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    As Mets Falter, Everyone Can Sit in the Cheap Seats



    For the third season in a row, the Mets are not looking like a good team. A miserable 2010 was followed by a winter of frugality that has not inspired a lot of ticket purchasers, which is bad for the embattled owners of the team. But for the average fan, who does not often get the opportunity to sit in premium box seats in a new ballpark, the Mets’ misery is a windfall.

    Care to sit directly behind home plate on Tuesday night at Citi Field, close enough to hear Jose Reyes dig his spikes into the dirt of the batter’s box? As of Monday afternoon, thousands of tickets for the game were available on StubHub, the ticket exchange Web site, including 33 directly behind home plate for $69 and service charges. Face value for those tickets is $134.

    If you would prefer to sit in Metropolitan Box 121, between third base and home plate, $28 (and fees) would secure a seat there. Tickets in that area range in price from $80 to $134, according to the Mets’ Web site. In fact, if you’re not picky about where you sit or who is playing, you can get into the ballpark for as little as $3 a seat.

    Generally, slow Mets ticket sales are not likely to be helped by a homestand that features two teams that, like the Mets, entered Monday in last place in their division: the Houston Astros (5-11) and the Arizona Diamondbacks (6-8). Even during a week of school vacations, these games could be the least marketable for the Mets all season. Still, it is a sign of trouble for the Mets, because the value of their product is shrinking by the game.

    “Those are breathtaking drops in value,” said Marc Ganis, the president of SportsCorp, a sports marketing consultant. “That has to be alarming for the Mets. And those tickets aren’t even sold yet. That’s frightening.” Ganis said that Web sites like StubHub generally reflected the actual value of tickets on the open market. Fansnap.com, a clearinghouse that aggregates available tickets from various Web sites, offered $68 tickets to Tuesday’s game at Citi Field for $12, and had some upper-deck seats available for as little as $3.

    “That has to be a scary proposition for the owner of a team,” Ganis said, “because it’s a major indicator of the future problems.” Ganis said the Mets were actually an aberration because attendance in baseball has been rising in recent years. “Bud Selig and his people have done an excellent job because the overall numbers are up, even with the Mets’ numbers dragging them down,” Ganis said.

    The Mets are averaging 30,738 fans after six home dates , which places them 13th out of 30 teams. Last season, they averaged 32,401 in 79 dates, which placed them 12th. Their overall attendance in 2010, 2,559,738, reflected a 19 percent drop from the year before, when they drew 3,154,270 in Citi Field’s first season. The decrease was the largest in baseball over that period.

    Not surprisingly, the Mets lost $50 million last year, and they expect to lose a significant amount again this year. An increase in ticket sales would be a much-needed boost for the Mets, who had to borrow $25 million from Major League Baseball last fall and are seeking a buyer for a portion of the team.

    Unfortunately, the Mets have internally projected that their attendance will be lower this year than last year, mostly because attendance figures often reflect what happened the year before, and because there is a perception that the team will not perform better on the field.

    In 2010, the Mets finished with a 79-83 record, 18 games out of first place in the National League East and 12 games back in the N.L. wild-card standings. But they had moments of promise; they were competitive in the first half of the season, going 18-8 in June, and headed into the All-Star break a game back in the wild-card race at 48-40.

    That optimism quickly disappeared after a 2-9 West Coast trip, and by the end of the season, the drop in attendance was staggering. In the off-season, the Mets replaced roughly half of their roster, adding 12 new players for the modest expenditure of $10.8 million. No big stars were added, though, tempering fans’ hopes for a turnaround.

    Now the team comes home to play in front of what are likely to be sparse crowds at Citi Field. Even after the Mets ended a seven-game losing streak with a 3-2 win over the Atlanta Braves on Sunday, it was only their second win in 12 games. That is close to the worst possible start for a franchise that yearned for a quick start to the season. But for fans looking for a bargain, it is an opportunity. Too bad they cannot buy their beer on StubHub as well.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/sp...ll/19mets.html

  2. #38677
    I love the NY Times, but they use a lot of words to state the obvious; when a team is losing, fewer fans attend games.

