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Reply With QuoteGus Bell & Buddy Bell?Originally Posted by ipitch
What is the biggest gap in talent between a baseball-playing father and son? For example, if Babe Ruth had a son and he struggled in his only season of single-A ball, that would be about the biggest gap in talent possible. I'd only like to consider sons (or fathers) that at least made it to the minors because those that didn't might not have even desired to play baseball, or had disabilities, etc.
Also, what is the smallest gap in talent between a MLB father and son (minimum 5 years in MLB for each)?
Gus Bell & Buddy Bell?
Yogi & Dale Berra
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Last edited by ItsOnlyGil; 09-06-2009 at 01:45 PM.
Pete Rose jr. Rose wasn't the most naturally talented player, but still.
Also, didn't Nolan Ryan's sons Reid and Reece attempt to play pro ball?
Last edited by jnakamura; 09-06-2009 at 01:37 PM.
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Smallest gap: the Schofields.
Dick Sr: 1321 G, 3545 PA, 227/317/297, 73 OPS+
Dick Jr: 1368 G, 4928 PA, 230/308/316, 73 OPS+
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Most significant talent gap: Eddie Collins Sr./Eddie Collins Jr.
Sr.: 141 OPS+ through 9949 ABs
Jr.: 61 OPS+ through 336 ABs
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Ed Walsh Sr./Ed Walsh Jr.
Sr.: 146 OPS+ through 2964.1 IP
Jr.: 78 OPS+ though 331.0 IP
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Roger Clemens and his kid Kory, or Kody, or whatever his name is.
White Sox announcer Harry Caray- "Jimmy, I saw Stan Musial hit five home runs in a doubleheader".
White Sox announcer Jimmy Piersall-"So what? I had nine kids."
Ted Williams & John Henry Williams
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Did John Henry play professional ball? Teddy Ballgame had John Henry late in life didn't he?
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Mickey Mantle and Mickey Mantle, Jr.
Ken Griffey Sr. and Ken Griffey Jr. once hit back-to-back home runs as a father/son duo. First and last time that will ever happen I'm sure!
Thanks for the answers, y'all.
Gotta be.
Sr., 118 OPS+, 3500+ games, 547 WS, 106.4 WARP3
Jr., 6 OPS+, 11 games, 0 WS, -0.4 WARP3
Barry & Bobby Bonds both have legit HOF claims.
But Sandy Alomar Jr. & Sr. are only 5 Win Shares apart.
Last edited by dgarza; 09-07-2009 at 01:20 AM.
Dolph Camilli and Doug Camilli. Big gap.
Hank Greenberg and Steve Greenberg (Steve made it to AAA - never to the majors)
Bob Skinner and Joel Skinner.
Oops - according to your rules, both players have to have five MLB seasons. I guess if the guy never made the bigs at all it's generally obvious.
But Dolph and Doug Camilli fit the quals.
Mickey Mantle's son, who I mentioned above, struggled in his only season of single-A ball, while Mantle was one of the five or ten greatest players of all time. This has to be game over in deciding the biggest gap in talent. The rest seems to me to be just thinking of names.
Mantle Jr. batted .070, which was 70 percentage points higher than John Henry Williams. Williams did bat .149 in 27 games of independant league ball, which may or not put over Mantle.
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George and Dave Sisler.
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Carl Yastrzemski's son, Mike, didn't fare too well in the minors.
John Henry Williams tried out with an MLB team, but didn't make it past spring training. He passed from leukemia shortly after that.
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Pete Jr. was really just a AA ball player. Any prospect can have bad stats in few games, but when little Pete came up for his cup of coffee, the Reds' management made no pretense at all that he would have been there had his name been Herman Hoglebogle, or even Ed Armbrister, Jr. or Jack Billingham, Jr.
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At the time, the Reds had Eduardo Perez, Pedro Borbon Jr, and I believe a couple of others whose fathers had also played in Cincy. That was pre-George Kenneth Griffey coming back to his hometown.
RIP Tom Tresh. Detroiter. Chippewa. Yankee. Good man.
RIP George Kell. Batting Champ. Champ Broadcaster. HOFer. Good man.
RIP Mark Fidrych. The first player I actively followed.
Pigskin Fever, though, lives. http://www.pigskin-fever.com/ Come help make it as good as its sister site.
I rank Mantle Sr. ahead of Teddy, and when the careers of Mantle Jr. and John Henry are so short, to me, it makes logical sense to say that Mick's edge is greater than Mantle Jr's, assuming Mantle Jr. has an edge. However, I had difficulty locating John Henry in a search on Baseball Reference, even though the data is there in a direct search through the minor league database, and thus I wasn't sure if John Henry even qualified for the discussion. Hence my earlier comment.
Reid Ryan pitched two minor league seasons in A and A+ ball. His first season he went 5-5 with a 2.89 ERA and his second season he went 0-10 with a 9.34 ERA.
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