Bedard to Seattle a done deal?

**JohnnyK27** · 01-27-2008, 04:31 PM

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/

They are saying its done!

Points of interest they haven't leaked the other guys & Sherrill hasn't been notified.

Maybe the deal is Jones & 3 or 4 others guys we have been hearing!

Jones,Clement, Tillman, Butler & Chen

**JohnnyK27** · 01-27-2008, 04:59 PM

Hangout Insiders are reporting 4 for 1 and that the Seattle faithful are going to be disappointed.

Belkfast a insider is saying its done

Still no news on the other 3 !

Maybe Jones, Clement/Triunfel, Tillman, & Chen/Tua/Butler

**Imgran** · 01-27-2008, 05:02 PM

Be shocked if Wladdy isn't heading to Baltimore. One of their biggest needs is for a power-hitting OF/DH.

**JohnnyK27** · 01-27-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Imgran

Be shocked if Wladdy isn't heading to Baltimore. One of their biggest needs is for a power-hitting OF/DH.

Sorry Imgran but I doubt you're right.

O's now have Jones CF (15-20 Hr's) , Markakis (20-30 Hr's), & Scott (25-30 HR's)

I think we are covered in the outfield unless the Orioles deal Scott. Too many other holes!

Also the Cubs insider I have PM said the Roberts deal was/is on hold until the EB deal happens. He said the deal is Roberts for Murton, Gallagher, & Cedeno

Murton (age 25) would replace Scott if he can be traded for another piece as he is 30.

Also dont forget Payton & Gibbons

**Imgran** · 01-27-2008, 05:36 PM

Forgot about Scott, yeah. That's actually a pretty good outfield as is as long as all of them hit.

You know, this is looking like it might actually be a decent team next year, especially if they DON'T deal Roberts.

Seriously, get a decent first baseman and a couple RP's who're worth their contracts and you could at least hold serve until the young pitching breaks through.

**JohnnyK27** · 01-27-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Imgran

Forgot about Scott, yeah. That's actually a pretty good outfield as is as long as all of them hit.

You know, this is looking like it might actually be a decent team next year, especially if they DON'T deal Roberts.

Seriously, get a decent first baseman and a couple RP's who're worth their contracts and you could at least hold serve until the young pitching breaks through.

There's not a lot out there in RP's .... the Orioles could lose 100 games.

Roberts Will be dealt & AM is looking for us to compete in 2010.

Tex will be heavily sought out at PA's request!

I think Chen might be in the deal for Bedard & I think he will nicely replace Roberts at 2B & Lead off. He actually has comparable minor league numbers to what Roberts had through AA.

**Imgran** · 01-27-2008, 05:56 PM

You mean Yung Chen? Eep. You'd be better off making a deal with the Padres for their Rule-V guy, Calix Crabbe. At least he's a year closer to the majors than Chen.

Haven't you guys learned about asking players to jump from AA to MLB with little intervening time yet? I mean, come on, I know it's the Orioles but...

**JohnnyK27** · 01-27-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Imgran

You mean Yung Chen? Eep. You'd be better off making a deal with the Padres for their Rule-V guy, Calix Crabbe. At least he's a year closer to the majors than Chen.

Haven't you guys learned about asking players to jump from AA to MLB with little intervening time yet? I mean, come on, I know it's the Orioles but...

Yes Yung Chen ... He missed 2007 with a shoulder injury ...But played well in 15 games at AAA & pretty well in the AFL.

The Orioles are rumored to have a trade lined up with the Cubs for Murton,Gallagher, & Cedeno ... IMO they could start the year with Cedeno at 2B
& keep Hernandez at SS ... If they get Murton maybe they can trade Scott to San Diego or a reliever to Atlanta or something like that!

Here's another link to the deal

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22871543/

**JohnnyK27** · 01-27-2008, 06:15 PM

The Baltimore Orioles are close to a deal that would send ace pitcher Erik Bedard to the Seattle Mariners, according to a report Sunday on the Seattle Times' web site.

The report said that promising young Seattle outfielder Adam Jones, who was slated to take over the starting job in right field for the upcoming season, had left his Venezuelan Winter League team and was flying to Baltimore to take a physical.

According to the report, Jones told a paper in Venezuela, that Mariners general manager Bill Bavasi "called me yesterday and told me the news. I've got to go to Baltimore tomorrow morning and handle things there. I'm the centerpiece of the deal on the Mariners side. It's an honor to get traded for such a highly talented pitcher as Bedard is. He's one of the best. Last year he finished up as arguably one of the top candidates for the Cy Young. He's that good, so for me it's an honor. You know, I like Seattle, but if I am in Baltimore, as I think now I am, I'm going to embrace it and have the best time of my life in Major League Baseball."

The report did not say who else would be included in the trade, but Mariners reliever George Sherrill, who has previously been mentioned as possibly heading to Baltimore in a Bedard deal, told the Times that he had not been informed of any trade.

"I hope if I am part of it that somebody tells me before Wednesday because that's when we're supposed to head down to Phoenix,'' Sherrill told the Times. "I spoke to John (McLaren) recently and I let him know that I want to be a Mariner for life. It's the team that plucked me out of the independent league and so I'll always have a spot in my heart for it and want to stay with the organization. But I know that rarely happens anymore."

