Yankee Stadium [II]

[YanksRule]

Yanks:
Thank you for the thoughtful and thorough insight...
I would consider the walk from Fort Lee option however I feel my chances of getting knifed along the way would go way up with the additional distance...
Seriously though, I know there are some parking garages in the area over the Macombs Bridge and would still be interested to know if anyone hoofs it from there...
I go to enough games per year right now where I have decided I am done paying for parking and am looking at all the options to keep the whole experience affordable.
There has to be a compassionate Yankee fan out there who can throw me a bone! Have some mercy! My team sucks right now!!!

During the daylight, going through that part of Manhattan is okay... at night I understand your concerns.

I wonder why NJ Transit can't do the reverse of what the Metro North does- MNR has a few trains that go direct from Westchester & Connecticut to Secaucus junction for football games- that means there is a connection between the Metro North and NJ Transit tracks- couldn't NJT have trains go to Yankee Stadium, at least off peak on weekends? Or even just a bus would work...

For reference, here are the details of what the Metro North does- http://www.mta.info/mnr/html/SchedPDF_vWEB_Brochure.pdf

[DN4L]

No matter how old NYS gets (whether it be 40 or 50 years), it will never change the fact that the upper deck is pushed back 80+ feet.

That is not a fact, and you are completely wrong..

I sat in row M in the upper deck at RYS, which was 10 rows from the roof, and I now I sit in row 10, which is only 4 rows from the roof.
Even though I am now closer to the last row in NYS, than I was at RYS. I am closer to the field in my NYS seats.
And this is a fact that will never change, in regards to being closer to the field in the upper deck, in NYS, compared to the upper deck in RYS..

[abc006]

That is not a fact, and you are completely wrong..

I sat in row M in the upper deck at RYS, which was 10 rows from the roof, and I now I sit in row 10, which is only 4 rows from the roof.
Even though I am now closer to the last row in NYS, than I was at RYS. I am closer to the field in my NYS seats.
And this is a fact that will never change, in regards to being closer to the field in the upper deck, in NYS, compared to the upper deck in RYS..

I feel ike this conversation has been had 10 times before this...

The fact is, the upper decks are different, very different, and, to me, they have a negative effect on the architecture. Compare, as it has been millions of times before:



Do you like the upper deck at NYS better than RYS? If you do, that's fine. But don't say they aren't different, that they don't have a large effect on the stadium.

Plus, maybe because of smaller foul grounds, the upper deck is technically closer to the plate, but the upper deck in NYS is NOT as close to the end of the lower stands as in RYS, anybody can see that by looking at the picture. As far as I know, there hasn't been a single upper deck homer in NYS yet.

[li7039]

section 201 in the bleachers which side of the section is obstructed? Low seat numbers or high numbers?

[DN4L]

I feel ike this conversation has been had 10 times before this...

The fact is, the upper decks are different, very different, and, to me, they have a negative effect on the architecture. Compare, as it has been millions of times before:
Do you like the upper deck at NYS better than RYS? If you do, that's fine. But don't say they aren't different, that they don't have a large effect on the stadium.
Plus, maybe because of smaller foul grounds, the upper deck is technically closer to the plate, but the upper deck in NYS is NOT as close to the end of the lower stands as in RYS, anybody can see that by looking at the picture. As far as I know, there hasn't been a single upper deck homer in NYS yet.

I just have to set the record straight for people who never entered either..

The upper deck in NYS is "NOT" "80 PLUS feet" farther away from the field, compared to RYS...
I was a season ticket holder in both, and I'm stating right here and now, through my "personal experience" in both...
You are closer to the field in NYS, than in RYS, in the upper deck.

Once Locke stops with his falsified diatribe of NYS, then it will finally come to an end..
But with the way he keeps bashing NYS with "everything under the sun", be ready to hear it for an 11th time, in the future!!!

[mets16]

You are closer to the field at NYS thats for sure. However, I felt more "on top" of the action in the upper deck at RYS. I preferred the old upper deck, but to each his own.

[Gary Dunaier]

section 201 in the bleachers which side of the section is obstructed? Low seat numbers or high numbers?

See for yourself... here's the view from behind Bleachers 201, row 24, seat 8...


(Photo taken September 30, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here.)

[quagmire]

I just have to set the record straight for people who never entered either..

