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  • Dave Bancroft, SS (1915-1930) - 10th Year

    6 22.22%
  • Ossie Bluege, 3B (1922-1939) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Jim Bottomley, 1B (1922-1937) - 3rd Year

    7 25.93%
  • Guy Bush, SP (1923-1939) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • George J. Burns, LF (1911-1925) - 15th Year

    6 22.22%
  • Earle Combs, CF (1924-1935) - 5th Year

    4 14.81%
  • Wilbur Cooper, SP (1912-1926) - 14th Year

    10 37.04%
  • Kiki Cuyler, RF (1918-1938) - 2nd Year

    14 51.85%
  • Jimmie Dykes, 3B/2B (1918-1939) - 1st Year

    2 7.41%
  • Fred Frankhouse, SP (1927-1939) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Lou Gehrig, 1B (1923-1939) - 1st Year

    27 100.00%
  • Burleigh Grimes, SP (1916-1934) - 6th Year

    15 55.56%
  • Chick Hafey, LF (1924-1937) - 3rd Year

    1 3.70%
  • Babe Herman, RF (1926-1937) - 3rd Year

    3 11.11%
  • Harry Hooper, RF (1909-1925) - 15th Year

    3 11.11%
  • Waite Hoyt, SP (1918-1938) - 2nd Year

    3 11.11%
  • Tony Lazzeri, 2B (1926-1939) - 1st Year

    8 29.63%
  • Heinie Manush, LF (1923-1939) - 1st Year

    9 33.33%
  • Rabbit Maranville, SS (1912-1933, 1935) - 7th Year

    17 62.96%
  • Firpo Marberry, SP/RP (1923-1936) - 4th Year

    1 3.70%
  • Carl Mays, SP (1915-1929) - 11th Year

    12 44.44%
  • Herb Pennock, SP (1912-1917, 1919-1934) - 6th Year

    1 3.70%
  • Carl Reynolds, RF (1927-1939) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Sam Rice, RF (1915-1935) - 6th Year

    17 62.96%
  • Eppa Rixey, SP (1912-1917, 1919-1933) - 7th Year

    11 40.74%
  • Ray Schalk, C (1912-1929) - 11th Year

    4 14.81%
  • Wally Schang, C (1913-1931) - 9th Year

    11 40.74%
  • Urban Shocker, SP (1916-1938) - 12th Year

    7 25.93%
  • Bobby Veach, LF (1912-1925) - 15th Year

    10 37.04%
  • Earl Whitehill, SP (1923-1939) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Pinky Whitney, 3B (1928-1939) - 1st Year

    1 3.70%
  • Hack Wilson, CF (1923-1934) - 6th Year

    11 40.74%
  • Ross Youngs, RF (1917-1926) - 14th Year

    7 25.93%
  • None of the Above (Blank Ballot)

    0 0%
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Thread: BBF Progressive Hall of Fame Election: 1944

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    BBF Progressive Hall of Fame Election: 1944

    PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING!

    Format and Rules
    Voting Rules:
    Voters may vote for between 0-15 candidates. Votes will be made public, and voters are encouraged to post their ballots in the thread and not view results before voting. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR BALLOT TO 15 VOTES AT MOST. EXCESS
    VOTES MAY RESULT IN YOUR BALLOT BEING DISQUALIFIED.

    -Blank Ballots: A "None of the Above" option is available if you believe no one is worthy and you wish to submit a blank ballot. This option is not to be taken lightly and it is strongly urged that it be used only after the utmost consideration, as non-votes carry great weight. Additionally, if using this option, please post your rationale.

    Voting Criteria: Players are to be evaluated within the context of the era in which they played and the history of the game to that point. Players are not to be held to standards that would materialize at a time beyond the year of the current election. Modern statistical analysis is permitted but must be applied strictly within historical context not to go beyond the year of the current election. Players are to be judged based solely on their playing careers. Other, non-playing contributions may be considered to the extent that they coincided with a player's playing career (such as a player/manager).

    Thoughtfulness and Editing Ballots: Please review and thoughtfully consider the candidates before voting, and make sure you have accurately filled out your ballot before submitting. Requests for editing ballots after the fact will generally not be honored. Exceptions might be made if a voter accidentally voted for the wrong player or accidentally went over the voting limit (but I strongly encourage you to do your best to prevent either from happening).

    Required Support: Players receiving at least 75% support in an election will be elected. Players need at least 5% support to appear on the next ballot (NOTE: Starting in 1940, this rule also applies to first year eligible players).

    Player Eligibility: Players eligible for an election will have last played at least 5 years prior to the election year and have appeared in at least 10 Major League seasons . If a player appeared in less than 10 seasons, he may still be eligible if he had a minimum of 3000 ABs or 1500 IP, though extra scrutiny will be applied. Players will remain on the ballot for 15 years, provided they continue to receive at least 5% of the vote, at which point they will become indefinitely eligible for periodic elections conducted by the Veterans Committee.
    - Age Exception: For players 40 or older, they will become eligible the later of either 5 years after their last year of continuous play, or their first inactive year at age 45 or older.

    Election Period: Elections will close exactly one week after starting. The next election might not commence for another day or two.

