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  • Dave Bancroft, SS (1915-1930) - 2nd Year

    9 28.13%
  • Chief Bender, SP (1903-1917, 1925) - 15th Year

    14 43.75%
  • George J. Burns, LF (1911-1925) - 7th Year

    5 15.63%
  • Rip Collins, SP (1920-1931) - 1st Year

    1 3.13%
  • Wilbur Cooper, SP (1912-1926) - 6th Year

    16 50.00%
  • Gavvy Cravath, RF (1908-1909, 1912-1920) - 12th Year

    9 28.13%
  • Joe Dugan, 3B (1917-1929, 1931) - 1st Year

    1 3.13%
  • Johnny Evers, 2B (1902-1917, 1922, 1929) - 11th Year

    12 37.50%
  • Bibb Falk, LF (1920-1931) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Larry Gardner, 3B (1908-1924) - 8th Year

    2 6.25%
  • Heinie Groh, 3B (1912-1927) - 5th Year

    26 81.25%
  • Bucky Harris, 2B (1919-1929, 1931) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Harry Hooper, RF (1909-1925) - 7th Year

    5 15.63%
  • Ed Konetchy, 1B (1907-1921) - 11th Year

    5 15.63%
  • Tommy Leach, 3B/CF (1898-1915, 1918) - 15th Year

    20 62.50%
  • Rube Marquard, SP (1908-1925) - 7th Year

    3 9.38%
  • Carl Mays, SP (1915-1929) - 3rd Year

    15 46.88%
  • Bob Meusel, LF/RF (1920-1930) - 2nd Year

    2 6.25%
  • Del Pratt, 2B (1912-1924) - 8th Year

    3 9.38%
  • Ed Reulbach, SP (1905-1917) - 15th Year

    3 9.38%
  • Ray Schalk, C (1912-1929) - 3rd Year

    6 18.75%
  • Wally Schang, C (1913-1931) - 1st Year

    11 34.38%
  • Earl Sheely, 1B (1921-1927, 1929, 1931) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Urban Shocker, SP (1916-1928) - 4th Year

    11 34.38%
  • Hippo Vaughn, SP (1908, 1910-1921) - 11th Year

    6 18.75%
  • Bobby Veach, LF (1912-1925) - 7th Year

    10 31.25%
  • Cy Williams, CF (1912-1930) - 2nd Year

    4 12.50%
  • Joe Wood, SP (1908-1915, 1917, 1919-1920) - 10th Year

    3 9.38%
  • Ross Youngs, RF (1917-1926) - 6th Year

    2 6.25%
  • None of the Above (Blank Ballot)

    1 3.13%
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Thread: BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1936

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    BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1936

    PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING!

    Format and Rules
    Voting Rules: Voters may vote for between 0-15 candidates. Votes will be made public, and voters are encouraged to post their ballots in the thread and not view results before voting. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR BALLOT TO 15 VOTES AT MOST. EXCESS VOTES MAY RESULT IN YOUR BALLOT BEING DISQUALIFIED.
    -Blank Ballots: A "None of the Above" option is available if you believe no one is worthy and you wish to submit a blank ballot. This option is not to be taken lightly and it is strongly urged that it be used only after the utmost consideration, as non-votes carry great weight. Additionally, if using this option, please post your rationale.

    Thoughtfulness and Editing Ballots: Please review and thoughtfully consider the candidates before voting, and make sure you have accurately filled out your ballot before submitting. Requests for editing ballots after the fact will generally not be honored. Exceptions might be made if a voter accidentally voted for the wrong player or accidentally went over the voting limit (but I strongly encourage you to do your best to prevent either from happening).

    Required Support: Players receiving at least 75% support in an election will be elected. Players need at least 5% support to stay on the ballot, with an exception for first-year eligible players, who will need at least 1 vote to appear on the next ballot.

    Player Eligibility: Players eligible for an election will have last played at least 5 years prior to the election year and have appeared in at least 10 Major League seasons . If a player appeared in less than 10 seasons, he may still be eligible if he had a minimum of 3000 ABs or 1500 IP, though extra scrutiny will be applied. Players will remain on the ballot for 15 years, provided they continue to receive at least 5% of the vote, at which point they will become indefinitely eligible for periodic elections conducted by the Veterans Committee.
    - Age Exception: For players 40 or older, they will become eligible the later of either 5 years after their last year of continuous play, or their first inactive year at age 45 or older.

    Election Period: Elections will close exactly one week after starting. The next election might not commence for another day or two.


    1936 Guide
    There are 29 candidates on the 1936 ballot – 23 holdovers and 6 first timers. First time eligible players last played in 1931 (unless qualifying under the age rule).

