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  • Dave Bancroft, SS (1915-1930) - 3rd Year

    7 20.00%
  • Rube Bressler, LF (1914-1932) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • George J. Burns, LF (1911-1925) - 8th Year

    4 11.43%
  • Rip Collins, SP (1920-1931) - 2nd Year

    0 0%
  • Wilbur Cooper, SP (1912-1926) - 7th Year

    15 42.86%
  • Gavvy Cravath, RF (1908-1909, 1912-1920) - 13th Year

    8 22.86%
  • Pete Donohue, SP (1921-1932) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Joe Dugan, 3B (1917-1929, 1931) - 2nd Year

    0 0%
  • Johnny Evers, 2B (1902-1917, 1922, 1929) - 12th Year

    10 28.57%
  • Larry Gardner, 3B (1908-1924) - 9th Year

    3 8.57%
  • Mike Gonzalez, C (1912, 1914-1921, 1924-1929, 1931-1932) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Cliff Heathcote, RF/CF (1918-1932) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Harry Heilmann, RF (1914, 1916-1930, 1932) - 1st Year

    31 88.57%
  • Harry Hooper, RF (1909-1925) - 8th Year

    6 17.14%
  • Charlie Jamieson, LF (1915-1932) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Ed Konetchy, 1B (1907-1921) - 12th Year

    5 14.29%
  • Rube Marquard, SP (1908-1925) - 8th Year

    4 11.43%
  • Carl Mays, SP (1915-1929) - 4th Year

    18 51.43%
  • Bob Meusel, LF/RF (1920-1930) - 3rd Year

    2 5.71%
  • Clarence Mitchell, SP (1911, 1916-1932) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Del Pratt, 2B (1912-1924) - 9th Year

    5 14.29%
  • Eddie Rommel, SP (1920-1932) - 1st Year

    1 2.86%
  • Ray Schalk, C (1912-1929) - 4th Year

    7 20.00%
  • Wally Schang, C (1913-1931) - 2nd Year

    11 31.43%
  • Bill Sherdel, SP (1918-1932) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Urban Shocker, SP (1916-1928) - 5th Year

    10 28.57%
  • Hippo Vaughn, SP (1908, 1910-1921) - 12th Year

    5 14.29%
  • Bobby Veach, LF (1912-1925) - 8th Year

    9 25.71%
  • Cy Williams, CF (1912-1930) - 3rd Year

    4 11.43%
  • Joe Wood, SP (1908-1915, 1917, 1919-1920) - 11th Year

    2 5.71%
  • Ross Youngs, RF (1917-1926) - 7th Year

    4 11.43%
  • George Kelly, 1B (1915-1917, 1919-1930, 1932) - 1st Year

    1 2.86%
  • None of the Above (Blank Ballot)

    0 0%
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Thread: BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1937

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    BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1937

    PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING!

    Format and Rules
    Voting Rules: Voters may vote for between 0-15 candidates. Votes will be made public, and voters are encouraged to post their ballots in the thread and not view results before voting. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR BALLOT TO 15 VOTES AT MOST. EXCESS VOTES MAY RESULT IN YOUR BALLOT BEING DISQUALIFIED.
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    Required Support: Players receiving at least 75% support in an election will be elected. Players need at least 5% support to stay on the ballot, with an exception for first-year eligible players, who will need at least 1 vote to appear on the next ballot.

    Player Eligibility: Players eligible for an election will have last played at least 5 years prior to the election year and have appeared in at least 10 Major League seasons . If a player appeared in less than 10 seasons, he may still be eligible if he had a minimum of 3000 ABs or 1500 IP, though extra scrutiny will be applied. Players will remain on the ballot for 15 years, provided they continue to receive at least 5% of the vote, at which point they will become indefinitely eligible for periodic elections conducted by the Veterans Committee.
    - Age Exception: For players 40 or older, they will become eligible the later of either 5 years after their last year of continuous play, or their first inactive year at age 45 or older.

    Election Period: Elections will close exactly one week after starting. The next election might not commence for another day or two.


    1937 Guide
    There are 32 candidates on the 1937 ballot – 22 holdovers and 10 first timers. First time eligible players last played in 1932 (unless qualifying under the age rule).

