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    Quote Originally Posted by leecemark View Post
    Is he really any better than Mo Vaughn?
    Ortiz is slightly better than Mo Vaughn, but, yes, they are very similar type players.

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    1. Babe Ruth - 2. Ty Cobb - 3. Willie Mays - 4. Honus Wagner - 5. Ted Williams
    6. Mickey Mantle - 7. Hank Aaron - 8. Walter Johnson - 9. Barry Bonds - 10. Josh Gibson
    11. Stan Musial - 12. Lou Gehrig - 13. Oscar Charleston - 14. Rogers Hornsby - 15. Lefty Grove
    16. Mike Schmidt - 17. Tris Speaker - 18. Greg Maddux - 19. Eddie Collins - 20. Joe DiMaggio
    21. Roger Clemens - 22. Jimmie Foxx - 23. Cy Young - 24. Frank Robinson - 25. Yogi Berra
    26. Alex Rodriguez - 27. Pete Alexander - 28. Mel Ott - 29. Nap Lajoie - 30. Johnny Bench
    31. Christy Mathewson - 32. Joe Morgan - 33. Cap Anson - 34. Tom Seaver - 35. Satchel Paige
    36. Jackie Robinson - 37. John "Pop" Lloyd - 38. Turkey Stearnes - 39. Dan Brouthers - 40. Rickey Henderson
    41. Warren Spahn - 42. George Brett - 43. Cal Ripken, Jr - 44. Randy Johnson - 45. Eddie Mathews
    46. Steve Carlton - 47. Hank Greenberg - 48. Ed Delahanty - 49. Mike Piazza - 50. Kid Nichols
    51. Arky Vaughan - 52. Ken Griffey Jr. - 53. Al Kaline - 54. Pete Rose - 55. Reggie Jackson
    56. Tony Gwynn - 57. Charlie Gehringer - 58. Bob Feller - 59. Smokey Joe Williams - 60. Carl Yastrzemski
    61. Mickey Cochrane - 62. Wade Boggs - 63. Frankie Frisch - 64. Duke Snider - 65. Sam Crawford
    66. Bob Gibson - 67. Pedro Martinez - 68. Frank Thomas - 69. Robin Yount - 70. Johnny Mize
    71. Roberto Clemente - 72. Craig Biggio - 73. Jeff Bagwell - 74. Carl Hubbell - 75. Nolan Ryan
    76. Buck Leonard - 77. Roy Campanella - 78. Sandy Koufax - 79. Buck Ewing - 80. Harmon Killebrew
    81. Ernie Banks - 82. Eddie Murray - 83. Home Run Baker - 84. Robin Roberts - 85. Martin Dihigo
    86. Willie McCovey - 87. Rod Carew - 88. Eddie Plank - 89. Jim Palmer - 90. Paul Waner
    91. Tim Raines - 92. Chipper Jones - 93. King Kelly - 94. George Wright - 95. Bert Blyleven
    96. Harry Heilmann - 97. Roger Connor - 98. Ivan Rodriguez - 99. Gary Carter - 100. Cristobal Torriente
    101. Carlton Fisk - 102. Billy Hamilton - 103. Gaylord Perry - 104. Ron Santo - 105. Ed Walsh
    106. Al Simmons - 107. Willie Stargell - 108. Roberto Alomar - 109. Jesse Burkett - 110. Mule Suttles
    111. Barry Larkin - 112. Joe Cronin - 113. Mariano Rivera - 114. Phil Niekro - 115. Mark McGwire
    116. Tim Keefe - 117. Alan Trammell - 118. Mordecai Brown - 119. Cool Papa Bell - 120. Ryne Sandberg
    121. Albert Pujols - 122. George Davis - 123. Whitey Ford - 124. Bill Dickey - 125. Joe Jackson
    126. Juan Marichal - 127. Paul Hines - 128. Dazzy Vance - 129. Bullet Joe Rogan - 130. Gabby Hartnett
    131. Jim O'Rourke - 132. Deacon White - 133. Dennis Eckersley - 134. Paul Molitor - 135. Richie Ashburn
    136. John Clarkson - 137. Dick Allen - 138. Pee Wee Reese - 139. Gary Sheffield - 140. Bobby Grich
    141. Willie Wells - 142. Hal Newhouser - 143. Dave Winfield - 144. Rafael Palmeiro - 145. Kirby Puckett
    146. Hoyt Wilhelm - 147. Manny Ramirez - 148. Bill Dahlen - 149. Fergie Jenkins - 150. Tom Glavine
    151. Luke Appling - 152. Don Sutton - 153. Brooks Robinson - 154. Ross Barnes - 155. Joe Medwick
    156. Larry Doby - 157. Louis Santop - 158. Jim Thome - 159. Jud Wilson - 160. Lou Whitaker
    161. Ozzie Smith - 162. Jimmy Collins - 163. Minnie Minoso - 164. Fred Clarke - 165. Sam Thompson
    166. Amos Rusie - 167. Derek Jeter - 168. Joe Start - 169. Joe Gordon - 170. Ted Simmons
    171. Billy Williams - 172. Curt Schilling - 173. John Smoltz - 174. Charley Radbourn - 175. Goose Goslin
    176. Rube Foster - 177. Mike Mussina - 178. Goose Gossage - 179. Vladimir Guerrero - 180. Jeff Kent
    181. Rollie Fingers - 182. Sammy Sosa - 183. Rube Waddell - 184. Red Ruffing - 185. Enos Slaughter
    186. Max Carey - 187. Don Drysdale - 188. Billy Herman - 189. Joe Torre - 190. Stan Coveleski
    191. Fred McGriff - 192. Early Wynn - 193. Edgar Martinez - 194. Sherry Magee - 195. Zack Wheat
    196. Lou Boudreau - 197. Darrell Evans - 198. Orlando Cepeda - 199. Carlos Delgado - 200. Willie Keeler
    201. Ray Brown - 202. Jim Bunning - 203. - Al Spalding - 204. Ted Lyons - 205. Eppa Rixey
    206. Andre Dawson - 207. Pete Hill - 208. - Ralph Kiner - 209. Tony Perez - 210. Bid McPhee
    211. Ezra Sutton - 212. John Beckwith - 213. Heinie Groh - 214. John M. Ward - 215. Wes Ferrell
    216. Ken Boyer - 217. George Sisler - 218. Bill Foster - 219. Elmer Flick - 220. Lou Brock
    221. Bill Freehan - 222. Kevin Brown - 223. Joe McGinnity - 224. Pud Galvin - 225. Harry Stovey
    226. Dwight Evans - 227. Bobby Doerr - 228. Ichiro Suzuki - 229. Dizzy Dean - 230. Dickey Pearce
    231. Red Faber - 232. Keith Hernandez - 233. Will Clark - 234. Bobby Wallace - 235. Charlie Bennett
    236. Roger Bresnahan - 237. Larry Walker - 238. Jim Edmonds - 239. Jose Mendez - 240. Dave Parker
    241. Bill Terry - 242. Stan Hack - 243. Earl Averill - 244. Chuck Klein - 245. Pie Traynor
    246. Monte Irvin - 247. George Gore - 248. Hardy Richardson - 249. Jim Rice - 250. Pete Browning
    251. Jimmy Wynn - 252. Bob Lemon - 253. Jack Glasscock - 254. Graig Nettles - 255. Todd Helton
    256. Nellie Fox - 257. Frank Grant - 258. Bruce Sutter - 259. Clark Griffith - 260. Albert Belle
    261. Dale Murphy - 262. Hugh Duffy - 263. Bob Caruthers - 264. Hughie Jennings - 265. Dobie Moore
    266. Cal McVey - 267. Ray Dandridge - 268. Tommy Leach - 269. Vic Willis - 270. Trevor Hoffman
    271. Bernie Williams - 272. Johan Santana - 273. Joe Sewell - 274. Larry Doyle - 275. Thurman Munson
    276. Edd Roush - 277. Willard Brown - 278. Alejandro Oms - 279. Rabbit Maranville - 280. Vern Stephens
    281. Dan Quisenberry - 282. Bob Elliott - 283. Reggie Smith - 284. Joe Kelley - 285. Biz Mackey
    286. Frank Chance - 287. Jim McCormick - 288. George Van Haltren - 289. Red Schoendienst - 290. Tommy Bridges
    291. Luis Aparicio - 292. Hack Wilson - 293. Bobby Bonds - 294. Grant Homerun Johnson - 295. Scott Rolen
    296. Carl Mays - 297. Jose Canseco - 298. Ernie Lombardi - 299. Burleigh Grimes - 300. Gavvy Cravath
    301. Willie Randolph - 302. Steve Garvey - 303. Elston Howard - 304. Cupid Childs - 305. Lip Pike
    306. Addie Joss - 307. Mickey Welch - 308. Billy Pierce - 309. Jimmy Sheckard - 310. Dave Stieb
    311. Tony Lazzeri - 312. Tony Mullane - 313. Urban Shocker - 314. Jake Beckley - 315. Tony Oliva
    316. Tommy John - 317. Quincy Trouppe - 318. Hilton Smith - 319. Tip O'Neill - 320. Lance Parrish
    321. Wilbur Cooper - 322. Don Mattingly - 323. Bret Saberhagen - 324. Kiki Cuyler - 325. Phil Rizzuto
    326. Charlie Keller - 327. Ken Singleton - 328. Juan Gonzalez - 329. Norm Cash - 330. Cannonball Dick Redding
    331. Wally Schang - 332. Sal Bando - 333. Gil Hodges - 334. Nomar Garciaparra - 335. Jimmy Ryan
    336. George Kell - 337. Sam Rice - 338. Luis Tiant - 339. Dick McAuliffe - 340. Ron Guidry
    341. Al Rosen - 342. Rusty Staub - 343. John McGraw - 344. Bucky Walters - 345. Jack Morris
    346. Herman Long - 347. Wally Berger - 348. Charley Jones - 349. Lefty Gomez - 350. Bobby Veach
    351. Jim Bottomley - 352. Heinie Manush - 353. Bob Johnson - 354. Buzz Arlett - 355. Lave Cross
    356. Billy Wagner - 357. Dick Lundy - 358. Leon Day - 359. Jim Creighton - 360. Kent Tekulve
    361. David Cone - 362. Lee Smith - 363. Fielder Jones - 364. Jim Kaat - 365. Al Oliver
    366. Ron Cey - 367. Vada Pinson - 368. Herb Pennock - 369. Jim "Catfish" Hunter - 370. Chief Bender
    371. John Olerud - 372. Rick Reuschel - 373. Buddy Bell - 374. Dave Concepcion - 375. Bill Mazeroski
    376. Fred Lynn
    377. Johnny Evers
    378. Buddy Myer
    379. Del Pratt
    380. Jorge Posada
    381. Tommy Bond
    382. Don Newcombe
    383. Kenny Lofton
    384. Lefty O'Doul
    385. Deacon McGuire
    386. Lon Warneke
    387. Gene Tenace
    388. John Franco
    389. Mickey Vernon
    390. Walker Cooper
    391. Boog Powell
    392. Ray Schalk
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    393. Robin Ventura
    394. Fred Dunlap

    Ventura was my next pick, but he was taken!

    Thought about Javy Lopez, but something doesn't feel right about him being so high. Catchers are so hard to place!

