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  • Wally Berger, CF (1930-1940) - 14th Year

    15 50.00%
  • Harry Brecheen, SP (1940, 1943-1953) - 1st Year

    5 16.67%
  • Tommy Bridges, SP (1930-1943, 1945-1946) - 8th Year

    15 50.00%
  • Dom DiMaggio, CF (1940-1942, 1946-1953) - 1st Year

    9 30.00%
  • Lefty Gomez, SP (1930-1943) - 11th Year

    19 63.33%
  • Hank Edwards, RF (1941-1943, 1946-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Bob Elliot, RF (1939-1953) - 1st Year

    14 46.67%
  • Tommy Henrich, RF (1937-1942, 1946-1950) - 4th Year

    4 13.33%
  • Fred Hutchinson, SP (1939-1940, 1946-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Billy Johnson, 3B (1943, 1946-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Bob Johnson, LF (1933-1945) - 9th Year

    14 46.67%
  • Charlie Keller, LF (1939-1943, 1945-1952) - 2nd Year

    12 40.00%
  • Chuck Klein, RF (1928-1944) - 10th Year

    12 40.00%
  • Don Kolloway, 2B (1940-1943, 1946-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Max Lanier, SP (1938-1946, 1949-1953) - 1st Year

    1 3.33%
  • Tony Lazzeri, 2B (1926-1939) - 14th Year

    15 50.00%
  • Dutch Leonard, SP (1933-1936, 1938-1953) - 1st Year

    3 10.00%
  • Ernie Lombardi, C (1931-1947) - 7th Year

    13 43.33%
  • Heinie Manush, LF (1922-1939) - 14th Year

    9 30.00%
  • Marty Marion, SS (1940-1950, 1952-1953) - 1st Year

    2 6.67%
  • Barney McCosky, CF (1939-1942, 1946-1948, 1950-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Johnny Mize, 1B (1936-1942, 1946-1953) - 1st Year

    29 96.67%
  • Pat Mulin, RF (1940-1941, 1946-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Buddy Myer, 2B (1925-1941) - 13th Year

    5 16.67%
  • Bobo Newsom, SP (1929-1930, 1932, 1934-1948, 1952-1953) - 1st Year

    2 6.67%
  • Bill Nicholson, RF (1936, 1939-1953) - 1st Year

    1 3.33%
  • Jerry Priddy, 2B (1941-1943, 1946-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Ray Scarborough, SP (1942-1943, 1946-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Eddie Stanky, 2B (1943-1953) - 1st Year

    2 6.67%
  • Bob Swift, C (1940-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Cecil Travis, SS (1933-1941, 1945-1947) - 7th Year

    2 6.67%
  • Hal Trosky, 1B (1933-1941, 1944, 1946) - 9th Year

    2 6.67%
  • Dixie Walker, RF (1931, 1933-1949) - 5th Year

    3 10.00%
  • Bucky Walters, SP (1934-1948, 1950) - 4th Year

    13 43.33%
  • Lloyd Waner, RF (1926-1945) - 9th Year

    4 13.33%
  • Lon Warneke, SP (1930-1943, 1945) - 9th Year

    9 30.00%
  • Ted Wilks, RP (1944-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Al Zarilla, RF (1943-1944, 1946-1953) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • None of the Above (Blank Ballot)

    0 0%
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Thread: BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1958

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    BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1958

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    Format and Rules
    Voting Rules:
    Voters may vote for between 0-15 candidates. Votes will be made public, and voters are encouraged to post their ballots in the thread and not view results before voting. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR BALLOT TO 15 VOTES AT MOST. EXCESS VOTES MAY RESULT IN YOUR BALLOT BEING DISQUALIFIED.
    -Blank Ballots: A "None of the Above" option is available if you believe no one is worthy and you wish to submit a blank ballot. This option is not to be taken lightly and it is strongly urged that it be used only after the utmost consideration, as non-votes carry great weight. Additionally, if using this option, please post your rationale.

    Voting Criteria: Players are to be evaluated within the context of the era in which they played and the history of the game to that point. Players are not to be held to standards that would materialize at a time beyond the year of the current election. Modern statistical analysis is permitted but must be applied strictly within historical context not to go beyond the year of the current election. Players are to be judged based solely on their playing careers. Other, non-playing contributions may be considered to the extent that they coincided with a player's playing career (such as a player/manager).

    Thoughtfulness and Editing Ballots: Please review and thoughtfully consider the candidates before voting, and make sure you have accurately filled out your ballot before submitting. Requests for editing ballots after the fact will generally not be honored. Exceptions might be made if a voter accidentally voted for the wrong player or accidentally went over the voting limit (but I strongly encourage you to do your best to prevent either from happening).

    Required Support: Players receiving at least 75% support in an election will be elected. Players need at least 5% support to appear on the next ballot.

    Player Eligibility: Players eligible for an election will have last played at least 5 years prior to the election year and have appeared in at least 10 Major League seasons. If a player appeared in less than 10 seasons, he may still be eligible if he had a minimum of 3000 PAs or 1500 IP, though extra scrutiny will be applied. Players will remain on the ballot for 15 years, provided they continue to receive at least 5% of the vote, at which point they will become indefinitely eligible for periodic elections conducted by the Veterans Committee.
    - Age Exception: For players 40 or older, they will become eligible the later of either 5 years after their last year of continuous play, or their first inactive year at age 45 or older.
    - Death Exception: For players who meet the criteria for consideration, but die before their first year of eligibility can have the five year waiting period waived and placed on the ballot the year of death.

    Election Period: Elections will close exactly one week after starting. The next election might not commence for another day or two.

    Conduct Policy: Every vote is a voter's opinion on who should be elected to the Hall of Fame. It is our responsibility as voters to be respectful towards each other. Personal attacks should not be tolerated and you should notify a moderator rather than allowing an argument to escalate and further derail discussion of the candidates.

    Recounts: There is a moratorium on regular election recounts until the 1960 election. It is your responsibility to ensure that your ballot is correct when it is submitted. No votes will be adjusted if you accidentally clicked on the wrong box.

    1958 Guide
    There are 38 candidates on the 1957 ballot - 17 holdovers and 21 first timers. First time eligible players last played in 1953 (unless qualifying under the age or death rule) or were omitted on the ballot in previous years.

    Newly Eligible (21)
    Harry Brecheen
    Dom DiMaggio
    Hank Edwards
    Bob Elliot
    Fred Hutchinson
    Billy Johnson
    Don Kolloway
    Max Lanier
    Dutch Leonard
    Marty Marion
    Barney McCosky
    Johnny Mize
    Pat Mullin
    Bobo Newsom
    Bill Nicholson
    Jerry Priddy
    Ray Scarborough
    Eddie Stanky
    Bob Swift
    Ted Wilks
    Al Zarilla

    Holdovers (17)
    Code:
    Player			Year of Eligibility	Previous Support	High Support		Low Support
    Wally Berger           14th                    53.33%                  53.85% (1947)           38.24% (1950)
    Tommy Bridges           8th                    46.67%                  46.67% (1957)           22.58% (1952)
    Lefty Gomez		11th			63.33%			63.33% (1957)		38.46 (1948)
    Tommy Henrich		4th			16.67%			25.00% (1955)		11.11% (1956)
    Bob Johnson		9th			43.33%			47.06% (1953)		26.47% (1950)
    Charlie Keller		2nd			40.00%			40.00% (1957)		40.00% (1957)
    Chuck Klein		10th			40.00%			45.71% (1951)		37.50% (1954)
    Tony Lazzeri		14th			50.00%			50.00% (1957)		20.59% (1953)
    Ernie Lombardi		7th			46.67%			48.15% (1956)		32.26% (1952)
    Heinie Manush		14th			26.67%			34.48% (1945)		18.75% (1954)
    Buddy Myer		13th			13.33%			20.59% (1953)		11.11% (1946)
    Cecil Travis		7th			16.67%			16.67% (1957)		6.25% (1954)
    Hal Trosky		9th			10.00%			14.29% (1951)		5.88% (1953)
    Dixie Walker		5th			13.33%			13.33% (1957)		9.38% (1954)
    Bucky Walters		4th			53.33%			53.33% (1957)		40.74% (1956)
    Lloyd Waner		9th			13.33%			13.33% (1957)		5.88% (1953)
    Lon Warneke		9th			26.67%			26.67% (1957)		8.82% (1950)
    Holdovers Dropped From Last Election (2)
    Code:
    Player			Reason			Years on Ballot		High Support		Low Support
    Kiki Cuyler		End of Eligibility	15			55.17% (1945)		29.63% (1956)
    Johnny Vander Meer	Lack of Support	        2			7.41% (1956)		3.33% (1957)
    Last Year of Eligibility (0)
    Code:
    Player			High Support
    Penultimate Year of Eligibility (3)
    Code:
    Player			High Support
    Wally Berger	        53.85% (1947)
    Tony Lazzeri	        50.00% (1957)
    Heinie Manush	        34.48% (1945)
    Holdovers Receiving At Least 50% in Previous Election (2)
    Code:
    Player			Previous Support	Years with At Least 50% Support
    Wally Berger	        53.33%			5
    Lefty Gomez	        63.33%			6
    Tony Lazzeri	        50.00%			1
    Bucky Walters	        53.33%			1
    Hall of Famers - 176
    A total of 176 players and contributors have been elected to the BBF Progressive Hall of Fame.