    First Timers (10)
    Rube Bressler
    Pete Donohue
    Mike Gonzalez
    Cliff Heathcote
    Harry Heilmann
    Charlie Jamieson
    George Kelly
    Clarence Mitchell
    Eddie Rommel
    Bill Sherdel

    Holdovers (22)
    Code:
    Player			Year of Eligibility	Previous Support	High Support		Low Support		Average Support
    Dave Bancroft		3rd			28.13%			28.13% (1936)		27.27% (1935)		27.70%
    George J. Burns		8th			15.63%			24.00% (1930)		9.09% (1935)		17.14%
    Rip Collins		2nd			3.13%			3.13% (1936)		3.13% (1936)		3.13%
    Wilbur Cooper		7th			50.00%			58.33% (1932)		33.33% (1935)		46.78%
    Gavvy Cravath		13th			28.13%			37.50% (1925)		18.18% (1935)		26.39%
    Joe Dugan		2nd			3.13%			3.13% (1936)		3.13% (1936)		3.13%
    Johnny Evers		12th			37.50%			41.67% (1932)		21.21% (1935)		29.34%
    Larry Gardner		9th			6.25%			15.63% (1931)		6.25% (1936)		9.17%
    Harry Hooper		8th			15.63%			34.38% (1931)		15.63% (1936)		23.19%
    Ed Konetchy		12th			15.63%			16.67% (1932)		8.00% (1929)		12.03%
    Rube Marquard		8th			9.38%			28.00% (1930)		9.38% (1936)		18.68%
    Carl Mays		4th			46.88%			50.00% (1934)		45.45% (1935)		47.44%
    Bob Meusel		3rd			6.25%			9.09% (1935)		6.25% (1936)		7.67%
    Del Pratt		9th			9.38%			20.83% (1932)		9.38% (1936)		14.76%
    Ray Schalk		4th			18.75%			25.00% (1934)		18.18% (1935)		20.64%
    Wally Schang		2nd			34.38%			34.38% (1936)		34.38% (1936)		34.38%
    Urban Shocker		5th			34.38%			35.71% (1933)		24.24% (1935)		31.34%
    Hippo Vaughn		12th			18.75%			21.43% (1934)		10.71% (1927)		15.89%
    Bobby Veach		8th			31.25%			39.29% (1934)		24.00% (1930)		30.96%
    Cy Williams		3rd			12.50%			15.15% (1935)		12.50% (1936)		13.83%
    Joe Wood		11th			9.38%			35.71% (1927)		9.38% (1936)		20.77%
    Ross Youngs		7th			6.25%			12.50% (1931)		6.25% (1936)		9.47%
    Holdovers Dropped from Last Election (3)
    Code:
    Player			Reason			Years on Ballot		High Support		Low Support		Average Support 
    Chief Bender		End of Eligibility	15			60.00% (1929)		35.71% (1934)		45.26%
    Tommy Leach		End of Eligibility	15			66.67% (1933)		33.33% (1925)		49.60%
    Ed Reulbach		End of Eligibility	15			17.24% (1924)		6.90% (1934)		11.44%
    Last Year of Eligibility (0)
    Code:
    Player			High Support
    Penultimate Year of Eligibility (0)
    Code:
    Player			High Support
    Holdovers Receiving At Least 50% in the Previous Election (1)
    Code:
    Player			Previous Support	Years with At Least 50% Support
    Wilbur Cooper		50.00%			3

