CKL All Decade Team (1960s)

**leecemark** · 09-04-2008, 08:12 PM

Player of the Decade: Willie Mays
Pitcher of the Decade: Sandy Koufax

First Team
C: Bill Freehan
1B: Willie McCovey
2B: Dick McAuliffe
3B: Harmon Killebrew
SS: Maury Wills
LF: Frank Robinson
CF: Willie Mays
RF: Hank Aaron
SP: Sandy Koufax
SP: Jim Bunning
SP: Juan Marichal
SP: Camilio Pascaul
RP: Don McMahan

Second Team
C: Elston Howard
1B: Norm Cash
2B: Pete Rose
3B: Ron Santo
SS: Jim Fregosi
LF: Carl Yastrzemski
CF: Mickey Mantle
RF: Tony Oliva
SP: Dean Chance
SP: Gary Peters
SP: Fergie Jenkins
SP: Joe Horlen
RP: Stu Miller

Third Team
C: Joe Torre
1B: Jim Gentile
2B: Junior Gilliam
3B: Dick Allen
SS: Rico Petrocelli
LF: Billy Williams
CF: Jimmy Wynn
RF: Roberto Clemente
SP: Luis Tiant
SP: Bob Gibson
SP: Sam McDowell
SP: Don Drysdale
RP: Hoyt Wilhelm

40th man: Orlando Cepeda

**J W** · 09-05-2008, 07:42 AM

Thanks Mark!

This decade concluded in similar fashion to MLB, except that some names were changed:

HOME RUN RECORD BROKEN

Instead of Roger Maris, the single-season HR record was broken in 1961 by Jim Gentile, who belted 77 of them over the Tiger Stadium wall. Incidentally, Roger Maris played the role of Mickey Mantle (76 HR).

SHOOTING FOR JOE DIMAGGIO

In 1963, Carl Yastrzemski of the JW Skipjacks completed a 46-game hitting streak, second longest is baseball history behind Joe DiMaggio's 56 game streak set 22 years earler. In real life, it would not be until 1978 that DiMaggio's streak became threatened (Pete Rose, 44 games).

SHOOTING FOR TED WILLIAMS

In 1966, Matty Alou of the PAP Redbirds came very close to hitting .400, finishing with a .392 average. Nobody in MLB through the 60s came close to this mark (.361 by Norm Cash in 1961). Rico Cary hit .366 for MLB in 1970; does he have a shot at .400?

TRIPLE CROWNS

We had two Batting Triple Crowns in MLB in the 1960s: Frank Robinson in 1966, and Carl Yastrzemski in 1967. For the DMCKL, this distinction was handed to Orlando Cepeda in 1963 (again for the PAP Redbirds).

We had three pitching Triple Crowns in MLB, all by Sandy Koufax (1963, 1965, 1966). Only once did a DMCKL pitcher achieve that mark: Luis Tiant in 1968 for the Legends. Koufax came close several times but couldn't nail down all three stats.

PERFECT GAMES

On June 22, 1965, Knights pitcher Sonny Siebert tossed nine perfect innings against the PAP Redbirds (this team is showing up a lot isn't it?)... the final score, 6-0. It was the first perfect game since Don Larsen's historic World Series performance in 1956. Do you know who caught this game Mark?

Catfish Hunter pitched a perfect game in real life in 1968.

I'll fill this in as we go along...

**J W** · 09-05-2008, 08:01 AM

Comparing MLB to DMCKL through the 1961-1969, we see there were way less no-hitters accomplished (31 to 7)... no surprise considering we use modern-day reliever usages:

MLB

(1961) Warren Spahn
(1962) Sandy Koufax, Bo Belinsky, Earl Wilson, Bill Monbouquette, Jack Kralick
(1963) Sandy Koufax, Don Nottebart, Juan Marichal
(1964) Ken Johnson, Sandy Koufax, Jim Bunning
(1965) Jim Maloney, Sandy Koufax, Dave Morehead
(1966) Sonny Siebert
(1967) Steve Barber / Stu Miller, Don Wilson, Dean Chance, Joe Horlen
(1968) Tom Phoebus, Catfish Hunter *, George Culver, Gaylord Perry, Ray Washburn
(1969) Bill Stoneman, Jim Maloney, Don Wilson, Jim Palmer, Ken Holtzman, Bob Moose