The upper deck in NYS is "NOT" "80 PLUS feet" farther away from the field, compared to RYS...
I was a season ticket holder in both, and I'm stating right here and now, through my "personal experience" in both...
You are closer to the field in NYS, than in RYS, in the upper deck.

Once Locke stops with his falsified diatribe of NYS, then it will finally come to an end..
But with the way he keeps bashing NYS with "everything under the sun", be ready to hear it for an 11th time, in the future!!!

You are closer to the field at NYS thats for sure. However, I felt more "on top" of the action in the upper deck at RYS. I preferred the old upper deck, but to each his own.

I believe the Yankees stated the upper deck is 15-20 ft further back compared OYS, but as stated before as well they moved the field back by 20 ft. You are also lower in the seating bowl setup in NYS compared to OYS's stacked setup in the upper deck.

[locke40]

I just have to set the record straight for people who never entered either..

The upper deck in NYS is "NOT" "80 PLUS feet" farther away from the field, compared to RYS...
I was a season ticket holder in both, and I'm stating right here and now, through my "personal experience" in both...
You are closer to the field in NYS, than in RYS, in the upper deck.

Once Locke stops with his falsified diatribe of NYS, then it will finally come to an end..
But with the way he keeps bashing NYS with "everything under the sun", be ready to hear it for an 11th time, in the future!!!

Just because you think you are right, doesn't make it so. You utter anecdotal evidence as if it is fact, but I can't buy into it until we can get our hands on concrete measurements. But answer me this question: if the upper deck is so much closer, then why hasn't there been one upper deck homerun in 2 years? Why do foul balls that would routinely go into the upper deck, now fall into the main level? Why have players stated that the NYS feels more spread out than the RYS?

"Oakland's Jason Giambi, who spent seven seasons with the Yankees, said the new stadium is "kind of bigger and more spread out than the other one." In the old ballpark, it felt as if the fans "were on top of you," he said. "That made old Yankee Stadium so great."

Pricey seats at new Yankee Stadium a Bronx bomb

[LI METS FAN]

What would be ideal is if there is an overlay-type diagram of RYS and NYS together for proof. Similar to StadiumPage's submission on the Citi Field thread, page 645 #16106. Architect's diagram of Shea, then CF, showing how much lower and closer to the field CF is for the most part.
An overlay of New Yankee Stadium over the old would be definitive, wonder if something like that is out there?

[locke40]

What would be ideal is if there is an overlay-type diagram of RYS and NYS together for proof. Similar to StadiumPage's submission on the Citi Field thread, age 645 #16106. Architect's diagram of Shea, then CF, showing how much lower and closer to the field CF is for the most part.
An overlay of New Yankee Stadium over the old would be definitive, wonder if something like that is out there?

Yes, that would be perfect. But if we haven't seen it on this site yet, I don't think it exists. The Shea/Citi one is professionally done.

[DN4L]

Just because you think you are right, doesn't make it so. You utter anecdotal evidence as if it is fact, but I can't buy into it until we can get our hands on concrete measurements. But answer me this question: if the upper deck is so much closer, then why hasn't there been one upper deck homerun in 2 years? Why do foul balls that would routinely go into the upper deck, now fall into the main level? Why have players stated that the NYS feels more spread out than the RYS?

"Oakland's Jason Giambi, who spent seven seasons with the Yankees, said the new stadium is "kind of bigger and more spread out than the other one." In the old ballpark, it felt as if the fans "were on top of you," he said. "That made old Yankee Stadium so great."

Pricey seats at new Yankee Stadium a Bronx bomb

There have been no upper deck home runs, because the upper deck is smaller, but it is by no means, farther away.
They took away 10,000 seats in the upper deck, in NYS, and transferred them down below.
Had they kept the upper deck at 30,000 total, then we would have seen upper deck home runs in NYS, because there would be additional lower rows where the right field luxury suites are. However, the grandstand section is not farther away, compared to RYS. There's just less of it.

So being a season ticket holder in the upper deck, in both RYS & NYS, for years mind you, makes my statement an anecdote??
In that case, I guess we better eliminate all "eye witness" testimony in courtrooms across America, because what somebody sees with their own eyes is simply "anecdotal evidence".

Speaking of which, where's your "concrete proof" that the upper deck in NYS, is "80 feet plus" further away??
Talk about uttering "anecdotal evidence"!


