You mean to say that the construction workers aren't bring lunch bags for the neigbors???Originally Posted by Paul W
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You mean to say that the construction workers aren't bring lunch bags for the neigbors???
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it means that the $2B+ is for loria's & samson's benefit and everyone else will have to pay for it...
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Wait - what? You're saying that the Marlins owners are supposed to be the ones building the restaurants, shops and bars? Not developers? Name me one other ballpark where the team owns every restaurant, bar and shop around its ballpark. Not only that, this thing isn't going to oppen 'til 2012, right? So, if I'm a developer, why would I open (or even start building) a restaurant, bar or shop for someplace that won't open for almost two years? Heck, the way these things go up these days (shops/restaurants/bars - not ballparks), they could start construction in the fall of 2011 or later and be ready for opening day...
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New York Yankees. They fired Aramark and started their own concessions company in a joint venture with the Dallas Cowboys. 100.00% of all food & merchandise revenue inside Yankee Stadium goes to the Yankees. Yankees also own NYY Steak, the Audi Club, Legends Club, Delta Club, Champions Club, and the only restaurant not owned by them is outside the gates, the Hard Rock Cafe, but the Yankees are free not to renew their contract at any time
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And I said around the ballpark. I think it's understood that teams control what is sold inside. The quoted article is about the promised development outside the park. As in, will TGI Friday's build a restaurant across the street? How about a sports bar next to Friday's for before and after game crowds? What about a Cosco for people that forgot to buy bottled water?
And again, I ask, why is it the teams' responsibility to build/develop those restaurants/bars/shops? And let's say I were to develop one of them myself - what's my motive to start construction today, 21 months before the ballpark is scheduled to open?
Let's put it this way. I live in a town that is building an "event and convention center" - in other words a 4500 seat hockey rink with a 10,000 sq. ft. ballroom attached. The city owns ~ 100 acres near this project (set to open this October), and they have only sold one parcel so far (for a hotel that plans to break ground this fall), and are in talks on several other parcels. Every time I talk to the city leaders on this project, I hear that most developers want to see the building open before they will commit to a project. So again I ask - what's my motivation if I'm a developer looking at the Marlins project in breaking ground today (or even next summer for that matter) on a building that won't get traffic for 21 months?
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Sorry my bad, I misread your original comment
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Paul W, do you feel this way about every ballpark, or only ours? What about Citi Field's financing? Was that done entirely for the good of the people because it's your team? Or would you concede that it's 'for wilpon & minaya's benefit'? If you don't like the idea of the new ballpark in Miami, then don't talk about it
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every new mallpark is portrayed as built "for the fans", which is double speak b.s. practiced by franchise owners and politicians.
they are built to enrich the owners, at taxpayer expense.
how much of the $2B is coming out of loria's pocket?
from personal experience, i've lived and worked in dade co. and know the political climate there and how polluted it is.
a family friend was a coach several years ago and he mentioned that loria/samson were the worst, least truthful individuals he's ever dealt with in his 50+ years in the business.
i guess that you want this thread to be for the parrots only, no dissenting opinions here.
heaven forbid, that might make you think about how much of a boondoggle this is.
Last edited by Paul W; 07-01-2010 at 11:53 PM.
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I thought I'd read that the field would be permanently switched to a football-only facility and that the sidelines may even be brought in closer to the football playing field.
They're supposed to be paying homage to the Orange Bowl - I guess the idea is that they're the letters from the Orange Bowl sign that fell off, and from different angles as the picture shows, you can see words like "Won" and "game."
I like home runs too.....for my team (the fish). This year the Mets actually lowered the home run line in center field a few feet to try to increase the park's home run total - not sure if it's helped at all.
They'll get an All Star Game, it's just a matter of when. MLB can't deny them an ASG because of the stadium size. Although I thought I saw an article saying it wouldn't be one of the main criteria used in giving out the ASG, for the past several years, it was essentially granted to whichever team had just built a new stadium recently. Plus, the Marlins have never hosted an ASG - they were supposed to have it in 2000, but it was given to Atlanta instead......because Turner Field had just opened. 3 franchises have not hosted the ASG - the D'backs (will host 2011 ASG), the Rays, and Marlins. The Marlins have requested to host the 2015 ASG.
I think Bicentennial Park would've been a great spot - right on the water and next to the AAA, but oh well - I'm just happy the Fish are staying down here.
The route I've gone to check out the stadium during construction, while not difficult to navigate by any means, is oing to be backed up quite a bit for games I think - as others have mentioned, it's only 2-4 lane roads in that area once getting off the highway. There may be a better way to get there, though, as I've only been by there 2-3 times before and wasn't 'exploring' the best/fastest routes.
Even if we had a world-class train system, people wouldn't use it.
You'd more than likely have to knock out the 2 surrounding baseball fields, and perhaps even Lockhart Stadium (soccer field) next to it to fit a decent stadium there, IMO. Not to mention the fact that that site is literally next to the airport, so you're limited with height of the building too.
