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    Quote Originally Posted by milladrive View Post
    Perhaps I heard him wrong then. I thought I heard Ralph merely compare the wall to the one that used to be higher and farther away at Forbes Field. I seem to remember him ending his comment with something to the effect of, "And people complain think this wall is tough?"
    You heard correctly, he actually said both. First he complained why did they build that wall so high, it should have been a home run, but then after that he talked about the wall in Forbes Field and did finish with the statement you say he did. He actually contradicted HIMSELF. ha ha ha
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    Quote Originally Posted by dabigyankeeman View Post
    You heard correctly, he actually said both. First he complained why did they build that wall so high, it should have been a home run, but then after that he talked about the wall in Forbes Field and did finish with the statement you say he did. He actually contradicted HIMSELF. ha ha ha
    Haha, it sure wouldn't be the first time. But that does makes sense. For a minute, I thought I'd dreamt it.
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    Well, Kiener does have a point, his feet are in both worlds/mentalities of the real throwback stadiums and todays imitiations. Citifield is nothing compared to Forbes or Griffith, or even Seals stadium. In those golden years of baseball the game was still popular, and fans understood them and embraced them. Today's folks cry about Citifield which is a bandbox compared to those stadiums. Unfortunately, the large outfield is one element of the throwback stadium that has not/will not been preserved.

    Its funny how these people say they love the long ball, yet in fact, to make it a "long ball" they're going to make it trave a shorter distance. Oxymoronic

    They should define it as it is, not a long ball, but a not-so-well-hit ball with a handicapp. Spare us all the BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trepye View Post
    Well, Kiener does have a point, his feet are in both worlds/mentalities of the real throwback stadiums and todays imitiations. Citifield is nothing compared to Forbes or Griffith, or even Seals stadium. In those golden years of baseball the game was still popular, and fans understood them and embraced them. Today's folks cry about Citifield which is a bandbox compared to those stadiums. Unfortunately, the large outfield is one element of the throwback stadium that has not/will not been preserved.

    Its funny how these people say they love the long ball, yet in fact, to make it a "long ball" they're going to make it trave a shorter distance. Oxymoronic

    They should define it as it is, not a long ball, but a not-so-well-hit ball with a handicapp. Spare us all the BS.
    So Jason Bay's drive on Wednesday was not well hit? I swear, what will it take for people to realize that this is not the 19th century and Ty Cobb anymore! This is the era of slugging. Only two teams in modern baseball history won with speed and singles hitting (1982 Cardinals and 2010 Giants). No team wins today without a power threat. Even the Singles hitting 1980s Cardinals had Jack Clark. Jesus Christ.
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    What do you guys think of Citi Fields field angle or field footprint as opposed to Shea's? Home plate to 3rd at Shea was to the northeast, almost east while at Citi its Northwesterly, so even your typical 1:10 PM start looks like its more like 3:15 PM at old Shea or Yankee Stadium.
    I really noticed it yesterday because it was so sunny and clear.
    I like it because it seems to eliminate the shadows that were used to seeing. I can't remember how it looks in the high summer sun but I would figure right now were close.

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    I think it just moves the shadow time later. It also depends on what month of the year it is.

    Here's a shot of David Wright at the plate in late September last year (the second to last game of the season) at Citi Field around 3:45pm, just before he hit a 3-run go-ahead homer:



    And the top of the next inning, when the Nationals were batting around 3:50pm:




    Bottom line - I think it's great for 1:10pm and 7:10pm games for most of the baseball season, and makes for a shadow over home plate at the start of any FOX 4:10pm games. The shadows only reach home plate as early at 3:45pm in late September, I was at yesterday's day game and the shadows were not there over home plate to end the game around 4:00pm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJbaseball00024 View Post
    So Jason Bay's drive on Wednesday was not well hit?
    Obviously not enough to clear the wall, same wall that Tulowitzcki cleared 4 times in 4games. Dont bring up Bay he has been a feeble hitter with an even feebler mental makeup. Hitting is not just trying to hit it out of the park everytime, yet this is what Bay tries to do on a daily basis with his absurd overswings.

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    I swear, what will it take for people to realize that this is not the 19th century and Ty Cobb anymore! This is the era of slugging.
    Did you watch any of last season?

