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    Russia didn't even qualify for 2009 because Russian lose Greek 5:0
    (American picher have no-hitter)
    Such Greek (where play only yankee) team in 2003:
    http://current.baseballeurope.com/history/esa2003.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexx1971 View Post
    Kai Gronauer - who is it?
    Look at this
    http://current.baseballeurope.com/hi...s/eu200110.htm

    Russian guys hit 2 homerun on R.Cordemans !!!
    Kai Gronauer? Where he play?
    Kai Gronauer is a German catcher who signed a 2-year minor league deal with the New York Mets back in 2008

    He played for the GCL Mets in his first minor league season, hitting .356/.408/.378 in 16 games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet_Bokke View Post
    Just squeezing two or more countries together for no other reason than to make them more competitive doesn't really cut it with me

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    squeezing Russia+Ukraine+Belarus - it's second (or third) team in Eurobaseball and candidate on WBC'2013 or WBC'2017
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet_Bokke View Post
    Kai Gronauer is a German catcher who signed a 2-year minor league deal with the New York Mets back in 2008

    He played for the GCL Mets in his first minor league season, hitting .356/.408/.378 in 16 games

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    But it's or "A" or Rookie League
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    The GCL is rookie-level baseball, it's the first step on the long road to the Major Leagues- it's certainly an improvement over the general talent level of German or Russian domestic baseball

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet_Bokke View Post
    The GCL is rookie-level baseball, it's the first step on the long road to the Major Leagues- it's certainly an improvement over the general talent level of German or Russian domestic baseball

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    OK. But this guy - 1.
    Look at these page:
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Moscow
    Oleg Korneev, Lobanov Bros, Vasiliev
    Vasiliev pitch about 94 mph
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexx1971 View Post
    OK. But this guy - 1.
    Look at these page:
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Moscow
    Oleg Korneev, Lobanov Bros, Vasiliev
    Vasiliev pitch about 94 mph
    Korneev's minor league career doesn't look any better than the Germans in the US like Jennell Hudson and Tim Henkenjohann. Vasiliev never even played in the minors, unlike the best German catchers (Gronauer and Simon Guhring).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mischa View Post
    Vasiliev never even played in the minors, unlike the best German catchers (Gronauer and Simon Guhring).
    Special for you: Russia - Germany - 7:2 (last their match, copy from CEB site):
    http://www.baseball.in.ua/nat/eu200509.htm

    GUHRING & GRONAUER play in this match !!!
    Are you have another question ?

    Germany ALWAYS lose to Russia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexx1971 View Post
    Special for you: Russia - Germany - 7:2 (last their match, copy frov CEB site):
    http://www.baseball.in.ua/nat/eu200509.htm

    GUHRING & GRONAUER play in this match !!!
    Are you have another question ?
    Yeah, I do.

    If that were the WBC, 3 MLBers born in Germany would most likely be playing (all sucessful, sold MLers too): INF Jeff Baker, P Will Ohman, and P Edwin Jackson. There is NO way a Russian team would score 7 runs off Jackson or Ohman

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    If ex-USSR countries will play united team, - indifferent who will pitched in Germany (Jackson or Ohman).
    Germany will loser
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    How close is Germany to competing internationally at a high level?

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    Miller (citizen the Germany) headed in CEB 2005, and Germany grow in baseball again.
    Are you know about level the baseball in Russian and Ukraine ?
    We lose NOW ( Russian or Ukraine) to Germany but united team win Germany.

    In our countries the officials steal too much

    If MLB (or MILB) would put(invest) money at Ukrainian and Russian baseball, in some years the quantity Russian and Ukrainian players in MLB would be more, than all Europeans together.
    Last edited by Alexx1971; 03-19-2009 at 11:50 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SupCompleteNerds View Post
    Oh, so is it on a set schedule or is it just randomly picked years?
    It is on a set schedule starting with this year. From now on it will be every 4 years, so 2013, 2017, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet_Bokke View Post
    I had the following idea on a format for a 24-team WBC in 2013....it's kind of just me thinking aloud, so apologies if it gets confusing lol
    You’re not kidding about the confusing part... I'm not sure the WBC Steering Committee will use such a format. I can see the following format being used. Round 1 would consist of the “minnows” and some mid-tier teams. The top two teams advance to Round 2 and join two of the top eight from the 2009 WBC.

    Round 1
    Group A
    China
    Philippines
    Spain
    Taiwan

    Group B
    Australia
    Czech Republic
    Nicaragua
    South Africa

    Group C
    Colombia
    Dominican Republic
    Germany
    Panama

    Group D
    Brazil
    Canada
    Great Britain
    Italy
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    Assuming the group favorites advanced: (One 2009 WBC Semi-Finalist in each group)
    Round 2
    Group 1
    Japan
    Netherlands
    Group A Winner & Runner-up:
    China
    Taiwan

    Group 2
    Cuba
    South Korea
    Group B Winner & Runner-up:
    Australia
    Nicaragua

    Group 3
    Puerto Rico
    USA
    Group C Winner & Runner-up:
    Panama
    Dominican Republic

    Group 4
    Mexico
    Venezuela
    Group D Winner & Runner-up:
    Canada
    Italy

    The rest of the tournament would follow the previous format.

