Why Did Sosa Win The 1998 MVP?

[Westlake]

In the NL, Ramirez rated below (in order) Wright, Holliday, Pujols, Tulowitzki, Utley, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Chipper, Aramis Ramirez, and Alfonso Soriano in win shares last year.

If Hanley Ramirez (145 OPS+) was below Jose Reyes (103 OPS+) in WS, I don't know if i'll ever put stock in them again. Maybe if Hanley was a bad baserunner and Reyes was a GG shortstop, that would be close to accurate -- but we all know neither of those things are true.

[OleMissCub]

If Hanley Ramirez (145 OPS+) was below Jose Reyes (103 OPS+) in WS, I don't know if i'll ever put stock in them again. Maybe if Hanley was a bad baserunner and Reyes was a GG shortstop, that would be close to accurate -- but we all know neither of those things are true.

I'm not a stat guru at all, but maybe Reyes had more win shares because his team actually won more games, so he had more wins to actually get a share of?

I honestly don't know.

[AstrosFan]

If Hanley Ramirez (145 OPS+) was below Jose Reyes (103 OPS+) in WS, I don't know if i'll ever put stock in them again. Maybe if Hanley was a bad baserunner and Reyes was a GG shortstop, that would be close to accurate -- but we all know neither of those things are true.

Hanley ranked behind Wright, Pujols, Cabrera, and Holliday in the NL, and was the top ranked shortstop in Win Shares. The only thing that prevented him from ranking higher is that he is an awful defensive shortstop. I don't know what OleMissCub is talking about.

[AstrosFan]

ftp://ftp.baseballgraphs.com/winshares

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstat...&Submit=Submit

The first is the downloadable Win Shares database. The second is The Hardball Times's Win Shares leaders for the NL in 2007.

[OleMissCub]

Hanley ranked behind Wright, Pujols, Cabrera, and Holliday in the NL, and was the top ranked shortstop in Win Shares. The only thing that prevented him from ranking higher is that he is an awful defensive shortstop. I don't know what OleMissCub is talking about.

My bad for saying "win shares", I was looking at WARP3 numbers.

[AstrosFan]

In that case, I don't know what Baseball Prospectus is talking about

[OleMissCub]

I think it is interesting how the NL MVP last year basically had the same year as the guy who came in tenth in the AL voting(Granderson).

[Minstrel]

In that case, I don't know what Baseball Prospectus is talking about

Ramirez does terribly in BP's fielding metrics. He ranked at the top of their VORP rankings in the NL, but drops way way down based on his negative FRAR.

[AstrosFan]

Ramirez does terribly in everybody's fielding metrics. The difference is that most of them don't see a 5-6 win difference between the best and worst defensive shortstops.