    First Timers (6)
    Rip Collins
    Joe Dugan
    Bibb Falk
    Bucky Harris
    Wally Schang
    Early Sheely

    Holdovers (23)
    Code:
    Player			Year of Eligibility	Previous Support	High Support		Low Support		Average Support
    Dave Bancroft		2nd			27.27%			27.27% (1935)		27.27% (1935)		27.27%
    Chief Bender		15th			36.36%			60.00% (1929)		35.71% (1934)		45.37%
    George J. Burns		7th			9.09%			24.00% (1930)		9.09% (1935)		17.39%
    Wilbur Cooper		6th			33.33%			58.33% (1932)		33.33% (1935)		46.14%
    Gavvy Cravath		12th			18.18%			37.50% (1925)		18.18% (1935)		26.24%
    Johnny Evers		11th			21.21%			41.67% (1932)		21.21% (1935)		28.53%
    Larry Gardner		8th			9.09%			15.63% (1931)		6.90% (1933)		9.58%
    Heinie Groh		5th			66.67%			66.67% (1932, 1935)	55.17% (1933)		62.31%
    Harry Hooper		7th			21.21%			34.38% (1931)		20.69% (1933)		24.45%
    Ed Konetchy		11th			9.09%			16.67% (1932)		8.00% (1929)		11.67%
    Tommy Leach		15th			57.58%			66.67% (1931)		33.33% (1925)		48.69%
    Rube Marquard		7th			12.12%			28.00% (1930)		12.12% (1935)		20.23%
    Carl Mays		3rd			45.45%			50.00% (1934)		45.45% (1935)		47.73%
    Bob Meusel		2nd			9.09%			9.09% (1935)		9.09% (1935)		9.09%
    Del Pratt		8th			12.12%			20.83% (1932)		12.12% (1935)		15.52%
    Ed Reulbach		15th			6.06%			17.24% (1924)		6.90% (1933)		11.59%
    Ray Schalk		3rd			18.18%			25.00% (1934)		18.18% (1935)		21.59%
    Urban Shocker		4th			24.24%			35.71% (1933)		24.24% (1935)		30.33%
    Hippo Vaughn		11th			15.15%			21.43% (1934)		10.71% (1927)		15.61%
    Bobby Veach		7th			27.27%			39.29% (1934)		24.00% (1930)		30.91%
    Cy Williams		2nd			15.15%			15.15% (1935)		15.15% (1935)		15.15%
    Joe Wood		9th			15.15%			35.71% (1927)		10.34% (1933)		22.04%
    Ross Youngs		5th			12.12%			12.50% (1931)		6.90% (1933)		10.11%
    Holdovers Dropped from Last Election (7)
    Code:
    Player			Reason			Years on Ballot		High Support		Low Support		Average Support 
    Babe Adams		Lack of Support		5			18.75% (1931)		3.03% (1935)		12.57%
    Bill Doak		Lack of Support		2			3.57% (1934)		0% (1935)		1.79%
    Jack Fournier		Lack of Support		4			10.34% (1933)		3.03% (1935)		7.21%
    Hank Gowdy		Lack of Support		2			7.14% (1934)		0% (1935)		3.57%
    Bob Shawkey		Lack of Support		4			12.50% (1932)		3.03% (1935)		8.25%
    Joe Tinker		End of Eligibility	15			33.33 (1932)		10.71% (1922)		21.63%
    Ken Williams		Lack of Support		2			7.14% (1934)		3.03% (1935)		5.09%
    Last Year of Eligibility (3)
    Code:
    Player			High Support
    Chief Bender		60.00% (1929)
    Tommy Leach		66.67% (1931)
    Ed Reulbach		17.24% (1924)
    Penultimate Year of Eligibility (0)
    Code:
    Player			High Support
    Holdovers Receiving At Least 50% in the Previous Election (2)
    Code:
    Player			Previous Support	Years with At Least 50% Support
    Heinie Groh		66.67%			4
    Tommy Leach		57.58%			7