I liked the idea just before the OB site was approved of putting it next to the Pompano Harness Track is - of course, I live in Ft. Lauderdale, so the drive would've been much shorter to get there compared to the OB site.
I've been wondering that too - not so much in the part where it's just stands, but where the luxury boxes/press boxes are - underneath there, there's not much support, but I'm sure they've figured it all out.
The roof itself will take a year to complete.
I think the question was more with the luxury/press box portion.After looking at that photo I’ve developed this cad drawing.
It looks like the largest cantilever is ten rows in the middle deck
and eight rows in the upper deck.
So anyway there isn’t anything new here in cantilever design.
I hate the Yankees only because they buy everybody. I also don't like the Phillies, but that's only because they've been so good the past few years.
I'll give you the rude people comment - at least a good portion of people are rude. We don't need museums, we've got the beach
It was removed this year because the Dolphins/stadium people didn't want to spend the money that would've been required to fix/update it, especially with the fish moving out after next season.
I've read that the out-of-town score boards may not actually be there on the field level as the renderings show.
I see what you're saying about the logo, but I kinda thought with the way they divided the 3 roof sections on there that it sorta looked like a Marlins' fin, and therefore a hint at a new Marlins logo.
I don't think it'd be as close as it looks in the renderings.
I agree - that green looks horrible. I don't know why they don't just do a dark blue or something since the seats will already be blue?
Last edited by rmc523; 07-01-2010 at 02:06 PM.
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I think the question was more with the luxury/press box portion.I thought I'd read that the field would be permanently switched to a football-only facility and that the sidelines may even be brought in closer to the football playing field.
They're supposed to be paying homage to the Orange Bowl - I guess the idea is that they're the letters from the Orange Bowl sign that fell off, and from different angles as the picture shows, you can see words like "Won" and "game."
I like home runs too.....for my team (the fish). This year the Mets actually lowered the home run line in center field a few feet to try to increase the park's home run total - not sure if it's helped at all.
They'll get an All Star Game, it's just a matter of when. MLB can't deny them an ASG because of the stadium size. Although I thought I saw an article saying it wouldn't be one of the main criteria used in giving out the ASG, for the past several years, it was essentially granted to whichever team had just built a new stadium recently. Plus, the Marlins have never hosted an ASG - they were supposed to have it in 2000, but it was given to Atlanta instead......because Turner Field had just opened. 3 franchises have not hosted the ASG - the D'backs (will host 2011 ASG), the Rays, and Marlins. The Marlins have requested to host the 2015 ASG.
I think Bicentennial Park would've been a great spot - right on the water and next to the AAA, but oh well - I'm just happy the Fish are staying down here.
The route I've gone to check out the stadium during construction, while not difficult to navigate by any means, is oing to be backed up quite a bit for games I think - as others have mentioned, it's only 2-4 lane roads in that area once getting off the highway. There may be a better way to get there, though, as I've only been by there 2-3 times before and wasn't 'exploring' the best/fastest routes.
Even if we had a world-class train system, people wouldn't use it.
You'd more than likely have to knock out the 2 surrounding baseball fields, and perhaps even Lockhart Stadium (soccer field) next to it to fit a decent stadium there, IMO. Not to mention the fact that that site is literally next to the airport, so you're limited with height of the building too.
I liked the idea just before the OB site was approved of putting it next to the Pompano Harness Track is - of course, I live in Ft. Lauderdale, so the drive would've been much shorter to get there compared to the OB site.
As I said above, I though Bicentennial Park would've been a great location.
I've been wondering that too - not so much in the part where it's just stands, but where the luxury boxes/press boxes are - underneath there, there's not much support, but I'm sure they've figured it all out.
The roof itself will take a year to complete.
After looking at that photo I’ve developed this cad drawing.
It looks like the largest cantilever is ten rows in the middle deck
and eight rows in the upper deck. A ten row cantilever has long
been the industry standard using standard beam and column
construction. And that is what I see being used here. Remember
what you see now as the front row is actually the first row behind
The “mote”. There is still about another 40 feet to the field.
So anyway there isn’t anything new here in cantilever design.
I hate the Yankees only because they buy everybody. I also don't like the Phillies, but that's only because they've been so good the past few years.
I'll give you the rude people comment - at least a good portion of people are rude. We don't need museums, we've got the beach
It was removed this year because the Dolphins/stadium people didn't want to spend the money that would've been required to fix/update it, especially with the fish moving out after next season.
I've read that the out-of-town score boards may not actually be there on the field level as the renderings show.
I see what you're saying about the logo, but I kinda thought with the way they divided the 3 roof sections on there that it sorta looked like a Marlins' fin, and therefore a hint at a new Marlins logo.
I don't think it'd be as close as it looks in the renderings.
I agree - that green looks horrible. I don't know why they don't just do a dark blue or something since the seats will already be blue?[/QUOTE]
I think that's the longest quoted post in history until right now.
