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Yea,I know the 09 WBC is not over and it too soon to talk about the 2013 WBC but I like talk a little bit about 2013 WBC. one thing I like to ask if they should they move the WBC and have it in Nov and DEC??? And they may have over 26 teams next time around so what countries you think could get pick??
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I don't think the next WBC will expand to 26 teams, maybe the next WBC will increase 4 more teams
Maybe Nicaragua, Colombia, Spain, Philippines...
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about the expanding participants subject,
26 can't be a good number.
assuming that each group contains 4 countries, the total number of participants has to be the multiplication of 4.
thus, either 24 (4 x 6 ) or 28 ( 4 x 7)
latter 28 (4 x 7 ) won't be a good choice since the 2nd round will usually start with 2 teams advanced from each group, but teams advanced from 7th group won't have the pair.
so, I think if there is expansion in 2013, it will be 24 teams total or 32.
32 is good number (FIFA use it for world cup) but then, there aren't many countries out there that can be fit into 32.
24, however, I think it is possible.
24 teams (4 teams in each pool, and there will be 6 pool)
2 teams advance from each group (12 advanced team total) and select 4 teams from wild cards and let 16 countries divided into another group of 4. (2nd round)
and 8 teams advance from the 2nd round, and from there, they should do one-game elimination till the final.
it is just one of my ideas that i thought of when the group for 2009 was announced.
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The Philippines? What about Germany, Brazil or other countries with better track records?Originally Posted by ROC~~
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I would like to see atleast 20 teams next time (didnt they say they were thining of doing 24 with qualis?)
I also want the elimination style format to stay with either double elimination or triple in each pool. I would figured out the math on either if the WBC moved to more teams but I'm getting to class now.
Also, if it's just increased to 20, I would still want the 2013 to be invitations, I don't think the WBC is ready to have 24 teams and to have qualis just yet. If I had to select 4 more teams it would be...
-1 more European-Germany, Spain, Czech
-2 more Americas-Brazil, Columbia, Nicaruaga, or anyone else that skips my mind
-1 more Asian-Thailand, Phillippines, India, etc
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The 2009 Baseball World Cup will have 22 teams and there are a couple like Panama and Brazil which are as good as some of the 22 which are included.
India almost never plays in the Asian Championships even. Thailand or the Philippines if you need a 5th Asian team.-1 more European-Germany, Spain, Czech
-2 more Americas-Brazil, Columbia, Nicaruaga, or anyone else that skips my mind
-1 more Asian-Thailand, Phillippines, India, etc
Curacao's team separate from the regular Dutch team would be better than Colombia, as they showed in the 2008 Americas Baseball Cup - guys like Ardley Jansen, Randolph Kirindongo, Lorvin Louisa, Johnny Gregorius, etc.
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The only number I've seen reported for the 2013 WBC is 24 teams. The WBC Committe apparently voted to consider expanding the tournament to 24 teams and to have qualifying rounds. It's not clear to me whether the qualifying rounds will have 24 teams, or whether the qualifying rounds will be open to more teams with the main tournament capped at 24 teams. I can see it going either way.
Assuming the tournament will include 24 invited teams, here's how I think it should shake out:
Add to the existing 16 teams the following 8 countries:
(1) Colombia
(2) Nicaragua
(3) Brazil
(4) Philippines
(5) Thailand
(6) Germany
(7) Czech Republic
(8) Spain
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I read somewhere in the wikipedia that Israel submitted the application for WBC
I don't know / I haven't heard how it turned out.
Wiki was telling that Israel wants to participate with Jewish-American MLB players like Shawn Green.
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if they have 26-24 teams I like to see them make the roster bit bigger like 32 players with 5 starting pitchers
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Well the Baseball World Cup doesn't involve MLB players and Korea and Japan also don't send their best. I'm just saying I think a 24th team like the Czechs might get simply embarrassed in a tourney featuring better players then what's seen in the World Cups.
If 20 teams doesn't work mathematically with pool play or elimination style, then go for 24. I'd rather 24 too just dont think we have that many skilled enough nations yet to be competitive.
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Of course, you don't have to start all the teams at the same level.
That is, you could have a tiered tournament, a kind of qualifying round, in which the teams that don't make it out of this year's first round start in pools with all the newly-invited countries... this spares the weaker of those teams from humiliation at the hands of powerhouses, and gives the stronger a chance to actually win a game or two, which would probably do more for a nascent program than an unmitigated thrashing and a ticket back home.
Advancers from that group then meet the second-round qualifiers from this year.
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The Czech Republic is probably as good as South Africa, which has played in both WBCs.
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This is probably the most likely format. Preliminaries preceding a first-round and then the second round, semi-finals and final.
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I absolutely agree. They could do it a few ways. Take the bottom eight teams from the current tournament and put them in four four-team preliminary or qualifying pools for the '13 Classic. Then add eight new teams to those. The top two teams from each pool would advance to the main rounds.
Alternatively, they could take the bottom four teams from the '09 WBC (that is, the first to exit each pool) and place them in three four-team pools. The top teams from each pool would advance, as would the top team left under some tie-breaker rule (runs scored, etc.)
So here's what it would look like. Assuming the most likely final records for this tournament--and using my proposed teams above--the preliminary round of 16 could be something like this:
Pool 1: China, Taiwan, Philippines, Thailand.
Pool 2: Panama, Canada, Colombia, Nicaragua
Pool 3: Netherlands, Italy, Germany, Czech Rep.