    HALL OF FAMERS

    Players Elected (78)
    Code:
    Player			Year Elected	Election Percentage	Years on Ballot		Position		Primary Team				Active Years				Total Seasons		Living/Deceased		Age at Election
    Pete Alexander		1935		93.94%			1			Pitcher			Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1911-1930				20			Living - Age 49		48
    Cap Anson		1902		100%			1			First Base		Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1871-1897				27			Deceased (1852-1922)	50
    Frank Baker		1927		96.43%			1			Third Base		Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1908-1914, 1916-1919, 1921-1922		13			Living - Age 50		41
    Ross Barnes^		1911		76.00%			11			Second Base		Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1879, 1881				9			Deceased (1850-1915)	61
    Jake Beckley		1917		76.00%			6			First Base		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1887-1907				20			Deceased (1867-1918)	50
    Charlie Bennett		1907		75.00%			7			Catcher			Detroit Wolverines (NL)			1878, 1880-1893				15			Deceased (1854-1927)	53
    Roger Bresnahan		1925		79.17%			6			Catcher			New York Giants (NL)			1897, 1900-1915				17			Living - Age 55		46
    Dan Brouthers		1901		90.00%			1			First Base		Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1879-1896, 1904				18			Deceased (1858-1932)	50
    Mordecai Brown		1921		96.77%			1			Pitcher			Chicago Cubs (NL)			1903-1916				14			Living – Age 60		45
    Pete Browning		1909		77.27%			9			Center Field/Left Field	Louisville Colonels (NL/AA)		1882-1894				13			Deceased (1861-1905)	Deceased
    Jesse Burkett		1910		92.00%			1			Left field		Cleveland Spiders (NL)			1890-1905				16			Living – Age 68		42
    Max Carey		1934		82.14%			1			Center Field		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1910-1929				20			Living - Age 46		44
    Bob Caruthers		1909		77.27%			9			Pitcher/Right Field	St. Louis Browns (Cardinals) (NL/AA)	1884-1893				10			Deceased (1864-1911)	45
    Frank Chance		1932		83.33%			14			First Base		Chicago Cubs (NL)			1898-1914				17			Deceased (1876-1924)	Deceased	
    Cupid Childs		1920		76.92%			15			Second Base		Cleveland Spiders (NL)			1888, 1890-1901				13			Deceased (1867-1912)	Deceased
    Fred Clarke		1917		88.00%			1			Left Field		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1894-1915				21			Living – Age 68		45
    John Clarkson		1901		90.00%			1			Pitcher			Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1882, 1884-1894				12			Deceased  (1861-1909)	40
    Ty Cobb			1933		96.55%			1			Center Field		Detroit Tigers (AL)			1905-1928				24			Living - Age 50		47
    Eddie Collins		1935		96.67%			1			Second Base		Chicago White Sox (AL)			1906-1930				25			Living Age - 49		48
    Jimmy Collins		1913		82.61%			1			Third Base		Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL)		1895-1908				14			Living – Age 66		43
    Roger Connor		1902		79.17%			1			First Base		New York Giants (NL)			1880-1897				18			Deceased (1857-1931)	45
    Stan Coveleski		1934		89.29%			2			Pitcher			Cleveland Indians (AL)			1912, 1916-1928				14			Living - Age 47		45
    Sam Crawford		1922		92.86%			1			Right Field		Detroit Tigers (AL)			1899-1917				19			Living – Age 56		41
    Bill Dahlen		1916		88.00%			1			Shortstop		Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1891-1911				21			Living – Age 66		46
    George Davis		1914		84.62%			1			Shortstop		New York Giants (NL)			1890-1909				20			Living – Age 66		44
    Ed Delahanty		1908		96.00%			1			Left Field		Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1888-1903				16			Deceased (1867-1903)	Deceased
    Larry Doyle		1926		76.00%			2			Second Base		New York Giants (NL)			1907-1920				14			Living - Age 50		40
    Hugh Duffy		1918		75.00%			8			Center Field/Outfield	Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1888-1901, 1904-1906			17			Living – Age 70		52
    Buck Ewing		1902		83.33%			1			Catcher			New York Giants (NL)			1880-1897				18			Deceased (1859-1906)	43
    Elmer Flick		1916		80.00%			1			Right Field		Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1898-1910				13			Living – Age 60		40
    Pud Galvin		1903		80.77%			3			Pitcher			Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1875, 1879-1892				15			Deceased (1856-1902)	Deceased
    Jack Glasscock		1911		84.00%			11			Shortstop		Cleveland Blues (NL)			1879-1895				17			Living – Age 79		54
    George Gore		1909		77.27%			9			Center Field		Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1879-1892				14			Deceased (1857-1933)	52
    Hughie Jennings		1927		75.00%			14			Shortstop		Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1891-1903, 1907, 1909, 1912, 1918	17			Deceased (1869-1928)	58
    Walter Johnson		1932		100%			1			Pitcher			Washington Senators (AL)		1907-1927				21			Living - Age 49		45
    Addie Joss		1929		76.00%			15			Pitcher			Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1902-1910				9			Deceased (1880-1911)	Deceased
    Billy Hamilton		1906		82.61%			1			Center Field		Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1888-1901				14			Living – Age 70		40
    Paul Hines		1904		76.00%			4			Center Field		Providence Grays (NL)			1872-1891				20			Deceased (1855-1935)	49
    Tim Keefe		1901		75.00%			1			Pitcher			New York Giants (NL)			1880-1893				14			Deceased (1857-1933)	44
    Willie Keeler		1916		92.00%			2			Right Field		Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1892-1910				19			Deceased (1872-1923)	44
    Joe Kelley		1920		84.62%			8			Left Field		Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1891-1906, 1908				17			Living – Age 65		49
    King Kelly		1902		75.00%			2			Right Field/Catcher	Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1878-1893				16			Deceased (1857-1894)	Deceased
    Napoleon Lajoie		1921		96.77%			1			Second Base		Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1896-1916				21			Living – Age 62		47
    Herman Long*		1925 (VC)	75.00% 			VC			Shortstop		Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1889-1904				16			Deceased (1866-1909)	Deceased
    Sherry Magee		1924		86.21%			1			Left Field		Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1904-1919				16			Deceased (1884-1929)	40	
    Christy Mathewson	1922		93.55%			1			Pitcher			New York Giants (NL)			1900-1916				17			Deceased (1880-1925)	41
    Joe McGinnity		1913		91.30%			1			Pitcher			New York Giants (NL)			1899-1908				10			Deceased (1871-1929)	42
    Bid McPhee		1905		75.00%			2			Second Base		Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA)			1882-1899				18			Living – Age 77		46
    Cal McVey*^		1920 (VC)	83.33%			VC			Catcher/First Base	Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1879				9			Deceased (1849-1926)	71
    Tony Mullane		1908		80.00%			8			Pitcher			Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA)			1881-1894				14			Living – Age 76		49
    Kid Nichols		1911		100%			1			Pitcher			Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1890-1901, 1904-1906			15			Living – Age 67		42
    Jim O’Rourke		1901		90.00%			1			Left Field/Utility	New York Giants (NL)			1872-1893, 1904				23			Deceased (1850-1919)	51
    Dickey Pearce*^		1920 (VC)	100%			VC			Shortstop		Brooklyn  Atlantics (NA)		1871-1877				7			Deceased (1836-1908)	Deceased
    Lip Pike*^		1920 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Center Field		Baltimore Canaries (NA)			1871-1878, 1881, 1887			10			Deceased (1845-1893)	Deceased
    Eddie Plank		1922		92.86%			1			Pitcher			Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1901-1917				17			Deceased (1875-1926)	47
    Charley Radbourn	1901		95.00%			1			Pitcher			Providence Grays (NL)			1881-1891				11			Deceased (1854-1897)	Deceased
    Hardy Richardson*	1920 (VC)	91.67%			VC			Second Base/Left Field	Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1879-1892				14			Deceased (1855-1931)	65
    Amos Rusie		1906		78.26%			1			Pitcher			New York Giants (NL)			1889-1895, 1897-1898, 1901		10			Living – Age 65		35
    Jimmy Ryan*		1930 (VC)	86.67%			VC			Center Field		Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1885-1900, 1902-1903			18			Deceased (1885-1923)	Deceased
    George Sisler		1935		90.91%			1			First Base		St. Louis Browns (AL)			1915-1922, 1924-1930			15			Living - Age 43		42
    Al Spalding^		1915		80.00%			15			Pitcher			Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1878				8			Deceased (1850-1915)	Deceased
    Tris Speaker		1933		100%			1			Center Field		Cleveland Indians (AL)			1907-1928				22			Living - Age 48		45
    Joe Start*^		1920 (VC)	91.67%			VC			First Base		Providence Grays (NL)			1871-1886				16			Deceased (1842-1927)	78		
    Harry Stovey		1907		75.00%			7			Left Field/First Base	Philadelphia Athletics (AA)		1880-1893				14			Living – Age 80		51
    Ezra Sutton*		1920 (VC)	83.33%			VC			Third Base		Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1871-1888				18			Deceased (1850-1907)	Deceased
    Sam Thompson		1907		79.17%			5			Right Field		Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1885-1898, 1906				15			Deceased (1860-1922)	47
    George Van Haltren	1918		75.00%			11			Center Field		New York Giants (NL)			1887-1903				17			Living – Age 70		52
    Rube Waddell		1915		84.00%			1			Pitcher			Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1897, 1899-1910				13			Deceased (1876-1914)	Deceased
    Honus Wagner		1922		92.86%			1			Shortstop		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1897-1917				21			Living – Age 62		48
    Bobby Wallace		1925		75.00%			3			Shortstop		St. Louis Browns (AL)			1894-1918				25			Living - Age 63		52
    Ed Walsh		1922		89.29%			1			Pitcher			Chicago White Sox (AL)			1904-1917				14			Living – Age 55		41
    John Ward		1907		75.00%			7			Shortstop/Pitcher	New York Giants (NL)			1878-1894				17			Deceased (1860-1925)	47
    Mickey Welch*		1920 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Pitcher			New York Giants (NL)			1880-1892				13			Living – Age 77		61
    Zack Wheat		1932		87.50%			1			Left Field		Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL)		1909-1927				19			Living - Age 48		44
    Deacon White^		1904		76.00%			4			Catcher/Third Base	Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1871-1890				20			Living – Age 89		57
    Vic Willis		1919		77.78%			5			Pitcher			Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1898-1910				13			Living – Age 60		43
    George Wright^		1907		75.00%			7			Shortstop		Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1882				12			Living – Age 89		60
    Cy Young		1916		100%			1			Pitcher			Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL)		1890-1911				22			Living – Age 69		49
    