    I would also like to see pool play instead of double elimination.
    Here is an idea from a previous post of mine:

    The following doesn’t deviate too much from the previous format: In a pool of four teams the three way tie is the problem. Let’s look at the only the two 3-way tie scenarios possible, from the 2006 WBC. Both are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

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    1)Pool B        Tiebreaker
       Mexico 2
    -1    1-11.59 RA/9
       USA    2
    -1    1-14.00 RA/9
       Canada 2
    -1    1-17.50 RA/9
       RSA    0
    -
    The team with the lowest Runs Allowed per 9 innings (RA/9), in this case, Mexico advances to the next round, but a tiebreaker game where the USA hosts Canada is played to determine the second berth. This format wouldn’t take more than 7 games and every team would play each other. The other scenario is more complicated, because there is only one berth available.

    PHP Code:
    2)Pool 1          Tiebreaker
       Korea   3
    -0
       Japan   1
    -2    1-12.50 RA/9
       USA     1
    -2    1-12.64 RA/9
       Mexico  1
    -2    1-13.50 RA/
    In this case Mexico would be eliminated, because it has the highest RA/9, therefore Japan hosts the USA in a tiebreaker game to advance to the next round. Again, this format wouldn’t take more than 7 games and every team would play each other. There is a double standard, but remember a team with a winning record will only be eliminated on the field and a team with a losing record can be eliminated by a formula.
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    The system NEA describes here is the logical way to break the three-way ties in a four-team round-robin pool.

    Quote Originally Posted by spark240 View Post
    I'm starting to think it would have made more sense to stick with straight round-robin, plus a formula for adding a single (seventh) tiebreaker game in each pool.
    The arguments against this which occur to me are,

    1. There is still a statistical formula which announcers and writers will have to repeatedly explain to viewers and readers. In short, this annoys people and drives away casual fans. The double-elimination bracket diagram may have looked a little complicated to some, but at least it could be drawn. You can't draw the round-robin plus RA/9 ranking and tiebreaker.

    2. Why is it RA/9? Why is allowing fewer runs more important than scoring more runs, or any other measure?

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    I not against Czechia and so on.
    I think, that 8 additional places should BE EARNED, to not receive automatically
    I think, that it is necessary to play qualifying tournaments, in which these countries should in struggle receive these places in tournament.
    I have specified as it I see here:
    http: // www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=88632
    I think, that is necessary to play 1 round - 4 groups with in each 6 teams( total 60 games), it's better than 6 groups with 4 teams in each group (36 games).
    More games - the better tournament. In baseball it is possible to play EACH day (as against soccers)
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    Quote Originally Posted by spark240 View Post
    The arguments against this which occur to me are,

    1. There is still a statistical formula which announcers and writers will have to repeatedly explain to viewers and readers. In short, this annoys people and drives away casual fans. The double-elimination bracket diagram may have looked a little complicated to some, but at least it could be drawn. You can't draw the round-robin plus RA/9 ranking and tiebreaker.

    2. Why is it RA/9? Why is allowing fewer runs more important than scoring more runs, or any other measure?
    Forgive me for overlooking the sensibilities of the casual fan. I used the RA/9, because it was the primary tie breaker in 2006. However a simpler tie breaking criteria can be used, perhaps Run differential. Goal differential is used for tie breakers in soccer, so it may be straight forward enough for the casual baseball fan.
    I didn't mind the double elimination system to much, I just prefer pool play. As you mentioned in your "WBC Tournament Structure" thread, some intriguing match-ups didn't materialize. Also, it would be nice to see every team get in a at least three games on the WBC stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewEnglandAmazins View Post
    However a simpler tie breaking criteria can be used, perhaps Run differential. Goal differential is used for tie breakers in soccer, so it may be straight forward enough for the casual baseball fan.
    Yes !!!
    Baseball bosses must take better from soccer

    Quote Originally Posted by NewEnglandAmazins View Post
    I didn't mind the double elimination system to much, I just prefer pool play.
    Yes !
    It's foolish system.
    Teams must play "each-to-each" (like in WBC'06)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexx1971 View Post
    I not against Czechia and so on.
    I think, that 8 additional places should BE EARNED, to not receive automatically
    I think, that it is necessary to play qualifying tournaments, in which these countries should in struggle receive these places in tournament.
    I agree 100%

    I have specified as it I see here:
    http: // www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=88632
    I think, that is necessary to play 1 round - 4 groups with in each 6 teams( total 60 games), it's better than 6 groups with 4 teams in each group (36 games).
    More games - the better tournament. In baseball it is possible to play EACH day (as against soccers)
    I like that format, but I'm not sure the WBC Committee will agree with the semi-final & final portion it. Many MLB clubs are not too happy about letting their stars play in a maximum of 10 WBC games; they're going to be less enthused about letting them play in a max of about 15 games. I wouldn't mind the final be a best of three series.

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    maybe set up the second round as single elimination bracket style format. This is only if you had another 8 teams. this makes the WBC shorter and more exciting, yes there will be more upsets and pitching staff might be more important and crucial in games but it might be the best way. Of course teams would have to play every other day, very difficult to do.

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