Can we help jdlane out with this one?
He's referring to the 1907 Jersey City Skeeters Team Composite that I posted a while back.
I made a quick edit of his picture labeled "Joe Lake" with the '07 Skeeters "Whiting".
Obviously it's the same guy...but which one, Joe Lake or Jesse Whiting?
GaryL, Dto7, Bill, anybody...what do you think?
BB-Ref: Jesse Whiting vs. BB-Ref: Joe Lake
Last edited by BSmile; 05-03-2013 at 10:59 PM.
As I wrote in post #1762, "I've learned not to entirely trust the IDs that are on old baseball photos." It took only a week for someone to show that I haven't been distrustful enough; I had posted both the composite and the individual photo in the Deadball Era New Jersey Minor League Teams thread that I had started, and failed to notice the discrepancy.
Here is another composite of the 1907 Skeeters, from the 1908 Reach guide:
1907 Jersey City 2.jpg
In this composite, the player identified as Lake matches the ID of the individual photo, and the player identified as Whiting is the player who had been identified as Lake in the other composite. I am inclined to believe that this composite, and the identification of the solo portrait, are correct, and that whoever did the identifications for the entire Eastern League 106 years ago (for the composite that BSmile has divided into the individual teams) mixed these two players up.
Edited to add: The composite photo of the 1908 New York Highlanders that was published in the Reach Guide includes Joe Lake, and it appears to be the Skeeters photo, the same as the individual portrait (but maybe not, in the photo below, his collar seems to be up against one side of his neck):
AL New York.jpg
Last edited by RUKen; 05-19-2013 at 05:21 AM.
Here's the 1907 Spalding Guide take on the 1907 Skeeters team. It looks like the baseball guides got it right, but who ever made the composite that BSmile posted got it wrong.
1953 Toledo Sox Team
1953 Sox Team Stats
Plenty of familiar names on this Milwaukee Braves AAA farm club including Gene Conley who went on to win a championship with the 1957 Milwaukee Braves as well as 3 championships in basketball with the Boston Celtics (1959-61).
1953 Toledo Sox; 90-64, .584, 2 g ahead,---BB-Reference
Top Row, L-R: Jack Cerin (OF), Bert Thiel (P), Billy Reed (2B), Dick Hoover (P), Doc Bob Feron (trainer), Murray Wall (P), George Estock (P), Luis Marquez (OF), Billy Queen (3B).
Middle Row, L-R: Robert Montag (OF), Dewey Williams (C), Joe Just (coach), Hank Ertman (1B), George Selkirk (Mgr.), Jack Daniels (OF), Charlie Bicknell (P), Billy Klaus (3B/SS), Sam Jethroe (OF).
Botom Row, L-R: Eugene Solt (C), Paul Rambone (2B/3B), Monk Dubiel (P), Gene Conley (P), Buddy Kerr (2B/SS), Bob Chipman (P), Virgil Jester (P).
Last edited by Bill Burgess; 05-12-2013 at 08:55 AM.
the history captured in these pictures...Amazing!
Go Yankees
1955 Omaha Cardinals Team
1955 Cardinals Team Stats
There's a few well-known names on this squad, including Mgr. Johnny Keane who had quite an odd major league managing career (winning the World Series in '64 with the Cardinals...then becoming the NY Yankees manager in '65-66...then dropping dead in '67).
1955 Omaha Cardinals; 84-70, .545, Second Place, 8 g behind,---BB-Reference
Top Row, L-R: Paul Kippels (trainer), Dick Rand (C), Bobby Tiefenauer (P), Jim Willis (P), Tom Alston (1B/3B), Jim Pearce (P), Frank Carswell (OF), Willard Schmidt (P).
Middle Row, L-R: Wally Lammers (3B/SS), Gerry Thomas (2B/3B), Danny Schell (OF), Johnny Keane (Mgr.), Pete Riggan (C), Eddie Phillips (OF), George Spencer (P), Bob Clear (P).
Bottom Row, L-R: Eddie Vlacek (batboy), Charlie Peete (OF), Dick Schofield (SS), Joe Presko (P), Mo Mozzali (1B), Don Blasingame (2B), Stu Miller (P), Steve Petruconis (batboy).
Last edited by Bill Burgess; 05-12-2013 at 08:56 AM.
1946 Chicago Cubs Team
1946 Cubs Team Stats
The '46 Cubs managed to get to a respectable 82-71 record despite hitting only 56 home runs (although probably helped by the pitching staff's 3.24 ERA).
1946 Chicago Cubs; 82-71, .536, 3rd Place, 14.5 g behind,---BB-Reference
Top Row, L-R: Bob Scheffing (C), Marv Rickert (OF), Johnny Schmitz (P), Paul Erickson (P), Frank Secory (OF), Johnny Ostrowski (OF), Ray Prim (P), Hank Wyse (P), Andy Pafko (OF), Vern Olsen (P).
Second Row, L-R: Claude Passeau (P), Peanuts Lowrey (OF), Milt Stock (coach), Charlie Grimm (Mgr.), Bob Lewis (Traveling Secretary), Roy Johnson (coach), Richard 'Red' Smith (coach), Billy Jurges (SS), Bobby Sturgeon (MI).