    * = Elected by Veterans Committee
    ^ = Played Significantly Prior to 1871
    Players Elected by Primary Position
    Catcher (5): Charlie Bennett, Roger Bresnahan, Buck Ewing, Cal McVey, Deacon White
    First Base (7): Cap Anson, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers, Frank Chance, Roger Connor, George Sisler, Joe Start
    Second Base (7): Ross Barnes, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Napoleon Lajoie, Bid McPhee, Hardy Richardson
    Third Base (3): Frank Baker, Jimmy Collins, Ezra Sutton
    Shortstop (10): Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Herman Long, Dickey Pearce, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, John Ward, George Wright
    Left Field (8): Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Joe Kelley, Sherry Magee, Jim O'Rourke, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat
    Center Field (11): Pete Browning, Max Carey, Ty Cobb, Hugh Duffy, George Gore, Billy Hamilton, Paul Hines, Lip Pike, Jimmy Ryan, Tris Speaker, George Van Haltren
    Right Field (5): Sam Crawford, King Kelly, Elmer Flick, Willie Keeler, Sam Thompson
    Pitcher (22): Pete Alexander, Mordecai Brown, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Stan Coveleski, Pud Galvin, Walter Johnson, Addie Joss, Tim Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Tony Mullane, Kid Nichols, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Amos Rusie, Al Spalding, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Mickey Welch, Vic Willis, Cy Young