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    So... when does that big market advantage that has been killing the Pirates and Royals kick in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tugger View Post
    Akshuly, the Beatles show at Shea in 65 was not "the first ever outdoor rock concert" as started with the Shea model. It wasn't even the first Beatles show at a MLB stadium. That ticket backside is pretty hilarious. Ol' Charlie was a card, bless him.
    Majestic Multi-Purpose Stadium designed for such things as a massive music venue > Former Minor League Ballpark re-dressed to host a Major League Team, not much different than if the Beatles showed up at Newport Festival or whatnot. Which, I'm sure you can count as Rock since acts considered rock by anyone's standards (Elvis, Cash, etc) played there

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandrake View Post
    Mrs Payson died in 1975. She had been sick before that, but Grant in '77 ruined the team by himself.
    Oh yeah, good point (duh, slap on forehead)

    I'm just still angry when I think of THAT name ... grrrrrrrrrrrrr

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    I have to concede that going to Met games now is kind of like how my golf game has evolved. I used to be very, very competitive and now it is all about the green grass, the blue sky and the exercise...

  7. #38682
    Quote Originally Posted by Fudbutter View Post
    Oh yeah, good point (duh, slap on forehead)

    I'm just still angry when I think of THAT name ... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
    Let's hope we don't add Alderson to that litany...you really want an empty stadium, paper bags on heads, and some nasty signage? Trade the SS....
    Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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    as of the completion of the 2010 season

    David Wright
    532 career at bats in Citi Field he has 17 HR's
    218 career at bats in Philly he has 14 HR's

    The dimensions suck....
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    1888, 1889, 1904, 1905, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1917, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1933, 1936, 1937, 1951, 1954, 1969, 1973, 1986, 2000

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  9. #38684
    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryField View Post
    as of the completion of the 2010 season

    David Wright
    532 career at bats in Citi Field he has 17 HR's
    218 career at bats in Philly he has 14 HR's

    The dimensions suck....
    I would agree with your theory about the dimensions but the visiting teams have no issues with the dimensions.
    changing the dimensions will cost millions and ownership will be unlikely to spend any money.

  10. #38685
    Quote Originally Posted by peterrod16 View Post
    I would agree with your theory about the dimensions but the visiting teams have no issues with the dimensions.
    changing the dimensions will cost millions and ownership will be unlikely to spend any money.
    Check the stats last season. Your theory holds no water. The dimensions should be fair to both hitter and pitcher. Good pitching is good in any sized park, no need to artificially create better pitching at home because you still have to play 81 on the road. So if you have a mediocre pitching staff who does great at home, it all cancels out and then some on the road.

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    Mets gave up 47 HR's at home best in baseball by far. They gave up like the 2nd or 3rd most HR's on the road. Forgot total but it was in the low 80's.

    Seems teams had a hard time at Citi last year.
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    New York (A.A.) 1884 Brooklyn (A.A.) 1889

  12. #38687
    Quote Originally Posted by majorleads View Post
    Check the stats last season. Your theory holds no water. The dimensions should be fair to both hitter and pitcher. Good pitching is good in any sized park, no need to artificially create better pitching at home because you still have to play 81 on the road. So if you have a mediocre pitching staff who does great at home, it all cancels out and then some on the road.
    My theory is regarding this year home run stats at citi field.(visiting team 10 Mets 6)
    http://www.hittrackeronline.com/inde...=&b=Citi+Field
    I saw D Wright fly ball on TV that would easily be a homer in CBP or NYS but it was a long 390+ out.
    I have walked on the field and the Right center field dimensions are big but its all up to ownership for a change to occur.
    If someone could draw up a design of new dimensions in right center field that would be nice to see.

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    Triples are more fun than homeruns.

    Besides, that fly ball D. Wrights hit to right field was his fault not Citifield's. Down by one run with the bases loaded calls for you to make contact and get the ball out of the infield not out of the ballpark. Him swinging for the fences in that situation is another testament to his atrocious situational hitting unprowess. I'd trade him before Reyes even though many Mets fans are when it comes to Wrights egregious game killing weaknesses.
    Last edited by trepye; 04-20-2011 at 08:32 AM.
    Definition of a homerun: When the baseball gets hit to a DISTANCE that the fielder cannot get it into homeplate before the batter rounds the bases.