DMCKL

(1961) Ted Bowsfield - Legends
(1963) Larry Jackson - Gamblers
(1965) Sonny Siebert - Knights *
(1965) Juan Marichal - Pirates
(1966) Sonny Siebert - Knights
(1967) Pete Richert - Skipjacks
(1968) Bill Hands - Legends
(1969) TBD

* Denotes Perfect Game

**J W** · 09-05-2008, 08:10 AM

BATTING SCORES: 1961-1969

The scores noted use the same formula as Bill James' MLB Gray Ink forumula with the exception that OBP has replaced games played garnering one point. Scores are for leading/top ten in the entire league. A total of 157 batters qualified with at least one Gray Ink point.

Black Ink
A total of 45 players earned at least one Black Ink point. Players are ordered by Gray Ink score second:

26 - Aaron H
25 - Mays W
25 - Killebrew H
18 - Cepeda O
13 - Gentile J
13 - Alou M
13 - Morgan J
11 - Mantle M
11 - Yastrzemski C
9 - Brock L

8 - Pinson V
8 - Wynn J
8 - Wills M
8 - Callison J
7 - McCovey W
7 - Clemente R
6 - Robinson F
6 - Oliva T
5 - Williams B
5 - Rose P

4 - Cash N
4 - Wagner L
4 - Alou F
4 - Davis W
4 - Aparicio L
4 - Jackson R
4 - Carty R
3 - Allison B
3 - Davis T
3 - Fregosi J

2 - Mathews E
2 - Campaneris B
2 - Kaline A
2 - Siebern N
2 - Versalles Z
2 - Bressoud E
2 - Johnson D
1 - Santo R
1 - Flood C
1 - McAuliffe D

1 - Altman G
1 - Green L
1 - Tresh T
1 - Hisle L
1 - Amaro R

Gray Ink
Players scoring 10 or more Gray Ink points are listed. There are 67 total.

152 - Aaron H
138 - Mays W
109 - Robinson F
92 - McCovey W
86 - Mantle M
84 - Killebrew H
83 - Allen R
80 - Williams B
78 - Oliva T
76 - Yastrzemski C

65 - Cash N
53 - Pinson V
51 - Cepeda O
51 - Wynn J
49 - Allison B
46 - Clemente R
46 - Wills M
40 - Santo R
38 - Callison J
37 - Mathews E

36 - Brock L
36 - Torre J
35 - Wagner L
34 - Gentile J
33 - Alou M
33 - Stargell W
29 - Howard F
29 - Rose P
28 - Davis T
27 - Maris R

27 - Morgan J
24 - Flood C
23 - Boyer K
21 - Campaneris B
21 - Colavito R
19 - Alou F
19 - Fregosi J
19 - Powell B
18 - Fairly R
17 - Davis W

17 - Kaline A
17 - McAuliffe D
17 - Perez T
16 - Aparicio L
16 - Hart JR
16 - Howser D
16 - Jackson R
16 - Robinson B
15 - Altman G
15 - Siebern N

15 - White B
14 - Green L
14 - Horton W
14 - Versalles Z
13 - Carty R
13 - Groat D
13 - Staub R
12 - Northrup J
12 - Tovar C
12 - Tresh T

11 - Hall J
11 - Petrocelli R
11 - Smith R
11 - Ward P
10 - Freehan B
10 - Jones C
10 - Stuart D

**jaybird_1981** · 09-05-2008, 08:36 AM

Since I wasn't involved in this decade I will abstain from voting.

**leecemark** · 09-05-2008, 08:42 AM

--That is fine if you don't want to. You definately are welcome to participate though. It would be a great way to get caught up on the history of the league.

**leecemark** · 09-05-2008, 08:08 AM

--These are all the players meeting the criteria above, plus a few other noteables. If you think a reasonable candidate has been overlooked just point them out and I'll add them to the ballot once the position threads go up. Pitcher will be in a separate post, which I also get up today.