    1944 Guide
    There are 33 candidates on the 1944 ballot - 23 holdovers and 10 first timers. First time eligible players last played in 1939 (unless qualifying under the age rule). The sole exception is Guy Bush, left off the ballot by mistake since he first would have been eligible since 1943. Rather than retroactively place him in his 2nd year of eligibility, he will be granted 1st year status in order to ensure his maximum 15 year eligibility.

    Newly Eligible (10)
    Ossie Bluege
    Guy Bush
    Jimmie Dykes
    Fred Frankhouse
    Lou Gehrig
    Tony Lazzeri
    Heinie Manush
    Carl Reynolds
    Earl Whitehill
    Pinky Whitney

    Holdovers (21)
    Code:
    Player			Year of Eligibility	Previous Support	High Support		Low Support
    Dave Bancroft		10th			13.33%			28.13% (1936)		8.82% (1940)
    Jim Bottomley		3rd			23.33%			27.03% (1942)		23.33% (1943)
    George J. Burns		15th			13.33%			24.00% (1930)		9.09% (1935)
    Earle Combs		5th			13.33%			17.14% (1941)		11.76% (1940)
    Wilbur Cooper		14th			36.67%			58.33% (1932)		29.73% (1942)
    Kiki Cuyler            2nd                     53.33%                  53.33% (1943)           53.33% (1943)
    Burleigh Grimes		6th			56.67%			56.67% (1943)		48.65% (1942)
    Chick Hafey		2nd			6.67%			6.67% (1943)		5.41% (1942)
    Babe Herman		3rd			20.00%			20.00% (1943)		18.92% (1942)
    Harry Hooper		15th			13.33%			34.38% (1931)		8.82% (1940)
    Waite Hoyt             2nd                     13.33%                  13.33% (1943)           13.33% (1943)
    Rabbit Maranville	7th			66.67%			66.67% (1943)		56.76% (1942)
    Firpo Marberry		4th			6.67%			17.14% (1941)		6.67% (1943)
    Carl Mays		11th			46.67%			56.25% (1937)		37.84% (1942)
    Herb Pennock		6th			6.67%			25.00% (1939)		6.67% (1943)
    Sam Rice		6th			66.67%			71.43% (1941)		52.46% (1942)
    Eppa Rixey		7th			46.67%			60.00% (1938)		46.67% (1943)
    Ray Schalk		10th			6.67%			25.00% (1934)		6.67% (1943)
    Wally Schang		9th			40.00%			42.86% (1941)		32.35% (1937)
    Urban Schocker		12th			33.33%			35.71% (1933)		15.63% (1939)
    Bobby Veach		15th			30.00%			39.29% (1934)		14.71% (1939)
    Hack Wilson		6th			50.00%			57.14% (1941)		41.18% (1939)
    Ross Youngs		14th			30.00%			30.00% (1943)		6.25% (1936)
    Holdovers Dropped From Last Election (3)
    Code:
    Player			Reason			Years on Ballot		High Support		Low Support
    Larry Gardner		End of Eligibility	15			23.33% (1943)		5.88% (1940)
    Lefty O'Doul		Lack of Support		5			17.14% (1941)		0.00% (1943)
    Del Pratt              End of Eligibility      15                      20.83% (1932)               5.88% (1940)
    Last Year of Eligibility (3)
    Code:
    Player			High Support
    George J. Burns		24.00% (1930)
    Harry Hooper		34.38% (1931)
    Bobby Veach            39.29% (1934)
    Penultimate Year of Eligibility (2)
    Code:
    Player			High Support
    Wilbur Cooper		58.33% (1932)
    Ross Youngs		30.00% (1943)
    Holdovers Receiving At Least 50% in Previous Election (4)
    Code:
    Player			Previous Support	Years with At Least 50% Support
    Kiki Cuyler            53.33%                  1
    Burleigh Grimes        56.67%                  4
    Rabbit Maranville	66.67%			6
    Sam Rice		66.67%			5
    Hall of Famers
    Players Elected - 93
    Code:
    Player			Year Elected	Election Percentage	Years on Ballot		Position	        Primary Team			        Active Years			  Total Seasons		Living/Deceased		Age at Election
    Pete Alexander		1935		93.94%			1			Pitcher		        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1911-1930			  20			Living - Age 57		48
    Cap Anson		1902		100%			1			First Base	        Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1871-1897			  27			Deceased (1852-1922)	50
    Frank Baker		1927		96.43%			1			Third Base	        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1908-1914, 1916-1919, 1921-1922	  13			Living - Age 57		41
    Ross Barnes^		1911		76.00%			11			Second Base	        Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1879, 1881			  9			Deceased (1850-1915)	61
    Jake Beckley		1917		76.00%			6			First Base	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1887-1907			  20			Deceased (1867-1918)	50
    Charlie Bennett		1907		75.00%			7			Catcher		        Detroit Wolverines (NL)			1878, 1880-1893			  15			Deceased (1854-1927)	53
    Roger Bresnahan		1925		79.17%			6			Catcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1897, 1900-1915			  17			Living - Age 64		46
    Dan Brouthers		1901		90.00%			1			First Base	        Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1879-1896, 1904			  18			Deceased (1858-1932)	50
    Mordecai Brown		1921		96.77%			1			Pitcher		        Chicago Cubs (NL)			1903-1916			  14			Living - Age 68		45
    Pete Browning		1909		77.27%			9			Left Field/Center Field	Louisville Colonels (NL/AA)	        1882-1894			  13			Deceased (1861-1905)	Deceased
    Jesse Burkett		1910		92.00%			1			Left Field 	        Cleveland Spiders (NL)			1890-1895			  16			Living - Age 76		42
    Max Carey		1934		82.14%			1			Center Field	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1910-1929			  20			Living - Age 54		44
    Bob Caruthers		1909		77.27%			9			Pitcher/Right Field	St. Louis Browns (Cardinals) (NL/AA)	1884-1893		          10			Deceased (1864-1911)	45
    Frank Chance		1932		83.33%			14			First Base	        Chicago Cubs (NL)			1898-1914			  17			Deceased (1876-1924)	Deceased
    Cupid Childs		1920		76.92%			15			Second Base	        Cleveland Spiders (NL)			1888, 1890-1901			  13			Deceased (1867-1912)	Deceased
    Fred Clarke		1917		88.00%			1			Left Field	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1894-1915			  21			Living - Age 76		45
    John Clarkson		1901		90.00%			1			Pitcher		        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)	        1882, 1884-1894			  12			Deceased (1861-1909)	40
    Ty Cobb			1933		96.55%			1			Center Field	        Detroit Tigers (AL)			1905-1928			  24			Living - Age 58		47
    Mickey Cochrane		1942		89.19%			1			Catcher		        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1925-1937			  13			Living - Age 40		38
    Eddie Collins		1935		96.67%			1			Second Base	        Chicago White Sox (AL)			1906-1930			  25			Living - Age 56		48
    Jimmy Collins		1913		82.61%			1			Third Base	        Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL)		1895-1908			  14			Deceased (1870-1943)	43
    Roger Connor		1902		79.17%			1			First Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1880-1897			  18			Deceased (1857-1931)	45
    Stan Coveleski		1934		89.29%			2			Pitcher		        Cleveland Indians  (AL)			1912, 1916-1928			  14 			Living - Age 55		45
    Sam Crawford		1922		92.86%			1			Right Field	        Detroit Tigers (AL)	                1899-1917			  19			Living - Age 64		41
    Bill Dahlen		1916		88.00%			1			Shortstop	        Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1891-1911			  21			Living - Age 74		46
    George Davis		1914		84.62%			1			Shortstop	        New York Giants (NL)			1890-1909			  20			Deceased (1870-1940)	44
    Ed Delahanty		1908		96.00%			1			Left Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1888-1903			  16			Deceased (1867-1903)	Deceased
    Larry Doyle		1926		76.00%			2			Second Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1907-1920			  14			Living - Age 58		40
    Hugh Duffy		1918		75.00%			8			Center Field/Outfield	Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)	        1888-1891, 1904-1906	          17			Living - Age 78		52
    Buck Ewing		1902		83.33%			1			Catcher		        New York Giants  (NL)			1880-1897			  18			Deceased (1859-1906)	43
    Red Faber		1940		76.46%			3			Pitcher		        Chicago White Sox  (AL)			1914-1933			  20			Living - Age 56		52
    Elmer Flick		1916		80.00%			1			Right Field	        Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1898-1910			  13			Living - Age 68		40
    Frankie Frisch		1942		91.89%			1			Second Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1919-1937			  19			Living - Age 45		43
    Pud Galvin		1903		80.77%			3			Pitcher		        Buffalo Bisons (NL)	                1875, 1879-1892			  15			Deceased (1856-1902)	Deceased
    Jack Glasscock		1911		84.00%			11			Shortstop	        Cleveland Blues (NL)			1879-1895			  17			Living - Age 87		54