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    1. Babe Ruth - 2. Ty Cobb - 3. Willie Mays - 4. Honus Wagner - 5. Ted Williams
    6. Mickey Mantle - 7. Hank Aaron - 8. Walter Johnson - 9. Barry Bonds - 10. Josh Gibson
    11. Stan Musial - 12. Lou Gehrig - 13. Oscar Charleston - 14. Rogers Hornsby - 15. Lefty Grove
    16. Mike Schmidt - 17. Tris Speaker - 18. Greg Maddux - 19. Eddie Collins - 20. Joe DiMaggio
    21. Roger Clemens - 22. Jimmie Foxx - 23. Cy Young - 24. Frank Robinson - 25. Yogi Berra
    26. Alex Rodriguez - 27. Pete Alexander - 28. Mel Ott - 29. Nap Lajoie - 30. Johnny Bench
    31. Christy Mathewson - 32. Joe Morgan - 33. Cap Anson - 34. Tom Seaver - 35. Satchel Paige
    36. Jackie Robinson - 37. John "Pop" Lloyd - 38. Turkey Stearnes - 39. Dan Brouthers - 40. Rickey Henderson
    41. Warren Spahn - 42. George Brett - 43. Cal Ripken, Jr - 44. Randy Johnson - 45. Eddie Mathews
    46. Steve Carlton - 47. Hank Greenberg - 48. Ed Delahanty - 49. Mike Piazza - 50. Kid Nichols
    51. Arky Vaughan - 52. Ken Griffey Jr. - 53. Al Kaline - 54. Pete Rose - 55. Reggie Jackson
    56. Tony Gwynn - 57. Charlie Gehringer - 58. Bob Feller - 59. Smokey Joe Williams - 60. Carl Yastrzemski
    61. Mickey Cochrane - 62. Wade Boggs - 63. Frankie Frisch - 64. Duke Snider - 65. Sam Crawford
    66. Bob Gibson - 67. Pedro Martinez - 68. Frank Thomas - 69. Robin Yount - 70. Johnny Mize
    71. Roberto Clemente - 72. Craig Biggio - 73. Jeff Bagwell - 74. Carl Hubbell - 75. Nolan Ryan
    76. Buck Leonard - 77. Roy Campanella - 78. Sandy Koufax - 79. Buck Ewing - 80. Harmon Killebrew
    81. Ernie Banks - 82. Eddie Murray - 83. Home Run Baker - 84. Robin Roberts - 85. Martin Dihigo
    86. Willie McCovey - 87. Rod Carew - 88. Eddie Plank - 89. Jim Palmer - 90. Paul Waner
    91. Tim Raines - 92. Chipper Jones - 93. King Kelly - 94. George Wright - 95. Bert Blyleven
    96. Harry Heilmann - 97. Roger Connor - 98. Ivan Rodriguez - 99. Gary Carter - 100. Cristobal Torriente
    101. Carlton Fisk - 102. Billy Hamilton - 103. Gaylord Perry - 104. Ron Santo - 105. Ed Walsh
    106. Al Simmons - 107. Willie Stargell - 108. Roberto Alomar - 109. Jesse Burkett - 110. Mule Suttles
    111. Barry Larkin - 112. Joe Cronin - 113. Mariano Rivera - 114. Phil Niekro - 115. Mark McGwire
    116. Tim Keefe - 117. Alan Trammell - 118. Mordecai Brown - 119. Cool Papa Bell - 120. Ryne Sandberg
    121. Albert Pujols - 122. George Davis - 123. Whitey Ford - 124. Bill Dickey - 125. Joe Jackson
    126. Juan Marichal - 127. Paul Hines - 128. Dazzy Vance - 129. Bullet Joe Rogan - 130. Gabby Hartnett
    131. Jim O'Rourke - 132. Deacon White - 133. Dennis Eckersley - 134. Paul Molitor - 135. Richie Ashburn
    136. John Clarkson - 137. Dick Allen - 138. Pee Wee Reese - 139. Gary Sheffield - 140. Bobby Grich
    141. Willie Wells - 142. Hal Newhouser - 143. Dave Winfield - 144. Rafael Palmeiro - 145. Kirby Puckett
    146. Hoyt Wilhelm - 147. Manny Ramirez - 148. Bill Dahlen - 149. Fergie Jenkins - 150. Tom Glavine
    151. Luke Appling - 152. Don Sutton - 153. Brooks Robinson - 154. Ross Barnes - 155. Joe Medwick
    156. Larry Doby - 157. Louis Santop - 158. Jim Thome - 159. Jud Wilson - 160. Lou Whitaker
    161. Ozzie Smith - 162. Jimmy Collins - 163. Minnie Minoso - 164. Fred Clarke - 165. Sam Thompson
    166. Amos Rusie - 167. Derek Jeter - 168. Joe Start - 169. Joe Gordon - 170. Ted Simmons
    171. Billy Williams - 172. Curt Schilling - 173. John Smoltz - 174. Charley Radbourn - 175. Goose Goslin
    176. Rube Foster - 177. Mike Mussina - 178. Goose Gossage - 179. Vladimir Guerrero - 180. Jeff Kent
    181. Rollie Fingers - 182. Sammy Sosa - 183. Rube Waddell - 184. Red Ruffing - 185. Enos Slaughter
    186. Max Carey - 187. Don Drysdale - 188. Billy Herman - 189. Joe Torre - 190. Stan Coveleski
    191. Fred McGriff - 192. Early Wynn - 193. Edgar Martinez - 194. Sherry Magee - 195. Zack Wheat
    196. Lou Boudreau - 197. Darrell Evans - 198. Orlando Cepeda - 199. Carlos Delgado - 200. Willie Keeler
    201. Ray Brown - 202. Jim Bunning - 203. - Al Spalding - 204. Ted Lyons - 205. Eppa Rixey
    206. Andre Dawson - 207. Pete Hill - 208. - Ralph Kiner - 209. Tony Perez - 210. Bid McPhee
    211. Ezra Sutton - 212. John Beckwith - 213. Heinie Groh - 214. John M. Ward - 215. Wes Ferrell
    216. Ken Boyer - 217. George Sisler - 218. Bill Foster - 219. Elmer Flick - 220. Lou Brock
    221. Bill Freehan - 222. Kevin Brown - 223. Joe McGinnity - 224. Pud Galvin - 225. Harry Stovey
    226. Dwight Evans - 227. Bobby Doerr - 228. Ichiro Suzuki - 229. Dizzy Dean - 230. Dickey Pearce
    231. Red Faber - 232. Keith Hernandez - 233. Will Clark - 234. Bobby Wallace - 235. Charlie Bennett
    236. Roger Bresnahan - 237. Larry Walker - 238. Jim Edmonds - 239. Jose Mendez - 240. Dave Parker
    241. Bill Terry - 242. Stan Hack - 243. Earl Averill - 244. Chuck Klein - 245. Pie Traynor
    246. Monte Irvin - 247. George Gore - 248. Hardy Richardson - 249. Jim Rice - 250. Pete Browning
    251. Jimmy Wynn - 252. Bob Lemon - 253. Jack Glasscock - 254. Graig Nettles - 255. Todd Helton
    256. Nellie Fox - 257. Frank Grant - 258. Bruce Sutter - 259. Clark Griffith - 260. Albert Belle
    261. Dale Murphy - 262. Hugh Duffy - 263. Bob Caruthers - 264. Hughie Jennings - 265. Dobie Moore
    266. Cal McVey - 267. Ray Dandridge - 268. Tommy Leach - 269. Vic Willis - 270. Trevor Hoffman
    271. Bernie Williams - 272. Johan Santana - 273. Joe Sewell - 274. Larry Doyle - 275. Thurman Munson
    276. Edd Roush - 277. Willard Brown - 278. Alejandro Oms - 279. Rabbit Maranville - 280. Vern Stephens
    281. Dan Quisenberry - 282. Bob Elliott - 283. Reggie Smith - 284. Joe Kelley - 285. Biz Mackey
    286. Frank Chance - 287. Jim McCormick - 288. George Van Haltren - 289. Red Schoendienst - 290. Tommy Bridges
    291. Luis Aparicio - 292. Hack Wilson - 293. Bobby Bonds - 294. Grant Homerun Johnson - 295. Scott Rolen
    296. Carl Mays - 297. Jose Canseco - 298. Ernie Lombardi - 299. Burleigh Grimes - 300. Gavvy Cravath
    301. Willie Randolph - 302. Steve Garvey - 303. Elston Howard - 304. Cupid Childs - 305. Lip Pike
    306. Addie Joss - 307. Mickey Welch - 308. Billy Pierce - 309. Jimmy Sheckard - 310. Dave Stieb
    311. Tony Lazzeri - 312. Tony Mullane - 313. Urban Shocker - 314. Jake Beckley - 315. Tony Oliva
    316. Tommy John - 317. Quincy Trouppe - 318. Hilton Smith - 319. Tip O'Neill - 320. Lance Parrish
    321. Wilbur Cooper - 322. Don Mattingly - 323. Bret Saberhagen - 324. Kiki Cuyler - 325. Phil Rizzuto
    326. Charlie Keller - 327. Ken Singleton - 328. Juan Gonzalez - 329. Norm Cash - 330. Cannonball Dick Redding
    331. Wally Schang - 332. Sal Bando - 333. Gil Hodges - 334. Nomar Garciaparra - 335. Jimmy Ryan
    336. George Kell - 337. Sam Rice - 338. Luis Tiant - 339. Dick McAuliffe - 340. Ron Guidry
    341. Al Rosen - 342. Rusty Staub - 343. John McGraw - 344. Bucky Walters - 345. Jack Morris
    346. Herman Long - 347. Wally Berger - 348. Charley Jones - 349. Lefty Gomez - 350. Bobby Veach
    351. Jim Bottomley - 352. Heinie Manush - 353. Bob Johnson - 354. Buzz Arlett - 355. Lave Cross
    356. Billy Wagner - 357. Dick Lundy - 358. Leon Day - 359. Jim Creighton - 360. Kent Tekulve
    361. David Cone - 362. Lee Smith - 363. Fielder Jones - 364. Jim Kaat - 365. Al Oliver
    366. Ron Cey - 367. Vada Pinson - 368. Herb Pennock - 369. Jim "Catfish" Hunter - 370. Chief Bender
    371. John Olerud - 372. Rick Reuschel - 373. Buddy Bell - 374. Dave Concepcion - 375. Bill Mazeroski
    376. Fred Lynn
    377. Johnny Evers
    378. Buddy Myer
    379. Del Pratt
    380. Jorge Posada
    381. Tommy Bond
    382. Don Newcombe
    383. Kenny Lofton
    384. Lefty O'Doul
    385. Deacon McGuire
    386. Lon Warneke
    387. Gene Tenace
    388. John Franco
    389. Mickey Vernon
    390. Walker Cooper
    391. Boog Powell
    392. Ray Schalk
    393. Robin Ventura
    394. Fred Dunlap
    395. Rocky Colavito

    One of the best players left. Great run of picks!

    Henrichs turn.