PS: I just noticed your added Jason Giambi quote..
Giambi is right. NYS is bigger, and grander than RYS. But it still doesn't mean the seats are farther away. There's less foul ball territory, and the right/centerfield fence is slightly closer. So how could the the seats be farther away? It just doesn't compute!
The last time Giambi was in NYS, was in May of 2009. When the moat was basically empty. Maybe that's why he felt the fans were right on top of you in RYS, and not in NYS. Pedroia said the same thing last year about the empty seats behind the dugout. He said was so quiet because of the empty seats. Not because the fans seemed so far away.

[dstoffa]

There have been no upper deck home runs, because the upper deck is smaller, but it is by no means, farther away.
They took away 10,000 seats in the upper deck, in NYS, and transferred them down below.
Had they kept the upper deck at 30,000 total, then we would have seen upper deck home runs in NYS, because there would be additional lower rows where the right field luxury suites are. However, the grandstand section is not farther away, compared to RYS. There's just less of it.

In NYS, the Grandstand is CLOSER to the field between the bases than the Tier was in RYS. In RYS, the Tier was closer to the field past the infield dirt. In RYS, you could TOUCH the foul poles from Tier box seats. Not so in the new place from Terrace seating. Nor do I think you can touch the foul pole from Main Level Seating in NYS. Since we know that the field dimensions are the same, how can you say that the GS is not further away? Remember, Loge seating in RYS was all under the cover of the tier.

So, you are both correct, depending on what portion of the parks you compare.

In NYS, the seats behind the plate were brought in. The seats down the lines were pushed back a bit, giving more of a rounded bowl seating arrangement. RYS was straight down the line and in close.

So being a season ticket holder in the upper deck, in both RYS & NYS, for years mind you, makes my statement an anecdote??
In that case, I guess we better eliminate all "eye witness" testimony in courtrooms across America, because what somebody sees with their own eyes is simply "anecdotal evidence".

Speaking of which, where's your "concrete proof" that the upper deck in NYS, is "80 feet plus" further away??
Talk about uttering "anecdotal evidence"!

I don't know about 80 feet, but since I cannot touch the foul poles, they Terrace must be further back.

Cheers!
-Doug

[locke40]

There have been no upper deck home runs, because the upper deck is smaller, but it is by no means, farther away.
They took away 10,000 seats in the upper deck, in NYS, and transferred them down below.
Had they kept the upper deck at 30,000 total, then we would have seen upper deck home runs in NYS, because there would be additional lower rows where the right field luxury suites are. However, the grandstand section is not farther away, compared to RYS. There's just less of it.

So being a season ticket holder in the upper deck, in both RYS & NYS, for years mind you, makes my statement an anecdote??
In that case, I guess we better eliminate all "eye witness" testimony in courtrooms across America, because what somebody sees with their own eyes is simply "anecdotal evidence".

Speaking of which, where's your "concrete proof" that the upper deck in NYS, is "80 feet plus" further away??
Talk about uttering "anecdotal evidence"!


PS: I just noticed your added Jason Giambi quote..
Giambi is right. NYS is bigger, and grander than RYS. But it still doesn't mean the seats are farther away. There's less foul ball territory, and the right/centerfield fence is slightly closer. So how could the the seats be farther away? It just doesn't compute!
The last time Giambi was in NYS, was in May of 2009. When the moat was basically empty. Maybe that's why he felt the fans were right on top of you in RYS, and not in NYS. Pedroia said the same thing last year about the empty seats behind the dugout. He said was so quiet because of the empty seats. Not because the fans seemed so far away.

I know it's not definite, but Andrew Clem's site works very well at illustrating my point. Just hover over the "Yankee Stadium II" link, and you will see that the front of the upper deck (I consider the terrace seats to be the upper deck, by the way) has moved back around the entire park: Andrew Clem - Yankee Stadium. 80 feet might be an overstatement, but it is certainly farther back.

There may be less foul territory behind homeplate, but not down the lines. In fact, there may be more foul territory in the NYS down the lines than in RYS. Also, Pedroia is right in saying that NYS is quieter than the RYS. One reason is a lot less people. NYS is never at full capactiy, I ALWAYS see empty seats in the Legends, Field, and Main Levels. There are probably a lot of empty seats in the Grandstand, but since it's so far away, it's hard to even notice it on TV. Another reason it is so much quieter is because there is no overhang of decks, and thus no echo. Pedroia is used to Fenway, which gets much, much louder than NYS ever will, even if it has about 6,000 less seats.

