The instant I watched the clip for the first time, particularly the frames I mentioned, it reminded me of "you know who's" clip, on a website so taboo that it can't even be mentioned here, of Al Mcguiness (sp?) unleashing his slap shot.
Recall how there was a poster questioning "you know who's" contention because the rear skate was going backwards.
Matches up very well with this Pujols clip don't you think?
Imagine a hockey stick coming down for a slap shot just before the back heel comes up.
Very insightful FiveFrameSwing and HYP. You guys are good. It makes sense when you folks describe the actions. Thank you.
Read this post over and over again. You might actually learn something.
Then, go outside and apply what HYP is talking about to your own swing. Try to feel what you or someone else is talking about for just once.
From reading your descriptions in this thread and that fantastic one liner last night, you actually need more work than many here.
As for other folks doing things wrong ... we can't control that. All we can do is attempt to be helpful. If folks persist in doing things wrong then that is outside of our control.
I knew there were people out there who believe this, but I never thought I'd interact with one.
Needless to say, our paradigms are incommensurable.
I'll just leave it at that.
Last edited by Chris O'Leary; 09-30-2009 at 11:59 AM.
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What Hyp speaks of ("As has been stated the hip moves as a unit") is well explain in Jim Dixon's book. In fact, Jim does this in a very simple and easy to understand manner. It's a great book ... and in my opinion it's well worth the $25 investment. I think you'll look at the swing differently after you read the book.
Got to go to lunch with my wife but I'll leave you with this. Study his lead foot in frames 29 through 33. Tell me what you see. Why is his toe on his front foot coming off the ground? why does it appear that the lead hip moving rearward is pulling him onto the heel of his front foot. Wouldn't it make sense if he was pushing back with that lead leg his foot would be more on the balls of his foot or at least stay flat.
Oh my. Go swing a bat and try it out.
Apply something for once in your life.
I've already told you how to move it.
Now go try it.
Here's what I see...
1. The hips stop translating forward toward the pitcher in Frame 20, so that is clearly where the sideways push stops. From that point on, the hips just rotate. I put a carat marker on the front hip to mark indicate this.
2. In Frame 20 the hips are still closed, so it's not the sideways push that causes them to rotate. Something else does.
3. You don't see his cleats until Frame 28, at which point his front knee is starting to extend. It is very easy to see that, because of the angles involved at that moment, this would roll him onto the outside of his front foot. This is also the result of a rotational force that is being generated in the core.
4. Some force causes his ankle to roll between Frame 23 and Frame 24. We know that force isn't the sideways push of the back foot and it isn't momentum, because his hips don't translate and farther and the rolling of the ankle would have been visible one frame sooner. Something happened -- some muscle group fired -- in Frame 23 when his front heel planted.
The bottom line is that you need to work with higher-quality clips if you want to come up with the correct answer.
P.S. I'll see if a 3BL view shows this more clearly.
Last edited by Chris O'Leary; 09-30-2009 at 01:27 PM.
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You guys are all missing the point. The hands determine where and when the back hip fires.
The eyes tell the hands which tells the hip where to fire the hip at.
Chris, this is more like it. I like this search for truth.
Regarding pt #2 ... IMO there is some hip rotation (what I believe you refer to as hip rotation) occuring between frames 19 & 20. We can disagree ... but that's what I see.
From your comment in #1 it looks like you are differentiating between a "sideways push" and a "thrust". The question ... and I think you know what I'm asking ... is what action, as close to the exact muscle group or area of the body, is initiating this shift, thrust, or if you prefer rotation that begins around frame #19?
I think you earlier said the backside. That's good ... now let's home in on it. I think you may have guessed the rear foot, and while I can understand why one may think of that as the answer, I think it merits more research.
I'm not so sure about your comment about the sideways push stopping. Just because the frontside is effectively blocking forward movement doesn't mean pushing has ceased ... in fact, isn't it possible that there is a push still to come? Perhaps a push that is intensified? Maybe a push that is short yet powerful? Perhaps even a push that energizes the entire swing ... maybe even serving as a main source of force generation? Couldn't the blocking process be efficient enough to cease forward movement? Perhaps instead of forward movement there might be some rotational movement?
Last edited by FiveFrameSwing; 09-30-2009 at 01:49 PM.