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    1. Babe Ruth - 2. Ty Cobb - 3. Willie Mays - 4. Honus Wagner - 5. Ted Williams
    6. Mickey Mantle - 7. Hank Aaron - 8. Walter Johnson - 9. Barry Bonds - 10. Josh Gibson
    11. Stan Musial - 12. Lou Gehrig - 13. Oscar Charleston - 14. Rogers Hornsby - 15. Lefty Grove
    16. Mike Schmidt - 17. Tris Speaker - 18. Greg Maddux - 19. Eddie Collins - 20. Joe DiMaggio
    21. Roger Clemens - 22. Jimmie Foxx - 23. Cy Young - 24. Frank Robinson - 25. Yogi Berra
    26. Alex Rodriguez - 27. Pete Alexander - 28. Mel Ott - 29. Nap Lajoie - 30. Johnny Bench
    31. Christy Mathewson - 32. Joe Morgan - 33. Cap Anson - 34. Tom Seaver - 35. Satchel Paige
    36. Jackie Robinson - 37. John "Pop" Lloyd - 38. Turkey Stearnes - 39. Dan Brouthers - 40. Rickey Henderson
    41. Warren Spahn - 42. George Brett - 43. Cal Ripken, Jr - 44. Randy Johnson - 45. Eddie Mathews
    46. Steve Carlton - 47. Hank Greenberg - 48. Ed Delahanty - 49. Mike Piazza - 50. Kid Nichols
    51. Arky Vaughan - 52. Ken Griffey Jr. - 53. Al Kaline - 54. Pete Rose - 55. Reggie Jackson
    56. Tony Gwynn - 57. Charlie Gehringer - 58. Bob Feller - 59. Smokey Joe Williams - 60. Carl Yastrzemski
    61. Mickey Cochrane - 62. Wade Boggs - 63. Frankie Frisch - 64. Duke Snider - 65. Sam Crawford
    66. Bob Gibson - 67. Pedro Martinez - 68. Frank Thomas - 69. Robin Yount - 70. Johnny Mize
    71. Roberto Clemente - 72. Craig Biggio - 73. Jeff Bagwell - 74. Carl Hubbell - 75. Nolan Ryan
    76. Buck Leonard - 77. Roy Campanella - 78. Sandy Koufax - 79. Buck Ewing - 80. Harmon Killebrew
    81. Ernie Banks - 82. Eddie Murray - 83. Home Run Baker - 84. Robin Roberts - 85. Martin Dihigo
    86. Willie McCovey - 87. Rod Carew - 88. Eddie Plank - 89. Jim Palmer - 90. Paul Waner
    91. Tim Raines - 92. Chipper Jones - 93. King Kelly - 94. George Wright - 95. Bert Blyleven
    96. Harry Heilmann - 97. Roger Connor - 98. Ivan Rodriguez - 99. Gary Carter - 100. Cristobal Torriente
    101. Carlton Fisk - 102. Billy Hamilton - 103. Gaylord Perry - 104. Ron Santo - 105. Ed Walsh
    106. Al Simmons - 107. Willie Stargell - 108. Roberto Alomar - 109. Jesse Burkett - 110. Mule Suttles
    111. Barry Larkin - 112. Joe Cronin - 113. Mariano Rivera - 114. Phil Niekro - 115. Mark McGwire
    116. Tim Keefe - 117. Alan Trammell - 118. Mordecai Brown - 119. Cool Papa Bell - 120. Ryne Sandberg
    121. Albert Pujols - 122. George Davis - 123. Whitey Ford - 124. Bill Dickey - 125. Joe Jackson
    126. Juan Marichal - 127. Paul Hines - 128. Dazzy Vance - 129. Bullet Joe Rogan - 130. Gabby Hartnett
    131. Jim O'Rourke - 132. Deacon White - 133. Dennis Eckersley - 134. Paul Molitor - 135. Richie Ashburn
    136. John Clarkson - 137. Dick Allen - 138. Pee Wee Reese - 139. Gary Sheffield - 140. Bobby Grich
    141. Willie Wells - 142. Hal Newhouser - 143. Dave Winfield - 144. Rafael Palmeiro - 145. Kirby Puckett
    146. Hoyt Wilhelm - 147. Manny Ramirez - 148. Bill Dahlen - 149. Fergie Jenkins - 150. Tom Glavine
    151. Luke Appling - 152. Don Sutton - 153. Brooks Robinson - 154. Ross Barnes - 155. Joe Medwick
    156. Larry Doby - 157. Louis Santop - 158. Jim Thome - 159. Jud Wilson - 160. Lou Whitaker
    161. Ozzie Smith - 162. Jimmy Collins - 163. Minnie Minoso - 164. Fred Clarke - 165. Sam Thompson
    166. Amos Rusie - 167. Derek Jeter - 168. Joe Start - 169. Joe Gordon - 170. Ted Simmons
    171. Billy Williams - 172. Curt Schilling - 173. John Smoltz - 174. Charley Radbourn - 175. Goose Goslin
    176. Rube Foster - 177. Mike Mussina - 178. Goose Gossage - 179. Vladimir Guerrero - 180. Jeff Kent
    181. Rollie Fingers - 182. Sammy Sosa - 183. Rube Waddell - 184. Red Ruffing - 185. Enos Slaughter
    186. Max Carey - 187. Don Drysdale - 188. Billy Herman - 189. Joe Torre - 190. Stan Coveleski
    191. Fred McGriff - 192. Early Wynn - 193. Edgar Martinez - 194. Sherry Magee - 195. Zack Wheat
    196. Lou Boudreau - 197. Darrell Evans - 198. Orlando Cepeda - 199. Carlos Delgado - 200. Willie Keeler
    201. Ray Brown - 202. Jim Bunning - 203. - Al Spalding - 204. Ted Lyons - 205. Eppa Rixey
    206. Andre Dawson - 207. Pete Hill - 208. - Ralph Kiner - 209. Tony Perez - 210. Bid McPhee
    211. Ezra Sutton - 212. John Beckwith - 213. Heinie Groh - 214. John M. Ward - 215. Wes Ferrell
    216. Ken Boyer - 217. George Sisler - 218. Bill Foster - 219. Elmer Flick - 220. Lou Brock
    221. Bill Freehan - 222. Kevin Brown - 223. Joe McGinnity - 224. Pud Galvin - 225. Harry Stovey
    226. Dwight Evans - 227. Bobby Doerr - 228. Ichiro Suzuki - 229. Dizzy Dean - 230. Dickey Pearce
    231. Red Faber - 232. Keith Hernandez - 233. Will Clark - 234. Bobby Wallace - 235. Charlie Bennett
    236. Roger Bresnahan - 237. Larry Walker - 238. Jim Edmonds - 239. Jose Mendez - 240. Dave Parker
    241. Bill Terry - 242. Stan Hack - 243. Earl Averill - 244. Chuck Klein - 245. Pie Traynor
    246. Monte Irvin - 247. George Gore - 248. Hardy Richardson - 249. Jim Rice - 250. Pete Browning
    251. Jimmy Wynn - 252. Bob Lemon - 253. Jack Glasscock - 254. Graig Nettles - 255. Todd Helton
    256. Nellie Fox - 257. Frank Grant - 258. Bruce Sutter - 259. Clark Griffith - 260. Albert Belle
    261. Dale Murphy - 262. Hugh Duffy - 263. Bob Caruthers - 264. Hughie Jennings - 265. Dobie Moore
    266. Cal McVey - 267. Ray Dandridge - 268. Tommy Leach - 269. Vic Willis - 270. Trevor Hoffman
    271. Bernie Williams - 272. Johan Santana - 273. Joe Sewell - 274. Larry Doyle - 275. Thurman Munson
    276. Edd Roush - 277. Willard Brown - 278. Alejandro Oms - 279. Rabbit Maranville - 280. Vern Stephens
    281. Dan Quisenberry - 282. Bob Elliott - 283. Reggie Smith - 284. Joe Kelley - 285. Biz Mackey
    286. Frank Chance - 287. Jim McCormick - 288. George Van Haltren - 289. Red Schoendienst - 290. Tommy Bridges
    291. Luis Aparicio - 292. Hack Wilson - 293. Bobby Bonds - 294. Grant Homerun Johnson - 295. Scott Rolen
    296. Carl Mays - 297. Jose Canseco - 298. Ernie Lombardi - 299. Burleigh Grimes - 300. Gavvy Cravath
    301. Willie Randolph - 302. Steve Garvey - 303. Elston Howard - 304. Cupid Childs - 305. Lip Pike
    306. Addie Joss - 307. Mickey Welch - 308. Billy Pierce - 309. Jimmy Sheckard - 310. Dave Stieb
    311. Tony Lazzeri - 312. Tony Mullane - 313. Urban Shocker - 314. Jake Beckley - 315. Tony Oliva
    316. Tommy John - 317. Quincy Trouppe - 318. Hilton Smith - 319. Tip O'Neill - 320. Lance Parrish
    321. Wilbur Cooper - 322. Don Mattingly - 323. Bret Saberhagen - 324. Kiki Cuyler - 325. Phil Rizzuto
    326. Charlie Keller - 327. Ken Singleton - 328. Juan Gonzalez - 329. Norm Cash - 330. Cannonball Dick Redding
    331. Wally Schang - 332. Sal Bando - 333. Gil Hodges - 334. Nomar Garciaparra - 335. Jimmy Ryan
    336. George Kell - 337. Sam Rice - 338. Luis Tiant - 339. Dick McAuliffe - 340. Ron Guidry
    341. Al Rosen - 342. Rusty Staub - 343. John McGraw - 344. Bucky Walters - 345. Jack Morris
    346. Herman Long - 347. Wally Berger - 348. Charley Jones - 349. Lefty Gomez - 350. Bobby Veach
    351. Jim Bottomley - 352. Heinie Manush - 353. Bob Johnson - 354. Buzz Arlett - 355. Lave Cross
    356. Billy Wagner - 357. Dick Lundy - 358. Leon Day - 359. Jim Creighton - 360. Kent Tekulve
    361. David Cone - 362. Lee Smith - 363. Fielder Jones - 364. Jim Kaat - 365. Al Oliver
    366. Ron Cey - 367. Vada Pinson - 368. Herb Pennock - 369. Jim "Catfish" Hunter - 370. Chief Bender
    371. John Olerud - 372. Rick Reuschel - 373. Buddy Bell - 374. Dave Concepcion - 375. Bill Mazeroski
    376. Fred Lynn
    377. Johnny Evers
    378. Buddy Myer
    379. Del Pratt
    380. Jorge Posada
    381. Tommy Bond
    382. Don Newcombe
    383. Kenny Lofton
    384. Lefty O'Doul
    385. Deacon McGuire
    386. Lon Warneke
    387. Gene Tenace
    388. John Franco
    389. Mickey Vernon
    390. Walker Cooper
    391. Boog Powell
    392. Ray Schalk
    393. Robin Ventura
    394. Fred Dunlap
    395. Rocky Colavito
    396. Matt Williams

    Happy New Year everyone! Dgarza is up.

  5. #3185
    IMO the last two selections have been excellent choices - both Matt Williams and Rocky Colavito were just coming into the top 10 in my queue.

