We did a project three summers ago called The 500 Player Pyramid, which is no longer archived on this site. The aim was to rate the top 500 players from 1 to 10. The project ground down as it progressed and we never did finish the final round (sorry, Mark). We did come up with a good ranking of 371 players, which I'm posting here.
Basically, a rating of 6- or higher puts you in the top 100. A 4- or better is top 200. The HOF line is around 3 or 3-. Our top 20 were rated like this:
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Ross Barnes 3
Deacon White 3
Paul Hines 3
Harry Stovey 3-
Bill Dahlen 4
Sherry Magee 3+
Joe Gordon 4
Stan Hack 3
Minnie Minoso 4+
Dick Allen 4
Ron Santo 5
Joe Torre 4
Bert Blyleven 4+
Bobby Grich 4+
Ted Simmons 4
Andre Dawson 5-
Dale Murphy 5-
Alan Trammell 4
Mark McGwire 5
Tim Raines 5+
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The 500 Player Pyramid
We’re taking the top 500 players of all time and ranking them from 1 to 10. These are the top 371 players of all time, which we determined in the first nine rounds:
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THE TOP 371 PLAYERS IN BASEBALL HISTORY
Pitchers (101)
10 Johnson W*
9 Young C*
9 Grove*
9 Alexander*
9 Clemens
9 Mathewson*
8 Spahn*
8 Seaver*
8 Maddux
8 Paige*(n)
8 Johnson R
8- Carlton*
7+ Feller*
7+ Gibson B*
7 Nichols*
7 Hubbell*
7 Koufax*
7 Palmer*
7 Ford*
7- Martinez P
6+ Marichal*
6 Brown*
6 Williams J*(n)
6 Walsh*
6 Ryan*
6- Roberts*
6- Perry G*
5 Clarkson*#
5 Wilhelm*
5 Plank*
5 Jenkins*
5 Niekro P*
5 Keefe*#
5 Rogan*(n)
5 Vance*
5- Dean*
4+ Blyleven
4+ Eckersley*
4+ Glavine
4+ Gossage*
4+ Coveleski*
4 Newhouser*
4 Radbourn*#
4 Rusie*#
4 McGinnity*
4 Sutton D*
4 Wynn E*
4 Drysdale*
4 Fingers*
4- Waddell*
4- Lyons*
3+ Faber*
3+ Rivera M
3+ Sutter
3+ Lemon B*
3+ Bunning*
3+ Mays C
3 Galvin*#
3 Joss*
3 Brown K
3 Ferrell W
3 Ruffing*
3 Mussina
3 Rixey*
3 Foster W*(n)
3 Tiant
3 Schilling
3 Welch M*
3 Caruthers #
3 John T
3 Day L*(n)
3 Hunter*
3- Hoffman T
3- Kaat
3- Smith Lee
3- Brown Ray*(n)
3- Smith H*(n)
2+ Griffith C*#
2+ Smoltz J
2+ Spalding A*#
2 Foster Ru*(n)
2 Gomez L*
2 Grimes B*
2 Morris J
2 Guidry R
2 Quisenberry D
2 Bridges T
2 Pennock H*
2 Mullane T #
2 Redding D(n)
2 Walters B
2 Gooden D
2 Cicotte E
2 Hershiser O
2- Bender C*
2- Chesbro J*
2- Hoyt W*
2- Luque D
2- Willis V*
2- McCormick J #
2- Lyle S
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Catchers (27)
9- Gibson J*(n)
8+ Bench*
8+ Berra*
7 Cochrane*
7- Piazza
7- Campanella*
7- Rodriguez I
6 Ewing*#
6 Dickey*
6- Hartnett*
5+ Fisk*
5+ Carter G*
4 Santop*(n)
4 Torre
4 Simmons T
3+ Mackey*(n)
3 Freehan
3 White Dea #
3 Munson
3 Bresnahan*
3- Lombardi*
2+ Bennett C #
2 Howard E
2 McVey C #
2 Schang W
2 Parrish Lan
2- Schalk R*
First Base (38)
10 Gehrig*
9 Foxx*
7+ Greenberg*
7 Anson*#
7 Brouthers*#
6+ Thomas F
6+ Mize*
6+ McCovey*
6 Murray*
6 Leonard B*(n)
6 Bagwell
6 Killebrew*
5 Sisler*
5 McGwire
5 Palmeiro
5 Connor*#
5- Suttles(n)
4 Allen
4 Perez*
4 Terry*
4- Cepeda*
3+ McGriff
3+ Hernandez K
3- Mattingly
2+ Cash N
2+ Clark W
2+ Start J #
2 Beckley J*#
2 Pujols A
2 Thome J
2 Chance F*
2 Garvey S
2 Bottomley J*
2 Hodges G
2 Vernon M
2- Galarraga A
2- Grace M
2- Helton T
Second Base (29)
9+ Hornsby*
9 Collins E*
9- Lajoie*
8+ Morgan*
7+ Robinson J*
7 Gehringer*
6+ Carew*
6- Frisch*
6- Sandberg*
5 Alomar
5 Biggio
4+ Grich
4 Whitaker
4 Gordon
4 Doerr*
4- Herman Bi*
3+ Fox N*
3 McPhee*#
3 Richardson H #
3 Barnes #
3 Randolph
2+ Kent J
2+ Lazzeri T*
2+ Childs C #
2+ Grant F*(n)#
2 Doyle L
2 Mazeroski B*
2 Schoendienst R*
2 Evers J*
Third Base (31)
9 Schmidt*
8 Mathews*
8 Brett*
7 Boggs*
5 Baker F*
5 Santo
5 Molitor*
5 Robinson Br*
4 Dandridge*(n)
4 Traynor*
4- Collins J*
4- Boyer K
3 Evans Da
3 Hack
3 Nettles
3 Martinez E
3 Jones Chi
3- Wilson Ju*(n)
3- Groh
3- Beckwith(n)
2+ Sutton E #
2 Cey R
2 Ventura R
2 Williams Ma
2 Rolen S
2 Leach To
2 Johnson Ju*(n)
2 Rosen A
2 Bando S
2 Bell Bu