C: Joe Torre, Elston Howard, Tom Haller, Bill Freehan, Johnny Roseboro and.....Clay Dalrymple??? (#5 in games caught!)
1B: Willie McCovey, Jim Gentile, Orlando Cepeda, Norm Cash, Bill White, Norm Seiburn. Mickey Mantle made 2 All Star teams at 1B, but 3 in CF and played significantly more there. Harmon Killebrew made 3 of his 5 All Star appearances at 3B (1 each at 1B and LF) and played more there than here.
2B: Joe Morgan (didn't technically qualify, but better than most who did), Pete Rose, Dick McAuliffe, Junior Gilliam, Julian Javier, Jerry Lumpe Bill Mazeroski, Tony Taylor and Bobby Richardson.
SS; Maury Wills, Bert Campaneris, Luis Aparicio, Jim Fregosi, Zolio Versalles, Ron Hansen and Rico Petrocelli.
3B: Harmon Killebrew, Dick Allen, Eddie Mthews, Ken Boyer, Ron Santo, and Brooks Robinson.
CF; Willie Mays, Curt Flood, Vada PInson, Jim Wynn, Al Kaline, Micky Mantle, and Matty Alou.
LF: Carl Yastrzemski, Frank Robinson, Billy Williams, Lou Brock, Tom Tresh and Leon Wagner. Both Robinson and Williams split time this decade fairly evenly between LF and RF. Robinson more in LF and having a better shot at the first team there. Williams slightly more in RF, but having his best shot in LF.
RF: Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Tony Oliva, Johnny Callison, Rusty Staub, Bob Allison and Frank Howard.

**catcher24** · 09-08-2008, 06:44 PM

Some of these were pretty easy since they've been with me from the start. The rest are those who have performed the best at that position.
C: Bill Freehan - Has played every game of his career as a Legend.
1B: Willie McCovey - Ditto Edges out Ron Santo for Player of the Decade
2B: Joe Morgan
3B: Ron Santo - Same as Freehan and McCovey
SS: Gene Alley - I haven't had too many good shortstops. He only played two years for the Legends but is still the best we've had.
LF: Rusty Staub - Not truly a left fielder, but one of the three best OFers I've had.
CF: Rick Monday - Edges out Reggie Smith. Not as many PAs but much better production.
RF: Hank Aaron - Only was with me in 68 & 69, but had two huge seasons and led the team to it's two championships.

SP: Fergie Jenkins - Pitcher of the Decade
SP: Luis Tiant - Had two great seasons, including a pitcher's triple crown
SP: Tom Seaver
SP: Bill Monbouquette
RP: Bob Locker
RP: Ted Abernathy - Also a Legend since the beginning

**-Kyle-** · 09-09-2008, 01:37 PM

Thanks a bunch Lew, I will probably take Mike Cuellar off the list then.

C: Elston Howard (61-64)
1B: Moose Skorown (61-65) or Mickey Mantle 65-67
2B: Cookie Rojas (64-67)
3B: Harmon Killebrew (61-69)
SS: Rico Petrocelli (65-69)
LF: Rico Carty (64-69)
CF: Curt Flooyd (61-67)
RF: Wes Covington (65-66)

SP1: Jim Kaat (61-69)
SP2: Gaylord Perry (64-67)
SP3: Mel Stottlemyre (64-69)
SP4: Larry Jackson (61-68)

RP: Moe Drawbosky (63-68)
RP: Ken Tatum (69)

**leecemark** · 09-11-2008, 05:22 AM

--Half way through the voting and about half the owners weighing in. Please share your opinion before the polls close. Thanks.

**J W** · 09-11-2008, 07:21 AM

Sorry for the delay guys...

Batting Ink scores are up on the first page. Yes Lew, they were done with James in mind. It took a while.

Anyways, here are the top scores for those too lazy to check back:

Black Ink

26 - Aaron H
25 - Mays W
25 - Killebrew H
18 - Cepeda O
13 - Gentile J
13 - Alou M
13 - Morgan J
11 - Mantle M
11 - Yastrzemski C
9 - Brock L

Gray Ink

152 - Aaron H
138 - Mays W
109 - Robinson F
92 - McCovey W
86 - Mantle M
84 - Killebrew H
83 - Allen R
80 - Williams B
78 - Oliva T
76 - Yastrzemski C