“So, why are you so incensed that the Dodgers moved out of Brooklyn?”

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  • penncentralpete
    Abe Stark suits me fine
    • Jan 2006
    • 1971

    #76
    Originally posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    Yes. I'd want to see something from as close to the event as possible. In this instance I would consider anything written after about 1952 to be suspect.
    .............but a Larry King (forget Peter Golenbock) story (many years after the fact) regarding Red Barber and Joe Garagiola (see thread: Has The Voice Of The Brooks Been Back?) succeeds in gaining credence with you...........wow.
    Last edited by penncentralpete; 08-02-2009, 04:51 PM. Reason: spelling
    you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
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    • Let's Go Mets!
      NY/Staten Island Yankees!
      • May 2008
      • 429

      #77
      Originally posted by penncentralpete View Post
      Ed: You DOUBT TonyPug's reference? He gave you the date and the page number in the New York Times! Good grief man. Accept the fact that this meeting happened!
      In the spirit of "The Last Supper", it's obvious that Ed is a "Doubting Thomas"
      Let's Go Mets!
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      • JOVE23
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        • Mar 2008
        • 265

        #78
        Soooo, Admiral Yamamoto is just as responsible as O'Malley and Moses for the Los Angeles National League Club?

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        • tonypug
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          • Nov 2003
          • 1251

          #79
          Originally posted by JOVE23 View Post
          Soooo, Admiral Yamamoto is just as responsible as O'Malley and Moses for the Los Angeles National League Club?
          As Casey Stengel used to say"You could look it up."
          Lets get Eddie Basinski elected to the Polish Sports Hall of Fame.
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          • MATHA531
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            • Jun 2005
            • 808

            #80
            Originally posted by JOVE23 View Post
            Soooo, Admiral Yamamoto is just as responsible as O'Malley and Moses for the Los Angeles National League Club?
            Let's get it straight once and for all...Bob Moses, as despicable a human being who ever walked the earth as there was, had little to do with the theft of the Brooklyn franchise. He felt Atlantic/Flatbush was the wrong place for a baseball stadium in an America that was rapidly changing to an automobile dependent country (he was quite right on that score), he felt the deal was illegal according to NY State law (I will leave it to you whether as a civil servant he should have let a little thing like NYS law bother hime) and he was quite willing to work with O'Malley to provide him a home in the most logical location in the area (Flushing Meadow central to where many of the Flatbush Faithful had left for).....it was O'Malley who either used the Atlantic/Flatbush as a smoke screen for his true intentions or who saw nothing wrong with holding up a municipality to satisfy his own greed whether that municipality be New York City or the City of Los Angeles.

            As far as Admiral Yamamoto, well that's a new twist but then again he got is at Midway, didn't he?

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            • JOVE23
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              • Mar 2008
              • 265

              #81
              Originally posted by MATHA531 View Post
              As far as Admiral Yamamoto, well that's a new twist but then again he got is at Midway, didn't he?
              Yep, then we assassinated him in '43 near Rabaul/Bougainville.

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              • EdTarbusz
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                • Jul 2007
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                #82
                Originally posted by penncentralpete View Post
                .............but a Larry King (forget Peter Golenbock) story (many years after the fact) regarding Red Barber and Joe Garagiola (see thread: Has The Voice Of The Brooks Been Back?) succeeds in gaining credence with you...........wow.
                I consider this story with a grain of salt.

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                • EdTarbusz
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                  #83
                  Originally posted by penncentralpete View Post
                  Ed: You DOUBT TonyPug's reference? He gave you the date and the page number in the New York Times! Good grief man. Accept the fact that this meeting happened!
                  This is how I conduct research. Get pointed to a source and then find it for myself.

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                  • penncentralpete
                    Abe Stark suits me fine
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 1971

                    #84
                    Originally posted by EdTarbusz View Post
                    I consider this story with a grain of salt.
                    But you described Barber as "pompous" because of it!!!
                    you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
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                    • EdTarbusz
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                      #85
                      Originally posted by penncentralpete View Post
                      But you described Barber as "pompous" because of it!!!
                      I don't consider Barber as pompous, but some things I have read about him, and listening to some of his broadcasts, he does not come off as thew nicest guy around. I believe in the the other thread that I said the story made Barber sound pompous.
                      Last edited by EdTarbusz; 08-03-2009, 11:14 AM.

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                      • penncentralpete
                        Abe Stark suits me fine
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 1971

                        #86
                        Originally posted by EdTarbusz View Post
                        I don't consider Barber as pompous, but some things I have read about him, and listening to some of his broadcasts, he does not come off as thew nicest guy around. I believe in the the other thread that I said the story made Barber sound pompous.
                        ....not quite. In the other thread you called Barber a "pompous jerk" (post number 27)
                        you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
                        http://brooklyndodgermemories.freeforums.org/

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                        • EdTarbusz
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                          #87
                          Originally posted by penncentralpete View Post
                          ....not quite. In the other thread you called Barber a "pompous jerk" (post number 27)
                          Actually I said that he comes off like a pompous jerk. That's not the same as calling him a pompous jerk.

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                          • penncentralpete
                            Abe Stark suits me fine
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 1971

                            #88
                            Originally posted by EdTarbusz View Post
                            Actually I said that he comes off like a pompous jerk. That's not the same as calling him a pompous jerk.
                            I'm incredulous. You sound like a politician being interviewed on "60 Minutes"............
                            you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
                            http://brooklyndodgermemories.freeforums.org/

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                            • Let's Go Mets!
                              NY/Staten Island Yankees!
                              • May 2008
                              • 429

                              #89
                              Originally posted by penncentralpete View Post
                              I'm incredulous. You sound like a politician being interviewed on "60 Minutes"............
                              Let's Go Mets!
                              New York Mets fan since 1962

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                              • EdTarbusz
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                                • Jul 2007
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                                #90
                                I will have to take comfort that I can interpret the following as being seperate statements with seperate meanings:

                                the story makes Red Barber comes across like a pompous jerk.

                                as opposed to:

                                Red Barber was a pompous jerk.

                                I said the first, not the second.

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