    Also coming up in my queue after Dave Kingman, Eddie Cicotte and Andres Galarraga are:

    Bobby Mathews
    Jason Giambi
    Joe Carter
    David Ortiz

  6. #3186
    1. Babe Ruth - 2. Ty Cobb - 3. Willie Mays - 4. Honus Wagner - 5. Ted Williams
    6. Mickey Mantle - 7. Hank Aaron - 8. Walter Johnson - 9. Barry Bonds - 10. Josh Gibson
    11. Stan Musial - 12. Lou Gehrig - 13. Oscar Charleston - 14. Rogers Hornsby - 15. Lefty Grove
    16. Mike Schmidt - 17. Tris Speaker - 18. Greg Maddux - 19. Eddie Collins - 20. Joe DiMaggio
    21. Roger Clemens - 22. Jimmie Foxx - 23. Cy Young - 24. Frank Robinson - 25. Yogi Berra
    26. Alex Rodriguez - 27. Pete Alexander - 28. Mel Ott - 29. Nap Lajoie - 30. Johnny Bench
    31. Christy Mathewson - 32. Joe Morgan - 33. Cap Anson - 34. Tom Seaver - 35. Satchel Paige
    36. Jackie Robinson - 37. John "Pop" Lloyd - 38. Turkey Stearnes - 39. Dan Brouthers - 40. Rickey Henderson
    41. Warren Spahn - 42. George Brett - 43. Cal Ripken, Jr - 44. Randy Johnson - 45. Eddie Mathews
    46. Steve Carlton - 47. Hank Greenberg - 48. Ed Delahanty - 49. Mike Piazza - 50. Kid Nichols
    51. Arky Vaughan - 52. Ken Griffey Jr. - 53. Al Kaline - 54. Pete Rose - 55. Reggie Jackson
    56. Tony Gwynn - 57. Charlie Gehringer - 58. Bob Feller - 59. Smokey Joe Williams - 60. Carl Yastrzemski
    61. Mickey Cochrane - 62. Wade Boggs - 63. Frankie Frisch - 64. Duke Snider - 65. Sam Crawford
    66. Bob Gibson - 67. Pedro Martinez - 68. Frank Thomas - 69. Robin Yount - 70. Johnny Mize
    71. Roberto Clemente - 72. Craig Biggio - 73. Jeff Bagwell - 74. Carl Hubbell - 75. Nolan Ryan
    76. Buck Leonard - 77. Roy Campanella - 78. Sandy Koufax - 79. Buck Ewing - 80. Harmon Killebrew
    81. Ernie Banks - 82. Eddie Murray - 83. Home Run Baker - 84. Robin Roberts - 85. Martin Dihigo
    86. Willie McCovey - 87. Rod Carew - 88. Eddie Plank - 89. Jim Palmer - 90. Paul Waner
    91. Tim Raines - 92. Chipper Jones - 93. King Kelly - 94. George Wright - 95. Bert Blyleven
    96. Harry Heilmann - 97. Roger Connor - 98. Ivan Rodriguez - 99. Gary Carter - 100. Cristobal Torriente
    101. Carlton Fisk - 102. Billy Hamilton - 103. Gaylord Perry - 104. Ron Santo - 105. Ed Walsh
    106. Al Simmons - 107. Willie Stargell - 108. Roberto Alomar - 109. Jesse Burkett - 110. Mule Suttles
    111. Barry Larkin - 112. Joe Cronin - 113. Mariano Rivera - 114. Phil Niekro - 115. Mark McGwire
    116. Tim Keefe - 117. Alan Trammell - 118. Mordecai Brown - 119. Cool Papa Bell - 120. Ryne Sandberg
    121. Albert Pujols - 122. George Davis - 123. Whitey Ford - 124. Bill Dickey - 125. Joe Jackson
    126. Juan Marichal - 127. Paul Hines - 128. Dazzy Vance - 129. Bullet Joe Rogan - 130. Gabby Hartnett
    131. Jim O'Rourke - 132. Deacon White - 133. Dennis Eckersley - 134. Paul Molitor - 135. Richie Ashburn
    136. John Clarkson - 137. Dick Allen - 138. Pee Wee Reese - 139. Gary Sheffield - 140. Bobby Grich
    141. Willie Wells - 142. Hal Newhouser - 143. Dave Winfield - 144. Rafael Palmeiro - 145. Kirby Puckett
    146. Hoyt Wilhelm - 147. Manny Ramirez - 148. Bill Dahlen - 149. Fergie Jenkins - 150. Tom Glavine
    151. Luke Appling - 152. Don Sutton - 153. Brooks Robinson - 154. Ross Barnes - 155. Joe Medwick
    156. Larry Doby - 157. Louis Santop - 158. Jim Thome - 159. Jud Wilson - 160. Lou Whitaker
    161. Ozzie Smith - 162. Jimmy Collins - 163. Minnie Minoso - 164. Fred Clarke - 165. Sam Thompson
    166. Amos Rusie - 167. Derek Jeter - 168. Joe Start - 169. Joe Gordon - 170. Ted Simmons
    171. Billy Williams - 172. Curt Schilling - 173. John Smoltz - 174. Charley Radbourn - 175. Goose Goslin
    176. Rube Foster - 177. Mike Mussina - 178. Goose Gossage - 179. Vladimir Guerrero - 180. Jeff Kent
    181. Rollie Fingers - 182. Sammy Sosa - 183. Rube Waddell - 184. Red Ruffing - 185. Enos Slaughter
    186. Max Carey - 187. Don Drysdale - 188. Billy Herman - 189. Joe Torre - 190. Stan Coveleski
    191. Fred McGriff - 192. Early Wynn - 193. Edgar Martinez - 194. Sherry Magee - 195. Zack Wheat
    196. Lou Boudreau - 197. Darrell Evans - 198. Orlando Cepeda - 199. Carlos Delgado - 200. Willie Keeler
    201. Ray Brown - 202. Jim Bunning - 203. - Al Spalding - 204. Ted Lyons - 205. Eppa Rixey
    206. Andre Dawson - 207. Pete Hill - 208. - Ralph Kiner - 209. Tony Perez - 210. Bid McPhee
    211. Ezra Sutton - 212. John Beckwith - 213. Heinie Groh - 214. John M. Ward - 215. Wes Ferrell
    216. Ken Boyer - 217. George Sisler - 218. Bill Foster - 219. Elmer Flick - 220. Lou Brock
    221. Bill Freehan - 222. Kevin Brown - 223. Joe McGinnity - 224. Pud Galvin - 225. Harry Stovey
    226. Dwight Evans - 227. Bobby Doerr - 228. Ichiro Suzuki - 229. Dizzy Dean - 230. Dickey Pearce
    231. Red Faber - 232. Keith Hernandez - 233. Will Clark - 234. Bobby Wallace - 235. Charlie Bennett
    236. Roger Bresnahan - 237. Larry Walker - 238. Jim Edmonds - 239. Jose Mendez - 240. Dave Parker
    241. Bill Terry - 242. Stan Hack - 243. Earl Averill - 244. Chuck Klein - 245. Pie Traynor
    246. Monte Irvin - 247. George Gore - 248. Hardy Richardson - 249. Jim Rice - 250. Pete Browning
    251. Jimmy Wynn - 252. Bob Lemon - 253. Jack Glasscock - 254. Graig Nettles - 255. Todd Helton
    256. Nellie Fox - 257. Frank Grant - 258. Bruce Sutter - 259. Clark Griffith - 260. Albert Belle
    261. Dale Murphy - 262. Hugh Duffy - 263. Bob Caruthers - 264. Hughie Jennings - 265. Dobie Moore
    266. Cal McVey - 267. Ray Dandridge - 268. Tommy Leach - 269. Vic Willis - 270. Trevor Hoffman
    271. Bernie Williams - 272. Johan Santana - 273. Joe Sewell - 274. Larry Doyle - 275. Thurman Munson
    276. Edd Roush - 277. Willard Brown - 278. Alejandro Oms - 279. Rabbit Maranville - 280. Vern Stephens
    281. Dan Quisenberry - 282. Bob Elliott - 283. Reggie Smith - 284. Joe Kelley - 285. Biz Mackey
    286. Frank Chance - 287. Jim McCormick - 288. George Van Haltren - 289. Red Schoendienst - 290. Tommy Bridges
    291. Luis Aparicio - 292. Hack Wilson - 293. Bobby Bonds - 294. Grant Homerun Johnson - 295. Scott Rolen
    296. Carl Mays - 297. Jose Canseco - 298. Ernie Lombardi - 299. Burleigh Grimes - 300. Gavvy Cravath
    301. Willie Randolph - 302. Steve Garvey - 303. Elston Howard - 304. Cupid Childs - 305. Lip Pike
    306. Addie Joss - 307. Mickey Welch - 308. Billy Pierce - 309. Jimmy Sheckard - 310. Dave Stieb
    311. Tony Lazzeri - 312. Tony Mullane - 313. Urban Shocker - 314. Jake Beckley - 315. Tony Oliva
    316. Tommy John - 317. Quincy Trouppe - 318. Hilton Smith - 319. Tip O'Neill - 320. Lance Parrish
    321. Wilbur Cooper - 322. Don Mattingly - 323. Bret Saberhagen - 324. Kiki Cuyler - 325. Phil Rizzuto
    326. Charlie Keller - 327. Ken Singleton - 328. Juan Gonzalez - 329. Norm Cash - 330. Cannonball Dick Redding
    331. Wally Schang - 332. Sal Bando - 333. Gil Hodges - 334. Nomar Garciaparra - 335. Jimmy Ryan
    336. George Kell - 337. Sam Rice - 338. Luis Tiant - 339. Dick McAuliffe - 340. Ron Guidry
    341. Al Rosen - 342. Rusty Staub - 343. John McGraw - 344. Bucky Walters - 345. Jack Morris
    346. Herman Long - 347. Wally Berger - 348. Charley Jones - 349. Lefty Gomez - 350. Bobby Veach
    351. Jim Bottomley - 352. Heinie Manush - 353. Bob Johnson - 354. Buzz Arlett - 355. Lave Cross
    356. Billy Wagner - 357. Dick Lundy - 358. Leon Day - 359. Jim Creighton - 360. Kent Tekulve
    361. David Cone - 362. Lee Smith - 363. Fielder Jones - 364. Jim Kaat - 365. Al Oliver
    366. Ron Cey - 367. Vada Pinson - 368. Herb Pennock - 369. Jim "Catfish" Hunter - 370. Chief Bender
    371. John Olerud - 372. Rick Reuschel - 373. Buddy Bell - 374. Dave Concepcion - 375. Bill Mazeroski
    376. Fred Lynn
    377. Johnny Evers
    378. Buddy Myer
    379. Del Pratt
    380. Jorge Posada
    381. Tommy Bond
    382. Don Newcombe
    383. Kenny Lofton
    384. Lefty O'Doul
    385. Deacon McGuire
    386. Lon Warneke
    387. Gene Tenace
    388. John Franco
    389. Mickey Vernon
    390. Walker Cooper
    391. Boog Powell
    392. Ray Schalk
    393. Robin Ventura
    394. Fred Dunlap
    395. Rocky Colavito
    396. Matt Williams
    397. Jason Giambi

    freakshow on the clock

    Williams was on the nether regions of my "keep" list, but I'll spot him.

  7. #3187
    Quote Originally Posted by John Shoemaker View Post
    IMO the last two selections have been excellent choices - both Matt Williams and Rocky Colavito were just coming into the top 10 in my queue.

    Also coming up in my queue after Dave Kingman, Eddie Cicotte and Andres Galarraga are:

    Bobby Mathews
    Jason Giambi
    Joe Carter
    David Ortiz
    Jason Giambi would have been great but he was just picked. Dave Kingman??? Edie Ciccotte I can go either way on. Andres Galarraga is an okay pick. David Ortiz is okay but early. Joe Carter? I have no idea where to place him. I wasnt even considering him so he is way too eraly.

  8. #3188
    Quote Originally Posted by bambambaseball View Post
    Joe Carter? I have no idea where to place him. I wasnt even considering him so he is way too eraly.
    Carter is about 13-15 LFers off. Carter is a better pick than Kingman, but he need to tackle Chick Hafey before we settle on either Carter or Kingman. That will be a while. Perhaps closer to #500 would be more reasonable.

  9. #3189
    Bobby Mathews didn't even manage to make tier 10 in the top 200 pitchers project. We are not even close to listing 200 pitchers in this project. When we get to around 180 pitchers in this project, I can see him showing up. Before then, I consider him as poor a pick as Dave Kingman and I hope not to see him. He would be the worst pick of this project if he showed up before #500.