    Players Elected by Year
    1901 (5): Dan Brouthers, John Clarkson, Tim Keefe, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn
    1902 (4): Cap Anson, Roger Connor, Buck Ewing, King Kelly
    1903 (1): Pud Galvin
    1904 (2): Paul Hines, Deacon White
    1905 (1): Bid McPhee
    1906 (2): Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie
    1907 (5): Charlie Bennett, Harry Stovey, Sam Thompson, John Ward, George Wright
    1908 (2): Ed Delahanty, Tony Mullane
    1909 (3): Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, George Gore
    1910 (1): Jesse Burkett
    1911 (3): Ross Barnes, Jack Glasscock, Kid Nichols
    1912 (0):
    1913 (2):
    Jimmy Collins, Joe McGinnity
    1914 (1): George Davis
    1915 (2): Al Spalding, Rube Waddell
    1916 (4): Bill Dahlen, Elmer Flick, Willie Keeler, Cy Young
    1917 (2): Jake Beckley, Fred Clarke
    1918 (2): Hugh Duffy, George Van Haltren
    1919 (1): Vic Willis
    1920 (2): Cupid Childs, Joe Kelley
    - 1920 VC (7): Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Mickey Welch
    1921 (3): Mordecai Brown, Napoleon Lajoie, Christy Mathewson
    1922 (4): Sam Crawford, Eddie Plank, Honus Wagner, Ed Walsh
    1923 (0):
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    1925 (2): Roger Bresnahan, Bobby Wallace
    - 1925 VC (1): Herman Long
    1926 (1): Larry Doyle
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    1933 (2): Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker
    1934 (2): Max Carey, Stan Coveleski
    1935 (3): Pete Alexander, Eddie Collins, George Sisler
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    Players Elected by Primary Decade
    1870s (9): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Al Spalding, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Deacon White, George Wright
    1880s (21): Cap Anson, Charlie Bennett, Dan Brouthers, Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Conner, Buck Ewing, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, George Gore, Paul Hines, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Tony Mullane, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn, Hardy Richardson, Harry Stovey, John Ward, Mickey Welch
    1890s (17): Jake Beckley, Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Ed Delahanty, Hugh Duffy, Billy Hamilton, Hughie Jennings, Joe Kelley, Herman Long, Bid McPhee, Kid Nichols, Jimmy Ryan, Amos Rusie, Sam Thompson, George Van Haltren
    1900s (19): Roger Bresnahan, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Fred Clarke, Jimmy Collins, Sam Crawford, Elmer Flick, Addie Joss, Willie Keeler, Napoleon Lajoie, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Eddie Plank, Rube Waddell, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Ed Walsh, Vic Willis, Cy Young
    1910s (11): Pete Alexander, Frank Baker , Max Carey, Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Walter Johnson, Sherry Magee, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat
    1920s (2): Stan Coveleski, George Sisler

    Players Elected by Primary Organization
    Baltimore Canaries (NA) (1): Lip Pike
    Baltimore Orioles (NL) (3): Hughie Jennings, Willie Keeler, Joe Kelley
    Boston Braves (fka Beaneaters) (NL) (6): John Clarkson, Hugh Duffy, Herman Long, Kid Nichols, Ezra Sutton, Vic Willis
    Boston Red Sox (fka Americans) (AL) (2): Jimmy Collins, Cy Young
    Boston Red Stockings (NA) (4): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Al Spalding, George Wright
    Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) (1): Dickey Pearce
    Brooklyn Dodgers (fka Robins) (1): Zack Wheat
    Buffalo Bisons (NL) (4): Dan Brouthers, Pud Galvin, Hardy Richardson, Deacon White
    Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NL) (7): Cap Anson, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Bill Dahlen, George Gore, King Kelly, Jimmy Ryan
    Chicago White Sox (AL) (2): Eddie Collins, Ed Walsh
    Cincinnati Reds (NL, AA) (2): Bid McPhee, Tony Mullane
    Cleveland Blues (NL) (1): Jack Glasscock
    Cleveland Indians (fka Naps) (AL) (5): Stan Coveleski, Elmer Flick, Addie Joss, Napoleon Lajoie, Tris Speaker
    Cleveland Spiders (NL) (2): Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs
    Detroit Tigers (AL) (2): Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford
    Detroit Wolverines (NL) (1): Charlie Bennett
    Louisville Colonels (NL, AA) (1): Pete Browning
    New York Giants (NL) (13): Roger Bresnahan, Roger Connor, George Davis, Larry Doyle, Buck Ewing, Tim Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jim O’Rourke, Amos Rusie, George Van Haltren, John Ward, Mickey Welch
    Philadelphia Athletics (AL) (3): Frank Baker, Eddie Plank, Rube Waddell
    Philadelphia Athletics (AA) (1): Harry Stovey
    Philadelphia Phillies (NL) (5): Pete Alexander, Ed Delahanty, Billy Hamilton, Sherry Magee, Sam Thompson
    Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) (4): Jake Beckley, Max Carey, Fred Clarke, Honus Wagner
    Providence Grays (NL) (3): Paul Hines, Charley Radbourn, Joe Start
    St. Louis Browns (AL) (2): George Sisler, Bobby Wallace
    St. Louis Cardinals (fka Browns) (NL, AA) (1): Bob Caruthers
    Washington Senators (AL) (1): Walter Johnson