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Sorry - I was catching up on 39 pages worth of stuff LOL. I cut out the images and cut down some of my quoted replies to make it shorter.
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Where'd you hear that? I think it makes sense to not put them on the spot of the fence where it curves out, since a good portion of the left field line probably won't be able to see the far end.
As for the "we don't have an out of town scoreboard anymore" comment, the consolation prize to losing the Teal Tower scoreboard is the out of town scores on the previously unused ribbon board on the facing of the upper deck, where you can actually read them. They only show one league at a time, but now they also show Marlins affilates too, and the scores rotate with more details on the 360-degree ribbon board between the suite levels.
Hopefully the green walls will either be changed to something different, or the shade of green they picked won't look as bad in the flesh. Look at the Nationals Park renderings, which show a similar hideous light green, but it looks fine in person
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One of the articles related to the announcement of Daktronics getting the contract for the ballpark's scoreboards led myself and others to believe that certain scoreboards would not be exactly where they are shown in renderings.
Here's the article:
http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?o...news&Itemid=56
and quotes describing the displays:
#1 describes the main scoreboard in center/right-center field1) The super system’s high definition video display, one of the ballpark’s signature features, will measure approximately 101 feet wide (top of display) and 51 feet tall. Daktronics popular HD-X LED video technology will populate the uniquely shaped board.
2) Daktronics patented ProRail cabinet design will be used with the digital ribbon boards on the fascia, providing improved sight lines and reduced construction costs. A total of six digital ribbon boards will be incorporated in the seating bowl and at the ballpark’s entry gates, the longest more than 950 feet that will stretch from the right field line to left field line on the club level fascia.
3) Two additional displays will be positioned within the left field wall, the largest of which will measure nearly 100 feet wide and will be used primarily to display stats and scores from out-of-town games in real time. Two pitcher boards will keep fans in the know regarding each pitcher’s performance. Other full-color displays will be positioned behind left and right field, and another near the main ramp. Additional components include numerous ticket window displays, backlit signage, and scrolling signage.
#2 describes the ribbon boards that will surround the stadium (same as most current stadia)
#3 is the one in question - the wording isn't entirely clear, but anyway it describes the out-of-town scoreboards and pitcher's boards. I think the confusion at the other site I post at may've been because it said within the left-field wall, whereas the renderings show them almost in center field. The other ones it's talking about in left and right field are the auxilary scoreboardds for those fans in the outfield.
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And yes, I googled the Nationals Park renderings, and it appears to be a similar shade of green to the Marlins' renderings, but as you said, they're much darker in real life. I still don't understand why they just wouldn't go with a dark blue that would more closely match the seats and presumably the team's new/updated colors though.
Last edited by rmc523; 07-02-2010 at 12:55 AM.
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I still don't know why they don't use teal for everything unless they are dropping one of the best color schemes in baseball, I seriously think they have the most unique pinstripes up there with the rockies and the mets pin stripes.
Also will there be anymore art deco lighting going on? I like the fact that the outside is all white with the fun floresent colored lights up against it, real south beachy!
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teal sucks for baseball...
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The teal seats on the project teal pictures look good to me, but to each his own I guess.
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I feel the same way about Orange.
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I think it would have looked better with teal seating. Though not the actual Marlins park they're constructing now, I had designed a Marlins stadium a while back and I thought the teal seating looked good.
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Hmm, a Dodgers fan who hates orange in baseball. I wonder why?
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teal sucks for anything tied to any sport.
why should the l.a.'ers "hate" orange? the dodgers are (5 ws wins since '58) the hammer and the gi-ants are the nail (0, zip, nada)...
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I hate orange too, the current stadium they are in with all the orange seats looks like a clown palace. Teal is good if its a DARK teal, not a light one.
And i am talking strictly about what the colors look like, not because any particular teams use them.
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I disagree. Teal would suck for northern or midwestern teams. But I like how Florida stadiums--such as the Jaguars stadium or the Marlins-era Space Coast Stadium--use teal. I remember in 1995 driving in Jacksonville right before the Jaguars started play and their stadium opened, without having seen any pictures or plans of their stadium. And looking at the stadium in the distance and seeing the teal seats from the upper deck peaking through and thinking how cool and unique looking it was. It was something different, and 15 years later, I still think it looks sweet.
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That's a pretty cool looking design. You ought to finish it, just because. Maybe the Rays could use it in a design for their new park whenever that gets built (with that team's respective color scheme, of course).
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That looks great Pelt!
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The Marlins' new Fish Tank will actually have fish tanks behind home plate and down the first and third base line seats. That's unusual.
How about this idea? Using Turner Field as a model (where there is space between the fence and the wall where the seating section begins in the outfield area), how about using Plexiglas or Fiberglass tanks that are open at the top and filling them with electric eels or piranhas?
If this takes suit, would Tampa Bay do the same? What about Atlanta, except putting catfish, bream, perch, and bass instead of tropical fish? Or Seattle, where they could put salmon? This way, the fans behind the seats could catch their own dinner.
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