Pool 4: Australia, South Africa, Brazil, Spain
Alternatively, three pools could look like this (and I'm obviously guessing who the bottom four teams will be this year):
Pool 1: China, Philippines, Thailand, South Africa
Pool 2: Panama, Colombia, Nicaragua, Brazil
Pool 3: Italy, Germany, Czech Rep., Spain
Or something like that.
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Right now thy are look at 24 counties
Here some of the counties I like to see
Greece
UK
Spain
Nicaragua
Israel
Germany
NZ
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Why would you rather see these teams over Columbia?
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The UK won't be in next time around. Their Baseball Federation is so broke, they couldn't even go to the Final Olympic Qualifier last spring. Since I think you'd be hard pressed to find any MLB players who even qualify under the heritage clause for Britain, they will be out.
I do have a feeling that another European team will be included as well as Israel. Aside from that I'm not sure who else would be included. I agree that Nicaragua and Colombia should be included, but I have a feeling MLB doesn't want this tournament viewed as a North/Central American tournament, which adding both those nations would do.
Ideally, I think MLB would want another European, African and Oceanic team in this tournament. However, are there competitive enough teams to add from Africa or Oceania? I doubt there are especially with the walloping South Africa gave the rest of the field in the African Olympic Qualifier. Is there another Italy-style heritage team that could be thrown together to say represent another nation, aside from Israel?
Here's an outlandish suggestion, what about an "other" team? What I mean is there are some countries that have perhaps one or two talented players playing in MLB/MiLB, why not combine all the little guys into one team and call it Team World or something? I don't know exact numbers but there must be enough players from far flung countries to do this with. It would save a country such as say Jamaica being killed by the other teams even though they have Devon White (first name I came up with and yes I am fully aware he's retired). It would be better than some of the run up scores we see in other tournament.
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'Samurai Japan'
Japan Today: by Hiroki Noda
http://www.japantoday.com/category/s...allenge-in-wbc
Tatsunori Hara’s team, nicknamed ‘‘Samurai Japan,’’ began a four-day mini camp in Arizona on Tuesday for the second round in San Diego with a light workout under a searing afternoon sun at Scottsdale Stadium, the spring training site of the San Francisco Giants.
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But it's also important to avoid the perception that it's not really about the game--that genuine baseball talent and interest isn't secondary to other considerations. If the total field expands to 24, including a new preliminary round, I don't see how either Nicaragua or Colombia could really be left out.
On the other hand, New Zealand, Nigeria and Ghana--the next conceivable entrants from Oceania and Africa--are probably out of the question until they show better against Australia and South Africa, respectively.
Well now, the Italy team wasn't all heritage players. They do have a real league in Italy, and that league did contribute genuine 100% native Italian players. What other countries have leagues that could provide even a native "seed" for a team, which heritage players could fill out? Is the Israeli league likely to be able to do that even in four years? Are Germany and Spain closest?
Ireland would be a dream. Their league is barely fledged, but the promotional potential is huge. Just witness the popularity of "Irish" anything, here in the States, over these next few days.
Well... it would be nice for those scattered players to have an opportunity to participate at all, I guess... but I don't think it's very marketable. I've never liked the World team concept for the Futures game. I think there's got to be a way to come up with enough specific-nation teams.
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How about just a European team. I mean Italy and the Netheralnds can compete seperate but have France, England, Spain, and others, have their best players on one team. Its sorta of like the Unified team during the 1992 olympics.
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I've seen it suggested elsewhere that the African teams be combined into a unified Team Africa. I suppose I'd be cool with that if I had any reason to believe that Ghananian or Nigerian players have any fundamental baseball skills. They might be athletic as hell, but if they can't, you know, play baseball then I don't really see the point.
Look, the eight legit baseball countries that aren't already in the Classic are Germany, Czech Republic, Spain, Philippines, Thailand, Brazil, Colombia, and especially Nicaragua. Those countries compete in international competitions already, they're all in the top 25 of the IBAF World Rankings (with the exception of Thailand, which is 26), and (again with the exception of Thailand) they each have a pretty well-developed club league. I'm sure we can quibble with some of these at the margins, but it's pretty clear. After the top-25, it all falls off pretty dramatically.
Plus, these countries are pretty widely dispersed. Not too many Euro countries, not too many American. What's not to like?
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I just had a look at current players listed at mlb.com as major leaguers with a german origin name like "Feierabend" or "Clemens" and found a lot of them. Just stopped at "H" because it was way to much. I am sure you will find a lot of players with german roots in 2nd or 3rd bloodline who will make a more then competitive roster for Germany at WBC 2013.
Just go back to early 1900 and I think Germany would have the best team ever playing with Georg(e) Hermann Ruth; Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb (I don´t know for sure), Honus Wagner,Charlie Gehringer, Mel Ott, Harry Heilmann, Casey Stengel etc.
At the Minor League levels there should be more players with german roots and I think you even get a really competitive team out of them
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Paula, you don't get them just because they have a German name.
And we're also not doing a Scots-Irish heritage team with people whose kin came to the new world 100+ years ago. I support the concept of the heritage players, but not without limits! Going back as far as parental birth or citizenship is far enough.
Nothing. You're right. I'll take those eight.
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I'm German-American. Does that mean I get to play?
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If you are at least playing AA Level you will have a chance I think. So you better support Germany being on next WBC - at least for your own interest
Having a german name is the first sign of having foreign heritage. I am pretty sure there are a lot of players with german parents or just one part of them and born in the US (US Army Service on German soil included) playing in the Minors maybe also @the Show.
Also there will be some at Cuba, Venezuela, etc with german parents
Thats what I am talking about. I think it was at thebaseballcube.com where I saw a list with german born (US Service included) players and managers
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