    George Gore		1909		77.27%			9			Center Field	        Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1879-1892			  14			Deceased (1867-1933)	52
    Goose Goslin           1943            93.33%                  1                       Left Field              Washington Senators (NL)                1921-1938                         18                    Living - Age 43         42
    Clark Griffith*		1940 (VC)	78.57%			VC			Pitcher		        Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1891, 1893-1909, 1912-1914	  20			Living - Age 74		70
    Heinie Groh		1936		81.25%			5			Third Base	        Cincinnati Reds (NL)			1912-1927			  16			Living - Age 55		47
    Billy Hamilton		1906		82.61%			1			Center Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1888-1901			  14			Deceased (1866-1940)	40
    Harry Heilmann		1937		96.18%			1			Right Field	        Detroit Tigers (AL)	                1914, 1916-1930, 1932		  17			Living - Age 49		43
    Paul Hines		1904		76.00%			4			Center Field	        Providence Grays (NL)			1872-1891			  20			Deceased (1855-1935)	49
    Rogers Hornsby		1942		97.30%			1			Second Base	        St. Louis Cardinals (NL)		1915-1937			  23			Living - Age 47		45
    Hughie Jennings		1927		75.00%			14			Shortstop	        Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1891-1903, 1907, 1909, 1912, 1918 17			Deceased (1869-1928)	58
    Walter Johnson		1932		100%			1			Pitcher		        Washington Senators (AL)                1907-1927			  21			Living - Age 57		45
    Addie Joss		1926		76.00%			15			Pitcher		        Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1902-1910			  9			Deceased (1880-1911)	Deceased
    Tim Keefe		1901		75.00%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1880-1893			  14			Deceased (1857-1933)	44
    Willie Keeler		1916		92.00%			2			Right Field	        Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1892-1910			  19			Deceased (1872-1923)	44
    Joe Kelley		1920		84.62%			8			Left Field	        Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1891-1906, 1908			  17			Deceased (1871-1943)		49
    King Kelly		1902		75.00%			2			Right Field/Catcher	Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1878-1893		          16			Deceased (1857-1894)	Deceased
    Napoleon Lajoie		1921		96.77%			1			Second Base	        Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1896-1916			  21			Living - Age 70		47
    Tommy Leach*		1940 (VC)	85.71%			VC			Third Base/Center Field	Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)		        1898-1915, 1918			  19			Living - Age 67		63
    Herman Long*		1925 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Shortstop	        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1889-1904			  16			Deceased (1866-1909)	Deceased
    Sherry Magee		1924		86.21%			1			Left Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1904-1919			  16			Deceased (1884-1929)	40
    Christy Mathewson	1922		93.55%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1900-1916			  17			Deceased (1880-1925)	41
    Joe McGinnity		1913		91.30%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1899-1908			  10			Deceased (1871-1929)	42
    Bid McPhee		1905		75.00%			2			Second Base	        Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA)			1882-1899			  18			Deceased (1859-1943)	42
    Cal McVey*^		1920 (VC)	83.33%			VC			Catcher/First Base	Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1879			  9			Deceased (1849-1926)	71
    Tony Mullane		1908		80.00%			8			Pitcher		        Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA)			1881-1894			  14			Living - Age 85		49
    Kid Nichols		1911		100%			1			Pitcher		        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1890-1901, 1904-1906		  15			Living - Age 75		42
    Jim O'Rourke		1901		90.00%			1			Left Field/Utility	New York Giants (NL)		        1872-1893, 1904			  23			Deceased (1850-1919)	51
    Dickey Pearce*^		1920 (VC)	100%			VC			Shortstop	        Brooklyn Atlantics (NA)			1871-1877			  6			Deceased (1836-1908)	Deceased
    Lip Pike*^		1920 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Center Field	        Baltimore Canaries (NA)			1871-1878, 1881, 1887		  10			Deceased (1845-1926)	Deceased
    Eddie Plank		1922		92.86%			1			Pitcher		        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1901-1917			  17			Deceased (1875-1926)	47
    Charley Radbourn	1901		95.00%			1			Pitcher		        Providence Grays (NL)			1881-1891			  11			Deceased (1854-1897)	Deceased
    Hardy Richardson*	1920 (VC)	91.67%			VC			Second Base/Left Field	Buffalo Bisons (NL)		        1879-1892			  14			Deceased (1855-1931)	65
    Edd Roush              1943            76.67%                  1                       Center Field            Cincinnati Reds (NL)                    1913-1929, 1931                   18                    Living - Age 50         49
    Amos Rusie		1906		78.26%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1889-1895, 1897-1898, 1901	  10			Deceased (1871-1942)	35
    Babe Ruth		1940		97.06%			1			Right Field/Left Field	New York Yankees (AL)		        1914-1935			  22			Living - Age 48		45
    Jimmy Ryan*		1930 (VC)	86.67%			VC			Center Field	        Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1885-1900, 1902, 1903		  18			Deceased (1863-1923)	Deceased
    Joe Sewell		1942		75.68%			5			Shortstop/Third Base	Cleveland Indians (AL)		        1920-1933			  14			Living - Age 45		43
    George Sisler		1935		90.91%			1			First Base	        St. Louis Browns (AL)			1915-1922, 1924-1930		  15			Living - Age 51		42
    Al Spalding^		1915		80.00%			15			Pitcher		        Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1878			  8			Deceased (1850-1915)	Deceased
    Tris Speaker		1933		100%			1			Center Field	        Cleveland Indians (AL)			1907-1928			  22			Living - Age 56		45
    Joe Start*^		1920 (VC)	91.67%			VC			First Base	        Providence Grays (NL)			1871-1886			  16			Deceased (1842-1927)	78
    Harry Stovey		1907		75.00%			7			Left Field/First Base	Philadelphia Athletics (AA)	        1880-1893		          14			Deceased (1856-1931)	51
    Ezra Sutton*		1920 (VC)	83.33%			VC			Third Base	        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1871-1888			  18			Deceased (1850-1907)	Deceased
    Bill Terry		1941		80.00%			1			First Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1923-1936			  14			Living - Age 46		43
    Sam Thompson		1907		79.17%			5			Right Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1885-1898, 1906			  14			Deceased (1860-1922)	47
    Pie Traynor		1942		83.78%			1			Third Base	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1920-1937			  18			Living - Age 44		42
    Dazzy Vance		1940		76.47%			1			Pitcher		        Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL)		1915, 1918, 1922-1935		  16			Living - Age 52		48
    George Van Haltren	1918		75.00%			11			Center Field	        New York Giants (NL)			1887-1903			  17			Living - Age 77		52
    Rube Waddell		1915		84.00%			1			Pitcher		        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1897, 1899-1910			  13			Deceased (1876-1914)	Deceased
    Honus Wagner		1922		92.86%			1			Shortstop	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1897-1917			  21			Living - Age 68		48
    Bobby Wallace		1925		75.00%			3			Shortstop	        St. Louis Browns (AL)			1894-1918			  25			Living - Age 69		52
    Ed Walsh		1922		89.29%			1			Pitcher		        Chicago White Sox (AL)			1904-1917			  14			Living - Age 63		41
    John Ward		1907		75.00%			7			Shortstop/Pitcher	New York Giants (NL)		        1878-1894			  17			Deceased (1860-1925)	47
    Mickey Welch*		1920 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1880-1892			  13			Deceased (1859-1941)	61
    Zack Wheat		1932		87.50%			1			Left Field	        Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL)		1909-1927			  10			Living - Age 56		44
    Deacon White		1904		76.00%			4			Catcher/Third Base	Buffalo Bisons (NL)		        1871-1890			  20			Deceased (1847-1939)	57
    Vic Willis		1919		77.78%			5			Pitcher		        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1898-1910			  13			Living - Age 68		43
    George Wright^		1907		75.00%			7			Shortstop	        Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1882			  12			Deceased (1847-1937)	60
    Cy Young		1916		100%			1			Pitcher		        Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL)		1890-1911			  22			Living - Age 77		49
    