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    - Number of 1st Ballot Electees: 37
    - Number of Electees with At Least 90% Support: 24
    - Average Regular Election Percentage: 84.93%
    - Most Years on Ballot Before Election: Cupid Childs, Addie Joss, Al Spalding – 15
    - Number of Players Elected After 10 Years on Ballot: 8
    - Average Wait Before Election: 3.91 Years
    - Number of Players Lasting 15 Years on Ballot without Election: 21
    - Number of Players Elected by Veterans Committee: 9
    - Average Electees per Veterans Committee Election: 2.25
    - Highest Percentage Among Players Not Elected: Heinie Groh, Tommy Leach - 66.67%
    - Highest Average Percentage Among Players Not Elected: Heinie Groh - 62.31%
    - Most Regular Election Electees in One Year: 5 (1901, 1907)
    - Fewest Regular Election Electees in One Year: 0 (1912, 1923, 1928, 1930, 1931)
    - Average Regular Election Electees Per Year: 2.03
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    - Largest Post-1915 Ballot: 47 Players (1932)
    - Smallest Ballot: 23 Players (1918)
    - Most Votes Cast: 33 (1935)
    - Fewest Votes Cast: 20 (1901)
    - Average Votes Cast: 25.77
    - Team With Most Players Elected: New York Giants - 13
    - Team With Second Most Players Elected: Chicago Cubs - 7
    - Electee with Longest Post-1871 Career: Cap Anson – 27 Seasons
    - Electee with Shortest Post-1871 Career: Dickey Pearce – 8 Seasons
    - Average Post-1871 Career Length of Electees: 16.17 Seasons
    - Youngest Elected Player: Amos Rusie – Age 35
    - Oldest Elected Player: Joe Start – 78
    - Average Age at Election: 47.97
    - Number of Posthumously Elected Players: 15
    - Number of Living Hall of Famers: 41
    - Oldest Living Hall of Famer: Deacon White, George Wright - 89
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    1902: 24
    1903: 26
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    1911: 25
    1912: 23
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    1914: 26
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    1916: 25
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    1918: 24
    1919: 27
    1920: 26
    1921: 31
    1922: 28
    1923: 25
    1924: 29
    1925: 24
    1926: 25
    1927: 28
    1928: 27
    1929: 25
    1930: 25
    1931: 32
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    1933: 29
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    1936 Ballot

    Alexander, Collins and Sisler were elected. Tinker expired. They were replaced by newbie Schang, returnees Konetchy and Wood, and Bancroft.

    Bancroft
    Bender
    GJ Burns
    W. Cooper
    Cravath
    Evers
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    Hooper
    Konetchy
    Leach
    Mays
    Schang
    Shocker
    Veach
    J. Wood
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    My ballot:

    Chief Bender--15th year on the ballot, 1st American Indian star. Close enough for me to give him the benefit of the doubt this go around.

    Wilbur Cooper--The strongest pitcher on the ballot and someone who fits well within our standards.

    Heinie Groh--I'm not sure why he's struggling to get elected. How many 3rd basemen were better than him? Fits well within our standards.

    Tommy Leach--15th year of eligibility. He had 66% of the vote 5 years ago. Where did his supporters disappear to? Superstar defensive ace at both 3B and CF. Is being punished for being so good that he could be used at 2 vital positions.

    Ray Schalk--Best defensive catcher to date.

    Wally Schang--Fits out standard for catchers. Comparable to the already elected Roger Bresnahan.

    Urban Shocker--Borderline but within our pitching standards.

    Bobby Veach--Fits is well with GVH, Duffy and Ryan, all of whom are in our HOF.

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    I suspect we won't elect anyone of this crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Wally Schang--Fits out standard for catchers. Comparable to the already elected Roger Bresnahan.
    One might argue that he was better than Bresnahan. He had a longer career by about 1100 PA, caught 460 more games than Bresnhan, and has a higher career OPS+ than Bresnahan (117 to 112). Bresnahan though was a better baserunner and likely gets a subjective boost over Schang due to his role in modernizing the catcher position. Schang may not have had as long and productive career as he did if not for Bresnahan's equipment innovations and popularizations. Either way you slice it though, I think Schang fits our standards though I fear an uphill battle to elect him.