  10. #3190
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    1. Babe Ruth - 2. Ty Cobb - 3. Willie Mays - 4. Honus Wagner - 5. Ted Williams
    6. Mickey Mantle - 7. Hank Aaron - 8. Walter Johnson - 9. Barry Bonds - 10. Josh Gibson
    11. Stan Musial - 12. Lou Gehrig - 13. Oscar Charleston - 14. Rogers Hornsby - 15. Lefty Grove
    16. Mike Schmidt - 17. Tris Speaker - 18. Greg Maddux - 19. Eddie Collins - 20. Joe DiMaggio
    21. Roger Clemens - 22. Jimmie Foxx - 23. Cy Young - 24. Frank Robinson - 25. Yogi Berra
    26. Alex Rodriguez - 27. Pete Alexander - 28. Mel Ott - 29. Nap Lajoie - 30. Johnny Bench
    31. Christy Mathewson - 32. Joe Morgan - 33. Cap Anson - 34. Tom Seaver - 35. Satchel Paige
    36. Jackie Robinson - 37. John "Pop" Lloyd - 38. Turkey Stearnes - 39. Dan Brouthers - 40. Rickey Henderson
    41. Warren Spahn - 42. George Brett - 43. Cal Ripken, Jr - 44. Randy Johnson - 45. Eddie Mathews
    46. Steve Carlton - 47. Hank Greenberg - 48. Ed Delahanty - 49. Mike Piazza - 50. Kid Nichols
    51. Arky Vaughan - 52. Ken Griffey Jr. - 53. Al Kaline - 54. Pete Rose - 55. Reggie Jackson
    56. Tony Gwynn - 57. Charlie Gehringer - 58. Bob Feller - 59. Smokey Joe Williams - 60. Carl Yastrzemski
    61. Mickey Cochrane - 62. Wade Boggs - 63. Frankie Frisch - 64. Duke Snider - 65. Sam Crawford
    66. Bob Gibson - 67. Pedro Martinez - 68. Frank Thomas - 69. Robin Yount - 70. Johnny Mize
    71. Roberto Clemente - 72. Craig Biggio - 73. Jeff Bagwell - 74. Carl Hubbell - 75. Nolan Ryan
    76. Buck Leonard - 77. Roy Campanella - 78. Sandy Koufax - 79. Buck Ewing - 80. Harmon Killebrew
    81. Ernie Banks - 82. Eddie Murray - 83. Home Run Baker - 84. Robin Roberts - 85. Martin Dihigo
    86. Willie McCovey - 87. Rod Carew - 88. Eddie Plank - 89. Jim Palmer - 90. Paul Waner
    91. Tim Raines - 92. Chipper Jones - 93. King Kelly - 94. George Wright - 95. Bert Blyleven
    96. Harry Heilmann - 97. Roger Connor - 98. Ivan Rodriguez - 99. Gary Carter - 100. Cristobal Torriente
    101. Carlton Fisk - 102. Billy Hamilton - 103. Gaylord Perry - 104. Ron Santo - 105. Ed Walsh
    106. Al Simmons - 107. Willie Stargell - 108. Roberto Alomar - 109. Jesse Burkett - 110. Mule Suttles
    111. Barry Larkin - 112. Joe Cronin - 113. Mariano Rivera - 114. Phil Niekro - 115. Mark McGwire
    116. Tim Keefe - 117. Alan Trammell - 118. Mordecai Brown - 119. Cool Papa Bell - 120. Ryne Sandberg
    121. Albert Pujols - 122. George Davis - 123. Whitey Ford - 124. Bill Dickey - 125. Joe Jackson
    126. Juan Marichal - 127. Paul Hines - 128. Dazzy Vance - 129. Bullet Joe Rogan - 130. Gabby Hartnett
    131. Jim O'Rourke - 132. Deacon White - 133. Dennis Eckersley - 134. Paul Molitor - 135. Richie Ashburn
    136. John Clarkson - 137. Dick Allen - 138. Pee Wee Reese - 139. Gary Sheffield - 140. Bobby Grich
    141. Willie Wells - 142. Hal Newhouser - 143. Dave Winfield - 144. Rafael Palmeiro - 145. Kirby Puckett
    146. Hoyt Wilhelm - 147. Manny Ramirez - 148. Bill Dahlen - 149. Fergie Jenkins - 150. Tom Glavine
    151. Luke Appling - 152. Don Sutton - 153. Brooks Robinson - 154. Ross Barnes - 155. Joe Medwick
    156. Larry Doby - 157. Louis Santop - 158. Jim Thome - 159. Jud Wilson - 160. Lou Whitaker
    161. Ozzie Smith - 162. Jimmy Collins - 163. Minnie Minoso - 164. Fred Clarke - 165. Sam Thompson
    166. Amos Rusie - 167. Derek Jeter - 168. Joe Start - 169. Joe Gordon - 170. Ted Simmons
    171. Billy Williams - 172. Curt Schilling - 173. John Smoltz - 174. Charley Radbourn - 175. Goose Goslin
    176. Rube Foster - 177. Mike Mussina - 178. Goose Gossage - 179. Vladimir Guerrero - 180. Jeff Kent
    181. Rollie Fingers - 182. Sammy Sosa - 183. Rube Waddell - 184. Red Ruffing - 185. Enos Slaughter
    186. Max Carey - 187. Don Drysdale - 188. Billy Herman - 189. Joe Torre - 190. Stan Coveleski
    191. Fred McGriff - 192. Early Wynn - 193. Edgar Martinez - 194. Sherry Magee - 195. Zack Wheat
    196. Lou Boudreau - 197. Darrell Evans - 198. Orlando Cepeda - 199. Carlos Delgado - 200. Willie Keeler
    201. Ray Brown - 202. Jim Bunning - 203. - Al Spalding - 204. Ted Lyons - 205. Eppa Rixey
    206. Andre Dawson - 207. Pete Hill - 208. - Ralph Kiner - 209. Tony Perez - 210. Bid McPhee
    211. Ezra Sutton - 212. John Beckwith - 213. Heinie Groh - 214. John M. Ward - 215. Wes Ferrell
    216. Ken Boyer - 217. George Sisler - 218. Bill Foster - 219. Elmer Flick - 220. Lou Brock
    221. Bill Freehan - 222. Kevin Brown - 223. Joe McGinnity - 224. Pud Galvin - 225. Harry Stovey
    226. Dwight Evans - 227. Bobby Doerr - 228. Ichiro Suzuki - 229. Dizzy Dean - 230. Dickey Pearce
    231. Red Faber - 232. Keith Hernandez - 233. Will Clark - 234. Bobby Wallace - 235. Charlie Bennett
    236. Roger Bresnahan - 237. Larry Walker - 238. Jim Edmonds - 239. Jose Mendez - 240. Dave Parker
    241. Bill Terry - 242. Stan Hack - 243. Earl Averill - 244. Chuck Klein - 245. Pie Traynor
    246. Monte Irvin - 247. George Gore - 248. Hardy Richardson - 249. Jim Rice - 250. Pete Browning
    251. Jimmy Wynn - 252. Bob Lemon - 253. Jack Glasscock - 254. Graig Nettles - 255. Todd Helton
    256. Nellie Fox - 257. Frank Grant - 258. Bruce Sutter - 259. Clark Griffith - 260. Albert Belle
    261. Dale Murphy - 262. Hugh Duffy - 263. Bob Caruthers - 264. Hughie Jennings - 265. Dobie Moore
    266. Cal McVey - 267. Ray Dandridge - 268. Tommy Leach - 269. Vic Willis - 270. Trevor Hoffman
    271. Bernie Williams - 272. Johan Santana - 273. Joe Sewell - 274. Larry Doyle - 275. Thurman Munson
    276. Edd Roush - 277. Willard Brown - 278. Alejandro Oms - 279. Rabbit Maranville - 280. Vern Stephens
    281. Dan Quisenberry - 282. Bob Elliott - 283. Reggie Smith - 284. Joe Kelley - 285. Biz Mackey
    286. Frank Chance - 287. Jim McCormick - 288. George Van Haltren - 289. Red Schoendienst - 290. Tommy Bridges
    291. Luis Aparicio - 292. Hack Wilson - 293. Bobby Bonds - 294. Grant Homerun Johnson - 295. Scott Rolen
    296. Carl Mays - 297. Jose Canseco - 298. Ernie Lombardi - 299. Burleigh Grimes - 300. Gavvy Cravath
    301. Willie Randolph - 302. Steve Garvey - 303. Elston Howard - 304. Cupid Childs - 305. Lip Pike
    306. Addie Joss - 307. Mickey Welch - 308. Billy Pierce - 309. Jimmy Sheckard - 310. Dave Stieb
    311. Tony Lazzeri - 312. Tony Mullane - 313. Urban Shocker - 314. Jake Beckley - 315. Tony Oliva
    316. Tommy John - 317. Quincy Trouppe - 318. Hilton Smith - 319. Tip O'Neill - 320. Lance Parrish
    321. Wilbur Cooper - 322. Don Mattingly - 323. Bret Saberhagen - 324. Kiki Cuyler - 325. Phil Rizzuto
    326. Charlie Keller - 327. Ken Singleton - 328. Juan Gonzalez - 329. Norm Cash - 330. Cannonball Dick Redding
    331. Wally Schang - 332. Sal Bando - 333. Gil Hodges - 334. Nomar Garciaparra - 335. Jimmy Ryan
    336. George Kell - 337. Sam Rice - 338. Luis Tiant - 339. Dick McAuliffe - 340. Ron Guidry
    341. Al Rosen - 342. Rusty Staub - 343. John McGraw - 344. Bucky Walters - 345. Jack Morris
    346. Herman Long - 347. Wally Berger - 348. Charley Jones - 349. Lefty Gomez - 350. Bobby Veach

    351. Jim Bottomley - 352. Heinie Manush - 353. Bob Johnson - 354. Buzz Arlett - 355. Lave Cross
    356. Billy Wagner - 357. Dick Lundy - 358. Leon Day - 359. Jim Creighton - 360. Kent Tekulve
    361. David Cone - 362. Lee Smith - 363. Fielder Jones - 364. Jim Kaat - 365. Al Oliver
    366. Ron Cey - 367. Vada Pinson - 368. Herb Pennock - 369. Jim "Catfish" Hunter - 370. Chief Bender
    371. John Olerud - 372. Rick Reuschel - 373. Buddy Bell - 374. Dave Concepcion - 375. Bill Mazeroski
    376. Fred Lynn - 377. Johnny Evers - 378. Buddy Myer - 379. Del Pratt - 380. Jorge Posada
    381. Tommy Bond - 382. Don Newcombe - 383. Kenny Lofton - 384. Lefty O'Doul - 385. Deacon McGuire
    386. Lon Warneke
    387. Gene Tenace
    388. John Franco
    389. Mickey Vernon
    390. Walker Cooper
    391. Boog Powell
    392. Ray Schalk
    393. Robin Ventura
    394. Fred Dunlap
    395. Rocky Colavito
    396. Matt Williams
    397. Jason Giambi
    398. Ben Taylor

    We're closing out the top 400 now. The only really bad pick since my last turn is Walker Cooper. Echoing jjpm and dgarza, Mathews is nearly as bad as Kingman; Joe Carter isn't much better.

    After much thought, I went with hall of fame, Negro league first baseman Taylor. Others under serious consideration at this point were Darrell Porter, Frank Howard, Mike Tiernan, Dave Bancroft, Harry Hooper, Dolf Luque, Jack Quinn, Cesar Cedeno, Orel Hershiser, Jose Cruz, George J Burns and Bert Campaneris.