    HALL OF FAMERS

    Players Elected (79)
    Code:
    Player			Year Elected	Election Percentage	Years on Ballot		Position		Primary Team				Active Years				Total Seasons		Living/Deceased		Age at Election
    Pete Alexander		1935		93.94%			1			Pitcher			Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1911-1930				20			Living - Age 50		48
    Cap Anson		1902		100%			1			First Base		Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1871-1897				27			Deceased (1852-1922)	50
    Frank Baker		1927		96.43%			1			Third Base		Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1908-1914, 1916-1919, 1921-1922		13			Living - Age 51		41
    Ross Barnes^		1911		76.00%			11			Second Base		Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1879, 1881				9			Deceased (1850-1915)	61
    Jake Beckley		1917		76.00%			6			First Base		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1887-1907				20			Deceased (1867-1918)	50
    Charlie Bennett		1907		75.00%			7			Catcher			Detroit Wolverines (NL)			1878, 1880-1893				15			Deceased (1854-1927)	53
    Roger Bresnahan		1925		79.17%			6			Catcher			New York Giants (NL)			1897, 1900-1915				17			Living - Age 56		46
    Dan Brouthers		1901		90.00%			1			First Base		Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1879-1896, 1904				18			Deceased (1858-1932)	50
    Mordecai Brown		1921		96.77%			1			Pitcher			Chicago Cubs (NL)			1903-1916				14			Living – Age 61		45
    Pete Browning		1909		77.27%			9			Center Field/Left Field	Louisville Colonels (NL/AA)		1882-1894				13			Deceased (1861-1905)	Deceased
    Jesse Burkett		1910		92.00%			1			Left field		Cleveland Spiders (NL)			1890-1905				16			Living – Age 69		42
    Max Carey		1934		82.14%			1			Center Field		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1910-1929				20			Living - Age 47		44
    Bob Caruthers		1909		77.27%			9			Pitcher/Right Field	St. Louis Browns (Cardinals) (NL/AA)	1884-1893				10			Deceased (1864-1911)	45
    Frank Chance		1932		83.33%			14			First Base		Chicago Cubs (NL)			1898-1914				17			Deceased (1876-1924)	Deceased	
    Cupid Childs		1920		76.92%			15			Second Base		Cleveland Spiders (NL)			1888, 1890-1901				13			Deceased (1867-1912)	Deceased
    Fred Clarke		1917		88.00%			1			Left Field		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1894-1915				21			Living – Age 69		45
    John Clarkson		1901		90.00%			1			Pitcher			Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1882, 1884-1894				12			Deceased  (1861-1909)	40
    Ty Cobb			1933		96.55%			1			Center Field		Detroit Tigers (AL)			1905-1928				24			Living - Age 51		47
    Eddie Collins		1935		96.67%			1			Second Base		Chicago White Sox (AL)			1906-1930				25			Living Age - 50		48
    Jimmy Collins		1913		82.61%			1			Third Base		Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL)		1895-1908				14			Living – Age 67		43
    Roger Connor		1902		79.17%			1			First Base		New York Giants (NL)			1880-1897				18			Deceased (1857-1931)	45
    Stan Coveleski		1934		89.29%			2			Pitcher			Cleveland Indians (AL)			1912, 1916-1928				14			Living - Age 48		45
    Sam Crawford		1922		92.86%			1			Right Field		Detroit Tigers (AL)			1899-1917				19			Living – Age 57		41
    Bill Dahlen		1916		88.00%			1			Shortstop		Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1891-1911				21			Living – Age 67		46
    George Davis		1914		84.62%			1			Shortstop		New York Giants (NL)			1890-1909				20			Living – Age 67		44
    Ed Delahanty		1908		96.00%			1			Left Field		Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1888-1903				16			Deceased (1867-1903)	Deceased
    Larry Doyle		1926		76.00%			2			Second Base		New York Giants (NL)			1907-1920				14			Living - Age 51		40
    Hugh Duffy		1918		75.00%			8			Center Field/Outfield	Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1888-1901, 1904-1906			17			Living – Age 71		52
    Buck Ewing		1902		83.33%			1			Catcher			New York Giants (NL)			1880-1897				18			Deceased (1859-1906)	43
    Elmer Flick		1916		80.00%			1			Right Field		Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1898-1910				13			Living – Age 61		40
    Pud Galvin		1903		80.77%			3			Pitcher			Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1875, 1879-1892				15			Deceased (1856-1902)	Deceased
    Jack Glasscock		1911		84.00%			11			Shortstop		Cleveland Blues (NL)			1879-1895				17			Living – Age 80		54
    George Gore		1909		77.27%			9			Center Field		Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1879-1892				14			Deceased (1857-1933)	52
    Heinie Groh		1936		81.25%			5			Third Base		Cincinnati Reds (NL)			1912-1927				16			Living - Age 48		47
    Billy Hamilton		1906		82.61%			1			Center Field		Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1888-1901				14			Living – Age 71		40
    Paul Hines		1904		76.00%			4			Center Field		Providence Grays (NL)			1872-1891				20			Deceased (1855-1935)	49
    Hughie Jennings		1927		75.00%			14			Shortstop		Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1891-1903, 1907, 1909, 1912, 1918	17			Deceased (1869-1928)	58
    Walter Johnson		1932		100%			1			Pitcher			Washington Senators (AL)		1907-1927				21			Living - Age 50		45
    Addie Joss		1929		76.00%			15			Pitcher			Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1902-1910				9			Deceased (1880-1911)	Deceased
    Tim Keefe		1901		75.00%			1			Pitcher			New York Giants (NL)			1880-1893				14			Deceased (1857-1933)	44
    Willie Keeler		1916		92.00%			2			Right Field		Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1892-1910				19			Deceased (1872-1923)	44
    Joe Kelley		1920		84.62%			8			Left Field		Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1891-1906, 1908				17			Living – Age 66		49
    King Kelly		1902		75.00%			2			Right Field/Catcher	Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1878-1893				16			Deceased (1857-1894)	Deceased
    Napoleon Lajoie		1921		96.77%			1			Second Base		Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1896-1916				21			Living – Age 63		47
    Herman Long*		1925 (VC)	75.00% 			VC			Shortstop		Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1889-1904				16			Deceased (1866-1909)	Deceased
    Sherry Magee		1924		86.21%			1			Left Field		Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1904-1919				16			Deceased (1884-1929)	40	
    Christy Mathewson	1922		93.55%			1			Pitcher			New York Giants (NL)			1900-1916				17			Deceased (1880-1925)	41
    Joe McGinnity		1913		91.30%			1			Pitcher			New York Giants (NL)			1899-1908				10			Deceased (1871-1929)	42
    Bid McPhee		1905		75.00%			2			Second Base		Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA)			1882-1899				18			Living – Age 78		46
    Cal McVey*^		1920 (VC)	83.33%			VC			Catcher/First Base	Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1879				9			Deceased (1849-1926)	71
    Tony Mullane		1908		80.00%			8			Pitcher			Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA)			1881-1894				14			Living – Age 77		49
    Kid Nichols		1911		100%			1			Pitcher			Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1890-1901, 1904-1906			15			Living – Age 68		42
    Jim O’Rourke		1901		90.00%			1			Left Field/Utility	New York Giants (NL)			1872-1893, 1904				23			Deceased (1850-1919)	51
    Dickey Pearce*^		1920 (VC)	100%			VC			Shortstop		Brooklyn  Atlantics (NA)		1871-1877				7			Deceased (1836-1908)	Deceased
    Lip Pike*^		1920 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Center Field		Baltimore Canaries (NA)			1871-1878, 1881, 1887			10			Deceased (1845-1893)	Deceased
    Eddie Plank		1922		92.86%			1			Pitcher			Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1901-1917				17			Deceased (1875-1926)	47
    Charley Radbourn	1901		95.00%			1			Pitcher			Providence Grays (NL)			1881-1891				11			Deceased (1854-1897)	Deceased
    Hardy Richardson*	1920 (VC)	91.67%			VC			Second Base/Left Field	Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1879-1892				14			Deceased (1855-1931)	65
    Amos Rusie		1906		78.26%			1			Pitcher			New York Giants (NL)			1889-1895, 1897-1898, 1901		10			Living – Age 66		35
    Jimmy Ryan*		1930 (VC)	86.67%			VC			Center Field		Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1885-1900, 1902-1903			18			Deceased (1885-1923)	Deceased
    George Sisler		1935		90.91%			1			First Base		St. Louis Browns (AL)			1915-1922, 1924-1930			15			Living - Age 44		42
    Al Spalding^		1915		80.00%			15			Pitcher			Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1878				8			Deceased (1850-1915)	Deceased
    Tris Speaker		1933		100%			1			Center Field		Cleveland Indians (AL)			1907-1928				22			Living - Age 49		45
    Joe Start*^		1920 (VC)	91.67%			VC			First Base		Providence Grays (NL)			1871-1886				16			Deceased (1842-1927)	78		
    Harry Stovey		1907		75.00%			7			Left Field/First Base	Philadelphia Athletics (AA)		1880-1893				14			Deceased (1856-1937)	51
    Ezra Sutton*		1920 (VC)	83.33%			VC			Third Base		Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1871-1888				18			Deceased (1850-1907)	Deceased
    Sam Thompson		1907		79.17%			5			Right Field		Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1885-1898, 1906				15			Deceased (1860-1922)	47
    George Van Haltren	1918		75.00%			11			Center Field		New York Giants (NL)			1887-1903				17			Living – Age 71		52
    Rube Waddell		1915		84.00%			1			Pitcher			Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1897, 1899-1910				13			Deceased (1876-1914)	Deceased
    Honus Wagner		1922		92.86%			1			Shortstop		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1897-1917				21			Living – Age 63		48
    Bobby Wallace		1925		75.00%			3			Shortstop		St. Louis Browns (AL)			1894-1918				25			Living - Age 64		52
    Ed Walsh		1922		89.29%			1			Pitcher			Chicago White Sox (AL)			1904-1917				14			Living – Age 56		41
    John Ward		1907		75.00%			7			Shortstop/Pitcher	New York Giants (NL)			1878-1894				17			Deceased (1860-1925)	47
    Mickey Welch*		1920 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Pitcher			New York Giants (NL)			1880-1892				13			Living – Age 78		61
    Zack Wheat		1932		87.50%			1			Left Field		Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL)		1909-1927				19			Living - Age 49		44
    Deacon White^		1904		76.00%			4			Catcher/Third Base	Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1871-1890				20			Living – Age 90		57
    Vic Willis		1919		77.78%			5			Pitcher			Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1898-1910				13			Living – Age 61		43
    George Wright^		1907		75.00%			7			Shortstop		Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1882				12			Deceased (1847-1937)	60
    Cy Young		1916		100%			1			Pitcher			Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL)		1890-1911				22			Living – Age 70		49
    