    My ballot:

    Dave Bancroft
    Johnny Evers
    Heinie Groh - It's time we put him in. In a down year, I implore people to take a long look at Groh and 3B in general.
    Tommy Leach - His last year. It was a good fight, but probably not quite enough. I suspect he'll stand a decent chance with the VC.
    Del Pratt
    Wally Schang
    Bobby Veach - I think he meets the lower end of our OF standards.
    Cy Williams - I was about to drop Williams, but I fear that he might be dropped altogether and I think he's worth some extended consideration. Along with Hornsby, he was really the first of the new breed of power hitters in the NL, the first NL hitter in fact to hit 200 career homeruns (he finished with 251). He did benefit from the Baker Bowl, but his career OPS+ is 125 which is around our CF standards. Win Shares aren't too kind to him though and I'll probably drop him sooner than later.

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    Vaughn

    I added Vaugh to Cooper and Shocker all of whom are quite close. As far a C go I voted habitually for Kling so I can't see not voting for Schalk and once I did that a quick look at Schang and a 40 odd point adavntage in OPS+ makes him a must add. Glad to see I'm not the only person who had Bresnahan come to mind with respect to Schang.


    Groh, Evers and Leach are all the types of players that get over looked, namely A level defenders that were better than average but not much more at the plate.

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    My ballot...

    Bancroft, Dave
    Bender, Chief
    Cooper, Wilbur
    Evers, Johnny
    Groh, Heinie
    Hooper, Harry
    Leach, Tommy
    Mays, Carl
    Schang, Wally
    Vaughn, Hippo
    Veach, Bobby
    Williams, Cy

    Added Evers, Vaughn and Cy Williams to my ballot.

    Schang for a first-timer.
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    --Groh's support has exploded in the early going here. He looks very likely to make it. Tommy Leach is also making a strong push for his last year on the ballot. I'm hoping he holds on for election. Wally Schang is the only newcomer on my ballot. I'm not positive he belongs, but he certainly deserves a through hearing. He is at 50% as of my vote so it looks like we'll have a couple years to debate his qualifications.

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    wally schang
    urban shocker
    hippo vaughn'

    Added two pitchers there at the end, relaxing my standards a bit.

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    Groh's peak is too short and also over WWI.

    Thought about leach, but fell on the wrong side of the border.

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    Only Groh and Mays for me.

    Schang is interesting. He hit enough to go in as a catcher if he had been a great fielder too, but he wasn't. He was an important part of three different great teams, 1913-14 A's, 1918 Red Sox, 1921--23 Yankees, and even played for the 1930 A's.

    Didn't have much of a peak. Despite playing 19 seasons he only had 5307 career at bats, partially because he walked a lot, but more because he only caught 100 games 5 times in his career, with 167 games in the OF and 60 games at 3B (mainly in 1915).

    Contemporary observors thought a lot of him. He was top ten in the MVP voting in 1913 (rookie year) and 1914, but there was no MVP voting during his best years. Schalk seems to have been a little more respected by contemporary observors.

    Win shares makes him the 2nd team all star catcher for the 1910-1919 AL and the first team catcher for the 1920-1929 AL. He's probably the best catcher between Bresnahan and current stars like Hartnett, Dickey and Cochrane, who all seem to be on a level or two (or three) higher than Wally was.

    It would be nice to find an overlooked hall of famer here, but I think that he's just a notch below deserving that honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavoyBG View Post
    Didn't have much of a peak. Despite playing 19 seasons he only had 5307 career at bats, partially because he walked a lot, but more because he only caught 100 games 5 times in his career, with 167 games in the OF and 60 games at 3B (mainly in 1915).
    Just out of curiosity, but how many full time catchers to this point have had more plate appearances than Schang's 6423? Here are the PA and games caught total of some notable catchers as of 1936 (this list isn't meant to be all-inclusive, just who sprang to mind, so I could be forgetting someone):

    Plate Appearances
    1) McGuire: 6932
    2) Schang: 6423
    3) Farrell: 6254
    4) Schalk: 6217
    5) Hartnett: 5950
    6) O'Connor: 5780
    7) Robinson: 5419
    8) Bresnahan: 5374
    9) Ruel: 5292
    10) Zimmer: 5076
    11) O'Farrell: 4792
    12) Severeid: 4787
    13) Peitz: 4635
    14) Kling: 4640
    15) Wingo: 4372
    16) Bennett: 4310
    17) Warner: 3824
    18) Dickey: 3799
    19) Snyder: 3737
    20) Ferrell: 3615
    21) Meyers: 3226
    22) Gowdy: 3143

    Games Caught
    1) Schalk: 1727
    2) McGuire: 1611
    3) Cochrane: 1451
    4) Hartnett: 1465
    5) Schang: 1435
    6) Ruel: 1410
    7) O'Farrell: 1338
    8) Robinson: 1316
    9) Zimmer: 1239
    10) Wingo: 1233
    11) Severeid: 1225
    12) Kling: 1168
    13) Warner: 1032
    14) Bresnahan: 974
    15) Peitz: 960
    16) Bennett: 954
    17) Dickey: 923
    18) Meyers: 911
    19) Gowdy: 893
    20) Ferrell: 891
    21) Snyder: 877
    22) O'Connor: 860

    Schang would appear to be about as durable as any catcher has been to this point in the game's history. Further, his 117 OPS+, over what was a long career for a catcher, is a good chunk ahead of most every other catcher who played prior to the Hartnett/Cochrane/Dickey trio. Catchers would typically struggle just to get an OPS+ that approached 100 for a season, let alone for an entire career, and Schang put up 117 in what has to date been one of the longest careers for a catcher. I think he's done enough.