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    Only two teams in modern baseball history won with speed and singles hitting (1982 Cardinals and 2010 Giants). No team wins today without a power threat.
    Umm....isnt 2010 considered today???
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    Even the Singles hitting 1980s Cardinals had Jack Clark. Jesus Christ.
    Mets have Ike Davis who hits REAL homeruns. If there was no such thing as outfield walls he could round the bases twice he hits them so far, this ballpark is not a problem for him. Strawberry is in the same category; REAL homerun hitters, not hitters that exploit short fences/distances.
    Definition of a homerun: When the baseball gets hit to a DISTANCE that the fielder cannot get it into homeplate before the batter rounds the bases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robardin View Post
    I think it just moves the shadow time later. It also depends on what month of the year it is.

    Here's a shot of David Wright at the plate in late September last year (the second to last game of the season) at Citi Field around 3:45pm, just before he hit a 3-run go-ahead homer:



    And the top of the next inning, when the Nationals were batting around 3:50pm:




    Bottom line - I think it's great for 1:10pm and 7:10pm games for most of the baseball season, and makes for a shadow over home plate at the start of any FOX 4:10pm games. The shadows only reach home plate as early at 3:45pm in late September, I was at yesterday's day game and the shadows were not there over home plate to end the game around 4:00pm.
    Oh yes you're right, but yea since its mostly only affecting 4:00 games then its not so bad because they are far less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trepye View Post
    Obviously not enough to clear the wall, same wall that Tulowitzcki cleared 4 times in 4games. Dont bring up Bay he has been a feeble hitter with an even feebler mental makeup. Hitting is not just trying to hit it out of the park everytime, yet this is what Bay tries to do on a daily basis with his absurd overswings.


    Did you watch any of last season?


    Umm....isnt 2010 considered today???

    Mets have Ike Davis who hits REAL homeruns. If there was no such thing as outfield walls he could round the bases twice he hits them so far, this ballpark is not a problem for him. Strawberry is in the same category; REAL homerun hitters, not hitters that exploit short fences/distances.
    Yea it is interesting how the home run hitters from other teams have found ways to get balls out of Citi, and yet our light hitting squad has had issues.

    However on the flip side I do still think that Citi fields walls in come spots can come in a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJbaseball00024
    I swear, what will it take for people to realize that this is not the 19th century and Ty Cobb anymore! This is the era of slugging.
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    Only two teams in modern baseball history won with speed and singles hitting (1982 Cardinals and 2010 Giants). No team wins today without a power threat.
    No argument here about whether or not players should try to hit HRs, or whether teams should view power as an essential component of a winning lineup.

    The question is, why do you think a home ballpark dictates whether a team hits home runs or not? It doesn't. Do the walls pick up a bat? No. The players do.

    The Mets are not lacking in power because of Citi Field. They are lacking in power because they are lacking in power hitting players.

    With David Wright and Ike Davis are out, Carlos Beltran is basically the ONLY hitter in the current Mets lineup who can project to hit 30 HRs over a full season. And that's assuming he will play a full season; he hasn't actually hit 30+ HRs since 2008, due to not playing a whole lot in 2009 and 2010. The Mets are underpowered even on paper.

    Also, not only do the Mets play half their games on the road, roughly half of the plate appearances at Citi Field are taken by the opposing team. (Probably MORE than half, given the state of the Mets' pitching.) Making it easier to hit home runs would therefore benefit the opponents MORE than it would the Mets. Why do you want to do this?

    This is the danger of associative thinking:

    1 - The Mets hit lots of homers in 2006-2008
    2 - The Mets moved to Citi Field in 2009
    3 - Since 2009 the Mets are in the bottom of the NL in HRs
    4 - Citi Field has high / distant walls
    5 - It must be the fault of Citi Field's wall dimensions
    6 - Fix the wall dimensions and you fix the Mets

    First, going from #5 to #6 is reversing logical inferences so even if #5 were actually true, that doesn't make #6 true. It would "fix" the Mets' home game hitting stats, while also "fixing" (boosting) the visitors' stats by a roughly equal factor.

    Second, #5 is apparently easy to refute because in 2009, when the Mets were literally dead last in HRs in all of MLB (the team lead went to Dan Murphy with 12), Citi Field was actually 12th out of the 30 MLB parks (and 4th out of 16 NL parks) in the number of HRs hit per game, averaging more than one per game! Was it the Mets' pitching? Not really - the 2009 Mets pitching staff gave up 158 HRs, good for 10th out of 16 (where the 1st out of 16 gave up the MOST home runs).

