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    In a matchup between the Red Sox and Blue Jays on August 17, 2004, each team had a starting infielder named Orlando (Cabrera, Red Sox, SS; Hudson, Blue Jays, 2B) and a starting outfielder named Gabe (Kapler, Red Sox, RF; Gross, Blue Jays, LF).

    Both Orlandos batted second; both Gabes batted 8th.

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    Incidentally, both Gabes are playing for yet another AL East team - Tampa Bay - this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    Rafale Palmeiro won the 1999 AL Gold GLove playing 28 of the 162 games at first base (17%)
    He also won the Outstanding Designated Hitter award in the same season (now known as the Edgar Martinez award).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Martinez_Award

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    just read this in one of my books....

    In 1987 the Cardinals scored 4 or more runs in 16 consecutive games. This had not been accomplished since 1950.

    1950 had rule changes that redefined the strike zone, making offense somewhat easier

    Apparently due to the home run infusion of 1961, in 1963 the strike zone was changed back to its original definition

    After 1968, the strike zone was redefined to an even smaller area than the 1950 rule changes.

    In 1969, we also know the mound was lowered but I was not aware that 5 teams moved their fences in, according to the same book Philadelphia moved its CF fence in from 447 to 410 feet

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    Between 1962 and 1971, no AL player managed to make one hit for every three trips to the plate (.333).

    It actually goes back to 1959 if you don't count Norm Cash's 1961 season when he admittedly used a corked bat.

    Also, other than Tony Oliva (.337 in 1971) and Rod Carew three times (1973-1975), no one else would do it until George Brett in 1976.

    In the NL from 1961-1976, only twice did the league fail to produce a .333 hitter. This discrepancy may explain why the NL won every single all-star game in the 60s and 70s except for one in 62 and one in 71.

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    This discrepancy may explain why the NL won every single all-star game in the 60s and 70s except for one in 62 and one in 71.

    most baseball researchers think that the NL was a much more balanced league, with much faster integration throughout the leagues teams. The faster integration most believe made it an overall superior league (yes I know the Yankees World Series record). In the NL many team could be pennant contenders every year and a key injury could knock a team out of contention. In the AL it was basically the Yankees, then the Tigers (mainly hitting), The Indians and White Sox (mainly pitching), while the Red Sox, Senators, Browns.Orioles and A's were second division weaklings. 1950 is a great example. You had 4 excellent teams at .597 or better and 4 horrible teams at .435 or worse, 3 of them, under .399.

    the AL's first African American MVP was Elston Howard in 1963, who won it more by default than anything else. The NL had AA MVPs in the 50s like Banks, Mays, Campanella, Aaron. The Red Sox did not even integrate until 1959.
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    willie mays is the only hall of famer to reach 20 in doubles, triples, home runs and stolen bases in the same season.
    1957: 26 doubles, 20 triples, 35 home runs and 38 swipes
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    of the 27 members of the 3,000-hit club, only rod carew, rafael palmeiro (and nap lajoie, if you're counting who played pre-1900) did not play in a fall classic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    just read this in one of my books....

    In 1987 the Cardinals scored 4 or more runs in 16 consecutive games. This had not been accomplished since 1950.
    That must be just the NL. The 1978 Red Sox started their season with a 18 game streak of 4+ runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipitch View Post
    That must be just the NL. The 1978 Red Sox started their season with a 18 game streak of 4+ runs.
    I got that from Men At Work - cant find the exact page but it had to do with consistency

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    There have been 26 Cy Young Award Winners who had losing seasons the following year (listed below):

    Other random notes:
    The most losses by a Cy Young Winner the following year was 1973 Steve Carton with 20
    The fewest wins by a Cy Young Winner the following year was 2006 Bartolo Colon with 1
    The biggest reduction in wins following a Cy Young Year was 21, by 1970 Denny McLain
    For 7 consecutive years 1979-1985 at least one Cy Young Winner followed with a losing season
    The only pitcher to go undefeated following a Cy Young Year was Randy Johnson who went 5-0 in 1996
    After winning 4 straight Cy Youngs from 1999 to 2002 Randy Johnson went 6-8 in 2003
    After going 25-7 in 1980 and winning the Cy Young, Steve Stone won a total of 4 more major league games
    Both 1967 Cy Young Winners had losing seasons the following year
    Both 1989 Cy Young Award Winner shad losing seasons the following year
    Bret Saberhagen won 2 Cy Young Awards and had losing seasons the next year both times
    Randy Jones, after winning the Cy Young award in 1976 never had a winning season again