Bedard was 13-5 with a 3.16 ERA last season. The left-hander is not yet eligible for free agency, but the Orioles are looking to stockpile young talent. Jones has played 73 games for the Mariners over the last two seasons. A former shortstop converted to the outfield, Jones has hit .230 with three home runs and 12 RBIs in the majors.

I think all the O's fans will be excited in the take!

**Erik Bedard** · 01-27-2008, 06:17 PM

All I can say has already been said. (the second part I copied and pasted)

Originally Posted by boogidownoriole

Some know Bedard has been my favorite since he first came up. I have been raving about this guy to everyone in NY since that day. They all thought I was just talking smack again. This time it was for real

No matter what happens here I just cant get excited about losing a guy like this....perhaps one of our best of all time....simply because we suck and will suck for quite some time.

He was supposed to be part of it. Now he is gone and will be part of something better. Sad day for me.

I can't say it any better myself. If Morrow doesn't come back in this deal (thus giving me a new favorite player), I will be very upset.

Y'know, I was having fun discussing potential destinations for Bedard and Roberts, but now that it's actually time for them to go, it's not half as fun drooling over Adam Jones in orange as it was when I always thought in the back of my head that he would never be traded.

**Imgran** · 01-27-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyK27

Yes Yung Chen ... He missed 2007 with a shoulder injury ...But played well in 15 games at AAA & pretty well in the AFL.

The Orioles are rumored to have a trade lined up with the Cubs for Murton,Gallagher, & Cedeno ... IMO they could start the year with Cedeno at 2B
& keep Hernandez at SS ... If they get Murton maybe they can trade Scott to San Diego or a reliever to Atlanta or something like that!

Here's another link to the deal

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22871543/

You guys have got to know that Luis Hernandez is not a long-term option at short.... right?

There is no way Hernandez hits .290 next year. None.

As for Cedeno... eh. he's got great minor league numbers but nothing at the major league level and he had a full season's playing time to try. That's got to be a huge red flag. If I had to guess who'd be the better player in 3 years I'd say Roberts by a lot.

**Erik Bedard** · 01-27-2008, 06:36 PM

There's no way Hernandez has a .600 OPS next year. But his glove is incredible.

**JohnnyK27** · 01-27-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Imgran

You guys have got to know that Luis Hernandez is not a long-term option at short.... right?

There is no way Hernandez hits .290 next year. None.

As for Cedeno... eh. he's got great minor league numbers but nothing at the major league level and he had a full season's playing time to try. That's got to be a huge red flag. If I had to guess who'd be the better player in 3 years I'd say Roberts by a lot.

No ... I agree ... I dont like Hernandez there but all the pieces dont have to happen before this season. If they can make another move for Brignac or Lillibridge I think they will! Maybe move Scott & pitcher... if the get Murton from the Cubs for Roberts

**JohnnyK27** · 01-27-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Erik Bedard

All I can say has already been said. (the second part I copied and pasted)

I can't say it any better myself. If Morrow doesn't come back in this deal (thus giving me a new favorite player), I will be very upset.

Y'know, I was having fun discussing potential destinations for Bedard and Roberts, but now that it's actually time for them to go, it's not half as fun drooling over Adam Jones in orange as it was when I always thought in the back of my head that he would never be traded.

Sorry EB I feel for you .. But if Butler , Gallagher & Tillman are in the deals for Roberts & Bedard. I think you'll feel better about it later!

**J W** · 01-28-2008, 08:52 AM

I for one am excited. The idea being, we're getting MULTIPLE people who are going to contribute. Unless of course everyone in the deal is in A or AA. But several of the players discussed are ready now. I would be happiest if Clement comes with Jones.

Four for Bedard; five for Tejada. That's nine players in exchange for two. Now of course, only so many of them will pan out... but let's say five of them will be long-term 25-man material. Then with the money that would have gone to Bedard/Tejada, the team signs two other viable players in FA. Then, instead of two players, we would have seven. Maybe none of them would be as good as Bedard or Tejada in his prime... but we would more importantly have depth.

Add the Roberts deal to this, and you'll have TWELVE players in exchange for three. Almost all of them 25 or under. And the biggest key is, none of these guys would be Orioles in a few years anyways.

I'll be a happy man when the deals are actually announced.

**JohnnyK27** · 01-28-2008, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by J W

I for one am excited. The idea being, we're getting MULTIPLE people who are going to contribute. Unless of course everyone in the deal is in A or AA. But several of the players discussed are ready now. I would be happiest if Clement comes with Jones.

Four for Bedard; five for Tejada. That's nine players in exchange for two. Now of course, only so many of them will pan out... but let's say five of them will be long-term 25-man material. Then with the money that would have gone to Bedard/Tejada, the team signs two other viable players in FA. Then, instead of two players, we would have seven. Maybe none of them would be as good as Bedard or Tejada in his prime... but we would more importantly have depth.

Add the Roberts deal to this, and you'll have TWELVE players in exchange for three. Almost all of them 25 or under. And the biggest key is, none of these guys would be Orioles in a few years anyways.

