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    BBF VC Progressive HoF Election: 1945

    Below is the final ballot for the 1940 VC Players Election. Voters can vote for as many candidates as they wish with 75% support required to elect a player. Voting will be open for five days, at which point we'll tabulate votes provided we have a quorum consisting of at least 12 of the 19 VC members having voted. Anyone is free to participate in the discussion and submit a ballot but only ballots from the 19 VC members will be counted.

    New Rules
    - The 1945 ballot will consist of:
    1) Every player that previously made a final VC ballot;
    2) Every player that received at least 1/3 support in the regular election;
    3) Every player that lasted 15 years on the regular ballot.

    -Voters can vote for as many players as they wish on the ballot and can also vote for up to 2 write-in candidates. If any write-in candidates receive at least 50% support, I'll list him on the next ballot. I will supply a master list so voters know who is eligible for write-ins

    - If a player on the ballot does not receive at least 2 votes he will not appear on the following ballot (though the player will be eligible for write-in votes). So the 1950 ballot will consist of:
    1) Every player from the 1945 ballot who received at least 2 votes;
    2) Every newly eligible player that received 1/3 support in the regular election or lasted 15 years on the regular ballot; and
    3) Any players who received at least 50% support as write-ins in the 1945 election.

    1945 Final Ballot (33)
    Chief Bender
    Tommy Bond
    George J. Burns
    Jack Chesbro
    Larry Corcoran
    Gavvy Cravath
    Lave Cross
    Candy Cummings
    Mike Donlin
    Fred Dunlap
    Johnny Evers
    Dave Foutz
    Larry Gardner
    Mike Griffin
    Harry Hooper
    Charley Jones
    Silver King
    Johnny Kling
    Ed Konetchy
    Denny Lyons
    Jim McCormick
    Deacon McGuire
    Ed McKean
    Tip O'Neal
    Del Pratt
    Ed Reulbach
    Jimmy Scheckard
    Mike Tiernan
    Joe Tinker
    Hippo Vaughn
    Bobby Veach
    Ned Williamson
    Joe Wood

    PAST RESULTS

    Players Elected by Veterans Committee (11)
    Clark Griffith (1940)
    Tommy Leach (1940)
    Herman Long (1925)
    Cal McVey (1920)
    Dickey Pearce (1920)
    Lip Pike (1920)
    Hardy Richardson (1920)
    Jimmy Ryan (1930)
    Joe Start (1920)
    Ezra Sutton (1920)
    Mickey Welsh (1920)

    1940 Final Results (14 Ballots Cast, 11 Votes Required for Election
    1) Tommy Leach: 85.71% (12 Votes) - Elected
    2) Clark Griffith: 78.57% (11 Votes) - Elected
    3) Jimmy Scheckard: 64.29% (9 Votes)
    t4) Charley Jones: 50.00% (7 Votes)
    t4) Mike Tiernan: 50.00% (7 Votes)
    6) Gavvy Gravath: 42.86% (6 Votes)
    7) Jim McCormick: 28.57% (4 Votes)
    8) Lave Cross: 14.29% (2 Votes)

    1935 Final Results (14 Ballots Cast, 11 Votes Required for Election
    1) Clark Griffith: 71.43% (10 Votes)
    2) Jimmy Sheckard: 57.14% (8 Votes)
    3) Mike Tiernan: 50.00% (7 Votes)
    4) Jim McCormick: 42.86% (6 Votes)
    5) Charley Jones: 35.71% (5 Votes)
    6) Lave Cross: 25.00% (4 Votes)
    7) Tommy Bond: 18.75% (3 Votes)
    8) Ned Williamson: 14.29% (2 Votes)
    9) Jack Chesbro: 0% (0 Votes)

    1930 Final Results (15 Ballots Cast, 12 Votes Required for Election
    1) Jimmy Ryan: 86.67% (12 Votes) - Elected
    2) Clark Griffith: 66.67% (10 Votes)
    3) Jim McCormick: 40.00% (6 Votes)
    t4) Lave Cross: 33.33% (5 Votes)
    t4) Charley Jones: 33.33% (5 Votes)
    t4) Mike Tiernan: 33.33% (5 Votes)
    7) Candy Cummings: 26.67% (4 Votes)
    8) Jack Chesbro: 20.00% (3 Votes)
    t9) Tommy Bond: 13.33% (2 Votes)
    t9) Mike Griffin: 13.33% (2 Votes)
    t9) Deacon McGuire: 13.33% (2 Votes)
    t9) Ed McKean: 13.33% (2 Votes)
    13) Tip O'Neill: 6.67% (1 Vote)

