REAL average pitching velocities for HSchoolers

[TG Coach]

What's the average velocity of of a high school senior who will go on to play college ball?

It would have to be broken down to D1 major, D1 mid major, D2, D2 non funded program, D3 with recruiting and D3 with whomever shows up to play because they don't care if they win. There's also max speed and cruising speed.

If you're talking about D1 majors pitchers would start at 87 with 90+ being what they are really looking for. Lefties can be slower. You'll see D3 pitchers in nothing programs not hitting 80. Quality D3 programs will have pitchers hitting mid 80's. Some will physically mature after beginning at D3 and become hard throwing prospects.

"D3 with whomever shows up to play because they don't care if they win."

If you think these don't exist, I know of one who has kept the same coach for sixteen years despite his .400 winning percentage and sixteen consecutive losing seasons. He was hired away from the high school down the road a few exits. I'll bet head coach isn't a full time position at this college.

[Robbie_L]

If a lefty throws 85, has a good curve, change-up, and control, would he be able to make a good D1 school?

[Drill]

Remember this is a recruiting site that will match you with a college. I can't remember the percentage of student/players being place in colleges. Remember there is more to baseball and getting a scholarship than playing ball, if you got good grade this is very good selling point to getting recruited at the college level you are looking for.


Hope this help,

drill


In no way am I affiliated with this org. I happen to run into it on the net one day doing research.




Here is some info I pulled from

http://www.ncsasports.org/student%2Dathletes%2Dfamilies/baseball/recruiting%2Dguidelines/

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The typical Division I baseball player is 'polished' and seems to already have all the tools necessary to be successful as a freshman. As opposed to the Division II baseball player, the typical DI player needs far less development, if any. The position players possess at least 4 of the 5 measurable tools - hit for average, hit for power, arm strength, speed, and defensive abilities. The pitchers display a command of at least 3 pitches with high velocities. On average, they have the ability to throw many innings, and most often they are only used on the mound and rarely as position players. Most D1 players come from large high schools. Many of these programs are considered the best in their area or in the State. In addition, most DI players have been awarded accolades such as All-Area, All-County, or All-State.

The average characteristics by position are as follows:

Right Hand Pitchers:
-Height: 6'1"
-Weight: 180 Pounds
-Over 1 K per Inning Pitched
-ERA below 2.50
-Velocity: 88-90 MPH (Verified by neutral source)

Left Hand Pitchers:
-Height: 6'1"
-Weight: 180 Pounds
-1 K per Inning Pitched
-ERA below 2.50
-Velocity: 85-87 MPH (Verified by neutral source)

Centerfielders:
-Height: 5'11"
-Weight: 170 Pounds
-60 Yard: 6.6 (Verified)
-Velocity for OF: 86-87 MPH (Verified by neutral source)

Middle Infielders:
-Height: 5'11"
-Weight: 175 Pounds
-60 Yard: 6.8-6.9 (Verified by neutral source)
-Velocity from INF: 85+ MPH (Verified by neutral source)

Catchers:
-Height: 5'10"-6'0"
-Weight: 180 Pounds
-Pop Time: Sub 1.95 (Verified by neutral source)

Corner Infielders:
-Height: 6'2"
-Weight: 200 Pounds
-Power Numbers: 8+ HR, 30+RBI

Division II:

For some colleges, especially those in the Southern States and out on the West Coast, DII Baseball is an extension of DI. There are very few differences between the typical West Coast or Southern DII player and the average DI player. For the DII schools up North, the athletes may be a notch below the average DI and perhaps a little less polished. They may not throw as hard, play for the top high schools programs, or possess at least 4 of the 5 measurable tools. This is not always the case, as there are some very solid DII Baseball Programs up North. However, it is no secret that overall, the better baseball schools are those located in warmer climates.

