All-Time Draft Rematch

[Wade8813]

BTW, the list on the first page of people picking that he sent me was slightly inaccurate, so that's why this has stalled.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Yeah, let's just continue. Yanks is up.

Actually Minstrel has taken Yanks' place, can someone send him a PM?

[Wade8813]

This thread has become too cluttered with discussion, so a second thread has been created.

[brett]

This thread has become too cluttered with discussion, so a second thread has been created.

When you start a new thread will you post a link?

[The Splendid Splinter]

When you start a new thread will you post a link?

CLD created... the title is All Time Draft Round Two DRAFT PAGE....

[Wade8813]

http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=72479

[ElHalo]

As to discussing the actual draft...

I think the pickup of Ty Cobb at number 10 was absolutely fantastic. Tremendous player to get that late in the draft; I could see somebody picking him first overall.

I'm very happy with Pedro Martinez at 9. I know people will knock the pick because he only started 18 games one year, but he did put up the greatest stretch of dominance in baseball history the rest of the time. I probably would have taken him over Johnson. His stretch includes three of the top twenty ERA+ seasons of all time, three of the top 13 K rate seasons of all time, the best WHIP season ever (including the deadball era), and a .750 W%. It also, for the "five inning pitcher" crowd, contains a CG title and two other top 4 finishes, and he never finished lower than 8th in IP except for the injury year. Even in the injury year, he had a 189 ERA+ and an 0.934 WHIP (incidentally, the second highest whip of the stretch). Very pleased.

[Erik Bedard]

I was debating between Pedro and Maddux, and ended up going with Maddux for durability and workhorseness reasons.

[ElHalo]

I was debating between Pedro and Maddux, and ended up going with Maddux for durability and workhorseness reasons.

Certainly a legitimate choice; not quite as dominant as Pedro, but certainly more innings.

[Wee Willie]

I'm very happy with Pedro Martinez at 9. I know people will knock the pick because he only started 18 games one year, but he did put up the greatest stretch of dominance in baseball history the rest of the time. I probably would have taken him over Johnson. His stretch includes three of the top twenty ERA+ seasons of all time, three of the top 13 K rate seasons of all time, the best WHIP season ever (including the deadball era), and a .750 W%. It also, for the "five inning pitcher" crowd, contains a CG title and two other top 4 finishes, and he never finished lower than 8th in IP except for the injury year. Even in the injury year, he had a 189 ERA+ and an 0.934 WHIP (incidentally, the second highest whip of the stretch). Very pleased.

While Pedro had a great peak, I think picking him over Johnson would've been a mistake had you done that. Sure, Pedro's rate stats are a little better (219 ERA+ in his 5-year stretch to Johnson's 206), but Johnson threw 349 innings from 1911-15 to Pedro's 204 from 1997-2001. Even if you adjust the innings to a neutral era, Johnsons still comes out with a much higher workload, which makes his stretch seem more dominant to me than Pedro's. However, Pedro would certainly be a very good ace for any of our teams.

[brett]

Certainly a legitimate choice; not quite as dominant as Pedro, but certainly more innings.

And I think innings are less important on a team full of good pitchers. As I mentioned before, if one guy, say Pedro has a rate value of say 100 for 200 innings, and a guy like Johnson is a 95 for 350 innings, your next starter after Pedro only needs to be like an 88 for the balance of the innings for you to end up ahead. Rate of production per inning or game is important on a great team because a guy with a ton of innings is only going to take those innings from another good pitcher, not an average one.

Still, I think that after Johnson, the next 8-12 pitchers are pretty close together in value.

I'll add though that if there is one pitcher who gives the impression that he could shut down a team of great hitters, it is Pedro.

[The Splendid Splinter]

And I think innings are less important on a team full of good pitchers. As I mentioned before, if one guy, say Pedro has a rate value of say 100 for 200 innings, and a guy like Johnson is a 95 for 350 innings, your next starter after Pedro only needs to be like an 88 for the balance of the innings for you to end up ahead. Rate of production per inning or game is important on a great team because a guy with a ton of innings is only going to take those innings from another good pitcher, not an average one.

Still, I think that after Johnson, the next 8-12 pitchers are pretty close together in value.

I'll add though that if there is one pitcher who gives the impression that he could shut down a team of great hitters, it is Pedro.

yeah and esp. since you'll have a great bullpen on top of that so your pitcher don't need to go all the way. so in that sense, a lot of the top pitchers will be even better since they can go like 7 innings and not worry going any farther than that. plus the pitchers will all face great hitters so their production wont be as great as it their peaks we picked, but still be very good(so they will bring it down and it evens out maybe).

[Minstrel]

Sorry, I didn't realize I had yanks' spot.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Sorry, I didn't realize I had yanks' spot.

I'll select:

Mickey Mantle

theres a new thread for the picks now...

look at the posts above yours and you'll see the link to it. post # 82. dont forget which 5 years peak you're using.

[Minstrel]

Got it, sorry for missing that.

Out of curiosity, what is the time limit on picks?