    Erik Bedard is on the clock.
    Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

    Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

  11. #3191
    Of those players you mentioned they are all good choices but I definitily favor Frank Howard.
    Last edited by John Shoemaker; 01-01-2009 at 08:25 AM. Reason: re

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    1. Babe Ruth - 2. Ty Cobb - 3. Willie Mays - 4. Honus Wagner - 5. Ted Williams
    6. Mickey Mantle - 7. Hank Aaron - 8. Walter Johnson - 9. Barry Bonds - 10. Josh Gibson
    11. Stan Musial - 12. Lou Gehrig - 13. Oscar Charleston - 14. Rogers Hornsby - 15. Lefty Grove
    16. Mike Schmidt - 17. Tris Speaker - 18. Greg Maddux - 19. Eddie Collins - 20. Joe DiMaggio
    21. Roger Clemens - 22. Jimmie Foxx - 23. Cy Young - 24. Frank Robinson - 25. Yogi Berra
    26. Alex Rodriguez - 27. Pete Alexander - 28. Mel Ott - 29. Nap Lajoie - 30. Johnny Bench
    31. Christy Mathewson - 32. Joe Morgan - 33. Cap Anson - 34. Tom Seaver - 35. Satchel Paige
    36. Jackie Robinson - 37. John "Pop" Lloyd - 38. Turkey Stearnes - 39. Dan Brouthers - 40. Rickey Henderson
    41. Warren Spahn - 42. George Brett - 43. Cal Ripken, Jr - 44. Randy Johnson - 45. Eddie Mathews
    46. Steve Carlton - 47. Hank Greenberg - 48. Ed Delahanty - 49. Mike Piazza - 50. Kid Nichols
    51. Arky Vaughan - 52. Ken Griffey Jr. - 53. Al Kaline - 54. Pete Rose - 55. Reggie Jackson
    56. Tony Gwynn - 57. Charlie Gehringer - 58. Bob Feller - 59. Smokey Joe Williams - 60. Carl Yastrzemski
    61. Mickey Cochrane - 62. Wade Boggs - 63. Frankie Frisch - 64. Duke Snider - 65. Sam Crawford
    66. Bob Gibson - 67. Pedro Martinez - 68. Frank Thomas - 69. Robin Yount - 70. Johnny Mize
    71. Roberto Clemente - 72. Craig Biggio - 73. Jeff Bagwell - 74. Carl Hubbell - 75. Nolan Ryan
    76. Buck Leonard - 77. Roy Campanella - 78. Sandy Koufax - 79. Buck Ewing - 80. Harmon Killebrew
    81. Ernie Banks - 82. Eddie Murray - 83. Home Run Baker - 84. Robin Roberts - 85. Martin Dihigo
    86. Willie McCovey - 87. Rod Carew - 88. Eddie Plank - 89. Jim Palmer - 90. Paul Waner
    91. Tim Raines - 92. Chipper Jones - 93. King Kelly - 94. George Wright - 95. Bert Blyleven
    96. Harry Heilmann - 97. Roger Connor - 98. Ivan Rodriguez - 99. Gary Carter - 100. Cristobal Torriente
    101. Carlton Fisk - 102. Billy Hamilton - 103. Gaylord Perry - 104. Ron Santo - 105. Ed Walsh
    106. Al Simmons - 107. Willie Stargell - 108. Roberto Alomar - 109. Jesse Burkett - 110. Mule Suttles
    111. Barry Larkin - 112. Joe Cronin - 113. Mariano Rivera - 114. Phil Niekro - 115. Mark McGwire
    116. Tim Keefe - 117. Alan Trammell - 118. Mordecai Brown - 119. Cool Papa Bell - 120. Ryne Sandberg
    121. Albert Pujols - 122. George Davis - 123. Whitey Ford - 124. Bill Dickey - 125. Joe Jackson
    126. Juan Marichal - 127. Paul Hines - 128. Dazzy Vance - 129. Bullet Joe Rogan - 130. Gabby Hartnett
    131. Jim O'Rourke - 132. Deacon White - 133. Dennis Eckersley - 134. Paul Molitor - 135. Richie Ashburn
    136. John Clarkson - 137. Dick Allen - 138. Pee Wee Reese - 139. Gary Sheffield - 140. Bobby Grich
    141. Willie Wells - 142. Hal Newhouser - 143. Dave Winfield - 144. Rafael Palmeiro - 145. Kirby Puckett
    146. Hoyt Wilhelm - 147. Manny Ramirez - 148. Bill Dahlen - 149. Fergie Jenkins - 150. Tom Glavine
    151. Luke Appling - 152. Don Sutton - 153. Brooks Robinson - 154. Ross Barnes - 155. Joe Medwick
    156. Larry Doby - 157. Louis Santop - 158. Jim Thome - 159. Jud Wilson - 160. Lou Whitaker
    161. Ozzie Smith - 162. Jimmy Collins - 163. Minnie Minoso - 164. Fred Clarke - 165. Sam Thompson
    166. Amos Rusie - 167. Derek Jeter - 168. Joe Start - 169. Joe Gordon - 170. Ted Simmons
    171. Billy Williams - 172. Curt Schilling - 173. John Smoltz - 174. Charley Radbourn - 175. Goose Goslin
    176. Rube Foster - 177. Mike Mussina - 178. Goose Gossage - 179. Vladimir Guerrero - 180. Jeff Kent
    181. Rollie Fingers - 182. Sammy Sosa - 183. Rube Waddell - 184. Red Ruffing - 185. Enos Slaughter
    186. Max Carey - 187. Don Drysdale - 188. Billy Herman - 189. Joe Torre - 190. Stan Coveleski
    191. Fred McGriff - 192. Early Wynn - 193. Edgar Martinez - 194. Sherry Magee - 195. Zack Wheat
    196. Lou Boudreau - 197. Darrell Evans - 198. Orlando Cepeda - 199. Carlos Delgado - 200. Willie Keeler
    201. Ray Brown - 202. Jim Bunning - 203. - Al Spalding - 204. Ted Lyons - 205. Eppa Rixey
    206. Andre Dawson - 207. Pete Hill - 208. - Ralph Kiner - 209. Tony Perez - 210. Bid McPhee
    211. Ezra Sutton - 212. John Beckwith - 213. Heinie Groh - 214. John M. Ward - 215. Wes Ferrell
    216. Ken Boyer - 217. George Sisler - 218. Bill Foster - 219. Elmer Flick - 220. Lou Brock
    221. Bill Freehan - 222. Kevin Brown - 223. Joe McGinnity - 224. Pud Galvin - 225. Harry Stovey
    226. Dwight Evans - 227. Bobby Doerr - 228. Ichiro Suzuki - 229. Dizzy Dean - 230. Dickey Pearce
    231. Red Faber - 232. Keith Hernandez - 233. Will Clark - 234. Bobby Wallace - 235. Charlie Bennett
    236. Roger Bresnahan - 237. Larry Walker - 238. Jim Edmonds - 239. Jose Mendez - 240. Dave Parker
    241. Bill Terry - 242. Stan Hack - 243. Earl Averill - 244. Chuck Klein - 245. Pie Traynor
    246. Monte Irvin - 247. George Gore - 248. Hardy Richardson - 249. Jim Rice - 250. Pete Browning
    251. Jimmy Wynn - 252. Bob Lemon - 253. Jack Glasscock - 254. Graig Nettles - 255. Todd Helton
    256. Nellie Fox - 257. Frank Grant - 258. Bruce Sutter - 259. Clark Griffith - 260. Albert Belle
    261. Dale Murphy - 262. Hugh Duffy - 263. Bob Caruthers - 264. Hughie Jennings - 265. Dobie Moore
    266. Cal McVey - 267. Ray Dandridge - 268. Tommy Leach - 269. Vic Willis - 270. Trevor Hoffman
    271. Bernie Williams - 272. Johan Santana - 273. Joe Sewell - 274. Larry Doyle - 275. Thurman Munson
    276. Edd Roush - 277. Willard Brown - 278. Alejandro Oms - 279. Rabbit Maranville - 280. Vern Stephens
    281. Dan Quisenberry - 282. Bob Elliott - 283. Reggie Smith - 284. Joe Kelley - 285. Biz Mackey
    286. Frank Chance - 287. Jim McCormick - 288. George Van Haltren - 289. Red Schoendienst - 290. Tommy Bridges
    291. Luis Aparicio - 292. Hack Wilson - 293. Bobby Bonds - 294. Grant Homerun Johnson - 295. Scott Rolen
    296. Carl Mays - 297. Jose Canseco - 298. Ernie Lombardi - 299. Burleigh Grimes - 300. Gavvy Cravath
    301. Willie Randolph - 302. Steve Garvey - 303. Elston Howard - 304. Cupid Childs - 305. Lip Pike
    306. Addie Joss - 307. Mickey Welch - 308. Billy Pierce - 309. Jimmy Sheckard - 310. Dave Stieb
    311. Tony Lazzeri - 312. Tony Mullane - 313. Urban Shocker - 314. Jake Beckley - 315. Tony Oliva
    316. Tommy John - 317. Quincy Trouppe - 318. Hilton Smith - 319. Tip O'Neill - 320. Lance Parrish
    321. Wilbur Cooper - 322. Don Mattingly - 323. Bret Saberhagen - 324. Kiki Cuyler - 325. Phil Rizzuto
    326. Charlie Keller - 327. Ken Singleton - 328. Juan Gonzalez - 329. Norm Cash - 330. Cannonball Dick Redding
    331. Wally Schang - 332. Sal Bando - 333. Gil Hodges - 334. Nomar Garciaparra - 335. Jimmy Ryan
    336. George Kell - 337. Sam Rice - 338. Luis Tiant - 339. Dick McAuliffe - 340. Ron Guidry
    341. Al Rosen - 342. Rusty Staub - 343. John McGraw - 344. Bucky Walters - 345. Jack Morris
    346. Herman Long - 347. Wally Berger - 348. Charley Jones - 349. Lefty Gomez - 350. Bobby Veach
    351. Jim Bottomley - 352. Heinie Manush - 353. Bob Johnson - 354. Buzz Arlett - 355. Lave Cross
    356. Billy Wagner - 357. Dick Lundy - 358. Leon Day - 359. Jim Creighton - 360. Kent Tekulve
    361. David Cone - 362. Lee Smith - 363. Fielder Jones - 364. Jim Kaat - 365. Al Oliver
    366. Ron Cey - 367. Vada Pinson - 368. Herb Pennock - 369. Jim "Catfish" Hunter - 370. Chief Bender
    371. John Olerud - 372. Rick Reuschel - 373. Buddy Bell - 374. Dave Concepcion - 375. Bill Mazeroski
    376. Fred Lynn - 377. Johnny Evers - 378. Buddy Myer - 379. Del Pratt - 380. Jorge Posada
    381. Tommy Bond - 382. Don Newcombe - 383. Kenny Lofton - 384. Lefty O'Doul - 385. Deacon McGuire
    386. Lon Warneke
    387. Gene Tenace
    388. John Franco
    389. Mickey Vernon
    390. Walker Cooper
    391. Boog Powell
    392. Ray Schalk
    393. Robin Ventura
    394. Fred Dunlap
    395. Rocky Colavito
    396. Matt Williams
    397. Jason Giambi
    398. Ben Taylor
    399. Dolf Luque

    John Shoemaker is now on the clock.

    This will be my last pick in this project.