    * = Elected by Veterans Committee
    ^ = Played Significantly Prior to 1871
    Players Elected by Primary Position
    Catcher (5): Charlie Bennett, Roger Bresnahan, Buck Ewing, Cal McVey, Deacon White
    First Base (7): Cap Anson, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers, Frank Chance, Roger Connor, George Sisler, Joe Start
    Second Base (7): Ross Barnes, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Napoleon Lajoie, Bid McPhee, Hardy Richardson
    Third Base (4): Frank Baker, Jimmy Collins, Heinie Groh, Ezra Sutton
    Shortstop (10): Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Herman Long, Dickey Pearce, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, John Ward, George Wright
    Left Field (8): Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Joe Kelley, Sherry Magee, Jim O'Rourke, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat
    Center Field (11): Pete Browning, Max Carey, Ty Cobb, Hugh Duffy, George Gore, Billy Hamilton, Paul Hines, Lip Pike, Jimmy Ryan, Tris Speaker, George Van Haltren
    Right Field (5): Sam Crawford, King Kelly, Elmer Flick, Willie Keeler, Sam Thompson
    Pitcher (22): Pete Alexander, Mordecai Brown, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Stan Coveleski, Pud Galvin, Walter Johnson, Addie Joss, Tim Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Tony Mullane, Kid Nichols, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Amos Rusie, Al Spalding, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Mickey Welch, Vic Willis, Cy Young