    So if it's not the walls that are to blame for the drop in Mets home runs, what is? Let's check the most obvious answer first: the players with the bats in their hands. The 2006-2008 Mets had a highly productive trio of Wright, Delgado and Beltran, and even Reyes contributed a lot of pop out of the leadoff spot while playing nearly every day. Beltran and Reyes have missed tons of time since 2008, and Wright has declined as a hitter overall. Meanwhile, Delgado's power was replaced with a rotating set of players in Gary Sheffield, Jeff Francoeur and Jason Bay... Who was brought in to fill Delgado's role in the lineup, but has hit worse in terms of OPS in 2011 than Luis Castillo did over his 3 years as a Met. Big drop off there.

    Here are the sum of HRs hit by the top 5 Mets HR hitters per season since 2006:

    2006 - 142 HRs
    Beltran (41), Delgado (38), Wright (26), Reyes (19), Valentin (18)

    2007 - 112 HRs
    Beltran (33), Wright (30), Delgado (24), Alou (13), Reyes (12)

    2008 - 126 HRs
    Delgado (38), Wright (33), Beltran (27), Reyes (16), Church (12)

    2009 - 52 HRs
    Murphy (12), Wright (10), Sheffield (10), Beltran (10), Francoeur (10)

    2010 - 82 HRs
    Wright (29), Davis (19), Barajas (12), Reyes (11), Pagan (11)

    If you pulled in the walls of Citi Field to 200 feet from home plate then yeah, I guess even Ruben Tejada could hit double digit HRs. But the opposing teams would tee off like you wouldn't believe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Vaz View Post
    Yea it is interesting how the home run hitters from other teams have found ways to get balls out of Citi, and yet our light hitting squad has had issues.

    However on the flip side I do still think that Citi fields walls in come spots can come in a little.
    Agree, the ballpark can stand some tweaking. I support the idea of moving home plate up to shorten the distances a little bit. It's the repeated statement of "the Mets need more homers, therefore move the walls in" that is so illogical that it drives me nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robardin View Post
    No argument here about whether or not players should try to hit HRs, or whether teams should view power as an essential component of a winning lineup.

    The question is, why do you think a home ballpark dictates whether a team hits home runs or not? It doesn't. Do the walls pick up a bat? No. The players do.

    The Mets are not lacking in power because of Citi Field. They are lacking in power because they are lacking in power hitting players.

    With David Wright and Ike Davis are out, Carlos Beltran is basically the ONLY hitter in the current Mets lineup who can project to hit 30 HRs over a full season. And that's assuming he will play a full season; he hasn't actually hit 30+ HRs since 2008, due to not playing a whole lot in 2009 and 2010. The Mets are underpowered even on paper.

    Also, not only do the Mets play half their games on the road, roughly half of the plate appearances at Citi Field are taken by the opposing team. (Probably MORE than half, given the state of the Mets' pitching.) Making it easier to hit home runs would therefore benefit the opponents MORE than it would the Mets. Why do you want to do this?

    This is the danger of associative thinking:

    1 - The Mets hit lots of homers in 2006-2008
    2 - The Mets moved to Citi Field in 2009
    3 - Since 2009 the Mets are in the bottom of the NL in HRs
    4 - Citi Field has high / distant walls
    5 - It must be the fault of Citi Field's wall dimensions
    6 - Fix the wall dimensions and you fix the Mets

    First, going from #5 to #6 is reversing logical inferences so even if #5 were actually true, that doesn't make #6 true. It would "fix" the Mets' home game hitting stats, while also "fixing" (boosting) the visitors' stats by a roughly equal factor.

    Second, #5 is apparently easy to refute because in 2009, when the Mets were literally dead last in HRs in all of MLB (the team lead went to Dan Murphy with 12), Citi Field was actually 12th out of the 30 MLB parks (and 4th out of 16 NL parks) in the number of HRs hit per game, averaging more than one per game! Was it the Mets' pitching? Not really - the 2009 Mets pitching staff gave up 158 HRs, good for 10th out of 16 (where the 1st out of 16 gave up the MOST home runs).

    So if it's not the walls that are to blame for the drop in Mets home runs, what is? Let's check the most obvious answer first: the players with the bats in their hands. The 2006-2008 Mets had a highly productive trio of Wright, Delgado and Beltran, and even Reyes contributed a lot of pop out of the leadoff spot while playing nearly every day. Beltran and Reyes have missed tons of time since 2008, and Wright has declined as a hitter overall. Meanwhile, Delgado's power was replaced with a rotating set of players in Gary Sheffield, Jeff Francoeur and Jason Bay... Who was brought in to fill Delgado's role in the lineup, but has hit worse in terms of OPS in 2011 than Luis Castillo did over his 3 years as a Met. Big drop off there.