  13. #3193
    1. Babe Ruth - 2. Ty Cobb - 3. Willie Mays - 4. Honus Wagner - 5. Ted Williams
    6. Mickey Mantle - 7. Hank Aaron - 8. Walter Johnson - 9. Barry Bonds - 10. Josh Gibson
    11. Stan Musial - 12. Lou Gehrig - 13. Oscar Charleston - 14. Rogers Hornsby - 15. Lefty Grove
    16. Mike Schmidt - 17. Tris Speaker - 18. Greg Maddux - 19. Eddie Collins - 20. Joe DiMaggio
    21. Roger Clemens - 22. Jimmie Foxx - 23. Cy Young - 24. Frank Robinson - 25. Yogi Berra
    26. Alex Rodriguez - 27. Pete Alexander - 28. Mel Ott - 29. Nap Lajoie - 30. Johnny Bench
    31. Christy Mathewson - 32. Joe Morgan - 33. Cap Anson - 34. Tom Seaver - 35. Satchel Paige
    36. Jackie Robinson - 37. John "Pop" Lloyd - 38. Turkey Stearnes - 39. Dan Brouthers - 40. Rickey Henderson
    41. Warren Spahn - 42. George Brett - 43. Cal Ripken, Jr - 44. Randy Johnson - 45. Eddie Mathews
    46. Steve Carlton - 47. Hank Greenberg - 48. Ed Delahanty - 49. Mike Piazza - 50. Kid Nichols
    51. Arky Vaughan - 52. Ken Griffey Jr. - 53. Al Kaline - 54. Pete Rose - 55. Reggie Jackson
    56. Tony Gwynn - 57. Charlie Gehringer - 58. Bob Feller - 59. Smokey Joe Williams - 60. Carl Yastrzemski
    61. Mickey Cochrane - 62. Wade Boggs - 63. Frankie Frisch - 64. Duke Snider - 65. Sam Crawford
    66. Bob Gibson - 67. Pedro Martinez - 68. Frank Thomas - 69. Robin Yount - 70. Johnny Mize
    71. Roberto Clemente - 72. Craig Biggio - 73. Jeff Bagwell - 74. Carl Hubbell - 75. Nolan Ryan
    76. Buck Leonard - 77. Roy Campanella - 78. Sandy Koufax - 79. Buck Ewing - 80. Harmon Killebrew
    81. Ernie Banks - 82. Eddie Murray - 83. Home Run Baker - 84. Robin Roberts - 85. Martin Dihigo
    86. Willie McCovey - 87. Rod Carew - 88. Eddie Plank - 89. Jim Palmer - 90. Paul Waner
    91. Tim Raines - 92. Chipper Jones - 93. King Kelly - 94. George Wright - 95. Bert Blyleven
    96. Harry Heilmann - 97. Roger Connor - 98. Ivan Rodriguez - 99. Gary Carter - 100. Cristobal Torriente
    101. Carlton Fisk - 102. Billy Hamilton - 103. Gaylord Perry - 104. Ron Santo - 105. Ed Walsh
    106. Al Simmons - 107. Willie Stargell - 108. Roberto Alomar - 109. Jesse Burkett - 110. Mule Suttles
    111. Barry Larkin - 112. Joe Cronin - 113. Mariano Rivera - 114. Phil Niekro - 115. Mark McGwire
    116. Tim Keefe - 117. Alan Trammell - 118. Mordecai Brown - 119. Cool Papa Bell - 120. Ryne Sandberg
    121. Albert Pujols - 122. George Davis - 123. Whitey Ford - 124. Bill Dickey - 125. Joe Jackson
    126. Juan Marichal - 127. Paul Hines - 128. Dazzy Vance - 129. Bullet Joe Rogan - 130. Gabby Hartnett
    131. Jim O'Rourke - 132. Deacon White - 133. Dennis Eckersley - 134. Paul Molitor - 135. Richie Ashburn
    136. John Clarkson - 137. Dick Allen - 138. Pee Wee Reese - 139. Gary Sheffield - 140. Bobby Grich
    141. Willie Wells - 142. Hal Newhouser - 143. Dave Winfield - 144. Rafael Palmeiro - 145. Kirby Puckett
    146. Hoyt Wilhelm - 147. Manny Ramirez - 148. Bill Dahlen - 149. Fergie Jenkins - 150. Tom Glavine
    151. Luke Appling - 152. Don Sutton - 153. Brooks Robinson - 154. Ross Barnes - 155. Joe Medwick
    156. Larry Doby - 157. Louis Santop - 158. Jim Thome - 159. Jud Wilson - 160. Lou Whitaker
    161. Ozzie Smith - 162. Jimmy Collins - 163. Minnie Minoso - 164. Fred Clarke - 165. Sam Thompson
    166. Amos Rusie - 167. Derek Jeter - 168. Joe Start - 169. Joe Gordon - 170. Ted Simmons
    171. Billy Williams - 172. Curt Schilling - 173. John Smoltz - 174. Charley Radbourn - 175. Goose Goslin
    176. Rube Foster - 177. Mike Mussina - 178. Goose Gossage - 179. Vladimir Guerrero - 180. Jeff Kent
    181. Rollie Fingers - 182. Sammy Sosa - 183. Rube Waddell - 184. Red Ruffing - 185. Enos Slaughter
    186. Max Carey - 187. Don Drysdale - 188. Billy Herman - 189. Joe Torre - 190. Stan Coveleski
    191. Fred McGriff - 192. Early Wynn - 193. Edgar Martinez - 194. Sherry Magee - 195. Zack Wheat
    196. Lou Boudreau - 197. Darrell Evans - 198. Orlando Cepeda - 199. Carlos Delgado - 200. Willie Keeler
    201. Ray Brown - 202. Jim Bunning - 203. - Al Spalding - 204. Ted Lyons - 205. Eppa Rixey
    206. Andre Dawson - 207. Pete Hill - 208. - Ralph Kiner - 209. Tony Perez - 210. Bid McPhee
    211. Ezra Sutton - 212. John Beckwith - 213. Heinie Groh - 214. John M. Ward - 215. Wes Ferrell
    216. Ken Boyer - 217. George Sisler - 218. Bill Foster - 219. Elmer Flick - 220. Lou Brock
    221. Bill Freehan - 222. Kevin Brown - 223. Joe McGinnity - 224. Pud Galvin - 225. Harry Stovey
    226. Dwight Evans - 227. Bobby Doerr - 228. Ichiro Suzuki - 229. Dizzy Dean - 230. Dickey Pearce
    231. Red Faber - 232. Keith Hernandez - 233. Will Clark - 234. Bobby Wallace - 235. Charlie Bennett
    236. Roger Bresnahan - 237. Larry Walker - 238. Jim Edmonds - 239. Jose Mendez - 240. Dave Parker
    241. Bill Terry - 242. Stan Hack - 243. Earl Averill - 244. Chuck Klein - 245. Pie Traynor
    246. Monte Irvin - 247. George Gore - 248. Hardy Richardson - 249. Jim Rice - 250. Pete Browning
    251. Jimmy Wynn - 252. Bob Lemon - 253. Jack Glasscock - 254. Graig Nettles - 255. Todd Helton
    256. Nellie Fox - 257. Frank Grant - 258. Bruce Sutter - 259. Clark Griffith - 260. Albert Belle
    261. Dale Murphy - 262. Hugh Duffy - 263. Bob Caruthers - 264. Hughie Jennings - 265. Dobie Moore
    266. Cal McVey - 267. Ray Dandridge - 268. Tommy Leach - 269. Vic Willis - 270. Trevor Hoffman
    271. Bernie Williams - 272. Johan Santana - 273. Joe Sewell - 274. Larry Doyle - 275. Thurman Munson
    276. Edd Roush - 277. Willard Brown - 278. Alejandro Oms - 279. Rabbit Maranville - 280. Vern Stephens
    281. Dan Quisenberry - 282. Bob Elliott - 283. Reggie Smith - 284. Joe Kelley - 285. Biz Mackey
    286. Frank Chance - 287. Jim McCormick - 288. George Van Haltren - 289. Red Schoendienst - 290. Tommy Bridges
    291. Luis Aparicio - 292. Hack Wilson - 293. Bobby Bonds - 294. Grant Homerun Johnson - 295. Scott Rolen
    296. Carl Mays - 297. Jose Canseco - 298. Ernie Lombardi - 299. Burleigh Grimes - 300. Gavvy Cravath
    301. Willie Randolph - 302. Steve Garvey - 303. Elston Howard - 304. Cupid Childs - 305. Lip Pike
    306. Addie Joss - 307. Mickey Welch - 308. Billy Pierce - 309. Jimmy Sheckard - 310. Dave Stieb
    311. Tony Lazzeri - 312. Tony Mullane - 313. Urban Shocker - 314. Jake Beckley - 315. Tony Oliva
    316. Tommy John - 317. Quincy Trouppe - 318. Hilton Smith - 319. Tip O'Neill - 320. Lance Parrish
    321. Wilbur Cooper - 322. Don Mattingly - 323. Bret Saberhagen - 324. Kiki Cuyler - 325. Phil Rizzuto
    326. Charlie Keller - 327. Ken Singleton - 328. Juan Gonzalez - 329. Norm Cash - 330. Cannonball Dick Redding
    331. Wally Schang - 332. Sal Bando - 333. Gil Hodges - 334. Nomar Garciaparra - 335. Jimmy Ryan
    336. George Kell - 337. Sam Rice - 338. Luis Tiant - 339. Dick McAuliffe - 340. Ron Guidry
    341. Al Rosen - 342. Rusty Staub - 343. John McGraw - 344. Bucky Walters - 345. Jack Morris
    346. Herman Long - 347. Wally Berger - 348. Charley Jones - 349. Lefty Gomez - 350. Bobby Veach
    351. Jim Bottomley - 352. Heinie Manush - 353. Bob Johnson - 354. Buzz Arlett - 355. Lave Cross
    356. Billy Wagner - 357. Dick Lundy - 358. Leon Day - 359. Jim Creighton - 360. Kent Tekulve
    361. David Cone - 362. Lee Smith - 363. Fielder Jones - 364. Jim Kaat - 365. Al Oliver
    366. Ron Cey - 367. Vada Pinson - 368. Herb Pennock - 369. Jim "Catfish" Hunter - 370. Chief Bender
    371. John Olerud - 372. Rick Reuschel - 373. Buddy Bell - 374. Dave Concepcion - 375. Bill Mazeroski
    376. Fred Lynn - 377. Johnny Evers - 378. Buddy Myer - 379. Del Pratt - 380. Jorge Posada
    381. Tommy Bond - 382. Don Newcombe - 383. Kenny Lofton - 384. Lefty O'Doul - 385. Deacon McGuire
    386. Lon Warneke
    387. Gene Tenace
    388. John Franco
    389. Mickey Vernon
    390. Walker Cooper
    391. Boog Powell
    392. Ray Schalk
    393. Robin Ventura
    394. Fred Dunlap
    395. Rocky Colavito
    396. Matt Williams
    397. Jason Giambi
    398. Ben Taylor
    399. Dolf Luque
    400. Andres Galarraga (third time)

    #1 in my queue is Dave Kingman - removed twice

    #2 in my queue is Eddie Cicotte - removed once.

    #3 in my queue is Andres Galarraga - removed twice. I selected him for a third time this round. I think he should be in our top 400 even if it is in the last spot.

    Leecemark is now on the clock.

  14. #3194
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    --Gallaragga is at least in the discussion for next firstbaseman, but we are overloaded with 1B's already. I don't think he belongs in the top 400. Unless he has some supporters step forward in the next few hours he is gone.

  15. #3195
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    --Any suggestions from amoung this group?
    SP: Doc Gooden, Wilbur Wood, Mickey Lolich
    C: Darrell Porter
    1B: pass
    2B: Chuck Knoblauch
    3B: Ed Williamson
    SS: Johnny Pesky
    LF: George Burns
    CF: Cesar Cedeno
    RF: pass

  16. #3196
    If you leave Galarraga, I don't plan on removing him, but if you do remove him, he isn't far enough up my queue to reinstate him, either.

    Mark, if you could pick before midnight tonight, I'd be very grateful. I will be on the road all day tomorrow and don't know when I'll have access to the Internet. I like Porter, Pesky and Williamson the most out of the guys you are looking at.

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    --No problem. I'll allow another hour or two for anybody who wants to comment. Probably going with Pesky as my pick.

  18. #3198
    Quote Originally Posted by leecemark View Post
    Unless he has some supporters step forward in the next few hours he is gone.
    He's in my Top 15 Remaining.