Third Row, L-R: Hi Bithorn (P), Phil Cavarretta (OF), Bill Nicholson (OF), Clyde McCullough (C), Dom Dallessandro (OF), Emil Kush (P), Russ Meers (P), Bill Fleming (P), Hank Borowy (P), Don Johnson (2B), Bob Chipman (P).
Bottom Row, L-R: Stan Hack (3B), Mickey Livingston (C), Chalikis (batboy), Andy Lotshaw (trainer), Lou Stringer (2B), Eddie Waitkus (1B), Joe Doller (Assistant Trainer).
Last edited by Bill Burgess; 05-11-2013 at 11:06 AM.
1955 Toronto Maple Leafs Team
1955 Maple Leafs Team Stats
Here's another new, larger version from an old post. That's quite a handlebar moustache on that mascot logo!
1955 Toronto Maple Leafs; 94-59, .617, Second Place, 1/2 g behind,---BB-Reference
Top Row, L-R: Ray Shore (P), Mike Goliat (1B/2B), Arnie Landeck (P), Don Griffin (C), Frank Barnes (P), Sam Jethroe(OF), Lou Berberet (C), John Hetki (P), Charlie Menkes (batboy).
Middle Row, L-R: Bill Smith (trainer), Ed Stevens (1B), Joe Taylor (OF), Hector Rodriquez (SS), Mike Fornieles(P), Archie Wilson (OF), Lou Limmer (1B), Lew Morton(OF), Hal Keller .
Bottom Row, L-R: Bill Miller (P), Jack Crimian (P), Eddie Blake (P), Bruno Betzel (coach), Luke Sewell (Mgr.), Pete Castiglione (3B/OF), Billy Demars (2B/SS), Marlo Picone (P), Loren Babe (3B).
Last edited by Bill Burgess; 05-12-2013 at 05:33 PM.
1888 Des Moines Prohibitionists Team
1888 Prohibitionists Team Stats
From the very early days of the old Western Association.
1888 Philadelphia Athletics Team
1888 Athletics Team Stats
From the old days of the American Association, this team played from 1882-1890 and shouldn't be confused with the American League Athletics team that Connie Mack helped to form in 1901. Also note a very young future HOF'er, 24 year old Wilbert 'Uncle Robbie' Robinson (to the left of "Athletic 1888").
1932 Columbus Red Birds Team
1932 Red Birds Team Stats
This team was filled with future MLB players like George Selkirk and Paul "Daffy" Dean, a future HOF Mgr. Billy Southworth and a future HOF executive and all-around character, Larry MacPhail.
1932 Columbus Red Birds;---BB-Reference
Top Row, L-R: Joe Bilgere (SS), Lew Riggs (3B), Pat Crawford (1B), Larry MacPhail (team President), Billy Southworth (Mgr.), Burgess Whitehead (2B), Otto Bluege (SS), Hal Anderson (OF).
Middle Row, L-R: Dr. Richard Rohde (trainer), Nick Cullop (OF), Joe Sprinz (C), George Selkirk (OF), Al Grabowski (P), Evar Swanson (OF), Kenny Ash (P), Paul Dean (P).
Bottom Row, L-R: Fred Blake (P), Leroy Parmelee (P), Bill Lee (P), Robert Osborne (P), Phil 'Lefty' Weinert (P), Francis Healey (C).
Last edited by Bill Burgess; 05-19-2013 at 10:54 AM.
I'm the high bidder for this photo and hope to own it in the next day or so. I'm buying the photo because of Evar Swanson 3rd player from the right 2nd row.
When I got out of the army in 1968 I got a job at the Galesburg, Il post office and Evar was the postmaster there. After working there for a week he came and introduced himself and we talked for about 20 minutes, after he left a fellow worker told me that he played major league baseball and had played against Babe Ruth. I never got to talk to Evar about baseball and Babe Ruth.
Evar got me interested in the older ball players and I have a nice collection of Evar photos and a few cards of his 1933 Goudey baseball card.
Evar Swanson Bio
Evar Swanson fastest man in baseball
Last edited by Dto7; 05-19-2013 at 07:18 AM.
1937 San Antonio Missions Team
1937 Missions Team Stats
Not a lot to say about this St. Louis Browns affiliated, Texas League squad...except that's quite a bandage on Johnny Sams chin (back row, 4th from left).
1937 San Antonio Missions;---BB-Reference
Top Row, L-R: Howard 'Lefty' Mills (P), Les Tietje (P), Harry Kimberlin (P), Johnny Sams (P), Jack Mitchell (announcer), Syg Gryska (SS), Bill Miller (P), Art Scharein (3B), Stan Keyes (OF), Glenn Liebhardt (P).
Bottom Row, L-R: Milt Byrnes (OF), Buck Stanton (1B), Sam Harshany (C), Zack Taylor (Mgr.), Bob Muncrief (P), Ollie Bejma (2B), Ralph 'Jeep' Rhein (SS), Mel Mazzera (OF).
Last edited by Bill Burgess; 05-21-2013 at 06:51 AM.
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