    * = Elected by Veterans Committee
    ^ = Played Significantly Prior to 1871
    Players Elected by Primary Position
    Catcher (6): Charlie Bennett, Roger Bresnahan, Mickey Cochrane, Buck Ewing, Cal McVey, Deacon White
    First Base (8): Cap Anson, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers, Frank Chance, Roger Connor, George Sisler, Joe Start, Bill Terry
    Second Base (9): Ross Barnes, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Frankie Frisch, Rogers Hornsby, Napoleon Lajoie, Bid McPhee, Hardy Richardson
    Third Base (6): Frank Baker, Jimmy Collins, Heinie Groh, Tommy Leach, Ezra Sutton, Pie Traynor
    Shortstop (11): Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Herman Long, Dickey Pearce, Joe Sewell, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, John Ward, George Wright
    Left Field (9): Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Goose Goslin, Joe Kelley, Sherry Magee, Jim O'Rourke, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat
    Center Field (12): Pete Browning, Max Carey, Ty Cobb, Hugh Duffy, George Gore, Billy Hamilton, Paul Hines, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Jimmy Ryan, Tris Speaker, George Van Haltren
    Right Field (7): Sam Crawford, King Kelly, Elmer Flick, Harry Heilmann, Willie Keeler, Babe Ruth, Sam Thompson
    Pitcher (25): Pete Alexander, Mordecai Brown, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Stan Coveleski, Red Faber, Pud Galvin, Clark Griffith, Walter Johnson, Addie Joss, Tim Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Tony Mullane, Kid Nichols, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Amos Rusie, Al Spalding, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Mickey Welch, Vic Willis, Cy Young

