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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    Yes. I'd want to see something from as close to the event as possible. In this instance I would consider anything written after about 1952 to be suspect.
    .............but a Larry King (forget Peter Golenbock) story (many years after the fact) regarding Red Barber and Joe Garagiola (see thread: Has The Voice Of The Brooks Been Back?) succeeds in gaining credence with you...........wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by penncentralpete View Post
    I believe The Last Supper was chronicled more than 11 years after its (so called) occurance too.
    The Sporting News reported that the Last Supper was held at Stan and Biggies, and the Last Super was Schneider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by penncentralpete View Post
    Ed: You DOUBT TonyPug's reference? He gave you the date and the page number in the New York Times! Good grief man. Accept the fact that this meeting happened!
    In the spirit of "The Last Supper", it's obvious that Ed is a "Doubting Thomas"
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    Soooo, Admiral Yamamoto is just as responsible as O'Malley and Moses for the Los Angeles National League Club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOVE23 View Post
    Soooo, Admiral Yamamoto is just as responsible as O'Malley and Moses for the Los Angeles National League Club?
    As Casey Stengel used to say"You could look it up."
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOVE23 View Post
    Soooo, Admiral Yamamoto is just as responsible as O'Malley and Moses for the Los Angeles National League Club?
    Let's get it straight once and for all...Bob Moses, as despicable a human being who ever walked the earth as there was, had little to do with the theft of the Brooklyn franchise. He felt Atlantic/Flatbush was the wrong place for a baseball stadium in an America that was rapidly changing to an automobile dependent country (he was quite right on that score), he felt the deal was illegal according to NY State law (I will leave it to you whether as a civil servant he should have let a little thing like NYS law bother hime) and he was quite willing to work with O'Malley to provide him a home in the most logical location in the area (Flushing Meadow central to where many of the Flatbush Faithful had left for).....it was O'Malley who either used the Atlantic/Flatbush as a smoke screen for his true intentions or who saw nothing wrong with holding up a municipality to satisfy his own greed whether that municipality be New York City or the City of Los Angeles.

    As far as Admiral Yamamoto, well that's a new twist but then again he got is at Midway, didn't he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MATHA531 View Post
    As far as Admiral Yamamoto, well that's a new twist but then again he got is at Midway, didn't he?
    Yep, then we assassinated him in '43 near Rabaul/Bougainville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by penncentralpete View Post
    .............but a Larry King (forget Peter Golenbock) story (many years after the fact) regarding Red Barber and Joe Garagiola (see thread: Has The Voice Of The Brooks Been Back?) succeeds in gaining credence with you...........wow.
    I consider this story with a grain of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by penncentralpete View Post
    Ed: You DOUBT TonyPug's reference? He gave you the date and the page number in the New York Times! Good grief man. Accept the fact that this meeting happened!
    This is how I conduct research. Get pointed to a source and then find it for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    I consider this story with a grain of salt.
    But you described Barber as "pompous" because of it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by penncentralpete View Post
    But you described Barber as "pompous" because of it!!!
    I don't consider Barber as pompous, but some things I have read about him, and listening to some of his broadcasts, he does not come off as thew nicest guy around. I believe in the the other thread that I said the story made Barber sound pompous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    I don't consider Barber as pompous, but some things I have read about him, and listening to some of his broadcasts, he does not come off as thew nicest guy around. I believe in the the other thread that I said the story made Barber sound pompous.
    ....not quite. In the other thread you called Barber a "pompous jerk" (post number 27)
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    Quote Originally Posted by penncentralpete View Post
    ....not quite. In the other thread you called Barber a "pompous jerk" (post number 27)
    Actually I said that he comes off like a pompous jerk. That's not the same as calling him a pompous jerk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    Actually I said that he comes off like a pompous jerk. That's not the same as calling him a pompous jerk.
    I'm incredulous. You sound like a politician being interviewed on "60 Minutes"............
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    Quote Originally Posted by penncentralpete View Post
    I'm incredulous. You sound like a politician being interviewed on "60 Minutes"............
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    I will have to take comfort that I can interpret the following as being seperate statements with seperate meanings:

    the story makes Red Barber comes across like a pompous jerk.

    as opposed to:

    Red Barber was a pompous jerk.

    I said the first, not the second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    I will have to take comfort that I can interpret the following as being seperate statements with seperate meanings:

    the story makes Red Barber comes across like a pompous jerk.

    as opposed to:

    Red Barber was a pompous jerk.

    I said the first, not the second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    I will have to take comfort that I can interpret the following as being seperate statements with seperate meanings:

    the story makes Red Barber comes across like a pompous jerk.

    as opposed to:

    Red Barber was a pompous jerk.

    I said the first, not the second.
    This is exactly what you said: "I think the point of the story was to point out Barber's erudition, but to me the story made Barber out to be a pompous jerk."

    Anyone (except you evidently) would interpret that statement one way. At the time of your post--you believed the story--you have since changed your tune on that fact, tardily stating you now take the story "with a grain of salt." You also said you wouldn't like to have dinner with Barber.

    I believe that you believe Red Barber was one of the greatest baseball broadcasters of all-time, but alas, you got caught up in your own verbosity, and found it somewhat discomfiting to awkwardly retreat from your numerously edited posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by penncentralpete View Post
    This is exactly what you said: "I think the point of the story was to point out Barber's erudition, but to me the story made Barber out to be a pompous jerk."

    Anyone (except you evidently) would interpret that statement one way. At the time of your post--you believed the story--you have since changed your tune on that fact, tardily stating you now take the story "with a grain of salt." You also said you wouldn't like to have dinner with Barber.

    I believe that you believe Red Barber was one of the greatest baseball broadcasters of all-time, but alas, you got caught up in your own verbosity, and found it somewhat discomfiting to awkwardly retreat from your numerously edited posts.
    I did not say that I thought Barber was a pompous jerk. I have no way of knowing because I never met him. I was talking about the story, not my personal opinion. If that is still unclear to you, then I don't know hpw to make it any more clear.

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    I am incensed that the Dodgers moved out of Brooklyn because the stupid L.A. Dodgers beat my Oakland A's in the world series in 1988.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    I did say that I thought Barber was a pompous jerk. I have no way of knowing because I never met him. I was talking about the story, not my personal opinion. If that is still unclear to you, then I don't know hpw to make it any more clear.

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    Thanks Ed for clearing that up for all of us, finally admitting "I did say that I thought Barber was a pompous jerk."

    The End.
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    Quote Originally Posted by penncentralpete View Post
    Thanks Ed for clearing that up for all of us, finally admitting "I did say that I thought Barber was a pompous jerk."

    The End.
    That was a mis-type on my part. I did not say it.

    I don't understand why this is bothering you so much.

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    Hey guys, lets put an end to the public bickering. It does what we are trying to do here no good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    That was a mis-type on my part. I did not say it.

    I don't understand why this is bothering you so much.
    Ed: If I received a dollar for each edit you've effected in the past 2 days re: Red Barber, I could afford to attend a Yankee game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonypug View Post
    Hey guys, lets put an end to the public bickering. It does what we are trying to do here no good.
    The name of this thread has the word "incensed" included. I am "incensed" that a veteren, heretofore, respected poster has waffled in his stated opinion(s) regarding Brooklyn Dodger history. I have not a problem with one's sentiment. State it. Stick to it. Fairly simple.
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