    The List
    1956 Don Newcombe (first winner) 27-7 to 11-12
    1958 Bob Turley 21-7 to 8-11
    1960 Vern Law 20-9 to 3-4
    1967 Mike McCormick 22-10 to 12-14
    1967 Jim Lonborg 22-9 to 6-10
    1969 Denny McLain 24-9 to 3-5
    1971 Vida Blue 24-8 to 6-10
    1972 Steve Carlton 27-10 to 13-20
    1973 Jim Palmer 22-9 to 7-12
    1974 Mike Marshall 15-12 to 9-14
    1976 Randy Jones 22-14 to 6-12
    1979 Bruce Sutter 6-6 to 5-8
    1980 Steve Stone 25-7 to 4-7
    1981 Rollie Fingers 6-3 to 5-6
    1982 Steve Carlton 23-11 to 15-16
    1983 Lamarr Hoyt 24-10 to 13-18
    1984 Willie Hernandez 9-3 to 8-10
    1985 Bret Saberhagen 20-6 to 7-12
    1988 Frank Viola 24-8 to 13-17
    1989 Mark Davis 4-3 to 2-7
    1989 Bret Saberhagen 22-6 to 5-9
    1990 Bob Welch 27-6 to 12-13
    1992 Dennis Eckersley 7-1 to 2-4
    1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 Randy Johnson (17-9, 19-7, 21-6, 24-5) to 6-8
    2005 Bartolo Colon 21-8 to 1-5
    2007 Jake Peavy 19-6 to 10-11
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    In 1976, Randy Jones was 18-4 at the end of July. He went 4-10 the rest of the way and still managed the Cy Young, BUT from August 1976 until the end of his career in 1982, a total of 35 months, he only had a winning record in 9 of them. What happened to him in 1976?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    The last switch-hitter to win the AL MVP was.......Vida Blue!
    I've won a lot of beers using that one!
    He's guilty of excessive window shopping.

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    ted williams once held out in the beginning of a season because he wanted to make less money. he cited a pending divorce as his reason.
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    during his rookie season of 1922 hub "schucks” pruett struck out babe ruth an incredible 13 times in 16 at bats.
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    Yesterday, Jonathan Papelbon became the first pitcher in 20 years to earn a save by striking out 3 straight batters to end a game with the tying run at 3rd base.

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    Mel Ott lead his team in a category (homeruns) the most consecutive seasons with 18. Next on the list is Warren Spahn. He lead the Braves in wins 15 consecutive seasons.

    As for league-leading consecutive homers, Ralph Kiner holds the record for the most titles with 7. 1946-1952. Thee were his first seven seasons.
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    mel ott was the only player/manager to ever lead his league in homers:
    30 with the 1942 new york giants.
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    ipitch: Yesterday, Jonathan Papelbon became the first pitcher in 20 years to earn a save by striking out 3 straight batters to end a game with the tying run at 3rd base.

    never would'a guessed that.
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    There have been 16 primarily 20th century players whose standard name had three letters in the first name and 6 letters in the last name (4 primarily 19th century players) who made the Hall Of Fame.

    Of those 16, 7 were pitchers, 1 was a catcher, 8 were infielders, but zero were outfielders

    the roster:

    Jim Hunter
    Bob Feller
    Bob Gibson
    Tom Seaver
    Jim Palmer
    Don Sutton
    Vic Willis
    Ray Schalk
    Lou Gehrig
    Nap Lajoie
    Joe Gordon
    Joe Tinker
    Joe Sewell
    Joe Morgan
    Cal Ripken
    Joe Cronin

    in addition: the following players receive an honorable mention for winning ROY or MVP or CY:
    Don Baylor
    Bob Horner
    Ron Guidry
    Bob Turley
    Pat Zachry
    Ron Hansen
    Ron Kittle
    Tim Salmon
    Ben Grieve

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    since 1948, the AL yearly leader in hit batsmen for a season (in non-strike years) by a pitcher has been under 10 hit batters only twice (1966, 1980)

    in the same period of time, the NL leader in hit batters (in non-strike years) has been under 10 hit batters 10 times (1951, 1952, 1954, 1976, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1990)

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    don baylor was the first player to be caught stealing twice in the same inning... and the second cs was an attempt of home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    There have been 16 primarily 20th century players whose standard name had three letters in the first name and 6 letters in the last name (4 primarily 19th century players) who made the Hall Of Fame.

    Of those 16, 7 were pitchers, 1 was a catcher, 8 were infielders, but zero were outfielders

    the roster:

    Jim Hunter
    Bob Feller
    Bob Gibson
    Tom Seaver
    Jim Palmer
    Don Sutton
    Vic Willis
    Ray Schalk
    Lou Gehrig
    Nap Lajoie
    Joe Gordon
    Joe Tinker
    Joe Sewell
    Joe Morgan
    Cal Ripken
    Joe Cronin

    in addition: the following players receive an honorable mention for winning ROY or MVP or CY:
    Don Baylor
    Bob Horner
    Ron Guidry
    Bob Turley
    Pat Zachry
    Ron Hansen
    Ron Kittle
    Tim Salmon
    Ben Grieve
    Now THAT is trivia(l?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivia Guy View Post
    The National League is undefeated in extra-inning All-Star games. They are 9-0-1.
    NOT any more!

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    in 1966 phil regan started out 1-4 with the tigers, then went 14-1 with a 1.62 for the remaining season after being traded to the hated dodgers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by west coast orange and black View Post
    in 1966 phil regan started out 1-4 with the tigers, then went 14-1 with a 1.62 for the remaining season after being traded to the hated dodgers.
    Paging RoyHobbs
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