    Hall of Fame Players Wing
    Players Elected - 154
    Code:
    Player			Year Elected	Election Percentage	Years on Ballot		Position	        Primary Team			        Active Years			  Total Seasons		Living/Deceased		Age at Election
    Pete Alexander		1935		93.94%			1			Pitcher		        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1911-1930			  20			Deceased (1887-1950)	48
    Cap Anson		1902		100%			1			First Base	        Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1871-1897			  27			Deceased (1852-1922)	50
    Luke Appling		1955		100%		        1		        Shortstop		Chicago White Sox (AL)		        1930-1943, 1945-1950		  20		        Living - Age 51		48
    Earl Averill		1947		82.14%		        2		        Center Field		Cleveland Indians (AL)			1929-1941		          13		        Living - Age 56		45
    Frank Baker		1927		96.43%			1			Third Base	        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1908-1914, 1916-1919, 1921-1922	  13			Living - Age 70		41
    Ross Barnes^		1911		76.00%			11			Second Base	        Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1879, 1881			  9			Deceased (1850-1915)	61
    Jake Beckley		1917		76.00%			6			First Base	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1887-1907			  20			Deceased (1867-1918)	50
    John Beckwith*`		1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Third Base		Chicago Giants (NNL)			1916-1938		          19		        Deceased (1900-1956)	47
    James Bell		1952 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Center Field		Pittsburgh crawfords (NNL)		1922-1946		          25		        Living - Age 55		49
    Charlie Bennett		1907		75.00%			7			Catcher		        Detroit Wolverines (NL)			1878, 1880-1893			  15			Deceased (1854-1927)	53
    Lou Boudreau		1957		90.00%		        1		        Shortstop		Cleveland Indians (AL)		        1938-1952		          15		        Living - Age 41		40
    Roger Bresnahan		1925		79.17%			6			Catcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1897, 1900-1915			  17			Deceased (1879-1944)	46
    Dan Brouthers		1901		90.00%			1			First Base	        Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1879-1896, 1904			  18			Deceased (1858-1932)	50
    Mordecai Brown		1921		96.77%			1			Pitcher		        Chicago Cubs (NL)			1903-1916			  14			Deceased (1876-1948)	45
    Ray Brown*`		1957 (VC)	81.81%		        VC		        Pitcher		        Homestead Grays (I/NNL)		        1930-1948		          19		        Living - Age 50		49
    Pete Browning		1909		77.27%			9			Left Field/Center Field	Louisville Colonels (NL/AA)	        1882-1894			  13			Deceased (1861-1905)	Deceased
    Jesse Burkett		1910		92.00%			1			Left Field 	        Cleveland Spiders (NL)			1890-1895			  16			Deceased (1868-1953)	42
    Max Carey		1934		82.14%			1			Center Field	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1910-1929			  20			Living - Age 68		44
    Bob Caruthers		1909		77.27%			9			Pitcher/Right Field	St. Louis Browns (Cardinals) (NL/AA)	1884-1893		          10			Deceased (1864-1911)	45
    Frank Chance		1932		83.33%			14			First Base	        Chicago Cubs (NL)			1898-1914			  17			Deceased (1876-1924)	Deceased
    Oscar Charleston*`	1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Center Field		Indianapolis ABCs (I/NNL)		1915-1941		          27		        Deceased (1896-1954)	51
    Cupid Childs		1920		76.92%			15			Second Base	        Cleveland Spiders (NL)			1888, 1890-1901			  13			Deceased (1867-1912)	Deceased
    Fred Clarke		1917		88.00%			1			Left Field	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1894-1915			  21			Living - Age 88		45
    John Clarkson		1901		90.00%			1			Pitcher		        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)	        1882, 1884-1894			  12			Deceased (1861-1909)	40
    Ty Cobb			1933		96.55%			1			Center Field	        Detroit Tigers (AL)			1905-1928			  24			Living - Age 72		47
    Mickey Cochrane		1942		89.19%			1			Catcher		        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1925-1937			  13			Living - Age 54		38
    Eddie Collins		1935		96.67%			1			Second Base	        Chicago White Sox (AL)			1906-1930			  25			Deceased (1887-1951)	48
    Jimmy Collins		1913		82.61%			1			Third Base	        Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL)		1895-1908			  14			Deceased (1870-1943)	43
    Roger Connor		1902		79.17%			1			First Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1880-1897			  18			Deceased (1857-1931)	45
    Andy Cooper*`		1947 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Pitcher			Kansas City Monarchs (NNL/NAL)		1920-1941		          22		        Deceased (1898-1941)	Deceased
    Wilbur Cooper*		1950 (VC)	75.00%		        VC	                Pitcher		        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)		        1912-1926		          15	                Living - Age 66		58
    Stan Coveleski		1934		89.29%			2			Pitcher		        Cleveland Indians  (AL)			1912, 1916-1928			  14 			Living - Age 69		45
    Sam Crawford		1922		92.86%			1			Right Field	        Detroit Tigers (AL)	                1899-1917			  19			Living - Age 78		41
    Joe Cronin		1950		88.24%		        1		        Shortstop	        Boston Red Sox (AL)		        1926-1945		          20		        Living - Age 52		44
    Bill Dahlen		1916		88.00%			1			Shortstop	        Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1891-1911			  21			Deceased (1870-1950)	46
    George Davis		1914		84.62%			1			Shortstop	        New York Giants (NL)			1890-1909			  20			Deceased (1870-1940)	44
    Leon Day*`		1957 (VC)	81.81%		        VC		        Pitcher/Second Base	Newark Eagles (NNL)		        1934-1943, 1946-1950		  15		        Living - Age 42		41
    Ed Delahanty		1908		96.00%			1			Left Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1888-1903			  16			Deceased (1867-1903)	Deceased
    Dizzy Dean		1948		80.77%		        3		        Pitcher		        St. Louis Cardinals (NL)		1930, 1932-1941, 1947		  12		        Living - Age 49		38
    Bill Dickey		1951		94.29%		        1		        Catcher		        New York Yankees (AL)		        1928-1943, 1946		          17		        Living - Age 51		44
    Martin Dihigo*`		1952 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Second Base/Pitcher	Cuban Stars (East) (ANL/I)		1923-1945		          23		        Living - Age 52		46
    Joe DiMaggio		1956		96.30%		        1		        Center Field		New York Yankees (AL)		        1936-1942, 1946-1951		  13		        Living - Age 44		42
    Bobby Doerr		1956		88.89%		        1		        Second Base		Boston Red Sox (AL)		        1937-1944, 1946-1951		  14		        Living - Age 40		38
    Larry Doyle		1926		76.00%			2			Second Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1907-1920			  14			Living - Age 72		40
    Hugh Duffy		1918		75.00%			8			Center Field/Outfield	Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)	        1888-1891, 1904-1906	          17			Deceased (1866-1954)	52
    Buck Ewing		1902		83.33%			1			Catcher		        New York Giants  (NL)			1880-1897			  18			Deceased (1859-1906)	44
    Red Faber		1940		76.46%			3			Pitcher		        Chicago White Sox  (AL)			1914-1933			  20			Living - Age 70		52
    Wes Ferrell		1955		78.57%		        10		        Pitcher		        Cleveland Indians (AL)		        1927-1941		          15		        Living - Age 50		47
    Elmer Flick		1916		80.00%			1			Right Field	        Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1898-1910			  13			Living - Age 82		40
    Willie Foster*`		1947 (VC)	75.00%		        VC		        Pitcher			Chicago American Giants (ANL/NNL)	1923-1938		          16		        Living - Age 54		43
    Jimmie Foxx		1950		100%		        1		        First Base	        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)	        1925-1942, 1945		          20		        Living - Age 51		43
    Frankie Frisch		1942		91.89%			1			Second Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1919-1937			  19			Living - Age 59		43
    Pud Galvin		1903		80.77%			3			Pitcher		        Buffalo Bisons (NL)	                1875, 1879-1892			  15			Deceased (1856-1902)	Deceased
    Lou Gehrig	        1944	        100%		        1		        First Base	        New York Yankees (AL)		        1923-1939		          17	                Deceased (1903-1941)	Deceased
    Charlie Gehringer	1947		100%		        1		        Second Base		Detroit Tigers (AL)			1924-1942		          19		        Living - Age 55		44
    Josh Gibson*`		1947 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Catcher			Homestead Grays (ANL/NNL)		1929-1946		          18		        Deceased (1911-1947)	Deceased
    Jack Glasscock		1911		84.00%			11			Shortstop	        Cleveland Blues (NL)			1879-1895			  17			Deceased (1857-1947)	54
    George Gore		1909		77.27%			9			Center Field	        Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1879-1892			  14			Deceased (1867-1933)	52
    Joe Gordon		1955		75.00%		        1		        Second Base		New York Yankees (AL)		        1938-1943, 1946-1950		  11		        Living - Age 43		40
    Goose Goslin           1943            93.33%                  1                       Left Field              Washington Senators (NL)                1921-1938                         18                    Living - Age 57         42
    Frank Grant*`		1947 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Second Base		Cuban Giants (I/MSL)			1886-1905		          20		        Deceased (1865-1937)	Deceased
    Hank Greenberg		1952		93.55%		        1		        First Base		Detroit Tigers (AL)		        1930, 1933-1941, 1945-1947	  13		        Living - Age 47		41
    Clark Griffith*		1940 (VC)	78.57%			VC			Pitcher		        Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1891, 1893-1909, 1912-1914	  20			Deceased (1869-1955)	70
    Heinie Groh		1936		81.25%			5			Third Base	        Cincinnati Reds (NL)			1912-1927			  16			Living - Age 69		47
    Lefty Grove		1946		100%		        1		        Pitcher			Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1925-1941		          17		        Living - Age 58		46
    Stan Hack		1952		77.42%		        1		        Third Base		Chicago Cubs (NL)		        1932-1947		          16		        Living - Age 49		43
    Billy Hamilton		1906		82.61%			1			Center Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1888-1901			  14			Deceased (1866-1940)	40
    Gabby Hartnett		1946		96.30%		        1		        Catcher			Chicago Cubs (NL)			1922-1941		          20		        Living - Age 58		46
    Harry Heilmann		1937		96.18%			1			Right Field	        Detroit Tigers (AL)	                1914, 1916-1930, 1932		  17			Deceased (1894-1951)	43
    Billy Herman		1952		77.42%		        1		        Second Base		Chicago Cubs (NL)		        1931-1943, 1946-1947		  15		        Living - Age 49		43
    Pete Hill*`		1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Center Field		Chicago American Giants (I)		1899-1925		          27		        Deceased (1880-1951)	67
    Paul Hines		1904		76.00%			4			Center Field	        Providence Grays (NL)			1872-1891			  20			Deceased (1855-1935)	49
    Rogers Hornsby		1942		97.30%			1			Second Base	        St. Louis Cardinals (NL)		1915-1937			  23			Living - Age 61		45
    Carl Hubbell		1948		96.15%		        1		        Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1928-1943		          16		        Living - Age 56		45
    Hughie Jennings		1927		75.00%			14			Shortstop	        Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1891-1903, 1907, 1909, 1912, 1918 17			Deceased (1869-1928)	58
    Grant Johnson*`		1947 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Shortstop		Brooklyn Royal Giants (I)		1895-1916		          22		        Living - Age 84		73
    Walter Johnson		1932		100%			1			Pitcher		        Washington Senators (AL)                1907-1927			  21			Deceased (1887-1946)	45
    Addie Joss		1926		76.00%			15			Pitcher		        Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1902-1910			  9			Deceased (1880-1911)	Deceased
    Tim Keefe		1901		75.00%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1880-1893			  14			Deceased (1857-1933)	44
    Willie Keeler		1916		92.00%			2			Right Field	        Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1892-1910			  19			Deceased (1872-1923)	44
    Joe Kelley		1920		84.62%			8			Left Field	        Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1891-1906, 1908			  17			Deceased (1871-1943)	49
    King Kelly		1902		75.00%			2			Right Field/Catcher	Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1878-1893		          16			Deceased (1857-1894)	Deceased
    Napoleon Lajoie		1921		96.77%			1			Second Base	        Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1896-1916			  21			Living - Age 84		47
    Tommy Leach*		1940 (VC)	85.71%			VC			Third Base/Center Field	Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)		        1898-1915, 1918			  19			Living - Age 81		63
    Buck Leonard*`		1952 (VC)	100%		        VC		        First Base		Homestead Grays (I/NNL)		        1933-1950		          18		        Living - Age 51		45
    John Henry Lloyd*`	1947 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Shortstop		Lincoln Giants (I/ECL)			1906-1932		          27		        Living - Age 74		63
    Herman Long*		1925 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Shortstop	        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1889-1904			  16			Deceased (1866-1909)	Deceased
    Dick Lundy*`		1952 (VC)	81.82%		        VC		        Shortstop		Bacharach Giants (I/ECL)		1916-1939		          24		        Living - Age 60		54
    Ted Lyons		1949		80.00%		        3		        Pitcher		        Chicago White Sox (AL)		        1928-1942, 1946		          16		        Living - Age 58		49
    Biz Mackey*`		1952 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Catcher		        Hilldale Daises (ECL/ANL/I)		1920-1941, 1945-1947, 1950	  26		        Living - Age 61		55
    Sherry Magee		1924		86.21%			1			Left Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1904-1919			  16			Deceased (1884-1929)	40
    Rabbit Maranville*	1955 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Shortstop		Boston Braves (NL)		        1912-1933, 1935		          23		        Deceased (1891-1954)	Deceased
    Christy Mathewson	1922		93.55%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1900-1916			  17			Deceased (1880-1925)	41
    Joe McGinnity		1913		91.30%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1899-1908			  10			Deceased (1871-1929)	42
    Bid McPhee		1905		75.00%			2			Second Base	        Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA)			1882-1899			  18			Deceased (1859-1943)	42
    Cal McVey*^		1920 (VC)	83.33%			VC			Catcher/First Base	Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1879			  9			Deceased (1849-1926)	71
    Joe Medwick		1953		85.29%		        1		        Left Field		St. Louis Cardinals (NL)		1932-1948		          17		        Living - Age 47		42
    Jose Mendez*`		1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Pitcher			Kansas City Monarchs (NNL)		1908-1926		          19		        Deceased (1887-1928)	Deceased
    Bill Monroe*`		1947 (VC)	75.00%		        VC		        Second Base		Brooklyn Royal Giants (I)		1896-1914		          19		        Deceased (1876-1914)	Deceased
    Tony Mullane		1908		80.00%			8			Pitcher		        Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA)			1881-1894			  14			Deceased (1859-1944)	49
    Kid Nichols		1911		100%			1			Pitcher		        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1890-1901, 1904-1906		  15			Deceased (1869-1953)	42
    Jim O'Rourke		1901		90.00%			1			Left Field/Utility	New York Giants (NL)		        1872-1893, 1904			  23			Deceased (1850-1919)	51
    Alejandro Oms*`		1947 (VC)	75.00%		        VC		        Center Field		Cuban Stars (East) (ECL/ANL)		1917-1935		          19		        Deceased (1895-1946)	Deceased
    Mel Ott		        1952		100%		        1		        Right Field		New York Giants (NL)		        1926-1947		          22		        Deceased (1909-1958)	43
    Satchel Paige*`		1957 (VC)	90.91%		        VC		        Pitcher		        Kansas City Monarchs (I/NNL/NAL)	1926-1953		          28		        Living - Age 52		51
    Dickey Pearce*^		1920 (VC)	100%			VC			Shortstop	        Brooklyn Atlantics (NA)			1871-1877			  6			Deceased (1836-1908)	Deceased
    Lip Pike*^		1920 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Center Field	        Baltimore Canaries (NA)			1871-1878, 1881, 1887		  10			Deceased (1845-1926)	Deceased
    Eddie Plank		1922		92.86%			1			Pitcher		        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1901-1917			  17			Deceased (1875-1926)	47
    Spotswood Poles*`	1947 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Center Field		Lincoln Stars (I)			1909-1923		          15		        Living - Age 69		60
    Charley Radbourn	1901		95.00%			1			Pitcher		        Providence Grays (NL)			1881-1891			  11			Deceased (1854-1897)	Deceased
    Dick Redding*`		1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Pitcher			Brooklyn Royal Giants (I/ECL)		1911-1938		          18		        Deceased (1891-1948)	56
    Sam Rice*		1955 (VC)	76.92%		        VC		        Right Field		Washington Senators (AL)		1915-1934		          20		        Living - Age 68		65
    Hardy Richardson*	1920 (VC)	91.67%			VC			Second Base/Left Field	Buffalo Bisons (NL)		        1879-1892			  14			Deceased (1855-1931)	65
    Eppa Rixey*		1955 (VC)	92.30%		        VC		        Pitcher		        Cincinnati Reds (NL)		        1912-1917, 1919-1933		  21		        Living - Age 67		64
    Bullet Rogan*`		1947 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Pitcher			Kansas City Monarchs (NNL/NAL)		1917-1938		          22		        Living - Age 65		54
    Edd Roush              1943            76.67%                  1                       Center Field            Cincinnati Reds (NL)                    1913-1929, 1931                   18                    Living - Age 65         49
    Red Ruffing		1951		82.86%		        2		        Pitcher		        New York Yankees (AL)		        1924-1942, 1945-1947	          22		        Living - Age 53	        46
    Amos Rusie		1906		78.26%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1889-1895, 1897-1898, 1901	  10			Deceased (1871-1942)	35
    Babe Ruth		1940		97.06%			1			Right Field/Left Field	New York Yankees (AL)		        1914-1935			  22			Deceased (1895-1948)	45
    Jimmy Ryan*		1930 (VC)	86.67%			VC			Center Field	        Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1885-1900, 1902, 1903		  18			Deceased (1863-1923)	Deceased
    Louis Santop*`		1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Catcher			Hilldale Daises (I)			1909-1926		          18		        Deceased (1890-1942)	Deceased
    Joe Sewell		1942		75.68%			5			Shortstop/Third Base	Cleveland Indians (AL)		        1920-1933			  14			Living - Age 59		43
    Jimmy Sheckard*        1945 (VC)       83.33%                  VC                      Left Field              Chicago Cubs (NL)                       1897-1913                         17                    Deceased (1878-1947)    67
    Al Simmons		1949		96.00%		        1		        Left Field	        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)	        1924-1944		          21		        Deceased (1902-1956)	47
    George Sisler		1935		90.91%			1			First Base	        St. Louis Browns (AL)			1915-1922, 1924-1930		  15			Living - Age 64		42
    Al Spalding^		1915		80.00%			15			Pitcher		        Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1878			  8			Deceased (1850-1915)	Deceased
    Tris Speaker		1933		100%			1			Center Field	        Cleveland Indians (AL)			1907-1928			  22			Deceased (1888-1958)	45
    Joe Start*^		1920 (VC)	91.67%			VC			First Base	        Providence Grays (NL)			1871-1886			  16			Deceased (1842-1927)	78
    Turkey Stearnes*`	1947 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Center Field		Detroit Stars (NNL/NAL)			1923-1942		          20		        Living - Age 57		46
    Harry Stovey		1907		75.00%			7			Left Field/First Base	Philadelphia Athletics (AA)	        1880-1893		          14			Deceased (1856-1931)	51
    Mule Suttles*`		1952 (VC)	90.90%		        VC		        First Base		Newark Eagles (NNL)		        1921, 1923-1944		          23		        Living - Age 57		51
    Ezra Sutton*		1920 (VC)	83.33%			VC			Third Base	        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1871-1888			  18			Deceased (1850-1907)	Deceased
    Bill Terry		1941		80.00%			1			First Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1923-1936			  14			Living - Age 59		43
    Sam Thompson		1907		79.17%			5			Right Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1885-1898, 1906			  14			Deceased (1860-1922)	47
    Cristobal Torriente*`	1947 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Center Field		Chicago American Giants (NNL)		1913-1928		          16		        Deceased (1893-1938)	Deceased
    Pie Traynor		1942		83.78%			1			Third Base	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1920-1937			  18			Living - Age 59		42
    Dazzy Vance		1940		76.47%			1			Pitcher		        Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL)		1915, 1918, 1922-1935		  16			Living - Age 67		48
    George Van Haltren	1918		75.00%			11			Center Field	        New York Giants (NL)			1887-1903			  17			Deceased (1866-1945)	52
    Arky Vaughan		1953		100%		        1		        Shortstop		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)		        1932-1943, 1947-1948		  14		        Deceased (1912-1952)	Deceased
    Rube Waddell		1915		84.00%			1			Pitcher		        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1897, 1899-1910			  13			Deceased (1876-1914)	Deceased
    Honus Wagner		1922		92.86%			1			Shortstop	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1897-1917			  21			Deceased (1874-1955)	48
    Bobby Wallace		1925		75.00%			3			Shortstop	        St. Louis Browns (AL)			1894-1918			  25			Living - Age 85		52
    Ed Walsh		1922		89.29%			1			Pitcher		        Chicago White Sox (AL)			1904-1917			  14			Living - Age 77		41
    John Ward		1907		75.00%			7			Shortstop/Pitcher	New York Giants (NL)		        1878-1894			  17			Deceased (1860-1925)	47
    Paul Waner		1950		94.12%		        1		        Right Field	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)		        1926-1945		          20		        Living - Age 55		47
    Mickey Welch*		1920 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1880-1892			  13			Deceased (1859-1941)	61
    Willie Wells*`		1952 (VC)	90.90%		        VC		        Shortstop		St. Louis Stars (NNL)		        1924-1948		          25		        Living - Age 53		47
    Zack Wheat		1932		87.50%			1			Left Field	        Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL)		1909-1927			  10			Living - Age 70		44
    Deacon White		1904		76.00%			4			Catcher/Third Base	Buffalo Bisons (NL)		        1871-1890			  20			Deceased (1847-1939)	57
    Smokey Joe Williams*`	1947 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Pitcher		        Homestead Grays (I/ANL)			1905-1932		          28		        Deceased (1895-1946)	Deceased
    Vic Willis		1919		77.78%			5			Pitcher		        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1898-1910			  13			Deceased (1876-1947)	43
    Jud Wilson*`		1952 (VC)	90.90%		        VC		        Third Base		Baltimore Black Sox (I/ECL/ANL)		1922-1939		          18		        Living - Age 59		53
    George Wright^		1907		75.00%			7			Shortstop	        Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1882			  12			Deceased (1847-1937)	60
    Cy Young		1916		100%			1			Pitcher		        Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL)		1890-1911			  22			Deceased (1867-1955)	49
    