    Players Elected by Year
    1901 (5): Dan Brouthers, John Clarkson, Tim Keefe, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn
    1902 (4): Cap Anson, Roger Connor, Buck Ewing, King Kelly
    1903 (1): Pud Galvin
    1904 (2): Paul Hines, Deacon White
    1905 (1): Bid McPhee
    1906 (2): Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie
    1907 (5): Charlie Bennett, Harry Stovey, Sam Thompson, John Ward, George Wright
    1908 (2): Ed Delahanty, Tony Mullane
    1909 (3): Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, George Gore
    1910 (1): Jesse Burkett
    1911 (3): Ross Barnes, Jack Glasscock, Kid Nichols
    1912 (0):
    1913 (2):
    Jimmy Collins, Joe McGinnity
    1914 (1): George Davis
    1915 (2): Al Spalding, Rube Waddell
    1916 (4): Bill Dahlen, Elmer Flick, Willie Keeler, Cy Young
    1917 (2): Jake Beckley, Fred Clarke
    1918 (2): Hugh Duffy, George Van Haltren
    1919 (1): Vic Willis
    1920 (2): Cupid Childs, Joe Kelley
    - 1920 VC (7): Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Mickey Welch
    1921 (3): Mordecai Brown, Napoleon Lajoie, Christy Mathewson
    1922 (4): Sam Crawford, Eddie Plank, Honus Wagner, Ed Walsh
    1923 (0):
    1924 (1):
    Sherry Magee
    1925 (2): Roger Bresnahan, Bobby Wallace
    - 1925 VC (1): Herman Long
    1926 (1): Larry Doyle
    1927 (2): Frank Baker, Hughie Jennings
    1928 (0):
    1929 (1): Addie Joss
    1930 (0):
    - 1930 VC (1):
    Jimmy Ryan
    1931 (0):
    1932 (3): Frank Chance, Walter Johnson, Zack Wheat
    1933 (2): Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker
    1934 (2): Max Carey, Stan Coveleski
    1935 (3): Pete Alexander, Eddie Collins, George Sisler
    - 1935 VC (0):
    1936 (1): Heinie Groh

