PED's in Seattle

[Rennie Stennett]

Seattle Mariner fans better hope that these 104 players who tested positive for PED"s does not get released. It could contain many Mariner players. The Mariner Farm System had more players test positive for PED's then any other organization. A-Rod was the big name released in this SI story but there could be many more. Given the fact that Shane Monahan reported that Mariner locker room was full of guys who used PED's and Greenies during his time with the big club, which I believe was around 1997 and 1998. Big numbers by Mariners in the power department were being put up at this time. Fan is short for fanatic. It will a hard pill to swallow if one of your favorite players is outed.

[Trickyhop]

I'm just waiting to see it: Brett Boone.

[mrakbaseball]

Monahan played with Seattle in '98 and '99.
Ryan Franklin, Mike Morse tested positive while with Seattle.
David Segui and David Bell admitted use of HGH for "medicinal" purposes.
Bret Boone is obvious. Unfortunately, if and when more names are released it would not shock me to see Edgar Martinez's name. If that happens say goodbye to the HOF, say hello again to Atlantic St

[boisemarinersfan]

The way I feel about it this. Sports are for entertainment. I wish that the PED thing haden't happened but it did. The summers of '98 and '01 were some of the best I have ever seen as a sports fan. It was all fuled by PED's. McGwire (put him in the HOF now!!!) and Sosa. Then the 116 win Mariners. I belived then as I do now that a lot of those gus on that team were on the juice. I don't care because I was entertained. I am not saying it was right of that they should have done it but anyone who says that they didn't realize that drug use was happening is fooling themselves. I dig the long ball! I really don't think that "tainting" the game and astricks are needed. It happened....get over it.


BTW Here is the one thing. I don't do drugs never have never will but why doesn't anyone care that most of the musicians in the world use drugs and are probably creativly better off because of it. You can't tell me that Pink Floyd and The Dead would have written all of theose amazing songs with out acid? Jimi Hendrix without pot...what would that have been like? The Doors without (insert drug here). Tell me that those drugs aren't considered performance enhancers for those people. No one cares about that though.

[Stumanji]

The way I feel about it this. Sports are for entertainment. I wish that the PED thing haden't happened but it did. The summers of '98 and '01 were some of the best I have ever seen as a sports fan. It was all fuled by PED's. McGwire (put him in the HOF now!!!) and Sosa. Then the 116 win Mariners. I belived then as I do now that a lot of those gus on that team were on the juice. I don't care because I was entertained. I am not saying it was right of that they should have done it but anyone who says that they didn't realize that drug use was happening is fooling themselves. I dig the long ball! I really don't think that "tainting" the game and astricks are needed. It happened....get over it.

I'm in the same boat. It used to bother me when the steroids thing surfaced. I was disappointed knowing that many of these great performances were aided by some chemical.

However, with so many players being accused (and admitting) to taking some form of PED, I now just kinda embrace it as a part of sports. I can't fault these players for wanting to be the best at their job (or just wanting to be better). That's a good goal to have. It would have been great if they could have achieved this without PED's, but that's not the reality.

So, give them their fines and suspensions for each failed test, but keep it at that. If the game turns into .290 averages with 29 homeruns leading the league, it just won't be as exciting to watch.


[quote user=boisemarinersfan;1425909]BTW Here is the one thing. I don't do drugs never have never will but why doesn't anyone care that most of the musicians in the world use drugs and are probably creativly better off because of it. Tell me that those drugs aren't considered performance enhancers for those people. No one cares about that though.[/QUOTE]


An excellent point. We would probably counter with "that's just the rock'n'roll culture". But the rebuttal would be "And PED's are now the culture of professional sports".

The truth is that PED's are rampant in ALL sports, and at nearly all levels. Baseball is under the microscope because of the storied history.

Are you going to tell me that 40 year old Karl Malone wasn't getting some sort of assistance?

[Nat Bailey]

I'm in An excellent point. We would probably counter with "that's just the rock'n'roll culture". But the rebuttal would be "And PED's are now the culture of professional sports".

The truth is that PED's are rampant in ALL sports, and at nearly all levels. Baseball is under the microscope because of the storied history.

