tip and rip

[Go Cardinals]

I have heard alot about tip and rip, what is it? How does it work? What are its downsides? How is it done, or who teaches it?

[callyjr]

no one is really teaching it other than a few on these websites, Its basically a pre-load movement during the stride that most all the power hitter use. Even Hiddenjem now has some tip and rip and last year when he posted a couple pics he did not. Its a headstart to your swing. I can post some clips later unless someone else beats me to it.

Cally

I have heard alot about tip and rip, what is it? How does it work? What are its downsides? How is it done, or who teaches it?

[Deemax]

I miss hearing the term tip and rip on many levels. Running starts are a good thing.

[jbooth]

I have heard alot about tip and rip, what is it? How does it work? What are its downsides? How is it done, or who teaches it?

Barry Bonds is probably the best example of "tip and rip", it's just a moving (tipping) of the bathead just before you start to flatten it during your stride. It gets the bat moving before you actually decide to swing at the ball, which puts a little early momentum into the bathead, so it takes less effort to accelerate it when you decide to swing, and adds a little extra batspeed at contact.

However, you have to learn to get it timed perfectly with your other body movements, or it won't do you any good, and may make the swing worse. Also, if you can't control the bathead, it can make you miss the ball or not hit it square. It might change the path of where you want the bat to go.

[Go Cardinals]

Dmac taught it right? Like the very first day I came to this website, the thread of missing dmac was created, so I never saw any of his posts really.

I have heard alot about dmac, can anyone tell me anything they know about him? like his teachings....

This is all I know about tip and rip... (i'll find then post)



Jbooth, do you teach tip and rip?
Does anyone else teach tip and rip? or any similar form?

[Go Cardinals]

Here it is, I took a screenshot of it and saved it on my computer...

[jbooth]

Jbooth, do you teach tip and rip?
Does anyone else teach tip and rip? or any similar form?

I don't specifically "teach" it. I believe it is an advanced loading, or prep move. I think it is more style than fundamental. I DO believe that it creates more batspeed, but I believe it is not a method for everyone. If you can do it, fine, but I'm not teaching it.

Don't misunderstand. I DO believe some bathead movement as a running start, is a good thing, I just don't think you need to do it in as exaggerated a move as Bonds does, or the way some people teach it.

[Deemax]

Dmac taught it right? Like the very first day I came to this website, the thread of missing dmac was created, so I never saw any of his posts really.

I have heard alot about dmac, can anyone tell me anything they know about him? like his teachings....

This is all I know about tip and rip... (i'll find then post)



Jbooth, do you teach tip and rip?
Does anyone else teach tip and rip? or any similar form?

I can give you a pretty good idea on what dmac taught. "Tip and rip" was one of his favorites. He was real big on the running start, posture, balance, and actions (hands/load/style). He knew "it" when he saw it, and never stopped trying new ways to figure out how to teach "it". In teaching this is something I try to emulate. With any luck Ill be half as good...

[Go Cardinals]

I can give you a pretty good idea on what dmac taught. "Tip and rip" was one of his favorites. He was real big on the running start, posture, balance, and actions (hands/load/style). He knew "it" when he saw it, and never stopped trying new ways to figure out how to teach "it". In teaching this is something I try to emulate. With any luck Ill be half as good...

Can you give me some references or any written material? or what did he teach?
Did he have a website?

[Deemax]

He was a "hunt and peck" typer, so much of what he wrote is on this site and the HS**W. No books or papers, just a lot of video and career based reasearch.

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He was a "hunt and peck" typer, so much of what he wrote is on this site and the HS**W. No books or papers, just a lot of video and career based reasearch.

What is is site called, can you give me a link?

[Deemax]

The high school baseball web. His posting name was bbscout.

[Encinitas]

Dmac was also a pretty active poster and helper to several of us who implemented the tip and rip over at hittingillustrated. Additionally we got to see clips of him working with his son, as they started to experiment. (whom Deemax knows well).

Deemax, my recollection was that Dmac and Bret really got to working hard on tip and rip after the 2006 season. It was towards the end of 2006 baseball season when Dmac started posting all of his research on hitters who "get the barrel in the air" as he used to say. What I liked was his matter of fact way of saying "why aren't we teaching this to our kids". With Brett I see that his HRs were way up in 2007, and his OPS went up close to .200.

Here is a clip of his son who is playing I think High A ball right now.

[wogdoggy]

Here it is, I took a screenshot of it and saved it on my computer...

heres an e mail from doug from jan.



Doug Mcmillan <doug5@sbcglobal.net>
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To:wogdoggy@comcast.net
Subject:hitting clips
Date:Friday, January 12, 2007 7:43:10 PM
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Here are some guys who tip the bat. One thing I have noticed is that not all major leaguers tip the bat, but every one of them that does hits with power......every one of them. Something to think about.