  19. #3199
    Quote Originally Posted by leecemark View Post
    SP: Doc Gooden (barely tolerable), Wilbur Wood (no), Mickey Lolich (barely tolerable)
    C: Darrell Porter (no)
    1B: pass
    2B: Chuck Knoblauch (barely tolerable)
    3B: Ed Williamson (no) [why do you not call him Ned?]
    SS: Johnny Pesky (very good)
    LF: George Burns (best)
    CF: Cesar Cedeno (no)
    RF: pass
    My reaction.

  20. #3200
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    1. Babe Ruth - 2. Ty Cobb - 3. Willie Mays - 4. Honus Wagner - 5. Ted Williams
    6. Mickey Mantle - 7. Hank Aaron - 8. Walter Johnson - 9. Barry Bonds - 10. Josh Gibson
    11. Stan Musial - 12. Lou Gehrig - 13. Oscar Charleston - 14. Rogers Hornsby - 15. Lefty Grove
    16. Mike Schmidt - 17. Tris Speaker - 18. Greg Maddux - 19. Eddie Collins - 20. Joe DiMaggio
    21. Roger Clemens - 22. Jimmie Foxx - 23. Cy Young - 24. Frank Robinson - 25. Yogi Berra
    26. Alex Rodriguez - 27. Pete Alexander - 28. Mel Ott - 29. Nap Lajoie - 30. Johnny Bench
    31. Christy Mathewson - 32. Joe Morgan - 33. Cap Anson - 34. Tom Seaver - 35. Satchel Paige
    36. Jackie Robinson - 37. John "Pop" Lloyd - 38. Turkey Stearnes - 39. Dan Brouthers - 40. Rickey Henderson
    41. Warren Spahn - 42. George Brett - 43. Cal Ripken, Jr - 44. Randy Johnson - 45. Eddie Mathews
    46. Steve Carlton - 47. Hank Greenberg - 48. Ed Delahanty - 49. Mike Piazza - 50. Kid Nichols
    51. Arky Vaughan - 52. Ken Griffey Jr. - 53. Al Kaline - 54. Pete Rose - 55. Reggie Jackson
    56. Tony Gwynn - 57. Charlie Gehringer - 58. Bob Feller - 59. Smokey Joe Williams - 60. Carl Yastrzemski
    61. Mickey Cochrane - 62. Wade Boggs - 63. Frankie Frisch - 64. Duke Snider - 65. Sam Crawford
    66. Bob Gibson - 67. Pedro Martinez - 68. Frank Thomas - 69. Robin Yount - 70. Johnny Mize
    71. Roberto Clemente - 72. Craig Biggio - 73. Jeff Bagwell - 74. Carl Hubbell - 75. Nolan Ryan
    76. Buck Leonard - 77. Roy Campanella - 78. Sandy Koufax - 79. Buck Ewing - 80. Harmon Killebrew
    81. Ernie Banks - 82. Eddie Murray - 83. Home Run Baker - 84. Robin Roberts - 85. Martin Dihigo
    86. Willie McCovey - 87. Rod Carew - 88. Eddie Plank - 89. Jim Palmer - 90. Paul Waner
    91. Tim Raines - 92. Chipper Jones - 93. King Kelly - 94. George Wright - 95. Bert Blyleven
    96. Harry Heilmann - 97. Roger Connor - 98. Ivan Rodriguez - 99. Gary Carter - 100. Cristobal Torriente
    101. Carlton Fisk - 102. Billy Hamilton - 103. Gaylord Perry - 104. Ron Santo - 105. Ed Walsh
    106. Al Simmons - 107. Willie Stargell - 108. Roberto Alomar - 109. Jesse Burkett - 110. Mule Suttles
    111. Barry Larkin - 112. Joe Cronin - 113. Mariano Rivera - 114. Phil Niekro - 115. Mark McGwire
    116. Tim Keefe - 117. Alan Trammell - 118. Mordecai Brown - 119. Cool Papa Bell - 120. Ryne Sandberg
    121. Albert Pujols - 122. George Davis - 123. Whitey Ford - 124. Bill Dickey - 125. Joe Jackson
    126. Juan Marichal - 127. Paul Hines - 128. Dazzy Vance - 129. Bullet Joe Rogan - 130. Gabby Hartnett
    131. Jim O'Rourke - 132. Deacon White - 133. Dennis Eckersley - 134. Paul Molitor - 135. Richie Ashburn
    136. John Clarkson - 137. Dick Allen - 138. Pee Wee Reese - 139. Gary Sheffield - 140. Bobby Grich
    141. Willie Wells - 142. Hal Newhouser - 143. Dave Winfield - 144. Rafael Palmeiro - 145. Kirby Puckett
    146. Hoyt Wilhelm - 147. Manny Ramirez - 148. Bill Dahlen - 149. Fergie Jenkins - 150. Tom Glavine
    151. Luke Appling - 152. Don Sutton - 153. Brooks Robinson - 154. Ross Barnes - 155. Joe Medwick
    156. Larry Doby - 157. Louis Santop - 158. Jim Thome - 159. Jud Wilson - 160. Lou Whitaker
    161. Ozzie Smith - 162. Jimmy Collins - 163. Minnie Minoso - 164. Fred Clarke - 165. Sam Thompson
    166. Amos Rusie - 167. Derek Jeter - 168. Joe Start - 169. Joe Gordon - 170. Ted Simmons
    171. Billy Williams - 172. Curt Schilling - 173. John Smoltz - 174. Charley Radbourn - 175. Goose Goslin
    176. Rube Foster - 177. Mike Mussina - 178. Goose Gossage - 179. Vladimir Guerrero - 180. Jeff Kent
    181. Rollie Fingers - 182. Sammy Sosa - 183. Rube Waddell - 184. Red Ruffing - 185. Enos Slaughter
    186. Max Carey - 187. Don Drysdale - 188. Billy Herman - 189. Joe Torre - 190. Stan Coveleski
    191. Fred McGriff - 192. Early Wynn - 193. Edgar Martinez - 194. Sherry Magee - 195. Zack Wheat
    196. Lou Boudreau - 197. Darrell Evans - 198. Orlando Cepeda - 199. Carlos Delgado - 200. Willie Keeler
    201. Ray Brown - 202. Jim Bunning - 203. - Al Spalding - 204. Ted Lyons - 205. Eppa Rixey
    206. Andre Dawson - 207. Pete Hill - 208. - Ralph Kiner - 209. Tony Perez - 210. Bid McPhee
    211. Ezra Sutton - 212. John Beckwith - 213. Heinie Groh - 214. John M. Ward - 215. Wes Ferrell
    216. Ken Boyer - 217. George Sisler - 218. Bill Foster - 219. Elmer Flick - 220. Lou Brock
    221. Bill Freehan - 222. Kevin Brown - 223. Joe McGinnity - 224. Pud Galvin - 225. Harry Stovey
    226. Dwight Evans - 227. Bobby Doerr - 228. Ichiro Suzuki - 229. Dizzy Dean - 230. Dickey Pearce
    231. Red Faber - 232. Keith Hernandez - 233. Will Clark - 234. Bobby Wallace - 235. Charlie Bennett
    236. Roger Bresnahan - 237. Larry Walker - 238. Jim Edmonds - 239. Jose Mendez - 240. Dave Parker
    241. Bill Terry - 242. Stan Hack - 243. Earl Averill - 244. Chuck Klein - 245. Pie Traynor
    246. Monte Irvin - 247. George Gore - 248. Hardy Richardson - 249. Jim Rice - 250. Pete Browning
    251. Jimmy Wynn - 252. Bob Lemon - 253. Jack Glasscock - 254. Graig Nettles - 255. Todd Helton
    256. Nellie Fox - 257. Frank Grant - 258. Bruce Sutter - 259. Clark Griffith - 260. Albert Belle
    261. Dale Murphy - 262. Hugh Duffy - 263. Bob Caruthers - 264. Hughie Jennings - 265. Dobie Moore
    266. Cal McVey - 267. Ray Dandridge - 268. Tommy Leach - 269. Vic Willis - 270. Trevor Hoffman
    271. Bernie Williams - 272. Johan Santana - 273. Joe Sewell - 274. Larry Doyle - 275. Thurman Munson
    276. Edd Roush - 277. Willard Brown - 278. Alejandro Oms - 279. Rabbit Maranville - 280. Vern Stephens
    281. Dan Quisenberry - 282. Bob Elliott - 283. Reggie Smith - 284. Joe Kelley - 285. Biz Mackey
    286. Frank Chance - 287. Jim McCormick - 288. George Van Haltren - 289. Red Schoendienst - 290. Tommy Bridges
    291. Luis Aparicio - 292. Hack Wilson - 293. Bobby Bonds - 294. Grant Homerun Johnson - 295. Scott Rolen
    296. Carl Mays - 297. Jose Canseco - 298. Ernie Lombardi - 299. Burleigh Grimes - 300. Gavvy Cravath
    301. Willie Randolph - 302. Steve Garvey - 303. Elston Howard - 304. Cupid Childs - 305. Lip Pike
    306. Addie Joss - 307. Mickey Welch - 308. Billy Pierce - 309. Jimmy Sheckard - 310. Dave Stieb
    311. Tony Lazzeri - 312. Tony Mullane - 313. Urban Shocker - 314. Jake Beckley - 315. Tony Oliva
    316. Tommy John - 317. Quincy Trouppe - 318. Hilton Smith - 319. Tip O'Neill - 320. Lance Parrish
    321. Wilbur Cooper - 322. Don Mattingly - 323. Bret Saberhagen - 324. Kiki Cuyler - 325. Phil Rizzuto
    326. Charlie Keller - 327. Ken Singleton - 328. Juan Gonzalez - 329. Norm Cash - 330. Cannonball Dick Redding
    331. Wally Schang - 332. Sal Bando - 333. Gil Hodges - 334. Nomar Garciaparra - 335. Jimmy Ryan
    336. George Kell - 337. Sam Rice - 338. Luis Tiant - 339. Dick McAuliffe - 340. Ron Guidry
    341. Al Rosen - 342. Rusty Staub - 343. John McGraw - 344. Bucky Walters - 345. Jack Morris
    346. Herman Long - 347. Wally Berger - 348. Charley Jones - 349. Lefty Gomez - 350. Bobby Veach
    351. Jim Bottomley - 352. Heinie Manush - 353. Bob Johnson - 354. Buzz Arlett - 355. Lave Cross
    356. Billy Wagner - 357. Dick Lundy - 358. Leon Day - 359. Jim Creighton - 360. Kent Tekulve
    361. David Cone - 362. Lee Smith - 363. Fielder Jones - 364. Jim Kaat - 365. Al Oliver
    366. Ron Cey - 367. Vada Pinson - 368. Herb Pennock - 369. Jim "Catfish" Hunter - 370. Chief Bender
    371. John Olerud - 372. Rick Reuschel - 373. Buddy Bell - 374. Dave Concepcion - 375. Bill Mazeroski
    376. Fred Lynn - 377. Johnny Evers - 378. Buddy Myer - 379. Del Pratt - 380. Jorge Posada
    381. Tommy Bond - 382. Don Newcombe - 383. Kenny Lofton - 384. Lefty O'Doul - 385. Deacon McGuire
    386. Lon Warneke
    387. Gene Tenace
    388. John Franco
    389. Mickey Vernon
    390. Walker Cooper
    391. Boog Powell
    392. Ray Schalk
    393. Robin Ventura
    394. Fred Dunlap
    395. Rocky Colavito
    396. Matt Williams
    397. Jason Giambi
    398. Ben Taylor
    399. Dolf Luque
    Andres Galarraga (removed third time)
    400. Johnny Pesky

    --Blueblood is on the clock

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