Are you going to tell me that 40 year old Karl Malone wasn't getting some sort of assistance?

Actually, I would say that those musicians have a pretty different standard to live up to other than athletes. Athletes have stats, hard facts that we judge them by. With music... not so much!

[Rennie Stennett]

Some say release the whole 104 names on the list. Do we really want to know the names ? What if Edgar's or Griffey's or Buhner's name showed up on the list ? What if Jamie Moyer's name was on the list ? Do we really, really want to know ? What if Ichiro's name is on there ? In 2001 the M's won 116 games. How many of these guys both pitching and position players were on the stuff ?

They still can't test for HGH and many Steroids. The PED era continues. It's no different then the turn of the century dead ball era guys taking cocaine or guys taking greenies and cocaine and marijuana and pain relievers.

[boisemarinersfan]

Does anyone think that Shawn Kemp wasn't on something before he went to Cleveland? He sure went in the crapper there. What about Dennis Rodman/ HTat guy was a freak of physical nature! (and a freak) Thats why PED's don't rank high on my list of things to care about. Rampant drug us all over the place

[redlegsfan21]

Some say release the whole 104 names on the list. Do we really want to know the names ? What if Edgar's or Griffey's or Buhner's name showed up on the list ? What if Jamie Moyer's name was on the list ? Do we really, really want to know ? What if Ichiro's name is on there ? In 2001 the M's won 116 games. How many of these guys both pitching and position players were on the stuff ?

They still can't test for HGH and many Steroids. The PED era continues. It's no different then the turn of the century dead ball era guys taking cocaine or guys taking greenies and cocaine and marijuana and pain relievers.

I really hope Griffey's name is not on that list. If it is, it may tarnish baseball forever. It's really hard for me to believe that he did but Griffey's reputation is one of the best in baseball today.

[Rennie Stennett]

I really hope Griffey's name is not on that list. If it is, it may tarnish baseball forever. It's really hard for me to believe that he did but Griffey's reputation is one of the best in baseball today.

I learned this past week that some steroids provide long and lean muscle mass. I, like many, have the idea that steroids makes you look pumped up like a big mac or a body builder. With this in mind, a guy like Ryan Franklin or Ken Griffey Jr or A-Rod could be on the stuff and you wouldn't know by looking at them. I've knocked Griffey repeatedly but I don't want him or Edgar or Bone to be on the list. As said before, they still can't test for HGH and some forms of steroids. They all could be doing it to this day.

They player's union really dropped the ball on this by leaving their players out to dry.

[Zito75]

Unfortunately, if and when more names are released it would not shock me to see Edgar Martinez's name. If that happens say goodbye to the HOF, say hello again to Atlantic St

I've been saying that for at least 3 years. Edgar juiced- there's no doubt in my mind.

[Rennie Stennett]

I've been saying that for at least 3 years. Edgar juiced- there's no doubt in my mind.

'say it ain't so joe'

[Captain Cold Nose]

If a generally classy guy like Edgar Martinez did use steroids, maybe it would be the thing to stop the instahate these players get from just the implication of use. Instantly branding these men despite no actual proof as to how this actually affects performance (where does talent end and PED start?) as bad people and "criminal scum" is not something I like to see, and when a guy who is so deeply respected for not just his play becomes part of this, I wonder if the perceptions of people would change.

[Stumanji]

Honestly, I can't quite see Edgar on that list because he didn't show the some of the *other* signs of someone using steroids: he didn't heal quickly, his conditioning didn't seem to show any improvement, he was injured with some regularity.

Buhner would shock me if he was on that list as well, seeing as he was a big tough country boy to begin with and didn't show much increase in muscle mass as he grew older. His career started to fizzle as the steroid area started to take off (1998-ish).

[Zito75]

If a generally classy guy like Edgar Martinez did use steroids, maybe it would be the thing to stop the instahate these players get from just the implication of use. Instantly branding these men despite no actual proof as to how this actually affects performance (where does talent end and PED start?) as bad people and "criminal scum" is not something I like to see, and when a guy who is so deeply respected for not just his play becomes part of this, I wonder if the perceptions of people would change.

Maybe you'll find out soon enough. I already know.