^ So what happens if the Rays do build a new park? Will they have to break the lease at the Trop and pay a fine?
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^ So what happens if the Rays do build a new park? Will they have to break the lease at the Trop and pay a fine?
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The story in the Mercury News (San Jose?) did not say they were going anywhere...they would be contracted.Originally Posted by Bitter Fan
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If the rays build a new stadium they would pay the fine/let the sale of the land where the trop is help with the costs.
Contraction or going anywhere would still cost money and you best believe that st. pete would sue the heck out mlb if they try to do that. If the team moves, they might wave the fees... if they move on good terms.
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That's still breaking the lease, and would wipe out a good portion of the "savings" MLB would get from having two less teams.
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Could it be Goodbye to Oakland A's and Tampa Bay Rays?
another plant by a wolff "beard" to force the situation.
nobody in the "biz" takes this seriously.
the minor leagues will be involved with this also.
what would be done about the farm franchises and those players?
it's a bigger situation than just getting a deal from the mlbpa.
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For once, I agree with you.
Despite rumors, contraction never came close to happening in 2002. I doubt it's any closer to happening now in 2011.
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Move the Marlins and the Rockies to the AL if the Athletics and Rays gets eliminated.
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I always wondered what they would do with 2 teams farm systems I mean that's rookie, low A, Mid A, High A, AA, AAA and majors. All of those players would have to get pink slips or someone in their place.
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That 2nd shot is amazing!
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Yes, some players will be release (pink slip) from their contract
thus becoming free agents and can sign minor league deal with any club
while others like top draft pick players with a big multi-year contract and bonuses
will be subjected to a draft with the team with the worst record picking first
and the WS winner picking last.the new team will most likely sign the player to a new contract.
that or something similar was the plan back when the twins and the expos were in danger of extinction
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all of this garbage about contraction is the typical "give us what we want or we'll leave or else" strong-arm mentality.
not much different that this...
but at least the lampoon was using the line to get attention in a ironically funny way...
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my point was dealing with the franchise owners and leagues, how are they compensated for the loss of their affiliations?
mlb franchises have not been expanding their minor league operations in north america except where towns
have paid thru the nose to keep spring training locations.
minor league performers who are not mlbpa members or large bonus investments will be on their own.
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Contraction ain't happening. Once the A's and Rays take care of their ballpark situations, I FULLY expect an AL expansion to even up the leagues. They just won't expand until they don't need open markets to threaten relocation.
There's no use being pessimistic, it won't work anyways
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.......where??
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Butte, Montana of course. isn't it obvious?
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Montreal and Vancouver...
Portland, Charlotte or Raleigh, San Antonio, maybe someday Vegas or Salt Lake City...
Any of which are 90 billion times more likely to happen than contraction
Heck, we'll see a team in Havana before contraction seriously happens
There's no use being pessimistic, it won't work anyways
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Mt. Davis is pretty intimidating when this place is full. Watch this one 'til the very end.
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none of these are mlb "ready" markets - not enough local tv, corporate $$$'s.
mlb will never go to canada again, vanc. was downgraded from aaa to a (short season) and it's the only affiliated minor franchise in the country.
not pessimistic, just realistic.
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I agree with you this time. A lot of times people see towns that have big crowds for other sports or towns with large populations, but that does not always translate into mlb ready. Plus as you said it's such a big bussiness that even a renovated 15 year old stadium like the trop doesn't have enough corporate suites and now the owners can't make the same profit as other owners.
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Good Grief.
I find it interesting that as MLB and MiLB retreat from places like Vancouver and Portland, the MLS (and others) thrives.
There is only so far that the economy, exchange rate, profitability of ballpark, etc. excuses work before you start wondering why other sports leagues have grown while baseball hasn't.
Nashville, Charolotte, New Orleans, Salt Lake City, Jacksonville, San Antonio are all home to major league franchises yet Major League Baseball would never dream of placing a team in one of these "small markets." Maybe it's time to stop chasing the Evil Empire and start looking at how to make the league work as a whole.
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If they put a team in Vegas, they'd pretty much have to have a permanent domed stadium. Otherwise the heat would kill half the audience every game. It'd be Colt Stadium writ large.
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I don't get it either, why does canada work for other sports??? Why do the portland timbers have moments like this and "large markets" have trouble getting a decent fan base:
Is portland that hungery for pro sports??? Whose to say they wont sell out baseball games because they are "small market" when Houston, our 4th largest city and growing in America seems to have a pretty steady drop in attendence every year since the new park lost its shine and the team starting losing more.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...U/attend.shtml
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The simple answer is corporate $$$
Adidas is a very powerful force behind the MLS, and they're based in Portland. They lobbied very heavily to get Portland an MLS franchise and are commited financially to making it a premier franchise in the league. Their head of US Soccer operations said:
“When we first heard the franchise was coming here, we talked about the fact that we want to own Portland. We absolutely want to make this city come alive. If anybody were to come to this city, they’d say it’s a soccer town”
Unfortunately, Portland is not hungry for pro sports per se. The Portland Winterhawks hockey team is not supported well at all, nor was minor league baseball.
Portlanders only care about 3 sports: Soccer, NBA basketball and college football.
Going to a Beavers game was depressing with so many empty seats and the local apathy for baseball in general.
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Good Grief.
Which is fair, but none of that explains why MLB and MiLB have been incapable of doing what the MLS, NBA, NHL, and NFL have done in regards to expanding.
There are corporate dollars in baseball and much more tv money than the MLS, yet the sport continues to lose attendance and the sport loses excitement.
Btw, Adidas did not teach Portland how to sing Elvis. There is more going on there than just money!
(The bigger picture is how the Oakland A's went from what they were in the mid-70's and late-80's to being tenants in a football stadium.)
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