I'll be a happy man when the deals are actually announced.

Ditto ...

I keep looking for someone to confess on the O's end.

**ChrisLDuncan** · 01-28-2008, 09:06 AM

You really did get an amazing deal if what I am hearing reported is correct. Adam Jones, Jeff Clement, and if they sent Wladimir Balentin too that's one hell of a deal. As of three weeks ago the Os had zero chance within the forceable decade. However, when you add Jones/Balentin to the outfield, and put Clement at catcher the team might make some noise in the AL East during the next few years.

**JohnnyK27** · 01-28-2008, 09:12 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3218093

Two to take physicals for a trade!

**J W** · 01-28-2008, 09:16 AM

OK, so there's our CFer in Jones, and I guess closer for next season in Sherrill.

Originally Posted by from MLBTradeRumors.com

UPDATE, 1-27-08 at 10:55pm: Jason Churchill, referencing three sources, believes this to be 99% done. He is hearing Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, George Sherrill, Tony Butler, and Kameron Mickolio to the O's. He's not sure whether Bedard extension talks are a factor but you have to think that might be holding it up. He's also unsure on whether the O's would include anyone else with Bedard.

No Clement there. I'd be slightly disappointed. Instead the deal will be for three more minor-league pitchers. Mickolio is actually closer to the majors than the other two and could see playing time next season.

**JohnnyK27** · 01-28-2008, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by J W

OK, so there's our CFer in Jones, and I guess closer for next season in Sherrill.

No Clement there. I'd be slightly disappointed. Instead the deal will be for three more minor-league pitchers. Mickolio is actually closer to the majors than the other two and could see playing time next season.

4 pitchers & a CF ???

I'd be dissapointed ? Rather Have Clement & Chen ...then Butler & Mickolio

Listening to Geoff Baker on the radio in Seattle...
...He's on with Mitch in the Morning. I'll type out as much as possible that is important.

Sherrill told Baker (who he just talked to "5 minutes" prior to this interview), he has been scheduled to take a physical. Baker speculates that the M's got to him after the ESPN story and told him to keep his mouth shut.

Says the M's have a 1year deal with Wilkerson ready to go once this trade goes down. Another sign that points to this trade happening.

Specualtes that Jones physical probably won't take place until tomorrow morning. Still insists that Jones is going to Baltimore. Jones has told as much to more than one reporter. Speculates that by the time Jones is physically in Baltimore it'll be to late to do a physical today. This is probably why everyone is being so tight mouthed.

Not positive who else is in the trade. Same speculation. Tillman is expected. Don't know beyond that.

Nothing ground breaking, but just passing it along. The interview is still going on, but now they are talking about the merits of Jones for Bedard. So, I'll keep listening and post more if something good gets mentioned.

**J W** · 01-28-2008, 12:09 PM

I'm just saying I'd be slightly disappointed if Clement isn't part of the deal, since he's been talked about. I firmly believe the deal must be done at this point.

There are an awful lot of leaks going on regarding this trade... I wonder who's doing it? In Baltimore they're saying the deal still has to go through Peter Angelos, who "is unavailable at the moment". I thought he said he was "a very available individual"?

Anyways there are too many sources saying the deal will get done. I'm expecting it to at this point and many, many people will be upset (including me) if the deal is nixed last second.

**J W** · 01-28-2008, 02:43 PM

Done deal, huh?

M's deal for Bedard on hold
Ken Rosenthal, FOX Sports

I'm finding the Orioles circus harder and harder to take as we move through the years. I don't know how much longer I can be a fan if he nixes this deal.

**SABR Matt** · 01-29-2008, 08:13 PM

So let me axe you guys...(intended to be cornball there)

How the heck do you put up with Angelos. I got a two day exposure to him and it resulted in me punching my door so hard I bruised my knuckles. I don't know how you can stay lifelong Os fans. I'm not saying this to tick Os fans off...just honestly wondering.

**Erik Bedard** · 01-30-2008, 04:25 AM

For some, close your eyes and remember 1983. Others are fans of the players without being a fan of management. For others, it's masochism.

**MattD1972** · 01-30-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by SABR Matt

So let me axe you guys...(intended to be cornball there)

How the heck do you put up with Angelos. I got a two day exposure to him and it resulted in me punching my door so hard I bruised my knuckles. I don't know how you can stay lifelong Os fans. I'm not saying this to tick Os fans off...just honestly wondering.

I agree big-time. I spent 4 days elbow-to-elbow with tens of thousands of Orioles fans this past July in Cooperstown. A nicer bunch of people you could never hope to meet. I thought I had seen the nadir of ownership meddling before this offseason, but Angelos takes the cake. He has now nixed TWO trades that could have helped rebuild the team. I can't see why a real baseball guy like Andy MacPhail didn't say "Screw this, I'm gone" this week - unless he needed the money and/or ego boost. My family vacations near Baltimore every summer, and I really wanted to take my son on the Camden Yards tour this year. But I want none of my money going to that man to drive a proud, storied franchise deeper and deeper into the ground.

You fans of the Orioles deserve far, far better than what you're getting at this point.