    * = Elected by Veterans Committee
    ^ = Played Significantly Prior to 1871
    ` = Played in the Negro Leagues
    Players Elected by Primary Position
    Catcher (11): Charlie Bennett, Roger Bresnahan, Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing, Josh Gibson, Gabby Hartnett, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Louis Santop, Deacon White
    First Base (13): Cap Anson, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers, Frank Chance, Roger Connor, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Hank Greenberg, Buck Leonard, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry
    Second Base (15): Ross Barnes, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Larry Doyle, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby, Napoleon Lajoie, Bid McPhee, Bill Monroe, Hardy Richardson
    Third Base (9): Frank Baker, John Beckwith, Jimmy Collins, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Tommy Leach, Ezra Sutton, Pie Traynor, Jud Wilson
    Shortstop (20): Luke Appling, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Grant Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Herman Long, Dick Lundy, Rabbit Maranville, Dickey Pearce, Joe Sewell, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, John Ward, Willie Wells, George Wright
    Left Field (12): Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Goose Goslin, Joe Kelley, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Jim O'Rourke, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat
    Center Field (21): Earl Averill, James "Cool Papa" Bell, Pete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston, Ty Cobb, Joe DiMaggio, Hugh Duffy, George Gore, Billy Hamilton, Pete Hill, Paul Hines, Alejandro Oms, Lip Pike, Spotswood Poles, Edd Roush, Jimmy Ryan, Tris Speaker, Turkey Stearnes, Cristobal Torriente, George Van Haltren
    Right Field (10): Sam Crawford, King Kelly, Elmer Flick, Harry Heilmann, Willie Keeler, Mel Ott, Sam Rice, Babe Ruth, Sam Thompson, Paul Waner
    Pitcher (41): Pete Alexander, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Andy Cooper, Wilbur Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Dizzy Dean, Red Faber, Wes Ferrell, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove, Carl Hubbell, Walter Johnson, Addie Joss, Tim Keefe, Ted Lyons, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jose Mendez, Tony Mullane, Kid Nichols, Satchel Paige, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Dick Redding, Eppa Rixey, Bullet Rogan, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie, Al Spalding, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Mickey Welch, Smokey Joe Williams, Vic Willis, Cy Young