    Players Elected by Primary Decade
    1870s (9): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Al Spalding, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Deacon White, George Wright
    1880s (21): Cap Anson, Charlie Bennett, Dan Brouthers, Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Conner, Buck Ewing, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, George Gore, Paul Hines, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Tony Mullane, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn, Hardy Richardson, Harry Stovey, John Ward, Mickey Welch
    1890s (17): Jake Beckley, Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Ed Delahanty, Hugh Duffy, Billy Hamilton, Hughie Jennings, Joe Kelley, Herman Long, Bid McPhee, Kid Nichols, Jimmy Ryan, Amos Rusie, Sam Thompson, George Van Haltren
    1900s (19): Roger Bresnahan, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Fred Clarke, Jimmy Collins, Sam Crawford, Elmer Flick, Addie Joss, Willie Keeler, Napoleon Lajoie, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Eddie Plank, Rube Waddell, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Ed Walsh, Vic Willis, Cy Young
    1910s (12): Pete Alexander, Frank Baker , Max Carey, Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Heinie Groh, Walter Johnson, Sherry Magee, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat
    1920s (2): Stan Coveleski, George Sisler

    Players Elected by Primary Organization
    Baltimore Canaries (NA) (1): Lip Pike
    Baltimore Orioles (NL) (3): Hughie Jennings, Willie Keeler, Joe Kelley
    Boston Braves (fka Beaneaters) (NL) (6): John Clarkson, Hugh Duffy, Herman Long, Kid Nichols, Ezra Sutton, Vic Willis
    Boston Red Sox (fka Americans) (AL) (2): Jimmy Collins, Cy Young
    Boston Red Stockings (NA) (4): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Al Spalding, George Wright
    Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) (1): Dickey Pearce
    Brooklyn Dodgers (fka Robins) (1): Zack Wheat
    Buffalo Bisons (NL) (4): Dan Brouthers, Pud Galvin, Hardy Richardson, Deacon White
    Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NL) (7): Cap Anson, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Bill Dahlen, George Gore, King Kelly, Jimmy Ryan
    Chicago White Sox (AL) (2): Eddie Collins, Ed Walsh
    Cincinnati Reds (NL, AA) (3): Heinie Groh, Bid McPhee, Tony Mullane
    Cleveland Blues (NL) (1): Jack Glasscock
    Cleveland Indians (fka Naps) (AL) (5): Stan Coveleski, Elmer Flick, Addie Joss, Napoleon Lajoie, Tris Speaker
    Cleveland Spiders (NL) (2): Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs
    Detroit Tigers (AL) (2): Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford
    Detroit Wolverines (NL) (1): Charlie Bennett
    Louisville Colonels (NL, AA) (1): Pete Browning
    New York Giants (NL) (13): Roger Bresnahan, Roger Connor, George Davis, Larry Doyle, Buck Ewing, Tim Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jim O’Rourke, Amos Rusie, George Van Haltren, John Ward, Mickey Welch
    Philadelphia Athletics (AL) (3): Frank Baker, Eddie Plank, Rube Waddell
    Philadelphia Athletics (AA) (1): Harry Stovey
    Philadelphia Phillies (NL) (5): Pete Alexander, Ed Delahanty, Billy Hamilton, Sherry Magee, Sam Thompson
    Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) (4): Jake Beckley, Max Carey, Fred Clarke, Honus Wagner
    Providence Grays (NL) (3): Paul Hines, Charley Radbourn, Joe Start
    St. Louis Browns (AL) (2): George Sisler, Bobby Wallace
    St. Louis Cardinals (fka Browns) (NL, AA) (1): Bob Caruthers
    Washington Senators (AL) (1): Walter Johnson