    I also think the Win Shares feat you mentioned is very much in Schang's favor. Considering catchers typically have short careers to this point in history, to make the first and second Win Shares All Star teams in two different decades is a pretty impressive accomplishment.

    I think you might be viewing Schang too much with 2009 eyes (given that you said "It would be nice to find an overlooked hall of famer here," implying that he's been overlooked by Cooperstown). By our standards and the history of the game through 1936, Schang would appear, IMO, to be a worthy choice.
    Last edited by DoubleX; 01-22-2009 at 09:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleX View Post
    Just out of curiosity, but how many full time catchers to this point have had more plate appearances than Schang's 6423? Here are the PA and games caught total of some notable catchers as of 1936 (this list isn't meant to be all-inclusive, just who sprang to mind, so I could be forgetting someone):

    Plate Appearances
    1) McGuire: 6932
    2) Schang: 6423
    3) Farrell: 6254
    4) Schalk: 6217
    5) Hartnett: 5950
    6) O'Connor: 5780
    7) Robinson: 5419
    8) Bresnahan: 5374
    9) Ruel: 5292
    10) Zimmer: 5076
    11) O'Farrell: 4792
    12) Severeid: 4787
    13) Peitz: 4635
    14) Kling: 4640
    15) Wingo: 4372
    16) Bennett: 4310
    17) Warner: 3824
    18) Dickey: 3799
    19) Snyder: 3737
    20) Ferrell: 3615
    21) Meyers: 3226
    22) Gowdy: 3143

    Games Caught
    1) Schalk: 1727
    2) McGuire: 1611
    3) Cochrane: 1451
    4) Hartnett: 1465
    5) Schang: 1435
    6) Ruel: 1410
    7) O'Farrell: 1338
    8) Robinson: 1316
    9) Zimmer: 1239
    10) Wingo: 1233
    11) Severeid: 1225
    12) Kling: 1168
    13) Warner: 1032
    14) Bresnahan: 974
    15) Peitz: 960
    16) Bennett: 954
    17) Dickey: 923
    18) Meyers: 911
    19) Gowdy: 893
    20) Ferrell: 891
    21) Snyder: 877
    22) O'Connor: 860

    Schang would appear to be about as durable as any catcher has been to this point in the game's history.

    I think you might be viewing Schang too much with 2009 eyes (given that you said "It would be nice to find an overlooked hall of famer here," implying that he's been overlooked by Cooperstown). By our standards and the history of the game through 1936, Schang would appear, IMO, to be a worthy choice.
    My bad, sorry about the "overlooked" comment. Hard to always keep that in mind.

    I must dispute you categorizing him as "durable as any catcher has been to this point in the game's history."

    His "longevity" was great, but his "durability" was not so great. He only caught 100 games 5 times in any season, while Schalk did that 12 times, 11 of them over 120 games. Ruel caught 100 games in a season 8 times in a row. In his short career Chief Meyers caught over 100 games in 5 consecutive seasons. Schang only caught over 120 games one time.

    To me "durability" means playing a lot within each season. Hartnett has already caught 100 games ten times. Cochrane has done it in all 11 of his seasons to date.
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    Blank Ballot. I'm closest on Groh, but his career and peak were too short for me

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    Blank Ballot. I'm closest on Groh, but his career and peak were too short for me
    Please elaborate on this as Groh's career was not short.

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    I'd say only 12 seasons that are anything close to a full season is pretty short. His peak as far all star level players isn't really short. 6 or 7 years of top quality play is pretty good for most players. Problem is though that he doesn't then have the 10 or so years of average to above average play like most of those all star players have that make them HoF'ers. If you are going to have a short career it probably helps to have a Ralph Kiner like peak.

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    Ralph Kiner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous View Post
    I'd say only 12 seasons that are anything close to a full season is pretty short. His peak as far all star level players isn't really short. 6 or 7 years of top quality play is pretty good for most players. Problem is though that he doesn't then have the 10 or so years of average to above average play like most of those all star players have that make them HoF'ers. If you are going to have a short career it probably helps to have a Ralph Kiner like peak.
    I think the argument can be made that his peak, for a 3B as of 1936, was at that level. But the shortness of his full-time career does make him very borderline, for me at least.

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    Huh? You people who think Groh is borderline, because he had an excellent peak without enough padding, whyd some of you vote for Addie Joss? He had no padding whatsoever and his peak was no more impressive then Heinie Groh. What about Hughie Jennings? Hes in too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwiggins View Post
    I think the argument can be made that his peak, for a 3B as of 1936, was at that level. But the shortness of his full-time career does make him very borderline, for me at least.

    For those who think that Groh was borderline, keep in mind that only two National League teams won the world series in the ten year period from 1915 to 1924 (Reds once, Giants twice), and .....

    Groh was the captain of both teams !!!



    Okay, so they had a little help in '19. These things happen

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