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    It's because the WBC is something they can risk, since they won't lose any of their salary by boycotting.

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    Some international baseball stories worth sharing coming out of the south pacific and middle east(via SF):

    http://www.ablbuzz.com.au/?p=3043
    http://www.baseballnewzealand.com/in...journey-begins
    http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/...ether-for-wbc/

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    With the announcement in the New Zealand story above, we now know the dates for three of the four Qualifier Pools:

    POOL ONE in Armin-Wolf-Arena, Regensburg, Germany --- Thu Sep 20 through Mon Sep 24

    POOL TWO in Roger Dean Stadium, Jupiter, Florida, USA --- dates in Nov are still unknown

    POOL THREE in XinZhuang Stadium, Taipei, Taiwan --- Thu Sep 15 through Sun Nov 18

    POOL FOUR in Estadio Rod Carew, Panama City, Panama --- Wed Nov 14 through Sun Nov 18

    What do you think the attendance will be in these four pools ? Here is a guess-timate:

    POOL ONE --- Regensburg, Germany --- capacity 10,500 --- 10,500 for games involving Germany; 4000 for games not involving Germany

    POOL TWO --- Jupiter, Florida, USA --- capacity 6871 --- no host team --- 6871 for games involving Israel; 5000 for games not involving Israel

    POOL THREE --- Taipei, Taiwan --- capacity 11,000 --- 11,000 for games involving Taiwan; 3000 for games not involving Taiwan

    POOL FOUR --- Panama City, Panama --- capacity 27,000 --- 25,000 for games involving Panama; 6000 for games not involving Panama

    What do you all think about these prospective attendance figures ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLowry View Post

    What do you think the attendance will be in these four pools ? Here is a guess-timate:

    POOL ONE --- Regensburg, Germany --- capacity 10,500 --- 10,500 for games involving Germany; 4000 for games not involving Germany

    POOL TWO --- Jupiter, Florida, USA --- capacity 6871 --- no host team --- 6871 for games involving Israel; 5000 for games not involving Israel

    POOL THREE --- Taipei, Taiwan --- capacity 11,000 --- 11,000 for games involving Taiwan; 3000 for games not involving Taiwan

    POOL FOUR --- Panama City, Panama --- capacity 27,000 --- 25,000 for games involving Panama; 6000 for games not involving Panama

    What do you all think about these prospective attendance figures ?
    I think thats optimistic, but hard to say whether its actually possible. Doubts abound that fans will travel for this, and locals don't show up even to watch the big teams like Canada on the road, which is unfortunate.

    Regensburg: Near sellout for Germany games, 2k average for others. As has been mentioned, Czech should represent well given the proximity to Prag and Brno, but GB and Canada probably won't. Has been talk that the stadium will sit 10k as during the BWC in '09, but Germany didnt sell out against China or Venezuela. Doubt it.

    Jupiter: No sellouts, average of 2.5k. Given Spain and Israel as the regional supported favorites, they could draw more. Depends on the marketing.

    Taipei: max 2k average for games not involving the hosts. Just no interest in the other countries, and the home fans know their team will advance, so they might stay away.

    Panama: Would guess max 15k for the hosts games in the final, around 2k for the others. Again, I don't see anyone traveling to Panama City to watch a qualifier.

    It would be great to see a push by MLBtv to get these covered, and in some way that is free for viewers. This will help grow the interest of the game in the countries that are participating. If your team is playing two thousand kilometers away from home, you won't fly to watch a game you have just moderate interest in, but partnerships to get it on TV in the home market of every team will raise the profile of the national team program and MLB; a win-win situation. Whether its live streaming online, or getting it on tape delay to the sports sender in the country, anything helps! Im sure the teams from the non-hosts especially would second this.
    Last edited by TheInternationalGame; 04-15-2012 at 09:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInternationalGame View Post
    It would be great to see a push by MLBtv to get these covered, and in some way that is free for viewers. This will help grow the interest of the game in the countries that are participating. If your team is playing two thousand kilometers away from home, you won't fly to watch a game you have just moderate interest in, but partnerships to get it on TV in the home market of every team will raise the profile of the national team program and MLB; a win-win situation. Whether its live streaming online, or getting it on tape delay to the sports sender in the country, anything helps! Im sure the teams from the non-hosts especially would second this.
    Smart comment. Seconded!

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    Israel getting team together for World Baseball Classic

    The latest on the WBCQ...
    Former major leaguers Brad Ausmus, Shawn Green and Gabe Kapler have expressed interest in playing or coaching for Israel, the IAB noted. Two pitchers with Bay Area roots — Scott Feldman of Burlingame (Texas Rangers) and Aaron Poreda of Moraga (Double-A in the Pittsburgh Pirates organization) — are other possibilities.
    Aaron Pribble of San Francisco, a standout high school pitcher in Marin in the mid-1990s, is among the players expected to receive an invitation to try out for the Israeli squad.

