The BBF HOF Forum Collaboration Game – Game On!

[Freakshow]

Hank Aaron is definitely not the sixth best player ever. He was consistent, but not the sixth greatest player ever. I will probably remove him on my turn if windy city fan doesn't.

I would probably go with Ted Williams, considering war credit. However, if you're interested in total value, Aaron's not a bad choice. I think he gets high marks for character, as well as having had some impact on the game off the field, I would leave him, he's top 10 easily. But that's just me.

[John Shoemaker]

I had a tough time deciding between Barry Bonds and Hank Aaron when I made my choice for number 5. I went with Barry as the number 5 player but I'm glad leecemark picked Hank at number 6. If it were me I would leave him at number 6.

[Paul Wendt]

At this point I probably wouldn't undo Cy Young, Walter Johnson, or Roger Clemens.

Matty, Lou Gehrig, or Tom Seaver would set me grumbling about New York.

[jjpm74]

Windy city fan's been on the clock for 20 hours. To expedite this in the early rounds, why don't we go to a 6 hour clock and if the person doesn't post within that time frame they lose their turn. I personally don't care if I end up being skipped due to a shorter clock and would rather see this move along at least in the early rounds. The 24 hour clock has the potential to make this project really drag, IMO.

[Freakshow]

Windy city fan's been on the clock for 20 hours. To expedite this in the early rounds, why don't we go to a 6 hour clock and if the person doesn't post within that time frame they lose their turn. I personally don't care if I end up being skipped due to a shorter clock and would rather see this move along at least in the early rounds. The 24 hour clock has the potential to make this project really drag, IMO.

I can see where it's tougher for some on weekends. That being said, WCF signed up for the project, so one would hope he's keeping tabs.

I suggested earlier that the person after him, Yankeefan94, should send WCF a message in the waning hours of his clock; hopefully he's done that and has his turn all ready to go.

Remember, after Yankeefan94's turn we'll go the the hour delay between turns, unless there is general disagreement with that among the electorate. I'm pretty flexible and will try to conduct the Game in a way that's agreeable to the majority of Gamers.

Finally, I prefer this Game to proceed at a liesurely pace. If that means I'm getting only two or three turns in a week for myself, it doesn't bother me. Again, this Game could continue for years. We have, what, 18,000 players we could rank between MLB and Negro leagues?

[Yankeefan94]

I sent a message to Windy City Fan and told him to post by 6 pm EST.

[Yankeefan94]

P.S
Maybe we should shorten the required between posts, andthe amount of clock time a person gets, but allow more unexcused absences.

[Freakshow]

P.S
Maybe we should shorten the required between posts, andthe amount of clock time a person gets, but allow more unexcused absences.

We could do that. How about:

Shorten post delay from one hour to a half an hour?
Shorten clock maximum from 24 to 18 hours?
Increase unexcused absences from two to four?

What say others?

[jjpm74]

Leisurely is fine as long as we don't end up going 3-4 days without a pick like we did on several occasions with the SOC draft.

[dgarza]

Shorten post delay from one hour to a half an hour?

Either way is fine.

Shorten clock maximum from 24 to 18 hours?

24 hours is easier to remember and keep track of. Plus it allows for all our different schedules. 18 hours is too odd of a time span. If this is meant to be ran rather leisurely, let's keep the time element simple and leisurely as well.

Increase unexcused absences from two to four?

I don't think we have to change this either. But it's not much of an issue either way.

[dgarza]

Leisurely is fine as long as we don't end up going 3-4 days without a pick like we did on several occasions with the SOC draft.

The rules would not allow it to run that leisurely. The longest we should have without a pick is just over 24 hours.

[jjpm74]

The rules would not allow it to run that leisurely. The longest we should have without a pick is just over 24 hours.

We had the same rules in place in the SOC draft. Some people kept forgetting to remind others when it was their turn then the next person would be reluctant to go in place of the person who missed their turn and it started getting messy.