    Associated Press -- Citi Field's smaller dimensions helped opponents more than the New York Mets.
    Thanks Sandy Alderson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterrod16 View Post
    My theory is regarding this year home run stats at citi field.(visiting team 10 Mets 6)
    http://www.hittrackeronline.com/inde...=&b=Citi+Field
    I saw D Wright fly ball on TV that would easily be a homer in CBP or NYS but it was a long 390+ out.
    I have walked on the field and the Right center field dimensions are big but its all up to ownership for a change to occur.
    If someone could draw up a design of new dimensions in right center field that would be nice to see.
    If thats what you're going by then you would be correct. But that is a very small sample size and don't you think it has more to do with the Mets terrible pitching and their own weak hitting?

    There is also no need for a high wall in LF. What is the point of that? Why would you build a park where it frustrates half your team? How do you expect them to have confidence when they go on the road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterrod16 View Post
    I saw D Wright fly ball on TV that would easily be a homer in CBP or NYS but it was a long 390+ out.
    I have walked on the field and the Right center field dimensions are big but its all up to ownership for a change to occur.
    If someone could draw up a design of new dimensions in right center field that would be nice to see.
    I hope not! I can't speak for others, but I prefer the large dimensions. I like knowing that when someone hits it out of Citi, they really got it all. (Unlike another New York ballpark I can think of.)

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    I agree that Wright should have just got a hit up the middle to win the game, but the dimensions should still be changed.

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    Right Field

    Hey peterrod16, here is a solution for making right field/right center more hitter friendly along with some other changes I had made a while back. The wall in front of the bullpen is meant to be a chain link fence but I don't know how to do that.
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    I am going to tonight's game. Who else is going?

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    ^^Like the blue, otherwise the outfield walls are a boring layout; no charm or character....looks like Anyballpark, USA.
    Last edited by trepye; 04-20-2011 at 11:35 AM.
    Definition of a homerun: When the baseball gets hit to a DISTANCE that the fielder cannot get it into homeplate before the batter rounds the bases.

    Associated Press -- Citi Field's smaller dimensions helped opponents more than the New York Mets.
    Thanks Sandy Alderson.

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    Obviously you would put stuff on there, I just threw out a rough draft of how to make the dimensions in right a bit shorter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris86 View Post
    Obviously you would put stuff on there, I just threw out a rough draft of how to make the dimensions in right a bit shorter.
    chris86 nice job.
    That is exactly what i was thinking.
    I would keep the batters eye black.
    You could easily extend the mo zone party area with the moved in fence
    Also the bullpen be placed where a majority of the fans can see who is warming up.
    as for the blue walls the color i dont know if it will work
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gary_du...7624524919565/
    here is a photo from Gary D at the Mets Hall of Fame celebration.
    the blue would either in between the light citi blue and the dark blue.
    dont know if the hitters would like the blue.

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    Actually I like the quirkiness of the walls, just wish they weren't so damn deep. LF can have a high wall but you need to bring the fence in at least 10 ft. Love the overhang but it rarely comes into play, they should have extended it over the bullpens. LF they need to seriously get rid of that third deck. I'd even get rid of the 2nd deck and the restaurant, just add to the first level of seats in left. Put the main scoreboard above that and leave center field open.

  23. #38698
    Quote Originally Posted by peterrod16 View Post
    chris86 nice job.
    That is exactly what i was thinking.
    I would keep the batters eye black.
    You could easily extend the mo zone party area with the moved in fence
    Also the bullpen be placed where a majority of the fans can see who is warming up.
    as for the blue walls the color i dont know if it will work
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gary_du...7624524919565/
    here is a photo from Gary D at the Mets Hall of Fame celebration.
    the blue would either in between the light citi blue and the dark blue.
    dont know if the hitters would like the blue.

    Citi Field is already a jumbled mess with all of the different colored ads, I don't think blue walls would make any difference. If anything it would probably make the park look less dreary looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJbaseball00024 View Post
    I am going to tonight's game. Who else is going?
    I'll be there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJbaseball00024 View Post
    I am going to tonight's game. Who else is going?
    I'd have been there, but there is puck at the Garden tonight. I gave my tickets away.

    My Mets tickets, not my Rangers tickets....

    Cheers!
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