The Minimum Requirements by position are as follows:

Right Handed Pitchers:
- Height: 6'0' (Preferably taller)
- Weight: 175 lbs
- Averaging about 1K per inning pitched
- ERA below 3.00
- Velocity: 85 MPH

Left Handed Pitchers:
- Height: 5'10' (Preferably taller)
- Weight: 165 lbs
- Averaging about 1K per inning pitched
- ERA at 3.00 or below
- Velocity: 83 MPH

Centerfielders:
- Height: 5'9'
- Weight: 150 lbs
- 60 Yrd Time: 6.8 or below

Middle Infielders:
- Height: 5'7'
- Weight: 150 lbs
- 60 Yrd Time: 7.1 or below
- 79-80 MPH from SS

Catchers:
- Height: 5'9'
- Weight: 175 lbs
- Pop Time: 2.0 or below

Much can be determined on film. It is very difficult to measure defensive abilities on paper. Fielding percentage cannot be used as an accurate statistic because it is difficult to calculate and it can be easily manipulated. Most Division II players have received several accolades, such as All Conference or All Area.


Division III:

Some DIII programs are stronger than others, but there seems to be more continuity with the physical characteristics of DIII players than there are for DII or NAIA. Certain DIII programs, such as Wisconsin Whitewater or George Fox, play at a superior level. However, for the most part, the range of physical characteristics was slim.

The Minimum Requirements by positions are as follow:

Right Handed Pitchers:
- Height: 5'8"
- Weight: 155 Pounds
- 1 or less than 1 K Per Inning Pitched
- ERA below 4.00
- Velocity: 81 MPH

Left Handed Pitchers:
- Height: 5'8"
- Weight: 155 Pounds
- 1 or less than 1 K Per Inning Pitched
- ERA below 4.00
- Velocity: 79 MPH

Centerfielders:
- Height 5'7"
- Weight: 140 Pounds
- 60 Yard Dash: 7.0 or below

Middle Infielders:
- Height: 5'7"
- Weight: 150 Pounds
- 40 Yard Dash: 4.9 or below

Catchers:
- Height: 5'8"
- Weight: 165 Pounds
- Pop Time: 2.1 or below


NAIA:

The discrepancies in characteristics are very severe when it comes to NAIA baseball. Some NAIA schools are playing at a DII level, while others are competing at a lower DIII level. NCSA found a mix of D2 criteria and D3 criteria make up the recruiting guidelines for this league.


Junior College Baseball:

Unlike the NAIA, Junior Colleges do have 3 divisions for the purpose of separating stronger JC programs from the weaker ones. While there may be somewhat of a drop off in talent between Division III Junior College and Division I and Division II Junior Colleges, there is little difference between DI and DII Junior Colleges. Many of the Junior College players lack the 'polish' to be considered DI players coming out of HS, but they already possess the necessary physical tools to be successful at the DI level. All they need to do is harness and polish those skills. The GPA's of most of the Junior College athletes are lower than those attending 4 year schools, suggesting that these athletes need to two years to mature academically as well.

Preferred Grades for All Divsions:
3.0 GPA +24 ACT + 1000 SAT (out of 1600)
(No scores needed for underclassmen)

In order to compile these Recruiting Guidelines, NCSA tracked hundreds of former NCSA student-athletes who have gone on to compete at the collegiate level, polled college coaches across the nation, and analyzed college rosters at all levels of competition.



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Baseball by the Numbers


Schools Offering Baseball
NCAA Division I
285

NCAA Division II
247

NCAA Division III
369

NAIA
205

NJCAA
394

Total
1,500

Athletic Scholarship Opportunities
Division I (per school)
11.7

Division II (per school)
9

NAIA (per school) 12

Student-Athlete Participation
NCAA Division I
10,011

NCAA Division II
8,100

NCAA Division III
10,656

HS Student-Athletes
478,842


Note: Division III schools offer merit, academic, and need-based scholarships.

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[Steven Tyler]

I've worked high school ball for a few years and the majority are all in the 72-78 MPH range. The better ones will get into the lower 80-83 MPH range and the exceptional will touch the high 80's to low 90's. Blake Beavan could hit 95 to 97 and he was a first round draft choice of the Texas Rangers in 2007.

[TG Coach]

A former teammate coaches at a competitive D3. The average sizes listed would be dwarfed by his team. They're not small kids. They just lack a skill or two to prevent them from being D1 players.

[Charger567]

What would you say is a good speed for a freshman?

I am throwing about 70 consistently and can touch maybe 73-74. It doesn't seem like enough, so I am working out every chance I get to hopefully get that up to be able to touch 80.