    Players Elected by Year
    1901 (5): Dan Brouthers, John Clarkson, Tim Keefe, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn
    1902 (4): Cap Anson, Roger Connor, Buck Ewing, King Kelly
    1903 (1): Pud Galvin
    1904 (2): Paul Hines, Deacon White
    1905 (1): Bid McPhee
    1906 (2): Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie
    1907 (5): Charlie Bennett, Harry Stovey, Sam Thompson, John Ward, George Wright
    1908 (2): Ed Delahanty, Tony Mullane
    1909 (3): Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, George Gore
    1910 (1): Jesse Burkett
    1911 (3): Ross Barnes, Jack Glasscock, Kid Nichols
    1912 (0):
    1913 (2): Jimmy Collins, Joe McGinnity
    1914 (1): George Davis
    1915 (2): Al Spalding, Rube Waddell
    1916 (4): Bill Dahlen, Elmer Flick, Willie Keeler, Cy Young
    1917 (2): Jake Beckley, Fred Clarke
    1918 (2): Hugh Duffy, George Van Haltren
    1919 (1): Vic Willis
    1920 (2): Cupid Childs, Joe Kelley
    - 1920 VC (7): Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Mickey Welch
    1921 (3): Mordecai Brown, Napoleon Lajoie, Christy Mathewson
    1922 (4): Sam Crawford, Eddie Plank, Honus Wagner, Ed Walsh
    1923 (0):
    1924 (1): Sherry Magee
    1925 (2): Roger Bresnahan, Bobby Wallace
    - 1925 VC (1): Herman Long
    1926 (1): Larry Doyle
    1927 (2): Frank Baker, Hughie Jennings
    1928 (0):
    1929 (1): Addie Joss
    1930 (0):
    - 1930 VC (1): Jimmy Ryan
    1931 (0):
    1932 (3): Frank Chance, Walter Johnson, Zack Wheat
    1933 (2): Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker
    1934 (2): Max Carey, Stan Coveleski
    1935 (3): Pete Alexander, Eddie Collins, George Sisler
    - 1935 VC (0):
    1936 (1): Heinie Groh
    1937 (1): Harry Heilmann
    1938 (0):
    1939 (0):
    1940 (3): Red Faber, Babe Ruth, Dazzy Vance
    - 1940 VC (2): Clark Griffith, Tommy Leach
    1941 (1): Bill Terry
    1942 (5): Mickey Cochrane, Frankie Frisch, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Sewell, Pie Traynor
    1943 (2): Goose Goslin, Edd Roush