    Players Elected by Year
    Code:
    1901 (5): Dan Brouthers, John Clarkson, Tim Keefe, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn
    1902 (4): Cap Anson, Roger Connor, Buck Ewing, King Kelly
    1903 (1): Pud Galvin
    1904 (2): Paul Hines, Deacon White
    1905 (1): Bid McPhee
    1906 (2): Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie
    1907 (5): Charlie Bennett, Harry Stovey, Sam Thompson, John Ward, George Wright
    1908 (2): Ed Delahanty, Tony Mullane
    1909 (3): Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, George Gore
    1910 (1): Jesse Burkett
    1911 (3): Ross Barnes, Jack Glasscock, Kid Nichols
    1912 (0):
    1913 (2): Jimmy Collins, Joe McGinnity
    1914 (1): George Davis
    1915 (2): Al Spalding, Rube Waddell
    1916 (4): Bill Dahlen, Elmer Flick, Willie Keeler, Cy Young
    1917 (2): Jake Beckley, Fred Clarke
    1918 (2): Hugh Duffy, George Van Haltren
    1919 (1): Vic Willis
    1920 (2): Cupid Childs, Joe Kelley
    - 1920 VC (7): Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Mickey Welch
    1921 (3): Mordecai Brown, Napoleon Lajoie, Christy Mathewson
    1922 (4): Sam Crawford, Eddie Plank, Honus Wagner, Ed Walsh
    1923 (0):
    1924 (1): Sherry Magee
    1925 (2): Roger Bresnahan, Bobby Wallace
    - 1925 VC (1): Herman Long
    1926 (1): Larry Doyle
    1927 (2): Frank Baker, Hughie Jennings
    1928 (0):
    1929 (1): Addie Joss
    1930 (0):
    - 1930 VC (1): Jimmy Ryan
    1931 (0):
    1932 (3): Frank Chance, Walter Johnson, Zack Wheat
    1933 (2): Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker
    1934 (2): Max Carey, Stan Coveleski
    1935 (3): Pete Alexander, Eddie Collins, George Sisler
    - 1935 VC (0):
    1936 (1): Heinie Groh
    1937 (1): Harry Heilmann
    1938 (0):
    1939 (0):
    1940 (3): Red Faber, Babe Ruth, Dazzy Vance
    - 1940 VC (2): Clark Griffith, Tommy Leach
    1941 (1): Bill Terry
    1942 (5): Mickey Cochrane, Frankie Frisch, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Sewell, Pie Traynor
    1943 (2): Goose Goslin, Edd Roush
    1944 (1): Lou Gehrig
    1945 (0):
    - 1945 VC (1): Jimmy Sheckard
    1946 (2): Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett
    1947 (2): Earl Averill, Charlie Gehringer
    - 1947 Negro League Players VC (19): John Beckwith, Oscar Charleston, Andy Cooper, Willie Foster, Josh Gibson, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Grant Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, 
    Jose Mendez, Bill Monroe, Alejandro Oms, Spotswood Poles, Dick Redding, Bullet Rogan, Louis Santop, Turkey Stearnes, Cristobal Torriente, Smokey Joe Williams
    1948 (2): Dizzy Dean, Carl Hubbell
    1949 (2): Ted Lyons, Al Simmons
    1950 (3): Joe Cronin, Jimmie Foxx, Paul Waner
    - 1950 VC (1): Wilbur Cooper
    1951 (2): Bill Dickey, Red Ruffing
    1952 (4): Hank Greenberg, Stan Hack, Billy Herman, Mel Ott
    - 1952 Negro League Players VC (8): James "Cool Papa" Bell, Martin Dihigo, Buck Leonard, Dick Lundy, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Willie Wells, Jud Wilson
    1953 (2): Joe Medwick, Arky Vaughan
    1954 (0):
    1955 (3): Luke Appling, Wes Ferrell, Joe Gordon
    - 1955 VC (3): Rabbit Maranville, Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey
    1956 (2): Joe DiMaggio, Bobby Doerr
    1957 (1): Lou Boudreau
    - 1957 Negro League Players VC (3): Ray Brown, Leon Day, Satchel Paige
    Players Elected by Primary Decade
    1870s (9): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Al Spalding, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Deacon White, George Wright
    1880s (21): Cap Anson, Charlie Bennett, Dan Brouthers, Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Conner, Buck Ewing, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, George Gore, Paul Hines, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Tony Mullane, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn, Hardy Richardson, Harry Stovey, John Ward, Mickey Welch
    1890s (19): Jake Beckley, Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Ed Delahanty, Hugh Duffy, Frank Grant, Clark Griffith, Billy Hamilton, Hughie Jennings, Joe Kelley, Herman Long, Bid McPhee, Kid Nichols, Jimmy Ryan, Amos Rusie, Sam Thompson, George Van Haltren
    1900s (24): Roger Bresnahan, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Fred Clarke, Jimmy Collins, Sam Crawford, Elmer Flick, Pete Hill, Grant Johnson, Addie Joss, Willie Keeler, Napoleon Lajoie, Tommy Leach, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Bill Monroe, Eddie Plank, Jimmy Sheckard, Rube Waddell, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Ed Walsh, Vic Willis, Cy Young
    1910s (17): Pete Alexander, Frank Baker, Max Carey, Wilbur Cooper, Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Heinie Groh, Walter Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Sherry Magee, Jose Mendez, Spotswood Poles, Louis Santop, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat, Smokey Joe Williams
    1920s (24): John Beckwith, Oscar Charleston, Andy Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Red Faber, Frankie Frisch, Goose Goslin, Harry Heilmann, Rogers Hornsby, Dick Lundy, Biz Mackey, Rabbit Maranville, Alejandro Oms, Dick Redding, Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey, Bullet Rogan, Edd Roush, Babe Ruth, George Sisler, Joe Sewell, Cristobal Torriente, Pie Traynor, Dazzy Vance
    1930s (33): Luke Appling, Earl Averill, James "Cool Papa" Bell, Ray Brown, Mickey Cochrane, Joe Cronin, Dizzy Dean, Bill Dickey, Martin Dihigo, Wes Ferrell, Willie Foster, Jimmie Foxx, Charlie Gehringer, Lou Gehrig, Josh Gibson, Hank Greenberg, Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett, Billy Herman, Carl Hubbell, Ted Lyons, Joe Medwick, Mel Ott, Satchel Paige, Red Ruffing, Al Simmons, Turkey Stearnes, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry, Arky Vaughan, Paul Waner, Willie Wells, Jud Wilson
    1940s (6): Lou Boudreau, Leon Day, Joe DiMaggio, Bobby Doerr, Joe Gordon, Stan Hack