[Yankeefan94]

Should we skip Windy City Fan?? I guess so, so I'll go.

Originally posted by leecemark
1. Babe Ruth
2. Ty Cobb
3. Willie Mays
4. Honus Wagner
5. Barry Bonds
6. Hank Aaron

1. Babe Ruth
2. Ty Cobb
3. Willie Mays
4. Honus Wagner
5. Barry Bonds
6. Ted Williams (Sorry, I had to remove Hank Aaron, 1st time.)

Blueblood is now on the clock

[dgarza]

6. Ted Williams (Sorry, I had to remove Hank Aaron, 1st time.)

Gotta agree with this move. After all, I have Williams at #3.

[Freakshow]

We had the same rules in place in the SOC draft. Some people kept forgetting to remind others when it was their turn then the next person would be reluctant to go in place of the person who missed their turn and it started getting messy.

Not quite the same rules. In the SOC draft we didn't want people to totally miss a pick, as their team would be kinda screwed, so everyone felt they had to slow down until the missing guy picked. We even had picks done by proxy.

Here, we don't care, you miss a turn, it's gone, we move on, no harm done.

[BlueBlood]

1. Babe Ruth
2. Ty Cobb
3. Willie Mays
4. Honus Wagner
5. Ted Williams
6. Josh Gibson - Removed Barry Bonds, first time.

Classic is now on the clock.

[Freakshow]

Just to note, I wrote this in the first post:

A brief justification for your player is a good thing to include

Maybe also include who else you considered listing. Not required, of course.

Gibson strikes me as a rather curious selection this early. Any clue as to why?

[Yankeefan94]

It looks like we will probably get 4 or 5 players in per round the rate we're going

[jjpm74]

Gibson over Charleston? Bonds, Aaron, W. Johnson have stronger cases for the top 10 than Gibson.

[leecemark]

--Six does seem high for Gibson. I do have him over Charleston for best Negro Leaguer and would have no problem with him stickign in the top 10 though. Maybe the best hitter in the history of the Negro Leagues and at least a solid defensive catcher. Thats a pretty impressive candidate.

[BlueBlood]

I have Gibson best at catcher and in the top ten. Part of me think he edges out Mantle, Gehrig, and a few others. Part of me also wanted to go with Walter Johnson or Hank Aaron although I didn't want to do the latter because it had already been done...

I can't in good conscience not knock down Bonds. Sorry. If it had been Aaron, Mantle, Johnson, etc. I'd have kept it the same.

[Freakshow]

I have Gibson best at catcher and in the top ten. Part of me think he edges out Mantle, Gehrig, and a few others. Part of me also wanted to go with Walter Johnson or Hank Aaron although I didn't want to do the latter because it had already been done...

I can't in good conscience not knock down Bonds. Sorry. If it had been Aaron, Mantle, Johnson, etc. I'd have kept it the same.

OK, but I think you also need to consider whether your choice is likely to fly in the face of the consensus. We all have our idiosyncratic favorites, but this Game isn't really the place to try and wedge them in - it's designed to reject unusual placements.

[jjpm74]

Bill Burgess's best player project just elected Gibson as 16th best. While I don;t think he's necessarily that low, I don't think he's top 10.

[dgarza]

1. Babe Ruth
2. Ty Cobb
3. Willie Mays
4. Honus Wagner
5. Ted Williams
6. Josh Gibson - Removed Barry Bonds, first time.

Classic is now on the clock.

Classic's time is up.

1. Babe Ruth
2. Ty Cobb
3. Willie Mays
4. Honus Wagner
5. Ted Williams
6. Rogers Hornsby - (removed Josh Gibson - 1st time)

I can't rank Josh that high.

Erik Bedard is on the clock.

[BlueBlood]

So, Gibson, whom a lot of us consider to be the best catcher was replaced with a guy that about half of us (including myself) consider to be the best 2B.

Hornsby has way less of a top ten case if you ask me. I'd prepare for another removal...