2- Williamson E #
Shortstop (37)
10 Wagner*
8 Rodriguez A
8 Lloyd*(n)
8- Ripken*
7 Vaughan*
7 Banks*
6 Yount*
6- Cronin*
5 Appling*
5 Davis G*#
5 Smith O*
5- Larkin B
4+ Wells W*(n)
4 Trammell
4 Boudreau*
4 Dahlen #
4 Reese*
4 Ward J*#
3+ Aparicio*
3 Jeter
3 Wright Ge*#
3 Jennings*#
3 Sewell J*
3 Wallace*
3 Glasscock #
2+ Rizzuto P*
2+ Johnson HR(n)
2 Maranville R*
2 Stephens V
2 Concepcion D
2 Garciaparra N
2 Bancroft D*
2 Pearce D #
2 Tinker J*
2 Vizquel O
2- Lundy D(n)
2- Tejada M
Left Field (31)
10 Williams T*
10 Bonds Ba
9+ Musial*
8 Henderson*
8- Yastrzemski*
7 Delahanty*#
6 Rose
6 Stearnes*(n)
6 Simmons A*
5+ Stargell*
5+ Raines
5 Williams Bi*
5 Kiner*
5- Medwick*
5- Burkett*#
4+ Minoso
4+ Goslin*
4+ Clarke F*
4 O’Rourke*#
4 Brock*
4- Wheat*
3+ Magee S
3 Kelley J*#
3 Belle A
3 Irvin*(n)
3 Rice J
3- Stovey H #
2+ Sheckard J
2 Johnson Bob
2 Manush H*
2- Guerrero P
Center Field (39)
10+ Cobb*
10 Mays W*
10- Mantle*
9+ Speaker*
9 DiMaggio J*
8+ Charleston*(n)
8 Griffey
6+ Snider*
6 Bell C*(n)
6 Hamilton*#
5- Doby*
5- Dawson
5- Murphy Dal
4+ Puckett*
4 Ashburn*
4 Wynn J
4 Averill*
3+ Van Haltren #
3+ Roush*
3+ Carey*
3 Duffy*#
3 Hines #
3 Gore #
3 Hill P*(n)
3- Lynn
2+ Williams Be
2+ Wilson H*
2 Ryan J #
2 Berger W
2 Edmonds J
2 Pinson V
2 Pike L #
2 Browning P #
2 McGee W
2- Combs E*
2- Davis W
2- Jones An
2- Oliver A
2- Waner L*
Right Field (38)
10+ Ruth*
10- Aaron*
9- Robinson F*
8 Ott*
8- Gwynn*
7+ Clemente*
7 Kaline*
7 Crawford*
7- Jackson R*
6 Waner P*
6 Jackson J
6- Heilmann*
5+ Dihigo*(n)
5+ Winfield*
5+ Torriente*(n)
5 Sosa
4 Ramirez M
4 Kelly K*#
4 Sheffield
4 Keeler*
4 Evans Dw
4 Slaughter*
4- Thompson S*#
3 Bonds Bo
3 Flick*
3- Oliva
3- Smith Reg
3- Klein*
3- Parker D
2+ Walker L
2+ Staub R
2+ Suzuki I
2 Cuyler K*
2 Rice S*
2 Guerrero V
2 Cravath G
2 Youngs R*
2- Hooper H*
* = member of the Cooperstown hall
(n) = primarily Negro league player
# = primarily 19th century player
See the thread, “The 500 Player Pyramid – Tier 9: The 2’s” for full results of the “2’s” voting.
RULES
We’ve decided on the following structure:
10 10s
15 9s
20 8s
25 7s
30 6s (due to a tie, this is actually 31)
40 5s (reduced to 39)
55 4s (due to ties, reduced to 54)
75 3s
100 2s (due to ties, this is actually 102)
130 1s (now planned for 129)
We'll conduct voting one level at a time, starting with the 10's down to the 1's.
Because the upper levels are well-trod ground for most of us, we did the first six rounds on a semi-monthly basis, with ballots due on the 15th and 30th of each month, March through May. We'll go at a slower pace now through the summer months, going to monthly elections for the last four elections, finishing up in September.
To try and eliminate ties, the top 20% in each level will be specified with a + sign and your bottom 20% with a minus sign. For example, for the first election (10 10's), your top two players will be specified as 10+, the next six will be plain old 10's and the last two you will give 10-. This expresses some intensity to your rankings without having to go through the trouble of absolute rankings. Because of ties at the bottom of the last round, the 10th election (129 1's) will have 25 guys rated 1+, 78 rated 1, and 26 rated 1-.
Eligible are all players in MLB and Negro leagues 1871 to 2005. Players' activity in the minors or foreign leagues should be considered when ascertaining their value. Players should be rated based upon their value contributed to their team's quest for a championship. Off-field behavior is relevant only to the extent that it relates to the teams' fortunes. Intangibles such as leadership should be considered, but player-managers should not have their contribution as managers included in their value. Issues of time-lining, such as how to account for different schedule lengths and levels of play are up to the individual voter to decide and should be a topic of the discussions.
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