    Players Elected by Primary Organization
    Bacharach Giants (I, ECL) (1): Dick Lundy
    Baltimore Black Sox (I, ECL, ANL) (1): Jud Wilson
    Baltimore Canaries (NA) (1): Lip Pike
    Baltimore Orioles (fka St. Louis Browns) (AL) (2): George Sisler, Bobby Wallace
    Baltimore Orioles (NL) (3): Hughie Jennings, Willie Keeler, Joe Kelley
    Boston Red Sox (fka Americans) (AL) (4): Bobby Doerr, Jimmy Collins, Joe Cronin, Cy Young
    Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) (1): Dickey Pearce
    Brooklyn Royal Giants (I, ECL, NNL) (3): Grant Johnson, Bill Monroe, Dick Redding
    Buffalo Bisons (NL) (4): Dan Brouthers, Pud Galvin, Hardy Richardson, Deacon White
    Chicago American Giants (I, NNL, NSL, NAL) (3): Willie Foster, Pete Hill, Cristobal Torriente
    Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NL) (12): Cap Anson, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Bill Dahlen, Clark Griffith, George Gore, Stan Hack, Gabby Hartnett, Billy Herman, King Kelly, Jimmy Ryan, Jimmy Sheckard
    Chicago Giants (NNL) (1): John Beckwith
    Chicago White Sox (AL) (5): Luke Appling, Eddie Collins, Red Faber, Ted Lyons, Ed Walsh
    Cincinnati Reds (NL, AA) (5): Heinie Groh, Bid McPhee, Tony Mullane, Eppa Rixey, Edd Roush
    Cleveland Blues (NL) (1): Jack Glasscock
    Cleveland Indians (fka Naps) (AL) (9): Earl Averill, Lou Boudreau, Stan Coveleski, Wes Ferrell, Elmer Flick, Addie Joss, Napoleon Lajoie, Joe Sewell, Tris Speaker
    Cleveland Spiders (NL) (2): Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs
    Cuban Giants (I, MSL) (1): Frank Grant
    Cuban Stars (East) (I, ECL, ANL) (2): Martin Dihigo, Alejandro Oms
    Detroit Stars (I, NNL, NAL) (1): Turkey Stearnes
    Detroit Tigers (AL) (5): Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford, Charlie Gehringer, Hank Greenberg, Harry Heilmann
    Detroit Wolverines (NL) (1): Charlie Bennett
    Hilldale Daises (I, ECL, ANL, EWL) (2): Biz Mackey, Louis Santop
    Homestead Grays (I, ANL, NNL) (4): Ray Brown, Josh Gibson, Buck Leonard, Smokey Joe Williams
    Indianapolis ABCs (I, NNL, NSL, NAL) (1): Oscar Charleston
    Kansas City Atheltics (fka Philadelphia Athletics) (AL) (7): Frank Baker, Mickey Cochrane, Jimmie Foxx, Lefty Grove, Eddie Plank, Al Simmons, Rube Waddell
    Kansas City Monarchs (I, NNL, NAL) (4): Willie Foster, Jose Mendez, Satchel Paige, Bullet Rogan
    Lincoln Giants (I, ECL, ANL) (1): John Henry Lloyd
    Lincoln Stars (I) (1): Spotswood Poles
    Louisville Colonels (NL, AA) (1): Pete Browning
    Los Angeles Dodgers (fka Brooklyn Dodgers, Robins) (NL) (2): Dazzy Vance, Zack Wheat
    Milwaukee Braves (fka Boston Braves, Beaneaters, Red Stockings) (NA, NL) (11): Ross Barnes, John Clarkson, Hugh Duffy, Herman Long, Rabbit Maranville, Cal McVey, Kid Nichols, Al Spalding, Ezra Sutton, Vic Willis, George Wright
    New York Yankees (AL) (6): Bill Dickey, Joe DiMaggio, Lou Gehrig, Joe Gordon, Red Ruffing, Babe Ruth
    Newark Eagles (NNL) (2): Leon Day, Mule Suttles
    Philadelphia Athletics (AA) (1): Harry Stovey
    Philadelphia Phillies (NL) (5): Pete Alexander, Ed Delahanty, Billy Hamilton, Sherry Magee, Sam Thompson
    Pittsburgh Crawfords (NNL) (1): James "Cool Papa" Bell
    Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) (9): Jake Beckley, Max Carey, Fred Clarke, Wilbur Cooper, Tommy Leach, Pie Traynor, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Paul Waner
    Providence Grays (NL) (3): Paul Hines, Charley Radbourn, Joe Start
    San Francisco Giants (fka New York Giants) (NL) (16): Roger Bresnahan, Roger Connor, George Davis, Larry Doyle, Buck Ewing, Frankie Frisch, Carl Hubbell, Tim Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jim O’Rourke, Mel Ott, Amos Rusie, George Van Haltren, John Ward, Mickey Welch
    St. Louis Cardinals (fka Browns) (NL, AA) (4): Bob Caruthers, Dizzy Dean, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Medwick
    St. Louis Stars (NNL) (1): Willie Wells
    Washington Senators (AL) (3): Goose Goslin, Walter Johnson, Sam Rice

