Maybe double checking something? Reorganizing my thoughts?
Perhaps the next time I write a paper, I should write it from start to finish without making any changes?
Also, the last edited by phrase doesn't only appear when you leave the site.
Some oldtime Brooklyn fans have hated (with a passion) the Dodgers since the fall of 1957 and winter/spring of 1958. Others continued to love their Dodgers even though they were now 3,000 miles away. With today's technology, I cannot wonder if more fans would have "followed" the team to the west coast if these things were available.. By this I mean with the internet and MLB.com (and a host of other new things available), the team would have been much easier to follow (games, scores, results, etc.). Any thoughts?
Only other example I can think of relates to me being in Seattle. Our Supersonics were stripped away from us because our Key Arena didn't have enough Suites for high rollers. I can still follow the team in Oklahoma, but evertime I see the team on t.v. or internet, it only makes me sick. Something tells me that the conveniences of internet and t.v. would only make Brooklyn fans all that more annoyed to see their team playing elsewhere.
I recently met 2 former Brooklyn dodger fans, One Vinnie I met while taking my new Brooklyn cap for a walk. He grew up near the Parade Grounds and has remained a fan of the Los Angelos National League team.I met Lou at the Rays game, he grew up in the Bushwick section, and became a Yankee fan, of all things. I would say the majority of Brooklyn Dodger fans who remained baseball fans, became Mets fans. Of couse there was a segment of former,fans who stopped being baseball fans, and that truly is a shame. I followed the LA team until all of our old heros were gone and became a Mets fan when they were born. The outrage is that any of this had to happen at all.
Jnakamura, we finally get this thing calmed down, and then you want to go and flare it up again. Is that how you get your kicks?
Agreed, tonypug. jnakamura, I'll be in touch...meanwhile, let's please avoid blowing on the coals.
What always has to be remembered, is that O'Malley essentially ran the Nationa League, in the 50's and 60's. Warren Giles was nothing more then a puppet league president. If O'Malley were alive and in his prime today, he would be commissioner today not Selig.
At the infamous National League meeting in June 1957 when it was announced the Dodgers and Giants had been given permission to take the franchises to LA and SF respectively, Giles was asked how the National League could allow itself to not have a franchise in New York. His reply, showing what a genius he was, "Who needs New York?"
As far as Frick was concerned, he was a closet Yankee fan. He took the Marie Antoinette tact ("Let them eat cake.") When asked what he was doing to protect the interests of the Brooklyn fans, he replied, "Let them root for the Yankees."
But then again mlb paid the price. Although I cannot put a quantitative number on it, the theft of the Brooklyn franchise especially told fans throughout the country the contempt mlb had for its fans. And based on the time line, many of the Dodger fans turned their attention to the New York Football Giants which helped spur the leap frogging of baseball by the NFL as the national pastime. While I will never say it was the sole reason for this, the time line and the way it came down in New York stongly suggests the theft of the Brooklyn franchise played a major role in the rise of the NFL.
Giles and Frick certainly did a great job standing up and acting in the best interests of baseball for allowing O'Malley especially to show his contempt for the Brooklyn fans who made the team the biggest money maker in baseball, including in 1957 which most knew would be a lame duck year after the NL meeting in June.
Also one must remember, O'Malley, wanting to protect as much of his gate as possible, kept playing the "it's not too late game" with the fans when it is now clear that upon the Dodgers return from Japan in 1956 and his fly over Chavez Ravine O'Malley told the thieves from LA he was coming and anything else they heard in the coming year was simply an attempt on his part to protect his gate.
A more devious scoundrel never lived.
Last edited by MATHA531; 08-04-2009 at 01:27 PM.
All good and true points. But still, why the seeming apathy at the time from the fans? Why weren't these millions of Dodger fans organizing, protesting, holding huge rallies etc.?
Where was the fury then that exists now?
No offense, I mean, I know most of you guys were kids then, but it seems much more of an effort could have been made by the adults to keep the name in Brooklyn by waging a huge, public campaign.
1. There was a sense of disbelief that anything would really happen in many quarters, even though there was also nagging suspicion.
2. There actually were some protests, signs, etc. Matha531 has provided pictures.
3. America was different then. I think it took the civil rights movement and Vietnam to really spark that kind of large-scale protest.
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