BTW, the list on the first page of people picking that he sent me was slightly inaccurate, so that's why this has stalled.
All-Time Draft Rematch
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Originally posted by Wee Willie View PostYeah, let's just continue. Yanks is up."he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor
"I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis
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This thread has become too cluttered with discussion, so a second thread has been created.
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Originally posted by brett View PostWhen you start a new thread will you post a link?"Back before I injured my hip, I thought going to the gym was for wimps."
Bo Jackson
Actually, I think they were about the same because I lettered in all sports, and I was a two-time state decathlon champion.
Bo Jackson
My sophomore year I placed 2nd, and my junior and senior year - I got smart and piled up enough points between myself and second place where I didn't have to run the mile.
Bo Jackson
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As to discussing the actual draft...
I think the pickup of Ty Cobb at number 10 was absolutely fantastic. Tremendous player to get that late in the draft; I could see somebody picking him first overall.
I'm very happy with Pedro Martinez at 9. I know people will knock the pick because he only started 18 games one year, but he did put up the greatest stretch of dominance in baseball history the rest of the time. I probably would have taken him over Johnson. His stretch includes three of the top twenty ERA+ seasons of all time, three of the top 13 K rate seasons of all time, the best WHIP season ever (including the deadball era), and a .750 W%. It also, for the "five inning pitcher" crowd, contains a CG title and two other top 4 finishes, and he never finished lower than 8th in IP except for the injury year. Even in the injury year, he had a 189 ERA+ and an 0.934 WHIP (incidentally, the second highest whip of the stretch). Very pleased.Last edited by ElHalo; 01-10-2008, 06:47 PM."Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."
Sean McAdam, ESPN.com
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Originally posted by Erik Bedard View PostI was debating between Pedro and Maddux, and ended up going with Maddux for durability and workhorseness reasons."Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."
Sean McAdam, ESPN.com
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Originally posted by ElHalo View PostI'm very happy with Pedro Martinez at 9. I know people will knock the pick because he only started 18 games one year, but he did put up the greatest stretch of dominance in baseball history the rest of the time. I probably would have taken him over Johnson. His stretch includes three of the top twenty ERA+ seasons of all time, three of the top 13 K rate seasons of all time, the best WHIP season ever (including the deadball era), and a .750 W%. It also, for the "five inning pitcher" crowd, contains a CG title and two other top 4 finishes, and he never finished lower than 8th in IP except for the injury year. Even in the injury year, he had a 189 ERA+ and an 0.934 WHIP (incidentally, the second highest whip of the stretch). Very pleased.
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Originally posted by ElHalo View PostCertainly a legitimate choice; not quite as dominant as Pedro, but certainly more innings.
And I think innings are less important on a team full of good pitchers. As I mentioned before, if one guy, say Pedro has a rate value of say 100 for 200 innings, and a guy like Johnson is a 95 for 350 innings, your next starter after Pedro only needs to be like an 88 for the balance of the innings for you to end up ahead. Rate of production per inning or game is important on a great team because a guy with a ton of innings is only going to take those innings from another good pitcher, not an average one.
Still, I think that after Johnson, the next 8-12 pitchers are pretty close together in value.
I'll add though that if there is one pitcher who gives the impression that he could shut down a team of great hitters, it is Pedro.Last edited by brett; 01-10-2008, 07:37 PM.
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Originally posted by brett View PostAnd I think innings are less important on a team full of good pitchers. As I mentioned before, if one guy, say Pedro has a rate value of say 100 for 200 innings, and a guy like Johnson is a 95 for 350 innings, your next starter after Pedro only needs to be like an 88 for the balance of the innings for you to end up ahead. Rate of production per inning or game is important on a great team because a guy with a ton of innings is only going to take those innings from another good pitcher, not an average one.
Still, I think that after Johnson, the next 8-12 pitchers are pretty close together in value.
I'll add though that if there is one pitcher who gives the impression that he could shut down a team of great hitters, it is Pedro."Back before I injured my hip, I thought going to the gym was for wimps."
Bo Jackson
Actually, I think they were about the same because I lettered in all sports, and I was a two-time state decathlon champion.
Bo Jackson
My sophomore year I placed 2nd, and my junior and senior year - I got smart and piled up enough points between myself and second place where I didn't have to run the mile.
Bo Jackson
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Sorry, I didn't realize I had yanks' spot.Last edited by Minstrel; 01-10-2008, 07:54 PM."In the end it all comes down to talent. You can talk all you want about intangibles, I just don't know what that means. Talent makes winners, not intangibles. Can nice guys win? Sure, nice guys can win - if they're nice guys with a lot of talent. Nice guys with a little talent finish fourth and nice guys with no talent finish last." --Sandy Koufax
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Originally posted by Minstrel View PostSorry, I didn't realize I had yanks' spot.
I'll select:
Mickey Mantle
look at the posts above yours and you'll see the link to it. post # 82. dont forget which 5 years peak you're using.Last edited by The Splendid Splinter; 01-10-2008, 07:56 PM."Back before I injured my hip, I thought going to the gym was for wimps."
Bo Jackson
Actually, I think they were about the same because I lettered in all sports, and I was a two-time state decathlon champion.
Bo Jackson
My sophomore year I placed 2nd, and my junior and senior year - I got smart and piled up enough points between myself and second place where I didn't have to run the mile.
Bo Jackson
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Got it, sorry for missing that.
Out of curiosity, what is the time limit on picks?"In the end it all comes down to talent. You can talk all you want about intangibles, I just don't know what that means. Talent makes winners, not intangibles. Can nice guys win? Sure, nice guys can win - if they're nice guys with a lot of talent. Nice guys with a little talent finish fourth and nice guys with no talent finish last." --Sandy Koufax
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