    Hall of Fame Contributors Wing
    Contributors Elected - 23
    Code:
    Contributor   	Year Elected	Contribution		Living/Deceased			Age at Election
    Doc Adams        1925		Pioneer			Deceased (1814-1899)		Deceased
    Ed Barrow        1941		General Manager		Deceased (1868-1953)		Deceased
    Alex Cartwright  1925		Pioneer			Deceased (1820-1892)		Deceased
    Henry Chadwick   1925		Writer			Deceased (1824-1908)		Deceased
    Charlie Comiskey 1925		Owner		        Deceased (1859-1931)		66
    Tommy Connolly	 1956		Umpire		        Living - Age 88		        86
    Jim Creighton    1925		Pioneer			Deceased (1841-1862)		Deceased
    Rube Foster      1930		Manager/Executive	Deceased (1879-1930)		Deceased
    Miller Huggins   1941		Manager			Deceased (1879-1929)		Deceased
    William Hulbert  1925		NL President		Deceased (1832-1882)		Deceased
    Ned Hanlon       1936		Manager			Deceased (1857-1937)		79
    Ban Johnson      1936		AL President		Deceased (1864-1931)		Deceased	
    Bill Klem        1941		Umpire			Deceased (1874-1951)		67
    Kenesaw Landis	 1951		Commissioner		Deceased (1866-1944)		Deceased
    Connie Mack      1930		Manager/Owner	        Deceased (1862-1956)		68
    Joe McCarthy	 1951		Manager			Living - Age 71			64
    John McGraw      1936		Manager			Deceased (1873-1934)		Deceased
    Al Reach         1946		Owner		        Deceased (1840-1928)		Deceased
    Francis Richter  1941		Writer			Deceased (1854-1926)		Deceased
    Branch Rickey    1946		General Manager		Living - Age 77			65
    Frank Selee      1936		Manager			Deceased (1859-1909)		Deceased
    AG Spalding*     1930		Executive		Deceased (1850-1915)		Deceased
    Harry Wright     1925		Manager			Deceased (1835-1895)		Deceased
    
    * = Also elected as a player
    Contributors Elected by Primary Contribution
    Commissioner (1): Kenesaw Landis
    General Manager (2): Ed Barrow, Branch Rickey
    League President (2): William Hulbert, Ban Johnson
    Manager (6): Miller Huggins, Ned Hanlon, Joe McCarthy, John McGraw, Frank Selee, Harry Wright
    Owner (3): Charlie Comiskey, Al Reach, AG Spalding
    Pioneer (3): Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright, Jim Creighton
    Umpire (2): Tom Connolly, Bill Klem
    Writer (2): Henry Chadwick, Francis Richter

    Contributors Elected by Primary Team
    Chicago American Giants (NNL) (1): Rube Foster
    Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NA, NL) (1): AG Spalding
    Chicago White Sox (AL) (1): Charlie Comiskey
    Excelsior of Brooklyn (NAB) (1): Jim Creighton
    Kansas City Athletics (fka Philadelphia Athletics) (AL) (1): Connie Mack
    Los Angeles Dodgers (fka Brooklyn Dodgers, Superbas) (AA, NL) (1): Ned Hanlon
    Milwaukee Braves (fka Boston Braves, Beaneaters, Red Caps, Red Stockings) (NA, NL) (2): Frank Selee, Harry Wright
    New York Knickerbockers (NAB) (2): Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright
    New York Yankees (AL) (2): Miller Huggins, Joe McCarthy
    Philadelphia Phillies (fka Quakers) (NL) (1): Al Reach
    San Francisco Giants (fka New York Giants) (NL) (1): John McGraw
    St. Louis Cardinals (AA, NL) (1): Branch Rickey

    Contributors Elected by Year
    1925: Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Harry Wright, William Hulbert, Charlie Comiskey, Jim Creighton
    1930: Rube Foster, Connie Mack, AG Spalding
    1936: Ned Hanlon, Ban Johnson, John McGraw, Frank Selee
    1941: Miller Huggins, Bill Klem, Francis Richter, Ed Barrow
    1946: Al Reach, Branch Rickey
    1951: Kenesaw Landis, Joe McCarthy
    1956: Tom Connolly

    Miscellaneous Information
    - Highest Regular Election Percentage: Cap Anson, Luke Appling, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Charlie Gehringer, Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, Kid Nichols, Mel Ott, Tris Speaker, Arky Vaughan, Cy Young – 100%
    - Number of 1st Ballot Electees: 68
    - Most Years on Ballot Before Election: Cupid Childs, Addie Joss, Al Spalding – 15
    - Number of Players Elected After 10 Years on Ballot: 9
    - Number of Players Lasting 15 Years on Ballot without Election: 45
    - Number of Players Elected by Veterans Committee: 42
    - Highest Percentage Among Players Not Elected: 73.53% - Burleigh Grimes (1953)
    - Most Regular Election Electees in One Year: 5 (1901, 1907, 1942)
    - Fewest Regular Election Electees in One Year: 0 (1912, 1923, 1928, 1930, 1931, 1938, 1939, 1945, 1954)
    - Most Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 19 (1947)
    - Largest Ballot: 78 Players (1901)
    - Largest Post-1915 Ballot: 50 Players (1952)
    - Smallest Ballot: 23 Players (1918)
    - Most Votes Cast: 37 (1942)
    - Fewest Votes Cast: 20 (1901)
    - Team With Most Players Elected: San Francisco Giants - 16
    - Team With Second Most Players Elected: Chicago Cubs - 12
    - Electee with Longest Post-1871 Career: Satchel Paige, Smokey Joe Williams - 28
    - Electee with Shortest Post-1871 Career: Dickey Pearce – 8 Seasons
    - Members Elected as Both Players and Contributors: Al Spalding
    - Youngest Elected Player: Amos Rusie – Age 35
    - Oldest Elected Player: Joe Start – 78
    - Number of Posthumously Elected Players: 27
    - Number of Posthumously Elected Contributors: 16
    - Number of Living Hall of Famers: 68
    - Number of Deceased Hall of Famers: 106
    - Oldest Living Hall of Famer: Fred Clarke - Age 88
    - Deceased in Past Year: Mel Ott, Tris Speaker

    Number of Ballots Submitted in Past Elections
    Code:
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    1902: 24
    1903: 26
    1904: 25
    1905: 24
    1906: 23
    1907: 24
    1908: 25
    1909: 22
    1910: 25
    1911: 25
    1912: 23
    1913: 23
    1914: 26
    1915: 25
    1916: 25
    1917: 25
    1918: 24
    1919: 27
    1920: 26
    1921: 31
    1922: 28
    1923: 25
    1924: 29
    1925: 24
    1926: 25
    1927: 28
    1928: 27
    1929: 25
    1930: 25
    1931: 32
    1932: 24
    1933: 29
    1934: 28
    1935: 33
    1936: 32
    1937: 34
    1938: 30
    1939: 32
    1940: 34
    1941: 35
    1942: 37
    1943: 30
    1944: 27
    1945: 29
    1946: 27
    1947: 28
    1948: 26
    1949: 25
    1950: 34
    1951: 35
    1952: 31
    1953: 34
    1954: 32
    1955: 28
    1956: 27
    1957: 30
    Links to Past Elections
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  3. Bob Elliott should be listed as a 3B.

