sanchez, Wilfredo
    Diaz, Enrique
    de la Torre
    Rodriguez, Pedro J.
    Casanova, Luis G.
    Ibar, Jose
    Aleman, Jose L.
    Sanchez, Fernando
    Mendez, Javier
    Ajete, Omar
    Mederos, Santiago
    Martinez, Romelio
    Corrales, Faustino
    Ulacia, Luis
    Enriquez, Michel
    Urrutia, Osmani
    Ruiz, Walfrido
    Perez, Juan C.
    Bejerano, Victor
    If you can point to a source for your comment, I will appreciate it, though I also welcome personal opinions. If you want more credit in my article than your BBF user name, please PM me with what information you want in the article. I'll have to use some author's discretion, of course, but I'd like to accomodate those who do me a favor. Thanks.

    Jim Albright
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    Jim,


    You may find some valuable info about players in your list here:

    http://www.cubancards.com/aboutsite.shtml

    This is the stadium in my hometown which is the worst one in Cuba. The Candido Gonzalez stadium.


    I am still looking.
    Last edited by Cubano100%; 07-17-2007 at 09:44 AM.

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    Thanks. I'll take a good look at it. I didn't have much luck searching either.

    Jim Albright
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    Jim,

    A couple of forumers in the Cuban forum came out with these names. I publish their list and anybody on bold it is questionable on these lists. Some players may be repeated in these lists.


    First list:

    ARMANDO CAPIRO
    REY VICENTE ANGLADA
    RODOLFO PUENTE
    FELIX ISASI
    AGUSTIN MARQUETTI
    PEDRO JOVA
    AGUSTIN ARIAS
    URBANO GONZALEZ
    MANUEL HURTADO
    AQUINO ABREU
    MODESTO VERDURA
    JUAN PEREZ PEREZ
    JOSE A. HUELGA
    JUAN CASTRO
    MIGUEL CUEVAS
    FERMIN LAFITTA
    RIGOBERTO ROSIQUE
    MANUEL ALARCON
    RIGOBERTO BETANCOURT


    Second list:

    1-oscar macias
    2-j.carlos millan
    3-pedro jova
    4-Orlando "el duke" Hernandez
    5-Rolando arrojo
    6-norge.l vera
    7-eduardo paret
    8-gabriel pierre
    9-lazaro vargas
    10-agustin marquetti
    11-pedro medina
    12-pedro luis rodrigues He is in Miami according to a friend of mine. He went to Bolivia as a coach and defected. He would have played in the majors. It is so sad.



    Third list:

    Urbano Gonzalez
    Agustin Marquetti
    Lazaro Vargas
    Juan Padilla
    Oscar Macias
    Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez
    Livan Hernandez too young when he defected
    Jose A. Contreras
    Kendry Morales
    Yobal Dueñas
    Felix Isasi
    Euclides Rojas
    Jose A. Huelga
    Rene Arocha
    Lazaro Madera
    Andy Morales
    Eduardo Paret
    Alexander Mayeta
    Yuliesky Gourriel
    Yovani Aragon
    Adiel Palma
    Oscar Machado
    Rey Isaac
    Jorge Luis Toca
    Michel Abreu He was supposed to be the Cuban first baseman after Orestes KIndelan retired. Cuban officials gave to Kendry Morales and Abreu retired. He sat out 4 years before defecting. He spent 2 or 3 years in Central America after finally getting a chance in AA Mets. He was the best hitter in AA in 2006.
    Amaury Cazañas
    Ariel Pestano Current Cuban team catcher.
    Maels Rodriguez He played a few years in Cuba. He defected injured. He was the most dominant pitcher while he was healthy. I think he holds a strike out record for a season.
    Lourdes Gourriel Yuliesky Gourriel father. His number may not be that good.
    Juan Castro One of the best defensive catchers
    Ariel Prieto
    Lazaro Valle Number one starter for Industriales and Cuban team
    Carlos Tabares
    Jorge Fumero

    Armando Capiro
    Eliecer Montes de Oca
    Evenecer Godinez
    Manuel Benavides
    Fermin Laffita
    Last edited by Cubano100%; 07-17-2007 at 01:13 PM.

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    Maybe Gaspar Legon, Juan Perez Perez, Omar Carrero and Oscar Romero all pitchers.

    Kep in mind that many of these players are from the latter years because we are not that all and do not remember the players from the 1960's and 1970's. Maybe listing them per decade is the better course of action or per structure. The Cuban season has dchange in structure 2 or 3 times. This current structure has been in place for a while though.

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    The BR Bullpen has info on a few of these guys:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/bu...edro_Luis_Lazo
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/bu...Osmani_Urrutia

    are the most complete. The Omar Linares page is mostly about his time in Japan.

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    Someone mentioned 3B Pedro Jose Rodriguez. This guy was a HR machine.
    Maybe Romelio Martinez a LF for Habana Cowboys too.

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    "Author Peter Bjarkman was lost in Cuba after leaving a game and his companions were making one bad turn after another. Lazo showed up out of nowhere, still wearing his uniform from the contest, having been walking on foot. He got on his bicycle and escorted the lost author and his friends to the entrance of the highway. Bjarkman has repeatedly cited the incident as something you couldn't imagine happening in America - a star pitcher showing up on foot and then bicycle to help escort lost foreigners home."

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/bu...edro_Luis_Lazo



    If Cuban players could get the care and treatment that MLB and minor league players get, they would be better equiped when they defect to the USA for sure. It is funny, but no star should be riding no bicycles or walking like that after the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubano100% View Post
    Keep in mind that many of these players are from the latter years because we are not that all and do not remember the players from the 1960's and 1970's. Maybe listing them per decade is the better course of action or per structure. The Cuban season has dchange in structure 2 or 3 times. This current structure has been in place for a while though.
    My list comes from all eras and I've come up with an approach I can live with. As I say, it is certainly not perfect, but I've already decided on the approach and thus the list it generates. I'm just down to the nitty gritty of writing the piece. Also, since half the structure I've used is the top man in the league in a given year, the nature of the structure shouldn't matter much. Half is based on career data, and there structure and the use or non-use of aluminum bats is a concern. I don't have a means to adequately deal with that, and will leave it to future researchers. My idea is just to put some ideas out there that maybe somebody can make more of somewhere down the line.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubano100% View Post
    If Cuban players could get the care and treatment that MLB and minor league players get, they would be better equiped when they defect to the USA for sure. It is funny, but no star should be riding no bicycles or walking like that after the game.
    It's this kind of crap that really hurts a lot of people's perception of Cuban baseball. Japanese guys make millions and play in nice stadiums and have endorsement deals, so people think of them as "major league" without a second thought. But then Cubans are seen riding home on a bike, in full uniform, and it's no wonder a lot of people think of Cubans as just a bunch of rag-tag amateurs, even after they've dominated international baseball for two decades.

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