Would you guys recommend hard workouts to increase velocity? I am talking about a decent amount of weight. What I do is:

Dumbell Press
Dumbell One Armed Row
Bench Press
Front Squats
Planks
Seated Cable Rows
Chin Ups
Pushups

Chinups, pushups and planks done without weight.

The rest done with about 85% of my max and reps from 6-12. Does this seem like a good workout for a pitcher looking to pick up velocity?

[TG Coach]

What would you say is a good speed for a freshman?

It's really what's a good speed for a high school pitcher relative to his physical development. Kids develop at various ages. Some don't physically develop until college age. There are some slight people who can throw a ball through a wall. Then there are big people you would expect to throw hard, who can't. All a pitcher can do is find the limits of his potential.

Try Jeager's long toss program and ASMI's Thrower's Ten.

[Robbie_L]

Can a high SAT score make up for a low GPA?

My GPA is probably less than 3, but I think I'll be able to get at least 1400 on the SATs (for the two parts).

And do they actually look at your size? If someone 5'11" is slightly better than someone 6'2", wouldn't they go with the shorter guy?

[Charger567]

It's really what's a good speed for a high school pitcher relative to his physical development. Kids develop at various ages. Some don't physically develop until college age. There are some slight people who can throw a ball through a wall. Then there are big people you would expect to throw hard, who can't. All a pitcher can do is find the limits of his potential.

Try Jeager's long toss program and ASMI's Thrower's Ten.

Say.... I am going to grow 2-4 more inches. My build is 5'7" right now and I weight 145. Do you think I could make up for being shorter by buffing up? I can't name 10 active major league pitchers under 6 feet, which really discourages me, but I feel like I can make up for it in pure power. Who do you think is likely to throw harder?

5'10" 185 lb., athletic build
6'2" 165 lb., skinny

Both put through the same baseball experiences, could the shorter guy come out on top?

[TG Coach]

Can a high SAT score make up for a low GPA?

My GPA is probably less than 3, but I think I'll be able to get at least 1400 on the SATs (for the two parts).

With the time demands of college ball recruiters look for players with 3.0 or better. There's an assumption time demands will have a negative effect on GPA by .5 to 1.0. Coaches don't want their players under 2.0. Below 3.0 the player better be a stud.

Here's my daughter's softball schedule in the fall and preseason. This is a fairly normal schedule for a baseball player too.

6-7:30am M-F - swimming for upper body strength
1:30-4:30pm M-F and 9-noon Sat - practice
7-9pm M,W,F - weight and agility training

During the season she misses school on Friday every other week (travel for away games). They often arrive back at campus in the middle of the night Sunday night but are required to be in their Monday morning classes. Attendance is reported for the athletes as required by the academic compliance officer. Classes have to be taken from 8am to 12:30pm as to not interfere with softball related activities.

There are conference games Fri-Sun and non-cons on Tuesday and sometimes Thursday (if home that weekend). Oh yeah, there's fifteen hours of class and homework in there too! And sleep too. Social life? That's what teammates are for and other athletes in the jock dorms.

Want a real treat? Try a six to eight hour bus ride as a freshman where you share a seat rather than have your own and stretch out. Then catch a few hours sleep and go to class Monday morning.

One of my neighbors is the leading NCAA scorer in the country in her sport. She's a freshman. She shares a seat, then carries equipment from the bus to the hotel. No exceptions for stardom. She's a freshman.

My daughter works so hard out of fear of failure her college GPA is higher than high school.

[TG Coach]

Who do you think is likely to throw harder?
5'10" 185 lb., athletic build
6'2" 165 lb., skinny

Who can say? Some people were born to throw hard. Others aren't. On paper the bigger pitcher has better potential to be developed to throw harder. Scouts look at upside potential.

[utility91]

say I should be about 6'2" and 215 lbs. would my size be more usefull than if I was 6'2" and 185 and speedier?

[TG Coach]

say I should be about 6'2" and 215 lbs. would my size be more usefull than if I was 6'2" and 185 and speedier?

How this for an ambigious response? You need a build that optimizes your skills. Weighing 215 might not slow you down. You might develop tremendous leg strength.