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    This is the first time I've voted full ballot in a few years:

    Wally Berger
    Harry Brecheen
    Tommy Bridges
    Lefty Gomez
    Tommy Henrich
    Bob Johnson
    Charlie Keller
    Chuck Klein
    Tony Lazzeri
    Ernie Lombardi
    Johnny Mize
    Bill Nicholson
    Dixie Walker
    Bucky Walters
    Lon Warneke

    I considered Dom DiMaggio, but passed on him and gave that vote to Bill Nicholson.
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  5. One minor mistake on the ballot. Bob Elliott is listed as a RFer even though he played 1365 of his 1978 career games at 3B. His last name also should have 2 ts.

    My ballot:

    Wally Berger--I supported Hack Wilson and don't see a significant split between the 2 of them.
    Harry Brecheen
    Dom DiMaggio
    Lefty Gomez--He has enough meat to add to his peak years to push him over the top, IMO.
    Bob Elliott--His career compares favorably to Pie Traynor who is over the hump for me.
    Bob Johnson--On par with several members of our HOF.
    Charlie Keller--I can accept war credit for a guy who came back at the top of his game then suffered a career changing injury.
    Tony Lazzeri--Compares favorably to Larry Doyle who we elected.
    Johnny Mize--duh!

    See posts 34-48 here for why I ultimately included both Brecheen and DiMaggio on my ballot:

    http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...t=92596&page=2

    As for Tommy Bridges and Bucky Walters, I would be more comfortable pulling the trigger on them if both Lefty Gomez and Urban Shocker weren't on the outside looking in. Gomez is about as far as I'm willing to stretch at this point.

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  7. Here are some basics on Bob Elliott:
    • An above average defensive third baseman, with a B- in DWS.
    • In the company of Pie Traynor and Frank Baker all time offensively.
    • Won the NL MVP in 1947
    • 8 time all star (7 different years)
    • 111 Gray Ink which is on par with a HOF third baseman
    • 124 Career OPS+
    • Topped 130 in OPS+ 6 times not including his rookie year
    • Best 3 WS 29-27-27
    • Best 5 WS 29-27-27-27-25
    • CWS 287
    • Best 3 WARP3 9.9-8.2-7.1
    • Best 5 WARP3 9.9-8.2-7.1-6.8-5.5
    • 66.3 WARP3
    • .440 SLG is the highest of any retired third baseman through 1958
    • Only the second third baseman to drive in 100 or more RBIs 5 times.

    There are currently only nine third basemen listed in our HOF:

    Frank Baker
    John Beckwith
    Jimmy Collins
    Heinie Groh
    Stan Hack
    Tommy Leach
    Ezra Sutton
    Pie Traynor
    Jud Wilson

    Bob Elliott compares favorably to all of the MLB third basemen (I don't have WARP info on Wilson and Beckwith):

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    Stan Hack         74.4   9.1--8.1--7.6--6.7--6.2
    Frank Baker       69.8   9.7--9.8--7.7--7.7--7.3
    Heinie Groh       68.8   9.0--8.6--8.5--7.7--7.2
    Jimmy Collins     68.7   8.5--7.9--7.9--7.8--6.9
    Bob Elliott       66.3   9.9--8.2--7.1--6.8--5.5
    Pie Traynor       63.9   7.5--6.4--5.7--5.7--5.7
    Tommy Leach       60.0   7.5--6.7--6.3--5.1--5.0
    Ezra Sutton*      43.6   7.7--6.6--5.6--3.8--3.7
    
    * Ezra Sutton played prior to 1871.
    Bob Elliott definitely fits well with what we have established through 58 elections as a standard for third basemen. Elliott's best 3 outrank any MLB third baseman we have elected to date and he has both the career value and peak value for a third baseman. He deserves a lot more support than he has gotten early on in this election (perhaps listing him accidentally as a RFer is hurting his case for those who rely solely on traditional stats and OPS+?).
    Last edited by jjpm74; 08-17-2009 at 03:42 PM.

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    The case for DiMaggio:

    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Dom DiMaggio:
    • Missed 3 full seasons to WWII service.
    • 7 Time All Star
    • All time great defensive CF with an A+ DWS.
    • Best 3: 28 26 26
    • Best 5: 28 26 26 24 21
    • 1942 Had 28 win shares. Had 26 win shares on his return in 1946 suggesting his 3 missed seasons probably give him 75 additional win shares and 295 for his career.
    • WARP3 gives him 7 all star level seasons not counting the 3 seasons he missed. Giving him a modest adjustment for those 3 missed years gives him a career WARP3 of around 70. He also had 2 seasons (1942 and 1946) that were bordering on MVP level seasons.

    Factoring in WWII service, Dom DiMaggio was a 10 time all star with a good enough peak and excellent defensive ability. These factors are good enough for him to become a permanent fixture on my ballot next year despite his 111 OPS+.
    Quote Originally Posted by Domenic View Post
    Considering that the PCL was all but a second major league in the 1930s, I believe that DiMaggio deserves some credit for his three full seasons there, as well:

    473 G, 123 2B, 34 3B, 24 HR, .326 BA, .471 SLG

    This should be re-posted for the next election, as it is very good information. I feel like Dom DiMaggio is criminally underrated, and I think that he should fit comfortably within our established levels.
    This is an actual case of the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Bob Elliott definitely fits well with what we have established through 58 elections as a standard for third basemen. Elliott's best 3 outrank any MLB third baseman we have elected to date and he has both the career value and peak value for a third baseman. He deserves a lot more support than he has gotten early on in this election (perhaps listing him accidentally as a RFer is hurting his case for those who rely solely on traditional stats and OPS+?).
    Elliott's just really an obscure player, for as good as he was. It doesn't suprise me that he would struggle for support here. He maxed out at 2 votes in the real HoF elections, and that was just 9 years after his last All-Star appearance and 13 years after his MVP season.

    For whatever reason (probably the fact that he played with the Pirates and Braves was a chief reason), he faded into history pretty quickly. He's also the kind of player with nothing really for a traditional HoF case to hang it's hat on. He wasn't a career .300 hitter, wasn't known as a defensive whiz like Traynor, he didn't have top notch counting stats in any category, he made the World Series just once, and he never led the league in anything but BB's.

    That's a very good case for him, jjpm74.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by mwiggins View Post
    For whatever reason (probably the fact that he played with the Pirates and Braves was a chief reason), he faded into history pretty quickly. He's also the kind of player with nothing really for a traditional HoF case to hang it's hat on. He wasn't a career .300 hitter, wasn't known as a defensive whiz like Traynor, he didn't have top notch counting stats in any category, he made the World Series just once, and he never led the league in anything but BB's.
    I think that he also might have struggled so much in NBHoFM elections because Eddie Mathews immediately succeeded him at 3B for the Braves (obviously I'm going out of context here).

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    Bob Elliott, between 1942 and 1951, had a consistent and very good streak of seasons (including an MVP) that, to me, stack up very well against our current HOF 3B. Also, check out that groovy BB total in 1948.

    Eddie Stanky is also an interesting candidate to me. Admittedly, I didn't vote for him, but I'd be surprised if he didn't snag at least a couple votes.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Here are some basics on Bob Elliott:
    • In the company of Pie Traynor and Frank Baker all time offensively.

    I'm with you on Elliott, but I don't get why you would make the above comp. Traynor, Elliott and Baker are NOWHERE NEAR each other as offensive players.