    Miscellaneous Information
    - Highest Regular Election Percentage: Cap Anson, Walter Johnson, Kid Nichols, Tris Speaker, Cy Young – 100%
    - Number of 1st Ballot Electees: 37
    - Number of Electees with At Least 90% Support: 24
    - Average Regular Election Percentage: 84.88%
    - Most Years on Ballot Before Election: Cupid Childs, Addie Joss, Al Spalding – 15
    - Number of Players Elected After 10 Years on Ballot: 8
    - Average Wait Before Election: 3.93 Years
    - Number of Players Lasting 15 Years on Ballot without Election: 24
    - Number of Players Elected by Veterans Committee: 9
    - Average Electees per Veterans Committee Election: 2.25
    - Highest Percentage Among Players Not Elected: Tommy Leach - 66.67% (1933)
    - Highest Average Percentage Among Players Not Elected: Tommy Leach - 49.60%
    - Most Regular Election Electees in One Year: 5 (1901, 1907)
    - Fewest Regular Election Electees in One Year: 0 (1912, 1923, 1928, 1930, 1931)
    - Average Regular Election Electees Per Year: 2
    - Largest Ballot: 78 Players (1901)
    - Largest Post-1915 Ballot: 47 Players (1932)
    - Smallest Ballot: 23 Players (1918)
    - Most Votes Cast: 33 (1935)
    - Fewest Votes Cast: 20 (1901)
    - Average Votes Cast: 25.94
    - Team With Most Players Elected: New York Giants - 13
    - Team With Second Most Players Elected: Chicago Cubs - 7
    - Electee with Longest Post-1871 Career: Cap Anson – 27 Seasons
    - Electee with Shortest Post-1871 Career: Dickey Pearce – 8 Seasons
    - Average Post-1871 Career Length of Electees: 16.17 Seasons
    - Youngest Elected Player: Amos Rusie – Age 35
    - Oldest Elected Player: Joe Start – 78
    - Average Age at Election: 47.95
    - Number of Posthumously Elected Players: 15
    - Number of Living Hall of Famers: 40
    - Oldest Living Hall of Famer: Deacon White - 90
    - Deceased in Past Year: Harry Stovey, George Wright

    Number of Ballots Submitted in Past Elections
    1901: 20
    1902: 24
    1903: 26
    1904: 25
    1905: 24
    1906: 23
    1907: 24
    1908: 25
    1909: 22
    1910: 25
    1911: 25
    1912: 23
    1913: 23
    1914: 26
    1915: 25
    1916: 25
    1917: 25
    1918: 24
    1919: 27
    1920: 26
    1921: 31
    1922: 28
    1923: 25
    1924: 29
    1925: 24
    1926: 25
    1927: 28
    1928: 27
    1929: 25
    1930: 25
    1931: 32
    1932: 24
    1933: 29
    1934: 28
    1935: 33
    1936: 32

    Links to Past Elections (10)
    1901
    1902
    1903
    1904
    1905
    1906
    1907
    1908
    1909
    1910
    1911
    1912
    1913
    1914
    1915
    1916
    1917
    1918
    1919
    1920, 1920 Players VC
    1921
    1922
    1923
    1924
    1925, 1925 Players VC
    1926
    1927
    1928
    1929
    1930, 1930 Players VC
    1931
    1932
    1933
    1934
    1935, 1935 Players VC
    1936
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    My ballot...

    Dave Bancroft
    Wilbur Cooper
    Johnny Evers
    Harry Heilmann
    Harry Hooper
    Carl Mays
    Ray Schalk
    Wally Schang
    Urban Shocker
    Hippo Vaughn
    Bobby Veach
    Cy Williams

    Added Ray Schalk and Urban Shocker. Could be convinced to add Cravath and Konetchy next ballot.
    First timer Harry Heilmann should be a no-brainer. Should be.
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    Shortest ballot to date:

    Wilbur Cooper
    Ray Schalk
    Wally Schang
    Urban Shocker
    Bobby Veach

    and none of them are guys I feel strongly enough about to take on their cause. With Tommy Leach expiring, he is the first guy since the 1st VC committee who I think is an oversight. Overall, the general electorate is doing a great job getting the guys most deserving elected.

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    Dave Bancroft
    George Burns
    Gavvy Cravath
    Johnny Evers
    Harry Heilmann
    Harry Hooper
    Rube Marquard
    Carl Mays
    Bobby Veach
    Ross Youngs
    Cy Williams

    1. Harry Heilmann
    2. Bobby Veach
    3. Carl Mays
    4. Gavvy Cravath
    5. Cy Williams
    6. George J Burns
    7. Ross Youngs
    8. Dave Bancroft
    9. Rube Marquard
    10. Harry Hooper
    11. Johnny Evers

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    Down to 10 this season

    Vaughn
    Shocker
    Schang
    Meusel
    Mays
    Marquard
    Hooper
    Heilmann
    Gardner
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    I went for just Heilmann and Mays. Heilmann is more than qualified, but let me make a case for Mays:

    Mays has 256 career win shares. That is more than the following hall of famers: Stan Coveleski, Addie Joss, Al Spalding, Rube Waddell

    Mays has a career ERA+ of 119 (in over 3,000 innings). That is better than the ERA+ of the following hall of famers: Pud Galvin, Tony Mullane, Mickey Welch, Vic Willis

    Mays matches up very well with Joe McGinnity:

    CAREER WIN SHARES
    Mays - 256
    McGinnity - 269

    WIN SHARES per 162
    Mays - 29.46
    McGinnity - 29.52

    ERA+
    Mays - 119 in 3021 innings
    McGinnity - 120 in 3441 innings

    McGinnity's peak was better, but mainly because pitchers worked so many more innings in his day than in Mays' day. Mays was above average in 14 out of 15 seasons, only missing in 1923 when Huggins refused to use him much.