Doug

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one thing to think about is how EVERBODY here is so generous with there time.even though we dont agree every individual here is willing to take the time to try to help..We all love the game,we all want to help.

[Deemax]

Dmac was also a pretty active poster and helper to several of us who implemented the tip and rip over at hittingillustrated. Additionally we got to see clips of him working with his son, as they started to experiment. (whom Deemax knows well).

Deemax, my recollection was that Dmac and Bret really got to working hard on tip and rip after the 2006 season. It was towards the end of 2006 baseball season when Dmac started posting all of his research on hitters who "get the barrel in the air" as he used to say. What I liked was his matter of fact way of saying "why aren't we teaching this to our kids". With Brett I see that his HRs were way up in 2007, and his OPS went up close to .200.

Here is a clip of his son who is playing I think High A ball right now.

Yeah, 2006 my brother made a push for power by implementing a running start and a tip. IMO his numbers would have been significantly higher had he not had so much on his plate after our fathers passing.
I think he is really going to have a breakout year this season. His swing looks great (I'll ask him if I can post it), and I believe he is on a mission. He is talented enough to play in the big leagues... hopefully fate agree's.

I teach the "tip n' rip", and will continue to do so. My strengths in teaching this game revolve around power (hitting and pitching), and the (tip, running start, load, hand action) is a big part of that.
-thats kind of were I stand.

[slugger33]

Is this what Canseco did?

[Drill]

Barry Bonds is probably the best example of "tip and rip", it's just a moving (tipping) of the bathead just before you start to flatten it during your stride. It gets the bat moving before you actually decide to swing at the ball, which puts a little early momentum into the bathead, so it takes less effort to accelerate it when you decide to swing, and adds a little extra batspeed at contact.

However, you have to learn to get it timed perfectly with your other body movements, or it won't do you any good, and may make the swing worse. Also, if you can't control the bathead, it can make you miss the ball or not hit it square. It might change the path of where you want the bat to go.

my son is getting some lessons and I asked him about tipping the bat. He said he does not like it. Thanks for your in depth explanation of it

so should he breath in or out when he swing and tip the bat at the same time or should i ask at what age and maturity level should you teach the tip n rip. good for some bad for others. who knows



thx,

drill

[XV84]

Is this what Canseco did?

Yes, Canseco did it. A number of MLB hitters past and present have done it.

[callyjr]

my son is getting some lessons and I asked him about tipping the bat. He said he does not like it. Thanks for your in depth explanation of it

so should he breath in or out when he swing and tip the bat at the same time or should i ask at what age and maturity level should you teach the tip n rip. good for some bad for others. who knows



thx,

drill

I showed my 7yr old in fall ball, he decided he liked it and starting working on it himself. He actually said to me I am going to start with my bat tipped already so he has this funky stance right now. I am coach and all the parents are just laughing at me, but as long as he at at the launch position at go I don't care how he starts. I have told him he looks funny, but he thinks he is getting a head start and he does pretty well so i guess just let him develop his swing his way.

Cally

[callyjr]

I have also been teaching it to most my students, I just finished a 13yr old and he left tipping it.

cally

[mbs]

Yeager teaches it (he calls it barrel loading) and explains how and why they do it on his DVDs...He discusses it as a way to create "lag" and enhance the whip effect.

[Go Cardinals]

Yeager teaches it (he calls it barrel loading) and explains how and why they do it on his DVDs...He discusses it as a way to create "lag" and enhance the whip effect.

I get the yeager dvd this friday for my b-day. I'm looking forward to watching it, because I've herd such great things about it.

[jofus13]

If Bonds "tips and rips", what the heck would you call what Sheffield does?

On a serious note, my DD went to a softball clinic at UVA last weekend, and one of the instructors (Oli Keahunenaka, for anyone that may know her) had them working on a drill where they pointed the bat at the pitcher, kinda like a samurai points a sword, and then as the soft toss came to take the barrel of the bat in an vertical arc in front of them (that is, going over their head in front of their face, if that makes sense) to the launch position to initiate their swing. Wouldn't that be a drill to encourage a "tip and rip" approach?

[Deemax]

If Bonds "tips and rips", what the heck would you call what Sheffield does?

tip, tip, tip and rip.

[FiveFrameSwing]

If Bonds "tips and rips", what the heck would you call what Sheffield does?

On a serious note, my DD went to a softball clinic at UVA last weekend, and one of the instructors (Oli Keahunenaka, for anyone that may know her) had them working on a drill where they pointed the bat at the pitcher, kinda like a samurai points a sword, and then as the soft toss came to take the barrel of the bat in an vertical arc in front of them (that is, going over their head in front of their face, if that makes sense) to the launch position to initiate their swing. Wouldn't that be a drill to encourage a "tip and rip" approach?

The drill you describe is commonly referred to as the "Live and Independent Hands" drill.