    OPS+
    Baker - 136
    Elliott - 124
    Traynor - 107

    Baker is a much better offensive player than Elliot, and Elliot is a MUCH, MUCH better offensive player than Traynor, who was not all that much above average. He didn't walk, had little power, and just had a very high batting averge in a high batting average era.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Bob Elliott compares favorably to all of the MLB third basemen (I don't have WARP info on Wilson and Beckwith):

    Code:
    Player           WARP3            Best 5        
    
    Stan Hack         74.4   9.1--8.1--7.6--6.7--6.2
    Frank Baker       69.8   9.7--9.8--7.7--7.7--7.3
    Heinie Groh       68.8   9.0--8.6--8.5--7.7--7.2
    Jimmy Collins     68.7   8.5--7.9--7.9--7.8--6.9
    Bob Elliott       66.3   9.9--8.2--7.1--6.8--5.5
    Pie Traynor       63.9   7.5--6.4--5.7--5.7--5.7
    Tommy Leach       60.0   7.5--6.7--6.3--5.1--5.0
    Ezra Sutton*      43.6   7.7--6.6--5.6--3.8--3.7
    
    * Ezra Sutton played prior to 1871.
    Bob Elliott definitely fits well with what we have established through 58 elections as a standard for third basemen. Elliott's best 3 outrank any MLB third baseman we have elected to date
    This statement is incorrect.

    Baker's top 3 years total 27.2, Groh's top 3 years total 26.1, Elliott's top 3 years total 25.2.
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  16. Wally Berger
    Tommy Bridges
    Bob Elliott
    Lefty Gomez
    Bob Johnson
    Chuck Klein
    Tony Lazzeri
    Ernie Lombardi
    Heinie Manush
    Johnny Mize
    Bobo Newsom
    Dixie Walker
    Bucky Walters
    Lloyd Waner
    Lon Warneke


    1. Johnny Mize
    2. Chuck Klein
    3. Bob Johnson
    4. Ernie Lombardi
    5. Bob Elliott
    6. Heinie Manush
    7. Lefty Gomez
    8. Tony Lazzeri
    9. Bucky Walters
    10. Tommy Bridges
    11. Lon Warneke
    12. Dixie Walker
    13. Wally Berger
    14. Bobo Newsom
    15. Lloyd Waner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senor Octobre View Post
    Eddie Stanky is also an interesting candidate to me. Admittedly, I didn't vote for him, but I'd be surprised if he didn't snag at least a couple votes.
    Durocher on Stanky..."He can't run, he can't hit, he can't throw, he can't do anything. But what a ballplayer! I wouldn't give him for any second baseman in the league. Any two second basemen!"

  18. Wally Berger
    Tommy Bridges
    Bob Elliott
    Bob Johnson
    Chuck Klein
    Tony Lazzeri
    Ernie Lombardi
    Heinie Manush
    Johnny Mize
    Hal Trosky
    Bucky Walters
    Lon Warneke

    I will be voting for Buddy Myer next election.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by SavoyBG View Post
    I'm with you on Elliott, but I don't get why you would make the above comp. Traynor, Elliott and Baker are NOWHERE NEAR each other as offensive players.


    OPS+
    Baker - 136
    Elliott - 124
    Traynor - 107

    Baker is a much better offensive player than Elliot, and Elliot is a MUCH, MUCH better offensive player than Traynor, who was not all that much above average. He didn't walk, had little power, and just had a very high batting averge in a high batting average era.
    I agree that Elliott is light years ahead of Traynor. I only made the comparison because at the time Elliott retired, he was being compared to Pie Traynor who at the time was considered (way overrated) the best third baseman in the history of the game. That said, I think Elliott is at worst middle of the pack of the third basemen we have elected. He definitely isn't borderline, IMO and I'm a little surprised that I even have to champion his cause. He was much better than several third basemen we elected.
    Last edited by jjpm74; 08-18-2009 at 12:36 AM.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by mwiggins View Post
    Durocher on Stanky..."He can't run, he can't hit, he can't throw, he can't do anything. But what a ballplayer! I wouldn't give him for any second baseman in the league. Any two second basemen!"
    With a name like Stanky, I hope he sticks around a few years.

  21. Bridges
    Elliot
    Mize
    Myer
    Walters

    I had a moment's pause with Elliot b/c even though he was 1947 MVP he played through the war. But a look at his numbers shows that he was just as good before, during and after the war, just a top flight ballplayer for a good decade.

    I'm not sure I see that great a difference between Warnecke and Gomez. Warnecke has a 119 ERA+ in 2782 IP while Gomez is 125+ in 2503 IP but Warnecke has a 3.18 ERA (NL as a regular 32-42) v. Gomez' 3.34 (AL 31-41). I think that may be screwy b/c I would think the original Yankee Stadium being the greatest pitcher's park of all time for LHP. Though I haven't looked at the league ERAs. Anyway W-L is Warnecke 192-121 v. Gomez 189-102 (with probably the greatest dynasty of all-time). Gomez is 6-0 in the WS with a 2.86 ERA while Warnecke is 2-1 with a 2.63 ERA (getting shelled v. NYY in '32 but 2-0 w/ 0.54 ERA v. Det in '35). I think I'll put Warnecke back on my ballot next year.

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    --Gomez had the more favorable park, but offensive levels in the AL were significantly higher than the NL in the 1930s. Their ERA+ are reflective of that. Gomez had some excellent defenses behind him in the later part of his career, but not so much in the front.
    --Gomez is a VERY borderline candidate for me. Kind of a dark gray to Warneke's light gray. I am comfortable drawing the line between them, but for anyone who thinks Gomez is a clear cut Hall of Famer then Warneke ought to be at least close to being on their ballot. And Tommy Bridges is better than both - more IP and higher ERA+ in both cases.
    --Of pitchers on this ballot I've got it like this;
    Bridges
    Gomez
    Walters
    Warneke
    --The line could be anywhere from above all of them to below all of them or anywhere in the middle.

  23. I'm pretty much on board with you Leece, I'd just put Gomez 4 and Warnecke 3.

  24. Boy, we sure do have different opinions!

    When I think about the HOF I try to envision it with a number of players similar to what exists in the Cooperstown HOF. That COULD imply about 20 or so players at each position, plus 70- 80 pitchers. Of course, greatness isn't necessarily distributed perfectly evenly by position, but I consider this to be a useful guideline.

    So, if a position player is in MY list of top 15 at his position, he's a no-brainer for me. If he's in my 15-25 spots he merits very careful scrutiny. For pitchers, top 50- no brainers. 51-100 on my list, think hard about it.

    My list is pretty short:
    1. Johnny Mize- one of the 40 greatest position players of all time, in my opinion- giving some credit for WW2 years.
    2. Bob Elliott- borderline, but he's definitely one of the top 20 3Bers, possibly around top 15.
    3. Lon Warnecke

    Very difficult for me to draw the line on pitchers here. Bridges probably would be next for me but for now I'm not voting for him. Gomez, Walter- they're all close.

    I also admire Wally Berger, but he doesn't quite make my cutoff. Another 2 years of good performance and I probably would vote for him. Right now I don't have him among my top 15 CFers.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by BigRon View Post
    Boy, we sure do have different opinions!

    When I think about the HOF I try to envision it with a number of players similar to what exists in the Cooperstown HOF. That COULD imply about 20 or so players at each position, plus 70- 80 pitchers. Of course, greatness isn't necessarily distributed perfectly evenly by position, but I consider this to be a useful guideline.

    So, if a position player is in MY list of top 15 at his position, he's a no-brainer for me. If he's in my 15-25 spots he merits very careful scrutiny. For pitchers, top 50- no brainers. 51-100 on my list, think hard about it.

    My list is pretty short:
    1. Johnny Mize- one of the 40 greatest position players of all time, in my opinion- giving some credit for WW2 years.
    2. Bob Elliott- borderline, but he's definitely one of the top 20 3Bers, possibly around top 15.
    3. Lon Warnecke

    Very difficult for me to draw the line on pitchers here. Bridges probably would be next for me but for now I'm not voting for him. Gomez, Walter- they're all close.

    I also admire Wally Berger, but he doesn't quite make my cutoff. Another 2 years of good performance and I probably would vote for him. Right now I don't have him among my top 15 CFers.
    Couple of things that I'm not sure you're aware of:

    1) For the purposes of this project, we are to do our best to pretend that Cooperstown does not exist. For our purposes, the only Hall of Fame is this one, and it's standards are the basis by which we judge.

    2) I don't know how the lists you mention are constructed, but for purposes of this project, the game's history only up through the year of the current election is to be considered. So when you say your top 15, does that mean top 15 circa 2009, or top 15 circa 1958?

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