    Players Elected by Primary Decade
    1870s (9): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Al Spalding, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Deacon White, George Wright
    1880s (21): Cap Anson, Charlie Bennett, Dan Brouthers, Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Conner, Buck Ewing, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, George Gore, Paul Hines, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Tony Mullane, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn, Hardy Richardson, Harry Stovey, John Ward, Mickey Welch
    1890s (18): Jake Beckley, Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Ed Delahanty, Hugh Duffy, Clark Griffith, Billy Hamilton, Hughie Jennings, Joe Kelley, Herman Long, Bid McPhee, Kid Nichols, Jimmy Ryan, Amos Rusie, Sam Thompson, George Van Haltren
    1900s (20): Roger Bresnahan, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Fred Clarke, Jimmy Collins, Sam Crawford, Elmer Flick,
    Addie Joss, Willie Keeler, Napoleon Lajoie, Tommy Leach, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Eddie Plank, Rube Waddell, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Ed Walsh, Vic Willis, Cy Young
    1910s (11): Pete Alexander, Frank Baker, Max Carey, Ty Cobb, EddieCollins, Larry Doyle, Heinie Groh, Walter Johnson, Sherry Magee, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat
    1920s (12): Stan Coveleski, Red Faber, Frankie Frisch, Goose Goslin, Harry Heilmann, Rogers Hornsby, Edd Roush, Babe Ruth, George Sisler, Joe Sewell, Pie Traynor, Dazzy Vance
    1930s (2): Mickey Cochrane, Bill Terry

    Players Elected by Primary Organization
    Baltimore Canaries (NA) (1): Lip Pike
    Baltimore Orioles (NL) (3): Hughie Jennings, Willie Keeler, Joe Kelley
    Boston Braves (fka Beaneaters) (NL) (6): John Clarkson, Hugh Duffy, Herman Long, Kid Nichols, Ezra Sutton, Vic
    Willis
    Boston Red Sox (fka Americans) (AL) (2): Jimmy Collins, Cy Young
    Boston Red Stockings (NA) (4): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Al Spalding, George Wright
    Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) (1): Dickey Pearce
    Brooklyn Dodgers (fka Robins) (2): Dazzy Vance, Zack Wheat
    Buffalo Bisons (NL) (4): Dan Brouthers, Pud Galvin, Hardy Richardson, Deacon White
    Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NL) (8): Cap Anson, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Bill Dahlen, Clark
    Griffith, George Gore, King Kelly, Jimmy Ryan
    Chicago White Sox (AL) (3): Eddie Collins, Red Faber, Ed Walsh
    Cincinnati Reds (NL, AA) (4): Heinie Groh, Bid McPhee, Tony Mullane, Edd Roush
    Cleveland Blues (NL) (1): Jack Glasscock
    Cleveland Indians (fka Naps) (AL) (6): Stan Coveleski, Elmer Flick, Addie Joss, Napoleon Lajoie, Joe Sewell, Tris
    Speaker
    Cleveland Spiders (NL) (2): Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs
    Detroit Tigers (AL) (3): Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford, Harry Heilmann
    Detroit Wolverines (NL) (1): Charlie Bennett
    Louisville Colonels (NL, AA) (1): Pete Browning
    New York Giants (NL) (14): Roger Bresnahan, Roger Connor, George Davis, Larry Doyle, Buck Ewing, Frankie Frisch, Tim
    Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jim O’Rourke, Amos Rusie, George Van Haltren, John Ward, Mickey Welch
    New York Yankees (AL) (1): Babe Ruth
    Philadelphia Athletics (AL) (4): Frank Baker, Mickey Cochrane, Eddie Plank, Rube Waddell
    Philadelphia Athletics (AA) (1): Harry Stovey
    Philadelphia Phillies (NL) (5): Pete Alexander, Ed Delahanty, Billy Hamilton, Sherry Magee, Sam Thompson
    Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) (6): Jake Beckley, Max Carey, Fred Clarke, Tommy Leach, Pie Traynor, Honus Wagner
    Providence Grays (NL) (3): Paul Hines, Charley Radbourn, Joe Start
    St. Louis Browns (AL) (2): George Sisler, Bobby Wallace
    St. Louis Cardinals (fka Browns) (NL, AA) (2): Bob Caruthers, Rogers Hornsby
    Washington Senators (AL) (2): Goose Goslin, Walter Johnson

    Miscellaneous Information
    - Highest Regular Election Percentage: Cap Anson, Walter Johnson, Kid Nichols, Tris Speaker, Cy Young – 100%
    - Number of 1st Ballot Electees: 47
    - Most Years on Ballot Before Election: Cupid Childs, Addie Joss, Al Spalding – 15
    - Number of Players Elected After 10 Years on Ballot: 8
    - Number of Players Lasting 15 Years on Ballot without Election: 28
    - Number of Players Elected by Veterans Committee: 11
    - Highest Percentage Among Players Not Elected: 71.43% - Sam Rice (1941)
    - Most Regular Election Electees in One Year: 5 (1901, 1907, 1942)
    - Fewest Regular Election Electees in One Year: 0 (1912, 1923, 1928, 1930, 1931, 1938, 1939)
    - Largest Ballot: 78 Players (1901)
    - Largest Post-1915 Ballot: 47 Players (1932)
    - Smallest Ballot: 23 Players (1918)
    - Most Votes Cast: 37 (1942)
    - Fewest Votes Cast: 20 (1901)
    - Team With Most Players Elected: New York Giants - 14
    - Team With Second Most Players Elected: Chicago Cubs - 8
    - Electee with Longest Post-1871 Career: Cap Anson – 27 Seasons
    - Electee with Shortest Post-1871 Career: Dickey Pearce – 8 Seasons
    - Youngest Elected Player: Amos Rusie – Age 35
    - Oldest Elected Player: Joe Start – 78
    - Number of Posthumously Elected Players: 15
    - Number of Living Hall of Famers: 44
    - Oldest Living Hall of Famer: Jack Glasscock - 86
    - Deceased in Past Year: Jimmy Collins, Joe Kelly, Bid McPhee