[DN4L]

In NYS, the Grandstand is CLOSER to the field between the bases than the Tier was in RYS. In RYS, the Tier was closer to the field past the infield dirt. In RYS, you could TOUCH the foul poles from Tier box seats. Not so in the new place from Terrace seating. Nor do I think you can touch the foul pole from Main Level Seating in NYS. Since we know that the field dimensions are the same, how can you say that the GS is not further away? Remember, Loge seating in RYS was all under the cover of the tier.

So, you are both correct, depending on what portion of the parks you compare.

In NYS, the seats behind the plate were brought in. The seats down the lines were pushed back a bit, giving more of a rounded bowl seating arrangement. RYS was straight down the line and in close.




I don't know about 80 feet, but since I cannot touch the foul poles, they Terrace must be further back.

Cheers!
-Doug

Your point on not being able to touch the foul pole, validates the point I was trying to make. In regards to the lower rows of the upper deck in NYS being eliminated and placed down below. Which gives the right field luxury boxes an open view, from where the lower rows were in RYS.

Imagine the upper deck as a slice of cake, and you cut off a section from the front of it. Now the front edge of the cake is no longer right up against a candle, that was originally up against the beginning of the slice. Because now that front section is gone, the candle is no longer right up against the slice of cake.. But you didn't push the cake further away from the candle. You just made that slice smaller..

[locke40]

Your point on not being able to touch the foul pole, validates the point I was trying to make. In regards to the lower rows of the upper deck in NYS being eliminated and placed down below. Which gives the right field luxury boxes an open view, from where the lower rows were in RYS.

Imagine the upper deck as a slice of cake, and you cut off a section from the front of it. Now the front edge of the cake is no longer right up against a candle, that was originally up against the beginning of the slice. Because now that front section is gone, the candle is no longer right up against the slice of cake.. But you didn't push the cake further away from the candle. You just made that slice smaller..

I understand what you are trying to illustrate. But, in your cake example, isn't the front of the old slice of cake closer to the candle than the front of the new slice of cake (the one that has been hacked off)? Doesn't that prove that it's now farther away from the candle?

[dstoffa]

Your point on not being able to touch the foul pole, validates the point I was trying to make. In regards to the lower rows of the upper deck in NYS being eliminated and placed down below. Which gives the right field luxury boxes an open view, from where the lower rows were in RYS.

Imagine the upper deck as a slice of cake, and you cut off a section from the front of it. Now the front edge of the cake is no longer right up against a candle, that was originally up against the beginning of the slice. Because now that front section is gone, the candle is no longer right up against the slice of cake.. But you didn't push the cake further away from the candle. You just made that slice smaller..

At RYS, Tier Level was up against the foul pole. No matter how you slice it, seating at the same elevation of the Tier box, front row is further back from the field at NYS, whether that elevation ends up being Terrace, Main, or some luxury suite. There is no denying this. The seating is pushed further back down the lines.

Friends of mine who has spent MUCH more time at RYS and NYS than I have stated again and again that, down the lines and in fair territory, GS and Terrace seating is further back from the field when compared to Tier seating in RYS.

Cheers!
-Doug

[DN4L]

I know it's not definite, but Andrew Clem's site works very well at illustrating my point. Just hover over the "Yankee Stadium II" link, and you will see that the front of the upper deck (I consider the terrace seats to be the upper deck, by the way) has moved back around the entire park: Andrew Clem - Yankee Stadium. 80 feet might be an overstatement, but it is certainly farther back.

There may be less foul territory behind homeplate, but not down the lines. In fact, there may be more foul territory in the NYS down the lines than in RYS. Also, Pedroia is right in saying that NYS is quieter than the RYS. One reason is a lot less people. NYS is never at full capactiy, I ALWAYS see empty seats in the Legends, Field, and Main Levels. There are probably a lot of empty seats in the Grandstand, but since it's so far away, it's hard to even notice it on TV. Another reason it is so much quieter is because there is no overhang of decks, and thus no echo. Pedroia is used to Fenway, which gets much, much louder than NYS ever will, even if it has about 6,000 less seats.