    Mays has a career win% of .623 (208-126), which is higher than any of our hall of famers except for Caruthers, Mathewson, Clarkson, Brown, Alexander, Nichols, McGinnity and Plank.

    Other than Bob Caruthers, Mays may be the best hitting pitcher of all time. He had a higher average as a hitter (.268) than he yielded as a pitcher (.257).

    Bill James ranks Mays ahead of hall of famers McGinnity, Clarkson, Radbourn, Waddell, Keefe, Coveleski, Joss, Mullane, Willis, Caruthers, Welch and Galvin.

    Mays win shares peak is better than that of Plank or Joss.

    BEST THREE SEASONS
    Mays - 35-30-27
    Plank - 31-29-29
    Joss - 35-28-25

    BEST 5 CONSECUTIVE SEASONS
    Mays - 140
    Plank - 133
    Joss - 131

    He twice led the AL in saves with 7 in 1915 and 1921 (tied).

    The numbers are there. The arguments against are mainly emotional, the pitch he hit Chapman with back in 1920 (a good argument for players wearing some kind of head protection when batting), and unproven suspicions of him tanking a world series game (or two) in 1921 and/or 1922.

    I think Carl Mays deserves your vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SavoyBG View Post
    The numbers are there. The arguments against are mainly emotional, the pitch he hit Chapman with back in 1920 (a good argument for players wearing some kind of head protection when batting), and unproven suspicions of him tanking a world series game (or two) in 1921 and/or 1922.

    I think Carl Mays deserves your vote.
    The correct argument against is the huge defensive and offensive support he got. The Boston, N.Y. and Cinncinati defenses he played for were all very good - his defensive adjusted ERA+ is nowhere near 119. His career run support index is (if I am not mistaken) well over 105. For a guy with less-than-overwhelming HOF numbers to begin with, that is a big deal.

    Now, how much does his big bat offset this? I am not sure. Maybe enough? I am not sure. I need to look into it more. Not trying to bash Mays here- underrated, forgotten, and given a bum wrap for the "incident" and yet to be proven alleged game-fixing. I am just not sure that his adjusted numbers warrant Cooperstown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Shortest ballot to date:

    Wilbur Cooper
    Ray Schalk
    Wally Schang
    Urban Shocker
    Bobby Veach

    and none of them are guys I feel strongly enough about to take on their cause. With Tommy Leach expiring, he is the first guy since the 1st VC committee who I think is an oversight. Overall, the general electorate is doing a great job getting the guys most deserving elected.
    What's your objection to Heilmann, if I may ask?

    Do you see Leach as more qualified to be inducted than Heilmann?

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    Looking ahead already (boring year), next year's not too stacked, either. Nearest I can figure, Joe Sewell, Eppa Rixey and Red Faber are the only ones worth discussing. And I'm not sure I'll vote for any of the them (though, with a year to think about it, I'm pretty sure I'll be voting for Sewell).

    It's certainly possible next year will be my first one name ballot ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SavoyBG View Post
    Mays has a career win% of .623 (208-126), which is higher than any of our hall of famers except for Caruthers, Mathewson, Clarkson, Brown, Alexander, Nichols, McGinnity and Plank.

    I think Carl Mays deserves your vote.
    His AL % is also 10th best all-time (1000 IPs) at .627 (151-90).

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    and I need my eyes checked I missed Heilmann.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavoyBG View Post
    What's your objection to Heilmann, if I may ask?

    Do you see Leach as more qualified to be inducted than Heilmann?
    No Objection. I missed his name when voting.

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    I'm suprised Rommell hasn't gotten ANY votes yet. I don't see a big difference between him, Shocker, and Mays - not enough to justify him being one-and-done while Mays and Shocker generate significant support. He doesn't have a lot of innings, but Shocker just has 125 more. And while Shocker looks like he was more effective, there's not a lot of difference between the two. Is Shocker just over the line for the people voting for him, or am I missing something here?

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