    Number of Ballots Submitted in Past Elections
    1901: 20
    1902: 24
    1903: 26
    1904: 25
    1905: 24
    1906: 23
    1907: 24
    1908: 25
    1909: 22
    1910: 25
    1911: 25
    1912: 23
    1913: 23
    1914: 26
    1915: 25
    1916: 25
    1917: 25
    1918: 24
    1919: 27
    1920: 26
    1921: 31
    1922: 28
    1923: 25
    1924: 29
    1925: 24
    1926: 25
    1927: 28
    1928: 27
    1929: 25
    1930: 25
    1931: 32
    1932: 24
    1933: 29
    1934: 28
    1935: 33
    1936: 32
    1937: 34
    1938: 30
    1939: 32
    1940: 34
    1941: 35
    1942: 37
    1943: 30

    Links to Past Elections
    1901
    1902
    1903
    1904
    1905
    1906
    1907
    1908
    1909
    1910
    1911
    1912
    1913
    1914
    1915
    1916
    1917
    1918
    1919
    1920, 1920 Players VC
    1921
    1922
    1923
    1924
    1925, 1925 Players VC
    1926
    1927
    1928
    1929
    1930, 1930 Players VC
    1931
    1932
    1933
    1934
    1935, 1935 Players VC
    1936
    1937
    1938
    1939
    1940, 1940 Players VC
    1941
    1942
    1943
    Last edited by Ace Venom; 04-24-2009 at 02:19 PM.
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    Kiki Cuyler
    Tony Lazzeri
    Lou Gehrig
    Rabbit Maranville
    Sam Rice

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    Jim Bottomley
    George J. Burns
    Kiki Cuyler
    Lou Gehrig
    Burleigh Grimes
    Babe Herman
    Heinie Manush
    Sam Rice
    Bobby Veach
    Hack Wilson
    Quote
    "A ballplayer has to just go out and be mean. You can't play half-heartedly. If you do, there's someone right over your shoulder that'll take your job away. If you don't do your job, what they're paying you for, why should they pay you? You just can't put in eight hours, that's what a lot of people don't realize about athletes. Very few people realize the pressure." Dave Kingman

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    My original ballot had 13 names, so I just decided to go full ballot.

    Jim Bottomley
    Wilbur Cooper
    Kiki Cuyler
    Lou Gehrig
    Burleigh Grimes
    Waite Hoyt
    Heinie Manush
    Rabbit Maranville
    Carl Mays
    Herb Pennock
    Sam Rice
    Wally Schang
    Bobby Veach
    Hack Wilson
    Ross Youngs

    Hoyt beat Shocker and Manush beat Lazzeri for my final two ballot spots. This is my first time voting for Cooper, Schang, Pennock and Youngs. Gehrig, who should go in 100%, replaced Gardner's name from my previous ballot since Gardner is no longer eligible.
    RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

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    Rice and Maranville have consistently done well, earning over 50% most of the time they've been on the ballot. Rice was nearly elected back in 1941, so a bit of discussion might help their causes.
    RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

  6. #6
    Did a full 15 again:

    Bottomley
    Burns
    Combs
    Cooper
    Cuyler
    Gehrig
    Grimes
    Manush
    Maranville
    Mays
    Rice
    Rixey
    Shocker
    Veach
    Youngs

    If any of those guys get elected, I'm going to replace them with Tony Lazzeri probably.
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    Cooper
    Cuyler
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    Grimes
    Maranvile
    Mays
    Rice
    Schalk
    Schang
    Shocker
    Youngs

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    14 votes in, and the pattern seems to be NBG--Nobody but Gehrig.

    My ballot:
    Cooper
    Gehrig
    Grimes
    Maranville
    Mays
    Rice, S.
    Rixey
    Wilson, H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalbright View Post
    14 votes in, and the pattern seems to be NBG--Nobody but Gehrig.
    I'd actually be scratching my head if Gehrig didn't get 100%. Somehow Ruth managed to fall short of that, so anything is possible.
    RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

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    Maranville
    Mays
    Gehrig

    A lot of other very good players, but no hall of famers IMO.

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    My Ballot

    Hack Wilson
    Bobby Veach
    Lou Gehrig
    Rabbit Maranville
    Sam Rice
    Ray Schalk
    Wally Schang
    Tony Lazzerri
    Dave Bancroft
    Jim Bottomley
    Kiki Cuyler
    George Burns
    Earle Combs
    Carl Mays

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    1944 Ballot

    Goslin and Roush were elected. They were replaced by newbies Gehrig and Lazzeri.

    Bancroft
    GJ Burns
    W. Cooper
    Gehrig
    Grimes
    Hooper
    Lazzeri
    Maranville
    Mays
    Rice
    Rixey
    Schang
    Shocker
    Veach
    Youngs
    Eradicate, wipe out and abolish redundancy.

