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Reply With QuoteMLB swing is an image, unreal without timing if the swing is to be about a ball. A swing can be seen but timing is invisible. Will you teach the timing first, last, or when; and how?
Sean I see you have returned...
There has been much discussion on Natural Hitting in your absence.
Several thoughts:
1. Many fee we over-complicate hitting, especially with youth hitters.
2. Too many have re-packaged the basics further complicating how we teach versus simplifying what it is we should teach.
3. Teaching a "MLB swing" to youngsters is problematic.
Thoughts??
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MLB swing is an image, unreal without timing if the swing is to be about a ball. A swing can be seen but timing is invisible. Will you teach the timing first, last, or when; and how?
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Jake, Great questions.Originally Posted by Jake Patterson
1. Hitting has been made way too complicated. We tend to break down every little intricate movement and make these movements and places of our body parts (knees, feet, hips, elbows, hands, shoulders etc) the most important parts of the swing. I have found that if one can teach a simple movement of the whole body then the parts we tend to watch will fall into place.
2. Re-packaged mechanics with different words has been going on for years. Hey my father and I even did that ourselves for years. What we teach need to be simple and what is more simple than Spinning?
3. Teach the MLB swing is problematic if we teach the swing as a set of mechanics of moving parts of the body and moving these parts to the right Place and the right time. We need to be about teaching how to move the whole body. If you teach moving the whole body in a simple movement that any body at any age can do, then you can produce the look everybody is looking for. But it is in the understanding of what movement and what causes that movement that we should be about.
This is what I teach. 2 simple movements unrelated to hitting Spinning is one. The other is Torso to the side. But when these two movements are put together the player gets the movement of the MLB. I teach how to think and what to think in order to perform these two movements. It's so simple a Caveman can do it.
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Great question, Timing is crucial at all levels of play. If not more crucial when the players reach the age of 12 and beyond. They will tend to see more off speed pitches because pitchers are afraid of throwing the fastball because they can't throw it very hard.
Timing is invisible, but it is also built into Natural Movement. If we are to move our body in a Natural way and that movement produces the swing then the timing is all involved in the movement of how fast or slow to work that movement to produce the swing at the right time.
Timing the pitch is built in what I teach, and is the best timing that I have ever seen. As an hitter myself I find that I wish I had this timing and Natural Movement when I was in college. I would not be talking here but playing in the MLs.
Most players have a real hard time with timing because they are mainly swinging the bat with their arms as being the predominate power creator. They are left up to deciding when to swing the bat with the arms, which produces a slower reaction time than most believe. That is why most of the swings that you see are late or early swings.
Late swings are those were the player decided to swing too late so they get fowl balls, swing and misses, dribblers in the infield, or popups.
Early swings are those were the player commits the hands and arms to soon they get a wave a the pitch where most of the body has gone to the front foot, bending over on the low pitches, no power on contact, and many others.
To correct these problems of timing for all is to change "What swings the bat" Instead of swinging with the arms Change to moving the Torso and let the Torso swing the arms and bat.
Sometimes a swing is made to seem a batch of parts or specimens to be assembled and controlled by a dictator, rather than a flow process coordinated by a body prepared by Evolution for the job.
Coordination is the right medicine. Everybody is born with some. Introduce the essentials and conditions. Let Nature run with it.
Last edited by virg; 10-01-2009 at 07:05 AM.
Is this an assumption on your part or do you have actual students that you've worked with. Do you have any 'before' and 'after' video clips? Even having 'after' clips would be helpful. I'd like to see what students look like after going through your program.
FFS,
Sean posted this yesterday. I am back and hard at it, working on videos for you-tube for you all to see some more explanations. I have started the videos and found that I have a technical problem with my microphone, so it is going to take longer than I taught.
EL
Great. Look forward to that video.
I get a little concerned when someone states that they teach "spinning". But I have enough respect for Dixon's work to be open minded enough to try and understand what is being advocated.
p.s.
Erik … I can’t find evidence of a single person trained by Sean.
Has me wondering if his training approach is new and untested.
Heard a friend the other day call it spin hitting.
drill
Yogi Berra was asked by a reporter "How do you catch a knuckle ball?" He came right back and said "When it stops rolling"
"Spin hitting"?
What Sean is advocating is "spin"?
Why not buy the DVDs and find out or just stop talking about it? If you can't afford them, set aside some money over the next several months until you can instead of passing judgment on information you have no knowledge of.
Have you found Sean's "spin" drills to help your hitters improve?
Do you have any evidence of his drills helping any student improve?
Who are you asking?
I was asking you ... but if ANYONE has had success with Sean's "spin" drills then I'd like to learn of their perceived value.
I have no knowledge of Sean's drills and therefore can't comment on them. I don't think it fair to cast negatively on them when they are unknown to you. Others have them but won't speak about them out of respect for Sean's work. So I'm asking that you either purchase and review the material or leave the subject alone.
He’s been advertising here and elsewhere for a few weeks. I would think by now that someone has purchased his material and found it useful. So far it has been referred to as “spin hitting”. I wouldn’t be so quick to jump on the notion that this is a ‘negative’. It depends on the context in which Sean is advocating that a hitter “spin”.
I may have the intent of this thread incorrect. I believe Jake started this thread for others to become more familiar with Sean’s work. Otherwise it was a pure commercial … and Jake wouldn’t do that.
So, let's hear it ... do we have any posters here that have purchased Sean's DVDs and found them helpful?
Last edited by FiveFrameSwing; 10-03-2009 at 12:40 PM.
To me the word "spin" is no worse or better than "rotation". What matters is what the person means by that word.
You are making this hard on me and the rest of the readers. Jake started the thread and asked some general questions on Sean's take that appear to be directed at Sean's years of experience rather the actual content of his DVD. See e.g.:
AndI would think by now that someone has purchased his material and found it useful.
Isn't your tactic here disingenuous in light of the fact that Drill said he purchased and got value out of the DVD'ss and RayR indicated to you that he would not divulge the information in Sean's DVD's after your incessant request to reveal same? I would ask that you not engage this way. It only servers to derail threads.So, let's here it ... do we have any posters here that have purchased Sean's DVDs and found them helpful?
This is what I teach. 2 simple movements unrelated to hitting Spinning is one. The other is Torso to the side. But when these two movements are put together the player gets the movement of the MLB. I teach how to think and what to think in order to perform these two movements. It's so simple a Caveman can do it.
Is it simple enough a Caveman can teach it to his son?
Thanks.
Exactly. If one wants to know what it means, buy the material and seek followup with the presenter if necessary. Very good point, Thx.
Agree ... there are many instructors that won't use the word "rotation" because they believe it presents the wrong image and gives the student the wrong goal.
I'd also be interested to know what he refers to as "spin".Is it simple enough a Caveman can teach it to his son?
Thanks.
4for4 .... not asking for the crown jewels to Sean's work ... I'm asking for something credibility. Do you know if Sean has trained students using the techniques he's advocating?
Last edited by FiveFrameSwing; 10-03-2009 at 01:07 PM.
Hmm ... if the information could be shown to be credible then I'd buy the material in a heart beat. I'd do so even if someone described what they believed to be the juicy details of his material. Why? Because if the information truly has value then I'd rather review it first-hand and not miss information that takes place through second-hand information.
The question from my vantage point is if his information is credible. This is why I'd like to know if anyone has ever been trained with the techniques he's recommending?
I understand. I really do. But remember, he's put years into it and he believes it has value and has asked that the house not be given away.
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