First, the reason why NYS is never at full capacity is because of the outrageous ticket prices. Not because NYS is an inferior stadium. If NYS had the same ticket prices as RYS, it would be sold out every game. And let's not forget that NYS sold well over 3,000,000 tickets last year, and will do so once again this year.

Trust me when I say that the entire Grandstand area is not empty by any stretch of the imagination.
It's the most affordable section in NYS, and therefore is always packed.

There is less foul territory down the lines in NYS than in RYS. They stated that while building NYS during the construction period on the YES channel. When discussing the new stadium.

I think you might need a hearing aid, Locke, because it is not "quiet" inside NYS. I've been to classic games in both RYS & NYS, and they both rocked!
In fact, I think the loudest I have ever heard it during a Yankee game, was on June 12, 2009, (in NYS).
When Castillo dropped the ball... It was total lunacy that night!!!

And sorry once again Locke, but your diatribe of Fenway Park being... "much much louder than NYS ever will, even with 6,000 less seats", is totally incorrect, and is just a figment of your distorted imagination...
I was there last year during Wang's debacle against the Red Sux, in June of 2009, so the Red Sux fans had plenty to "ROAR" about. And I was there again this year for Opening Day. A game the home team also won, and had plenty to cheer about..

Fenway Park in not any louder than NYS, Locke...
So sorry to inform you of that...

[DN4L]

At RYS, Tier Level was up against the foul pole. No matter how you slice it, seating at the same elevation of the Tier box, front row is further back from the field at NYS, whether that elevation ends up being Terrace, Main, or some luxury suite. There is no denying this. The seating is pushed further back down the lines.

Friends of mine who has spent MUCH more time at RYS and NYS than I have stated again and again that, down the lines and in fair territory, GS and Terrace seating is further back from the field when compared to Tier seating in RYS.

Cheers!
-Doug

I've never seen a game in the right field area in NYS, other than section 110, which doesn't really count because it's on the first level, and we were 13 rows from the field..
But I have walked around section 405, and all I can say is, that I didn't see any difference between the distances of the upper deck in right field, between RYS & NYS..
But I was never crazy about sitting in fair territory in "any" stadium to begin with. So I'll take you and your friends' word on it..

[dstoffa]

There is less foul territory down the lines in NYS than in RYS. They stated that while building NYS during the construction period on the YES channel. When discussing the new stadium.

Not down the lines, but between the bases and behind the plate.

If you were in Section 1 in RYS, you are much further back from the field than in 420? in NYS. The loss in foul territory is NOT down the lines, but outside the lines in the infield.

Cheers!
-Doug

[locke40]

I put together this gif image of NYS and RYS. Notice how the front of the Main Level in NYS is about even with the front of the Upper Deck in RYS; clearly they are on different planes, as the Main Level is lower vertically, but horizontally they are even. Also, notice how you were much closer to first and third base if you sat in the first row of the field level at RYS, where there is more foul territory there in NYS.

[LI METS FAN]

wikipedia says the new design places most fans back an average on 30 feet. But thats an overall average, not specific to the Terrace/Grandstand level.

[quagmire]

I really do not know why this has to be repeated so often. This discussion seems to come up every month. The upper deck is farther away from the field compared to OYS. That is an inherited design of the seating bowl setup over the stacked setup. But, in order to compensate for this fact, they moved the field back 20 ft. You are also lower to the field in NYS compared to OYS.

Also on a somewhat related note, I am in NYC for the weekend and watching YES pre game. I love how in the background they have OYS with NYS frieze and lights.

[locke40]

I really do not know why this has to be repeated so often. This discussion seems to come up every month. The upper deck is farther away from the field compared to OYS. That is an inherited design of the seating bowl setup over the stacked setup. But, in order to compensate for this fact, they moved the field back 20 ft. You are also lower to the field in NYS compared to OYS.

Also on a somewhat related note, I am in NYC for the weekend and watching YES pre game. I love how in the background they have OYS with NYS frieze and lights.

Wait, you like that?? I find it hard to look at; the frieze sections are so small. I wonder why they do that, and not have the NYS as a background.

[mets16]

Wait, you like that?? I find it hard to look at; the frieze sections are so small. I wonder why they do that, and not have the NYS as a background.

Yeah. It looks weird. It's not even RYS. Is it that hard to just put up a picture, rather than some hacked together monstrosity?