    Here are the sum of HRs hit by the top 5 Mets HR hitters per season since 2006:

    2006 - 142 HRs
    Beltran (41), Delgado (38), Wright (26), Reyes (19), Valentin (18)

    2007 - 112 HRs
    Beltran (33), Wright (30), Delgado (24), Alou (13), Reyes (12)

    2008 - 126 HRs
    Delgado (38), Wright (33), Beltran (27), Reyes (16), Church (12)

    2009 - 52 HRs
    Murphy (12), Wright (10), Sheffield (10), Beltran (10), Francoeur (10)

    2010 - 82 HRs
    Wright (29), Davis (19), Barajas (12), Reyes (11), Pagan (11)

    If you pulled in the walls of Citi Field to 200 feet from home plate then yeah, I guess even Ruben Tejada could hit double digit HRs. But the opposing teams would tee off like you wouldn't believe.




    Agree, the ballpark can stand some tweaking. I support the idea of moving home plate up to shorten the distances a little bit. It's the repeated statement of "the Mets need more homers, therefore move the walls in" that is so illogical that it drives me nuts.
    Great post Robardin - agree with everything in it. You're fast becoming the Nate Silver of BBF! I too agree with a tweaking of the distances - I'd like to see them close over/even up the Mo's Zone cut-out. I actually love the LF walls as they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robardin View Post
    2010 - 82 HRs
    Wright (29), Davis (19), Barajas (12), Reyes (11), Pagan (11)
    I think you should distinguish between home runs hit on the road and at Citi Field.

    Davis hits one into McCovey Cove:
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    Pagan homers off Livan Hernandez:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue387 View Post
    I think you should distinguish between home runs hit on the road and at Citi Field.

    Davis hits one into McCovey Cove:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10010065

    Pagan homers off Livan Hernandez:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8141357

    It'd be interesting to see the home/away splits for these guys, true, but my point overall was that the 2009 and 2010 Mets were not comparable to the 2008 Mets in terms of power just by looking at the names in the list. The HR tallies shouldn't really surprise anyone, except for David Wright's total of 10 for 2009 when he didn't really miss that much time. For 2010, take away Delgado and Beltran and remove 1/3 of the season from Reyes, and add back in Davis and a struggling Bay who also missed a lot of time... And the #3 HR hitter suddenly becomes a part-time catcher who was traded by the end of the season, and the #4/#5 HR hitter is a tie between two players who are prototypical leadoff batters.

    There's the problem to focus on from a team perspective. Moving the walls around should be thought of in the context of "how can we make the ballpark experience better for the spectators", not "how does this end up contributing to the team's ability to win more games".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue387 View Post
    The very BEST major league baseball has to offer, yanked away throughout the years in favor of outfield seating and mental indolence.
    Shame.
    Definition of a homerun: When the baseball gets hit to a DISTANCE that the fielder cannot get it into homeplate before the batter rounds the bases.

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    I am not denying that we do not have many power hitters in this lineup. This roster is filled with Swiss cheese holes, as 2009 proved. We have no depth at all. However, you cannot deny that this ballpark has played a huge role in Wright and Bay's decline.
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    Here is something many people have forgotten. When this ballpark opened, we had THREE power hitters in this lineup. Why build a park that kills their strengths? If you are playing in such a huge park like this one, why have three power hitters in your lineup, and then sign a fourth one the following year? This logic is one of many reasons why fans want this ownership group gone.
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    In case you are wondering my idea for a dimension change, I would remove the Mo's Zone and make right field a short porch (315-320). I would keep the rest of the park as it is. It is not that expensive and it would help our offense in a huge way.
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    Mets Pitchers have given up 22 HR's at home this year. 35 on the road.

    Mets Pitchers gave up 47 HR's at home last year best in the majors by far...the least a Mets staff has given up at home since the 1988 Mets. They gave up 88 HR's on the road last year 3rd worst in the league.

    So I'd say that Citi Field has had a big effect on the power totals of the opposition.

    2009-2010 HR's allowed by the Mets staff
    Home 69
    road 123

    So it seems a team is almost twice as likely to hit a HR off the Mets when not playing at Citi Field.

    So can we stop with the "the other team doesn't have a problem knocking them" out cause they do.
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    Oh, and the 2010 San Francisco Giants hit 162 HR's good for 6th in the league....They also stole 55 bases as a team good for 15th in the N.L. so where guys are coming to the conclusion that the Giants offense was based on singles and speed is beyond me!
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