    1925 Final Results (12 Ballots Cast, 9 Votes Required for Election
    1) Herman Long: 75.00% (9 Votes) - Elected
    2) Jimmy Ryan: 66.67% (8 Votes)
    3) Mike Tiernan: 50.00% (6 Votes)
    t4) Candy Cummings: 41.67% (5 Votes)
    t4) Charley Jones: 41.67% (5 Votes)
    t4) Jim McCormick: 41.67% (5 Votes)
    7) Ed McKean: 33.33% (4 Votes)
    8) Mike Griffin: 16.67% (2 Votes)
    t9) Dave Foutz: 8.33% (1 Vote)
    t9) Silver King: 8.33% (1 Vote)
    t9) Tommy Bond: 8.33% (1 Vote)
    12) Fred Dunlap: 0% (0 Votes)

    1920 Final Results (12 Ballots Cast, 9 Votes Required for Election
    t1) Hardy Richardson: 91.67% (11 Votes) - Elected
    t1) Joe Start: 91.67% (11 Votes) - Elected
    t2) Cal McVey: 83.33% (10 Votes) - Elected
    t2) Ezra Sutton: 83.33% (10 Votes) - Elected
    t5) Lip Pike: 75.00% (9 Votes) - Elected
    t5) Mickey Welch: 75.00% (9 Votes ) - Elected

    t7) Charley Jones: 58.33% (7 Votes)
    t7) Mike Tiernan: 58.33% (7 Votes)
    9) Jim McCormick: 50.00% (6 Votes)
    10) Ed McKean: 33.33% (4 Votes)
    11) Tommy Bond: 16.67% (2 Votes)
    t12) Fred Dunlap: 8.33% (1 Vote)
    t12) Denny Lyons: 8.33% (1 Vote)
    t12) Ned Williamson: 8.33% (1 Vote)
    *Dickey Pearce - Elected in Separate Pioneer/Player Election

    Master List:
    -Bolded player's names are on the final ballot.
    -You can vote up to 2 players on the master list not included on the final ballot.

    Master List
    Ginger Beaumont
    Chief Bender
    Lu Blue
    Tommy Bond
    Bill Bradley
    Kitty Bransfield
    Charlie Buffinton
    Jack Burdock
    George J. Burns
    Oyster Burns
    Ray Chapman
    Jack Chesbro
    John Clapp
    Boileryard Clarke
    Larry Corcoran
    Tommy Corcoran
    Jack Coombs
    Gavvy Cravath
    Lave Cross
    Candy Cummings
    Nig Cuppy
    Abner Dalyrmple
    Harry Davis
    Bill Dinneen
    Mike Donlin
    Bill Donovan
    Jack Doyle
    Fred Dunlap
    Frank Dwyer
    Johnny Evers
    Duke Farrell
    Bob Ferguson
    Cherokee Fisher
    Ray Fisher
    Wes Fisler
    Silver Flint
    Davy Force
    Russ Ford
    Dave Foutz
    Larry Gardner
    Kid Gleason
    Mike Griffin
    Chick Hafey
    Noodles Hahn
    Ned Hanlon
    Topsy Hartsel
    Claude Hendrix
    Buck Herzog
    Solly Hofman
    Harry Hooper
    Dummy Hoy
    Miller Huggins
    Travis Jackson
    Charley Jones
    Fielder Jones
    Joe Judge
    Benny Kauff
    George Kelly
    Brickyard Kennedy
    Silver King
    Johnny Kling
    Ed Konetchy
    Arlie Latham
    Sam Leever
    Andy Leonard
    Bobby Lowe
    Dolf Luque
    Denny Lyons
    Fergy Malone
    Bobby Mathews
    Firpo Marberry
    Rube Marquard
    Jimmy McAleer
    Dick McBride
    Tommy McCarthy
    John McGraw
    Ed McKean
    Levi Meyerle
    Billy Nash
    Jack O'Connor
    Lefty O'Doul
    Tip O'Neal
    Dave Orr
    Orval Overall
    Herb Pennock
    John Peters
    Deacon Phillippe
    Jack Powell
    Del Pratt
    Jack Quinn
    Claude Ritchey
    Ed Reulbach
    Wilbert Robinson
    Jack Rowe
    Cy Seymour
    Jimmy Scheckard
    Chick Stahl
    George Stone
    George Stovall
    Jesse Tannehill
    Jeff Tesreau
    Roy Thomas
    Mike Tiernan
    Joe Tinker
    Terry Turner
    Hippo Vaughn
    Bobby Veach
    John Warner
    Doc White
    Will White
    Jim Whitney
    Cy Williams
    Jimmy Williams
    Ned Williamson
    Hooks Wiltsie
    Joe Wood
    Tom York
    George Zettlein
    Chief Zimmer