    Pribble pitched in the short-lived Israel Baseball League in 2007 and wrote a book about the experience titled “Pitching in the Promised Land.”
    Source: http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/...ether-for-wbc/

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    Ticket prices for the WBCQ in Germany have been announced and will be on sale starting April 27th via www.worldbaseballclassic.de

    Ticket Prices World Baseball Classic Qualifier Regensburg:
    Single Ticket Single Ticket Week Pass

    Category Sept. 20/21/23/24 Sept. 22 Sept. 20 to 24
    Homeplate Premium 50 Euros 75 Euros 220 Euros
    Homeplate 40 Euros 60 Euros 175 Euros
    Infield 30 Euros 45 Euros 130 Euros
    Baseline 20 Euros 30 Euros 85 Euros
    Outfield 15 Euros 20 Euros 60 Euros

    additionally it looks like the Asien Qualifier in Raiwan will be held from 15th to 18th November according to this article http://www.baseballnewzealand.com/in...journey-begins

    Quote Originally Posted by Baseball New Zealand
    New Zealand, the only unranked team in the world to feature in qualification, will play Chinese Taipei, the Philippines and Thailand in a four-team group at XinZhuang Stadium in Taipei between November 15 and 18.
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    Another interesting article here about Canada's rough road ahead in qualifying for the WBC:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...sic/index.html

    Apparently, Russell Martin and Justin Morneau weren't aware that they're ineligible to play in the Septemer qualifier. Also, one of the premises of the article is that the teams playing in November will be able to use players who are on an MLB 40-man roster. It doesn't confirm that--but it's the clear implication. So now I guess I'm just confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paula59 View Post
    Ticket prices for the WBCQ in Germany have been announced and will be on sale starting April 27th via www.worldbaseballclassic.de
    Paula, does that pricing make sense to you? Will European baseball fans pay $20 to sit down the baseline for a single game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Monkey View Post
    Another interesting article here about Canada's rough road ahead in qualifying for the WBC:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...sic/index.html

    Apparently, Russell Martin and Justin Morneau weren't aware that they're ineligible to play in the Septemer qualifier. Also, one of the premises of the article is that the teams playing in November will be able to use players who are on an MLB 40-man roster. It doesn't confirm that--but it's the clear implication. So now I guess I'm just confused.
    "In that regard, September was the only option: The qualifiers would be overshadowed by the MLB playoffs in October, and the temperature would be too cold to play in Germany in November.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/04/17/canada.world.baseball.classic/index.html#ixzz1sQjgeUSS"


    The qualifiers are going to be ignored for the most part anyway. Why worry then about October? In October, Canada would have watched since we only have 1 MLB that more then likely won't be playing in October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Monkey View Post
    Paula, does that pricing make sense to you? Will European baseball fans pay $20 to sit down the baseline for a single game?
    Yes, they will.... Everything is more expensive in Europe so these prices are not out of the ordinary. And, these fans have no idea that down the line is not that great of a seat. They'll just want to be there. Most are not baseball savy.

    Now, can we please confirm the Jupiter dates so I can book my travel plans already!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Monkey View Post
    Paula, does that pricing make sense to you? Will European baseball fans pay $20 to sit down the baseline for a single game?
    well actually it is 26 USD for Baseline (Single Game) 20 USD for Outfield/Bleachers.
    It is hard to say if this pricing makes sense or not. I think it is a little bit high but reasonable. Compared to other events in Germany (Soccer Bundesliga, WC, EC; Handball, Basketball;etc) it is surely a good deal and the fans will come. They will come to see the Canadian Pro players, support the German team on their quest and some will come from Czech Republic. I expect the German games sold out with 10.000 and the other games with a mid thousands number.
    Baseballwise it is surely expensive and I wouldn´t pay that much or wouldn´t get a tournament ticket if I had too - but that´s another story and would surely not sit on the Baseline or bleachers.

    You have to imagine that the fans love to see Baseball on that high level and they will pay more to be part of this opportunity. It is not like in the US (or elsewhere) with the opportunity to see stars on a everyday basis. Fans are hungry for it!
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    Here is some travel info. Assuming that travel to TAIWAN and GERMANY from the USA is too expensive, here is some info for those who may be arranging to visit the FLORIDA and PANAMA qualifying pools.

    JUPITER. FLORIDA dates TBD, assuming fly there from Minneapolis on Fri, Nov 9 in time to see the Fri night game, pay for hotel on Fri and Sat evening, and stay long enough to see the Sun afternoon game:

    Airfare is $529 on Delta to Fort Lauderdale
    Hotel is $131 at the Fairfield Inn in Jupiter

    TOTAL is $661 affordable

    PANAMA CITY, PANAMA dates Nov 15-18, assuming fly there from Minneapolis on Fri, Nov 16 in time to see the Fri night game, pay for hotel on Fri and Sat evening, and stay long enough to see just the beginning of the Sun afternoon game:

    Airfare is $1017 on American via Miami
    Hotel is $108 at the Vera Cruz

    TOTAL is $1126 much less affordable

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLowry View Post
    Here is some travel info. Assuming that travel to TAIWAN and GERMANY from the USA is too expensive, here is some info for those who may be arranging to visit the FLORIDA and PANAMA qualifying pools.