    Free El Duque!(and Mark Mulder) -- discover how the HOF rules are cheating this renowned member of Torre's Yankees dynasty and ask the HOF to include him on the ballot for the next BBWAA election.

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    A couple things I noticed in the lead post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Venom View Post
    1944 Guide
    There are 33 candidates on the 1944 ballot - 23 holdovers and 10 first timers. First time eligible players last played in 1938 (unless qualifying under the age rule). The sole exception is Guy Bush, left off the ballot by mistake since he first would have been eligible since 1943. Rather than retroactively place him in his 2nd year of eligibility, he will be granted 1st year status in order to ensure his maximum 15 year eligibility.
    This should say 1939.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Venom View Post
    Players Elected by Primary Organization
    ...
    Washington Senators (AL) (2): Walter Johnson, Edd Roush
    This should say Goose Goslin.
    Eradicate, wipe out and abolish redundancy.

    Free El Duque!(and Mark Mulder) -- discover how the HOF rules are cheating this renowned member of Torre's Yankees dynasty and ask the HOF to include him on the ballot for the next BBWAA election.

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    dupli-post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakshow View Post
    A couple things I noticed in the lead post.
    >>
    1944 Guide
    There are 33 candidates on the 1944 ballot - 23 holdovers and 10 first timers. First time eligible players last played in 1938

    <<

    This should say 1939.
    It may be useful to think of the modern BBWAA elections in December, not January.
    It's only 1944 but Landis is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakshow View Post
    A couple things I noticed in the lead post.This should say 1939.
    The mistakes have been corrected.
    RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

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    Jim Bottomley
    George J Burns
    Earle Combs
    Kiki Cuyler
    Lou Gehrig
    Burleigh Grimes
    Babe Herman
    Harry Hooper
    Tony Lazzeri
    Heinie Manush
    Firpo Marberry
    Carl Mays
    Sam Rice
    Bobby Veach
    Hack Wilson


    1. Lou Gehrig
    2. Hack Wilson
    3. Heinie Manush
    4. Kiki Cuyler
    5. Bobby Veach
    6. Sam Rice
    7. Jim Bottomley
    8. Firpo Marberry
    9. Burleigh Grimes
    10. Tony Lazzeri
    11. Carl Mays
    12. Babe Herman
    13. George J Burns
    14. Earle Combs
    15. Harry Hooper

  20. #20
    1 Gehrig
    2 Bottomley
    3 Cuyler
    4 Manush
    5 Lazzeri
    6 Wilson
    7 Herman
    8 Combs

  21. #21
    Ballot:

    Wilbur Cooper
    Lou Gehrig
    Burleigh Grimes
    Rabbit Maranville
    Sam Rice
    Urban Shocker

  22. #22
    Here's what I have for next year's pool:

    Wally Berger
    Zeke Bonura
    (Lloyd Brown)
    Tex Carleton
    Charlie Gelbert
    Jackie Hays
    Orel Hildebrand
    Syl Johnson
    Lyn Larry
    Ted Lyons--Age Rule
    Billy Rogell
    Jack Russell
    Gus Suhr
    Rabbit Warstler
    Bob Weiland
    Jimmie Wilson

    Most of these players barely deserve to be on the ballot. Wally Berger is one that I plan on voting for. Ted Lyons--I assume will get in within a few elections. He had the stamina and ability and is probably the strongest candidate on next year's ballot. Otherwise, it's unlikely any of this class will see our HOF and this may serve as a good year to get Rabbit Maranville elected as he's pretty much the only guy on the ballot who will probably not get elected this election who had enough conversation about his defensive ability and offensive contributions to push him over the top. Sam Rice, Hack Wilson, and Kiki Cuyler also deserve a closer look. Of the pitchers, Wilbur Cooper, Burleigh Grimes, Carl Mays, Urban Shocker all have their share of supporters.

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    The first timers for the 1945 ballot represent a pretty weak class. It will likely be the year that a candidate like Maranville or Rice gets elected.
    Last edited by Ace Venom; 04-18-2009 at 09:15 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Here's what I have for next year's pool:

    Wally Berger
    Zeke Bonura
    (Lloyd Brown)
    Tex Carleton
    Charlie Gelbert
    Jackie Hays
    Orel Hildebrand
    Syl Johnson
    Lyn Larry
    Ted Lyons--Age Rule
    Billy Rogell
    Jack Russell
    Gus Suhr
    Rabbit Warstler
    Bob Weiland
    Jimmie Wilson
    Bonura, Carleton and Gelbert don't meet the eligibility requirements because he only played seven seasons. Since these elections can be considered "early-January" elections, Lyons would not be turning 45 until December. The age rule won't apply to him here.

    1945 First Timers
    Wally Berger
    Lloyd Brown
    Jackie Hays
    Odel Hildebrand
    Syl Johnson
    Lyn Larry
    Billy Rogell
    Jack Russell
    Gus Suhr
    Rabbit Warstler
    Bob Weiland
    Jimmie Wilson

    It looks like all thirteen are going to likely be one and dones. This is going to be the year for pushing holdovers. There doesn't seem to be a single first timer on this ballot that I'd support other than Berger, but I'd have to take it into consideration.
    Last edited by Ace Venom; 04-19-2009 at 02:54 PM.
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