    New Committee Proposal
    Amid some debate that Negro League player be considered for the Progressive Hall, the 1950 VC ballot could include a separate ballot for Negro League players who would otherwise be considered for the regular election had the league been integrated. Given the fact that Rube Foster has already been elected as a contributor, it is reasonable that the Veterans Committee examines the career of significant Negro League players.
    -A Negro League player becomes eligible for consideration by the Veterans Committee after being retired from active play for 5 years unless they meet special eligibility requirements (age 45 or death).
    -Pioneers that played in the 19th century in a Major League may also be placed under consideration by the Veterans Committee.
    -These proposals may be amended by the Veterans Committee for the purposes of adopting reasonable requirements for eligibility.
    Last edited by Ace Venom; 04-26-2009 at 05:31 AM.
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    Jimmy Sheckard.

    I'm not a supporter of anybody on this list, really, but per my self-imposed mandate of voting for one, Sheckard gets the nod.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.

    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.

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    I've decided to fall onto the side of being inclusive rather than exclusive here.

    Chief Bender
    Lave Cross
    Candy Cummings
    Johnny Evers
    Larry Gardner
    Charley Jones
    Johnny Kling
    Ed Konetchy
    Jim McCormick
    Deacon McGuire
    Ed McKean
    Jimmy Scheckard
    Mike Tiernan
    Hippo Vaughn
    Bobby Veach
    Ned Williamson

    I can see the HOF case for all these players in this specific project. From a 2009 standard, the only player on this list I support for the HOF is Deacon McGuire and his is a tough case. I'd be surprised if we elect anyone this cycle, however.

    Ace Venom, do you want me to continue to stagger the VC contributors so that they fall a year after the VC players?

    @The committee--I heard several rumors that there might be a Black player in the major leagues this year or next. Is it time to take a closer look at the Negro Leagues who warrant HOF consideration in 1950 or should we hold off and see how this pans out? On the contributor's side, where we look at baseball in general, black contributors have been considered almost since the inception of the VC Contributors Veteran's Committee. Personally, I've never supported Judge Landis' views and find them archaic given the role blacks played in WWII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Ace Venom, do you want me to continue to stagger the VC contributors so that they fall a year after the VC players?
    Certainly I want you to keep running the contributor's election the way it's been run.
    RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Personally, I've never supported Judge Landis' views and find them archaic given the role blacks played in WWII.
    Interesting. You mean that at one time you didn't find those views archaic?

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    My ballot:

    Chief Bender
    Larry Corcoran
    Charley Jones
    Denny Lyons
    John McGraw
    Levi Meyerle


    Also, Sheckard is spelled wrong.

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    Most of these guys got my support in the regular election

    Bender
    Cross
    Evers
    Griffin
    Kling
    Sheckard
    Tiernan
    Vaughn
    Williamson

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavoyBG View Post
    Interesting. You mean that at one time you didn't find those views archaic?
    When Landis came to baseball, I thought that he handled the 8 who allegedly conspired to throw the World Series well. Minus that one thing and his banishment of several other crooked players, I think as a whole, Landis hurt baseball more than he helped it.

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    An uninspiring ballot to say the least.

    Sheckard
    Tiernan
    Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball

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    Chief Bender
    Tommy Bond
    George J. Burns
    Larry Corcoran
    Gavvy Cravath
    Mike Donlin
    Johnny Evers
    Harry Hooper
    Charley Jones
    Silver King
    Denny Lyons
    Jim McCormick
    Ed McKean
    Tip O'Neal
    Mike Tiernan
    Joe Tinker
    Bobby Veach

    Write-In
    Bobby Mathews
    Levi Meyerle
    Last edited by dgarza; 04-27-2009 at 05:44 AM.

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    If I get enough votes by about 7:30 tomorrow night, I can close the voting and we could start discussing a potential Negro League ballot for 1950.
    RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

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    My ballot

    George J. Burns
    Candy Cummings
    Charley Jones
    Jimmy Sheckard

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    Bender, Chief
    Sheckard, Jimmy
    Tinker, Joe
    Hey, this is my public apology for suddenly disappearing and missing out on any projects I may have neglected.

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