    JUPITER. FLORIDA dates TBD, assuming fly there from Minneapolis on Fri, Nov 9 in time to see the Fri night game, pay for hotel on Fri and Sat evening, and stay long enough to see the Sun afternoon game:

    Airfare is $529 on Delta to Fort Lauderdale
    Hotel is $131 at the Fairfield Inn in Jupiter

    TOTAL is $661 affordable

    PANAMA CITY, PANAMA dates Nov 15-18, assuming fly there from Minneapolis on Fri, Nov 16 in time to see the Fri night game, pay for hotel on Fri and Sat evening, and stay long enough to see just the beginning of the Sun afternoon game:

    Airfare is $1017 on American via Miami
    Hotel is $108 at the Vera Cruz

    TOTAL is $1126 much less affordable

    I know of a condo in a great great spot if anybody is going to Panama City. I stayed there. It was wonderful. Great view, use of a cell phone, airport pickup!!

    As for Florida I have a flight credit I'll be using and a timeshare for the week so even with a rental car Florida will be pretty affordable. I just wish they would announce those dates!

    As for Germany, I'll be at that stadium next month and I've been to Taiwan twice already too so I don't feel like I'm missing anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paula59 View Post
    They will come to see the Canadian Pro players, support the German team on their quest and some will come from Czech Republic. I expect the German games sold out with 10.000 and the other games with a mid thousands number.

    You have to imagine that the fans love to see Baseball on that high level and they will pay more to be part of this opportunity. It is not like in the US (or elsewhere) with the opportunity to see stars on a everyday basis. Fans are hungry for it!
    Why would German fans come out for Canada if they didn't come out for the US games at the 2009 BWC?
    http://competition.baseballeurope.co.../stats/010.htm

    Add to that the fact that there wont be any MLB players, and Canada has less minor league sure-fire talent than the US team did: the only reason I see fans filling up the Regensburg park is to cheer against the favorites in hopes that Germany gets a weaker opponent in any subsequent round. I think the excitement of hosting the qualifier has gone straight to peoples heads...and they are way overestimating. I can also easily imagine a situation where Lutz and Kepler are blocked from playing for the German team by their clubs, Germany loses to Czech and fans get dejected and don't show up for an elimination game.

    Its understandable that the 'Rechensburg'(so much for journalistic integrity and research) organizers would increase the price a bit, because they have a captive market and a rabid fan base, so they could increase prices a significant amount without driving away those fans. On the other hand, to fill up the stadium for other games, they'd have to drop prices through the floor. So it makes more sense financially to raise the ticket price to a level that offsets the cost of the empty seats. And that stadium is awesome, fans will love the atmosphere, so I hope that the marketing team is promoting heavily over the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLowry View Post

    Airfare is $529 on Delta to Fort Lauderdale
    Hotel is $131 at the Fairfield Inn in Jupiter

    TOTAL is $661 affordable

    Airfare is $1017 on American via Miami
    Hotel is $108 at the Vera Cruz

    TOTAL is $1126 much less affordable
    Thats great, but what about quotes from Israel, France, Spain, and South Africa?

    suddenly not so "affordable"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInternationalGame View Post
    Why would German fans come out for Canada if they didn't come out for the US games at the 2009 BWC?
    http://competition.baseballeurope.co.../stats/010.htm
    If you would have read it fully I quoted that I expect all german games to be sold out (around 10.000) and the other games (compared to the BWCQ) with attendance in the mid thousands - equal to the game you posted from BWCQ.
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    Any news on the players available for the non Regensburg qualifiers?
    Thanks for any info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titorondon View Post
    Any news on the players available for the non Regensburg qualifiers?
    Thanks for any info.
    Off topic, but heard from a German player that Coach Frady is recruiting from the minors 10-15 Americans with German background. Would be an interesting development, since I among others thought that he wouldn't. Donald Lutz is expected to be available, although he is currently on the Reds 40-man. If Paula or anyone else with knowledge of the German team has something to confirm or refute those claims, would like to hear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInternationalGame View Post
    Off topic, but heard from a German player that Coach Frady is recruiting from the minors 10-15 Americans with German background. Would be an interesting development, since I among others thought that he wouldn't. Donald Lutz is expected to be available, although he is currently on the Reds 40-man. If Paula or anyone else with knowledge of the German team has something to confirm or refute those claims, would like to hear!
    Hope this is not the case 'cause i want to see how native German players are developing,so we can have an idea of the state of German baseball,recruiting Americans with German heritage will prevent that.

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